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Jenn’s Recurrent Melanoma Story

Jenn’s Recurrent Melanoma Story

Jenn, a recent college graduate, scored her dream job working for the Chicago Cubs. Years earlier, she had taken a health class that led her to learn the ABCDEs and warning signs of skin cancer. Then in 2014, she noticed an abnormal mole that matched 3 out of 5 of the ABCDEs of skin cancer. She visited a dermatologist that confirmed she had stage 1B melanoma

Living by herself in Chicago hours away from family made recovering from her diagnosis difficult, so Jenn made the tough decision to leave her dream job, move back to her small town, and live with her parents. It was here that she discovered the burden her cancer diagnosis and recent life transitions had on her mental health which led her to seek help from a therapist. 

After being cancer-free for 5 years, Jenn’s mental health was again negatively impacted by the effects of the pandemic. About a year after lockdowns began, Jenn had her second melanoma diagnosis which would be the first of 3 recurrences in 11 months. 

Now a year cancer-free, Jenn shares her recurrent melanoma story with us, including how she worked on her mental health, what her experience with scanxiety has been like, making life-changing decisions after a cancer diagnosis, and her advice for those on their own cancer journeys.

Jenn shares her symptoms and treatment for melanoma
  • Name: Jenn S.
  • Diagnosis (DX):
  • Staging: 
    • 2x Stage 1B 
    • 2x Stage 0
  • Symptoms:
    • Atypical mole on the shoulder
      • Asymmetrical 
      • Multiple colors
      • Larger than the size of a pencil eraser
  • Treatment:

Try to change that perspective of, I’m lost and I don’t know who I am anymore, into this idea that you get to find out who you are now. Have fun exploring and trying new things and seeing what you love. You’re getting to know yourself all over again.

Jenn S.

This interview has been edited for clarity. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider for treatment decisions.


Symptoms

Tell us about yourself

My name is Jenn and I am originally from a smallish town in western Wisconsin, but I currently live in Saint Paul, Minnesota. 

I grew up in a family that absolutely loves sports, so I ended up going to college for sports. I didn’t play, but I got my degree in sports communication and then went on and got my master’s in sports management. When my first job outside of college was with the Chicago Cubs, it was a pinch-me moment. I’ve worked for 4 professional sports teams, including winning a WNBA championship with the Minnesota Lynx. 

It was this random general education class that I took when I was in college that may have ended up saving my life.

Concordia is Jenn's alma mater

Today I am the director of marketing at a small financial planning firm here in the Twin Cities. I also teach part-time in our communications department at my alma mater, Concordia University Saint Paul. 

I am a huge advocate of animal rescue, including having my own rescue, Xena The Warrior Kitty. I used to love doing fun runs and 5Ks and I just started getting back into it between my first and second melanoma diagnosis, but it got really hard to keep up with during the ongoing surgeries. That’s something I’ve been feeling really called to try to get back into, so hopefully soon. 

Lastly, I really love to read and write. I have for as long as I can remember. I wrote my first book when I was in second grade, one of those fill-in-the-blank hardcover books that they give you. Writing has really become a big part of my healing process and processing everything I’ve gone through with cancer.

How did you know the warning signs of skin cancer? 
A college health class helped Jenn know the warning signs of skin cancer

It was this random general education class that I took when I was in college that may have ended up saving my life. As part of our general education requirements, we had to choose a physical education class and I ended up taking a general health class. As part of that curriculum, we were each assigned to do a research project and report on a different illness or disease. Mine ended up being skin cancer, something that I knew nothing about. 

I learned the different types of skin cancer and the warning signs. What really stuck with me were the ABCDEs of melanoma. That really came full circle. 

What were your first symptoms? 

It was a dark, chocolatey brown on one half and even darker brown on the other half. Right in the middle, there was a black dot, so the color was very unique.

A few years later, I was living in Chicago, I was working for the Cubs, and it was late 2014. At some point, I started to notice that there was a mole on my right shoulder that just didn’t sit right with me. I didn’t know how long it had been there. I knew it hadn’t always been there, otherwise, I wouldn’t all of a sudden be noticing it. I can’t trace back to when it first appeared. The first picture I remember seeing it in was around July of that year when I went back later and looked. 

Jenn first noticed her new mole in 2014

As far as the ABCDEs go, it was the color that really stood out, and it was asymmetrical and the diameter. It was a dark, chocolatey brown on one half and even darker brown on the other half. Right in the middle, there was a black dot, so the color was very unique. If you drew a line down the center, it didn’t match, and it was larger than the size of a pencil eraser, which is 3 of the 5 things that you look for when it comes to melanoma. That was in late 2014. 

I went home for the holidays and I showed it to my mom. Of course, she was trying to be reassuring, and she said, “I’m sure it’s nothing, but you should definitely make an appointment with a dermatologist. If nothing else, you’ll get peace of mind.” 

Making an appointment with the dermatologist 

When I got back to Chicago, I got an appointment very fast. Maybe it was because of the holidays, because these days the dermatology wait is probably 6 months to get in and see somebody. But I was able to get in within a week. It was the first Tuesday of January. I went in and met with the dermatologist. He looked at the mole, put his hand on my shoulder, and said, “Thank you for coming in and showing me this.” My heart just sank. His reaction was very sobering. In a way, I think it helped to prepare me. 

You’re never prepared to hear the words “You have cancer” but I knew that it was serious and it was a good thing I had come in when I did. I would tell anyone if you see something, if you have any doubts, trust your gut and make the appointment. Worst case scenario, it’s nothing, and that’s what you would hope for. 

Jenn's dermatologist indicated her mole was serious
Getting a biopsy and awaiting the results

When I left the appointment that day, they did a shave biopsy and sent it down to pathology, and told me I would probably hear from them in the middle of the following week. If I didn’t hear from them by that following Friday, give them a call. 

Jenn had a shave biopsy for her mole

Less than a week later, on Monday, I was at work, sitting at my cubicle in our office, and got a phone call and didn’t recognize the number. I let it go to voicemail and then saw that it was from my doctor and I was not expecting to hear from them that soon. I excused myself to the hallway to give them a callback. The specific clinic that I went to in Chicago has a screening process. When you call, you tell them who they are, who you are, and who you’re calling to speak to, and they’ll put you on hold while they pull up your records and look to see if they need to get somebody right away. It was also the end of the day, 4:30 in the afternoon, so nurses and doctors were probably getting ready to leave, finishing up their last appointment. 

Diagnosis

The doctor came back on and he’s like, “I’m sorry to tell you this. It’s cancer.” I remember nothing else from the phone call after that.

Jenn was diagnosed with stage 1b melanoma
What did the doctors say?

She put me on hold and she came back and said, “Jennifer, they want to speak to you right away. I’m going to put you through to the doctor.” It was another one of those moments where my heart just sank. I remember so vividly, I was outside the elevator bank, and one of my co-workers was coming off the elevator. I smiled at him like everything was fine, and inside I’m just like, this is going to change everything. The doctor came back on and he’s like, “I’m sorry to tell you this. It’s cancer.” I remember nothing else from the phone call after that. 

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Jenn left work early after discovering she had cancer

I texted my boss. He was aware of the situation, so knew I would be hearing something new, that I’d had the appointment the week before. I texted him and let him know I’m going to be leaving a little bit early. Once a week, we work late and it was my day to work late. He’s like, “Don’t worry, we’ll cover it.” Immediately after texting him, I called my mom and it was calling her and having to say those words out loud that really made it real for the first time.

Being alone through a cancer diagnosis 

That was one of the hardest things going through that alone. It did lead to me deciding to move back home for a little bit with the longer-term goal of moving close to home, but still in a big city. I love my small town, but I’m a big-city girl at heart. 

In the coming days, I made an appointment on that phone call to have a consultation with an oncologist that Wednesday. My family was 5-hours away by car, and I knew they would want to come down for the surgery and treatment and all of that. 

Jenn felt alone during her diagnosis because her family lived far away

The oncologist was great. We called my mom on speakerphone. She was able to be on speakerphone through the entire conversation which was really helpful because I just found out that I had cancer. My mind is spinning. The questions I have are definitely not the questions she has and the odds of me remembering anything, I definitely didn’t take notes. We were giggling at my mom and all the questions she would ask. In the end, I was really grateful because those were things that, as we got closer to my surgery, I would wonder about and she had the answers and it hadn’t occurred to me. 

What was your staging?
Jenn learned her staging was 1B

They were able to give me a couple of different dates for options for my surgery. Based on the shave biopsy that they had done, their initial estimate of staging was that I was stage 1B, but the only way to be sure of that was to also do a sentinel node biopsy and make sure that the cancer hadn’t spread to my lymph nodes.

Describe what a sentinel node biopsy is

A sentinel node biopsy is a procedure typically done on the day of your surgery. You go in a little bit earlier before your operation. They will inject a dye into the area where your cancer is, then you have to sit and wait for that dye to travel through your bloodstream so they’re able to see if the cancer had spread. The dye is very painful. The closest thing I can compare it to is a Lidocaine injection times 50. It burns, you can feel it traveling through you.

Jenn had a sentinel node biopsy to confirm if her mole was cancerous

After it’s had time to travel, they take a bunch of photos, so you have to stay really still. It’s about a 15 to 20-minute process. You’re slid into a tube, very similar to an MRI, and they scan and take pictures. Any of the lymph nodes that light up are the ones that they end up removing during surgery. I actually had lymph nodes in 2 different areas that lit up. I had to have 2 removed from under my right arm and one removed from the right side of my neck.

Surgery 

How long did your procedure take that day? 

Because I had to be there early for the sentinel node biopsy – I had to be at the hospital at 8 a.m. – it was actually so early that my family wasn’t able to be there yet. I traveled to the hospital alone, on the Red Line train in Chicago with my little backpack, and I brought a stuffed animal with me. I felt like a little kid traveling to see their family, but I needed something to comfort me, especially going in alone. 

I went in at about 8:00 for the lymph node tracing, and from start to finish, I want to say it took about 2 hours. I didn’t have a watch on me because I wasn’t allowed to wear any jewelry that day so I just left it behind. I didn’t have an exact amount of time, but it was between 10 and 10:30 when I was brought back out to the waiting room in that area where then my sister and my mom were both waiting for me and were able to be with me until my operation. From that point, they brought me down to get checked into the operating room for the surgery. My surgery was scheduled for one with anesthesia and surgery prep around noon.

Friends sent Jenn gifts after her diagnosis

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There was a little bit of a gap in between so my mom, sister, and I were brought down to the operating room. They got me set up in the operating room area and in a gown. So many people came in to talk to me. I had a plastic surgeon come in and talk to me because, on the top of your shoulder, there’s not a lot of extra skin. The oncologist was doing the surgery to remove cancer and the lymph nodes and the plastic surgeon was coming in to then stitch it back up so that there would be less of a scar and to maintain the skin that was there as best as they could. 

Being prepped for surgery
Jenn was prepped for surgery

The anesthesiologist was coming in and talking to me about complications and risks and waivers, the plastic surgeon coming in and covering all of that, and then the oncologist coming in and covering all of that too. That was when I really started to get scared. I was talking to my mom and my sister and I was joking like, Mom, if anything happens, you get my cat. Jill If anything happens, you get my shoes. Laughing was my coping mechanism for it to help keep the fears down.

I’d never had surgery before this. Luckily, after they gave me the anesthesia, my mom and my sister were able to walk beside my bed while they started wheeling me down to the O.R. The last thing I remember is my sister being on one side and my mom being on the other. I was out cold before I even got to the operating room. 

How long did the surgery take?
Jenn had her first surgery for removing melanoma stage 1b

I believe the surgery took about 2.5 to 3 hours, and the next thing I remember is waking up in the operating room, and I was incredibly nauseous. That’s a common side effect of anesthesia, but because I hadn’t had surgery before, we didn’t know that I was going to have that. I was in the recovery room for a pretty long time because I wasn’t able to leave until I was able to at least keep crackers and some water down through an IV. They were able to give me anti-nausea meds, but it was at least half an hour before I could even sit up without feeling nauseous. 

I believe we left around 4:30. From the time I got there at 8 a.m. until the time I left, it was 8 to 4:30. About 9.5 hours.

Describe your recovery process
Jenn didn't believe she could recover without the support of her family

That was the first time that I realized that if I had to continue doing this on my own, I didn’t think it was realistic to do so far away from my family with that extra support.

After the surgery, I had to be off of work for at least a week and a half, and then I was going to be able to return for 2.5 days with restricted mobility. Because I lived in Chicago and didn’t have a car, it was extra challenging because I took the red line to work every day. On the train, especially during rush hour, you’re lucky if you get a seat. There was no realistic way for me to stand and hang on to a bar for balance having just had major surgery on my shoulder. 

My mom and my sister were able to stay through the weekend and they helped me get up, set up with groceries, get things close by me in my apartment, and set me up as best as they could. 

I ended up having, not a reaction to Vicodin, but I’d never had it before and the Vicodin ended up making me very nauseous as well. There were days when I’d be laying on my side trying to eat something before taking Vicodin to manage it because it made me so sick to my stomach.

The doctor prescribed a new medication that would help with the pain, but would hopefully not have the same side effects. We were in the middle of a snowstorm and I didn’t have a car. A friend of mine had to dig the car out of a snow bank to go get it for me. That was the first time that I realized that if I had to continue doing this on my own, I didn’t think it was realistic to do so far away from my family with that extra support. 

What was the result of your surgery?

It took about a week and a half to get the results from my surgery pathology. My lymph nodes, all 3, were confirmed clear. There had been no spread so that confirmed a stage 1 diagnosis. Then the plan was skin checks every 3 months for 5 years to be reassessed in 3 years, depending on if we found further spots, if I had other recurrences or anything like that. 

Jenn's lymph nodes were clear
How did you process your cancer diagnosis?

I had no idea what was to come but didn’t really process it because everything happened so fast. My immediate reaction was just to put it behind me.

My very next skin check just happened to be the day before my lease was up on my apartment. Knowing that my skin check was the day before my lease was up left this feeling of my life being really uncertain. A lot of that was probably cancer too, but at the time, I hadn’t even processed the actual diagnosis. Everything happened so fast. From the time of my appointment with the dermatologist where they did a biopsy until the surgery where they actually removed the melanoma was less than 3 weeks. 

Jenn was uncertain about her future

I remember after the surgery when we got the pathology that everything was clear, I was like, that was it? There was a lot of guilt surrounding that because so many people have more challenging cancer diagnoses and go through a lot more treatment. I had no idea what was to come but didn’t really process it because everything happened so fast. My immediate reaction was just to put it behind me. 

Mental Health

Making big decisions due to a cancer diagnosis 

When I had that skin check, I was like, Well, what if this comes back? I can’t do this on my own. It’s really hard. I had amazing friends in Chicago but had not even been there for 2 years, so I didn’t have the same strength of relationships that I had back home. I also had my foot in the door at an incredible organization. I was halfway through getting my master’s degree in sports management at that point, so I felt like I was having to choose between 2 futures.

Do I choose my career knowing that health-wise, that may be more difficult or do I choose having my family close by in case my health does take a turn? But this may have a huge impact on my career. I went back and forth no less than 10 to 15 times a day. I drove my mom crazy. I was calling her multiple times a day. I would call her when I woke up in the morning, when I was walking to the train to go to work, and on my lunch break. She’s like, “Jenn, you just have to pick one. There’s no right or wrong answer. It’s whatever you think is right for you.” I was like, well, what do you think? She’s like, “I can’t make that decision for you. You have to make it for yourself.” 

Jenn and her mom

Ultimately I did end up deciding to go home, but that was really hard too, because that meant I wasn’t going to have a job. I hadn’t lived at home for years, and it felt like a huge step backward. Going from a big city like Chicago to my small hometown where I wasn’t close with a lot of my classmates from high school, it didn’t feel like I had a lot there. It was a really difficult transition.

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Struggling to transition to life changes post-cancer 

I’ve now developed a healthy relationship with the sun, but for a while, if it was between 10 and 2, I was terrified to be outside.

When I was back home, I first leaned into running, taking care of myself, and getting outside. A lot of anxieties crept in. I had melanoma, which is skin cancer, so I want to go for a run. Typically I was a middle-of-the-day runner. I’m not going to run outside in the middle of the day because now, to a degree, I’m afraid of the sun. I can’t have this cancer come back. I’ve now developed a healthy relationship with the sun, but for a while, if it was between 10 and 2, I was terrified to be outside. I was afraid that something I had done had caused this and I didn’t want to cause it to happen again. 

Jenn at a 5K event

I also wasn’t working, so I had a lot of free time. I felt somewhat worthless. I was actually finishing my master’s at that time, but I placed so much worth in this career that I was working towards that all of a sudden, feeling stagnant was really difficult. I was applying for a ton of jobs up in Saint Paul, Minneapolis, which is a pretty big sports community as well, and just wasn’t hearing a lot back. That really took a hit on my self-esteem. 

All of my friends were either in the Twin Cities, which is an hour’s car ride away, or back in Chicago, which was a 5.5-hour car ride away. My parents were essentially my entire social life. 

What was the state of your mental health after cancer?

I had struggled with depression in the past, so when that thought crossed my mind, I immediately was aware of it and caught it and was like, this is not okay. I don’t want to feel this way.

Jenn struggled with depression post-cancer

I went to coffee one day and it was a really eye-opening moment. After I left the coffee shop, I was sitting at the stoplight and I was just waiting for it to turn green so that I could go. I remember thinking, I don’t want to be here anymore. I don’t want to be alive anymore. I felt like such a huge burden to my parents at this point. I had more skin checks and they all came back with needing more biopsies. Luckily, none of them were melanoma at that point, but they were coming back atypical and I couldn’t see a future that didn’t involve my family having to take care of me and me being terrified of cancer and having more biopsies and more surgeries. It felt hopeless like there was no way out.

I had struggled with depression in the past, so when that thought crossed my mind, I immediately was aware of it and caught it and was like, this is not okay. I don’t want to feel this way. Because of my history of depression, I was able to talk to my mom about it. We have a pretty open relationship about that stuff and I’ve been able to go to her for support when it happened before. 

I started seeing a therapist close to my hometown and it was helpful at the time. She wasn’t really the right fit for me, but there weren’t a ton of options, so it was helping. My sister, the company that she worked for, needed some help. I was able to start working there part-time. She knew that it was temporary, but for me, it at least gave me a feeling of doing something worthwhile. I was making money. If I wanted to go visit my friends in the cities, I could pay for my own gas. It gave me a little bit more sense of independence back. A few months later, I ended up getting a job offer for an internship at Target Field with the Minnesota Twins.

How did you manage your mental health?
Jenn is finding purpose in her cancer diagnosis

For me, it’s been finding things that bring me purpose. Cancer has really changed my perspective on that.

With mental health and depression, having good things happen doesn’t fix it. It doesn’t cure it. I still go to therapy at least once a month, sometimes more often, depending on what’s happening with my health and what stage we’re at with skin checks and biopsies and things like that. 

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I think it’s choosing to do the smallest thing that you can do and go from there. Some days, if you can get up and take a shower and brush your teeth and that’s all you can do, you did it. Every day, keep going and finding things. 

For me, it’s been finding things that bring me purpose. Cancer has really changed my perspective on that. It’s changed how I see my career and how I spend my time. Finding what really drives you to want to get out of bed in the morning and doing the smallest thing every day that you can do, eventually, you find yourself being able to do more and more.

Celebrating a cancer-free milestone

There was a pretty significant time frame between my first diagnosis in January 2015 and my second diagnosis in January 2020. In January 2020, I celebrated being 5 years cancer-free. I had a big celebration with friends and family at a local brewery nearby. We reserved a little space and set it up for drop-in for 2 hours. It was really special to have people from all different aspects of my life come and celebrate. 

It felt like a huge accomplishment and I really needed to celebrate it because even though your melanoma hasn’t come back, it doesn’t mean that you’re not having biopsies and surgeries at that point. I had already had a number of surgeries in between because of moderately and severely atypical moles where they needed to go in and get more to make sure it didn’t become cancer again, so that felt like a huge accomplishment. 

Jenn struggled during the pandemic

Then 2 months later, things really shut down due to the pandemic. That was very challenging in a lot of ways at first from a mental health perspective. I live alone with my rescue cat and my sister was pregnant at the time, so I was limited access to her. My mom has an autoimmune disease, so our family had to be extra cautious. We really weren’t socializing at all. My entire social life disintegrated. We FaceTime and things like that, but it’s not the same as being in person. 

Recurrence

Describe your experience with recurrence 

About a year later, while we were still very much in the effects of the pandemic in March of 2021, I received my second melanoma diagnosis. Because of my skin checks, which at that point we were up to 6 months skin checks because I’d been doing pretty well, we found a stage 0. They still do what’s called a WLE or wide local excision, which is a surgery. The difference with stage 0, I’m actually awake for it instead of under anesthesia because they don’t have to go in as deep or as wide. They don’t have to take quite as much skin.

Jenn had surgery for stage 0 melanoma

That was the first of a very tough year for me. I had my third diagnosis a few months later in October of 2021. That one ended up being another stage 1B, so I did have to go under anesthesia with that one. 

Because I’d had a stage 0 melanoma in that area, as well as 2 severely atypical moles removed, I had a lot of scar tissue and they can’t use scar tissue to help close up the wound. A plastic surgeon had to come in and I ended up having almost an entire external shoulder reconstruction where they had to, take the skin and shift everything in order to close it and take more skin than they normally would because they were cutting out some of that scar tissue. I actually have 1 scar that used to go up and down that actually now goes horizontally, which is the biggest thing that I can see now that really shows how much they had to do at that time.

About a year later, while we were still very much in the effects of the pandemic in March of 2021, I received my second melanoma diagnosis.

A few months later, I ended up having my fourth melanoma diagnosis, which was another stage 0 melanoma. So in 11 months, I had 3 recurrences. That was after 5 years, and with melanoma and a lot of cancers, I believe 5 years is a milestone. After you hit the 5-year mark, your chance of recurrence goes down. That was why I decided to have a party that year because it felt like I’d been holding my breath waiting to hit that 5-year mark, especially with all of the atypical moles and surgeries in between. It was like, okay, maybe we’re out of the woods. It was a weight lifted off my shoulders but I didn’t have long before that weight was right back.

How did you process your cancer recurrence?

I don’t know if I ever mentally processed it. I was very much in survival mode. Not as much after the first one because it was stage 0, so it felt like our plan is working. This isn’t ideal, I don’t want more melanomas, but we caught it very early. Stage 0 cancer is borderline precancerous so where it’s right on the edge of being a severely atypical mole and a melanoma. It felt like a setback but wasn’t as devastating as getting that next one in October. 

After a 5-year remission, Jenn's cancer returned

I had just started my new job as the director of marketing in July of 2021. Then in October, just a few months later, having to tell them my cancer is back, I’m going to need some time off, I was facing a lot of uncertainty. This is my second one now in 6 months. That was a really difficult conversation to have. They were incredibly supportive, and they still are. 

I continued to go to therapy but feel like I met with my therapist and cried on every visit. We talked a lot about how to live in those small moments because I couldn’t see a future past my next skin check. I was starting to ask, is this really going to be the rest of my life? Skin check melanoma, skin check melanoma. It wasn’t until the first skin check after that stage 0, the most recent one that I was able to let out a little bit of a breath. Everything came back benign in that one so we didn’t have to do any further excisions. Since then, I’ve had 2 skin checks where we didn’t do any biopsies. 

Being cancer-free for a year after 3 recurrences

In February, on Valentine’s Day of this year, I celebrated 1-year of being cancer-free again and had a skin check the week before that anniversary date. It felt like there was so much pressure on that skin check. I did have one biopsy done at that one. The day before we had my celebration planned, I got the results back that everything was clear I was really able to celebrate with friends and family and had a smaller party. 

Jenn recently celebrated being 1-year cancer-free

In February, on Valentine’s Day of this year, I celebrated 1-year of being cancer-free again.

It was a smaller group, but it was really the people that had supported me. If my parents or my sister couldn’t be at an appointment, I have a group of friends that have a group text that I’m not in because they knew that I would never ask for help. When they knew I had an appointment that somebody couldn’t go to with me, they would coordinate among themselves and decide who was going to go and made sure I never went to an appointment alone. Things like that. Those are the people that I had there on that day.

Jenn's friends always join her at her doctor's visits
How often do you have skin checks now?

After my most recent stage 1B, we got more aggressive with my treatment plan. I’m still very fortunate that I’m not on medication for it or having to do immunotherapy, which is generally the common treatment with melanoma. In addition to my 3-month skin checks, which I’m currently on, the goal is to hit annual skin checks. It’s funny to feel like that’s such a huge achievement because that’s what everybody should be doing but I haven’t made it there since January 2015. The closest I’ve gotten is a discussion about going to 9 months.

Jenn receives skin checks every 3 months
Jenn has mole mapping
The importance of having support on your cancer journey

Leading up to the skin checks, I always make sure I plan my therapy around those. That really helps. When I know I have a skin check, I will schedule a therapy appointment for the same week. Or if the skin check is at the beginning of the week, my therapy appointment will be at the end of the week so it’s less than a week away from the skin check leading up to it. That’s when I increase how often I’m going to therapy. Usually, about 2 weeks after my skin check, I’ll schedule another therapy appointment because that’s when we can expect that my results would have come in. It’s so helpful to know that I have this person to talk to and process all of those feelings and no matter what happens, I have that extra support system behind me. 

Jenn always has someone go to the doctor with her
Jenn has a caring support system

Talking to family, knowing that that group of friends is there to make sure that I’m not going alone…It’s partly for the emotional support, but also it’s helpful to have somebody after if they biopsy something on my back and I have to get dressed after. I’m extra grateful because, after COVID, they would go with me but they would have to sit in the car. I had to go in by myself for a really long period of time. 

Dealing with scanxiety

In a weird way, that year has made me more comfortable in survival mode than not. That’s something that I’ve really been working through in the last year and a half, figuring out how to live for the future and not for the next melanoma.

Jenn discusses dealing with scanxiety

It’s interesting too, because I find that a majority of my scanxiety comes leading up to the skin check. No matter how many biopsies they do, there’s still that sense of relief, because that’s the part that unfortunately, I’ve become most comfortable with. I’m like, okay, so now from here I know what happens. They’ll either come back moderately typical, we’ll do this or it’ll be severely atypical and we’ll do this. I know how to handle what happens after. I don’t know how to handle the uncertainty. 

Going into the skin check is actually harder than waiting for the result. It’s almost a relief even if they do a biopsy and I don’t usually feel nervous until I get to the point where I know the results could be coming any day. I just want to know so that I know what we’re going to do and implement a plan. In a weird way, that year has made me more comfortable in survival mode than not. That’s something that I’ve really been working through in the last year and a half, figuring out how to live for the future and not for the next melanoma.

Reflections 

What were your feelings about being outside post-melanoma diagnosis?
After her diagnosis, Jenn went to Disney World
Jenn grappled with fears of being in the sun pot-cancer
Jenn had to overcome fears about being outside post-cancer

Shortly after my first melanoma, about a month after I moved back home, my family went to Disney World on vacation in Orlando, Florida. It was April or May, but Orlando, Florida in early summer or late spring, you think of sun, being outdoors, and beaches. That was really difficult because I was like, how do I go on this trip and enjoy the trip and not hang out by the pool with my family? I bought 100+ SPF and was putting it on every 5 minutes. I was terrified to be outside at the theme parks. I would find a patch of shade and run to it while my family waited in line. There was a lot of fear initially.

The importance of sun protection 

SPF or UPF clothing has been incredibly helpful because reapplying sunscreen throughout the day is so important but that’s a lot easier if you’re at home or even at a cabin versus in a theme park where you’re getting in lines. You can only bring so much in. UPF clothing is really helpful. Sunglasses are so important and you want to make sure that they have 100% UV protection. You can even get cheap sunglasses with that.

Jenn encourages people use sun protection
People can develop melanoma in the eyes
Using a hat protects the sun from hitting your head

One thing that I didn’t know until after I was diagnosed is that you can get melanoma in your eyes, so even my annual eye exams are extra important. They do the 3D imaging now instead of dilating my eyes at every appointment, so my eye exams have changed. 

Jenn often gets screened for melanoma during eye exams

Also, wear a hat any time you’re outside because even if you put sunscreen on your scalp, the sun is beating down on the top of your head and the tops of your ears, the back of your neck. Wearing a hat, especially a wide-brimmed hat, is so important if you’re going to be outside. 

If you can, avoid peak sunlight hours. Typically that’s between 10 a.m. and 2 p.m. when the sun is hottest. I’ve learned a lot about the UV index, which ranges from 0 to about 12. You’ll very rarely see it get that high, but at a 0, it’s very safe. It’s usually right away in the morning or at dusk where the intensity isn’t as high. The higher it gets, the more often you have to apply sunscreen, and the more you should seek shade wearing those extra layers of clothing, sunglasses, hats, and stuff like that.

It’s actually really cool. I didn’t even know it was on there. But on almost any weather app, if you scroll down, it’ll actually tell you the UV index at any time of the day, so that’s been really helpful. Sometimes if I’m outside and I’m like, do I need to put on more sunscreen? I’ll check the UV index. It’s a helpful tool to base that on. 

How previous sunburns can be a precursor to melanoma 
Jenn speaks about the dangers of tanning beds

A lot of people think if they use tanning beds, it’s safer, and it’s actually not because there are UVA and UVB rays and tanning beds have the type of UV rays that are less likely to make you burn, but more likely to give you skin cancer.

It was very frustrating for a while knowing that I was doing all of these things and the melanoma was still coming back. It also stresses the importance that no sun damage is reversible. I think there are a lot of times where my tan faded or I got sunburned, but I put on my lotion and my aloe vera and it’s healed but our skin remembers every bit of sun damage that we’ve ever had. So my melanoma isn’t coming back because I haven’t been doing enough, and maybe it wouldn’t have happened had I taken better protection from the sun earlier, but it’s really leaning into everything that I can do now to lower my risk from what it already is.

There’s a stat that I want to say is, 2 blistering sunburns before the age of 18 can increase your risk of skin cancer by over 50%. A lot of people think if they use tanning beds, it’s safer, and it’s actually not because there are UVA and UVB rays and tanning beds have the type of UV rays that are less likely to make you burn, but more likely to give you skin cancer. There’s a lot of misinformation surrounding that right now, which is also really important. There’s so much information and misinformation around tanning that’s really hard to hear. Especially at the beginning of the year when gyms are using unlimited tanning to sell gym memberships.

What advice do you have for someone on their cancer journey?
Jenn shares her advice for those on their cancer journey
Jenn recommends patients advocate for themselves
Jenn recommends people find themselves post-cancer

There are 2 pieces of information that I would give to somebody going through a diagnosis. The first one, and I hear it a lot from others who have experienced cancer as well, believe in yourself and advocate for yourself. If a doctor tells you that you’re wrong, never be afraid of getting a second opinion. Nobody knows your body better than you do. If something doesn’t feel right, and maybe it’s not, have a care team that you trust. That is so important. If you have any hesitations about your doctor, seek out a second one. The worst thing that happens is it’s nothing, but you would never want to not do it. It ends up changing the course of your treatment or you end up missing something or catching something later when it could really change the outcome. 

»MORE: How To Be A Cancer Patient Advocate

The other thing is it’s so common to feel lost after a cancer diagnosis. We go through so much that it really changes us. It changes how you see yourself. It changes how you see your career, time with your family, and time in general. Try to change that perspective of, I’m lost and I don’t know who I am anymore, into this idea that you get to find out who you are now. Have fun exploring and trying new things and seeing what you love. You’re getting to know yourself all over again. 

Jenn advocates for skin cancer awareness
Jenn has spoken to lawmakers in Congress to advocate for skin cancer awareness
Jenn has found purpose and joy in advocating for people affected by skin cancer

I felt a huge lack of control after my diagnosis, and something I never in a million years would have dreamed of doing was speaking to lawmakers in Congress. Advocacy work has given me so much purpose, and that’s not going to be the same for everybody, but that’s something I never even would have considered before my diagnosis. I get so much joy and purpose out of it and being able to take that frustration and lack of control and channel that into something that’s creating change for others facing similar experiences.

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Brittney Beadle’s Stage 4 Breast Cancer Story

Brittney Beadle’s Stage 4 Metastatic Breast Cancer Story

After discovering a lump in her right breast, Brittney’s doctors found a mass but assumed it was non-cancerous due to Brittney being 18 years old. A few months later, the lump grew and her nipple inverted, leading her to get a biopsy that revealed the lump was cancerous.

On the day of her Senior prom, Brittney received a double mastectomy. Following surgery, her doctors told her she was cancer-free. A month later, she learned she had stage 4 metastatic breast cancer. For the past 8 years, Brittney has been living life to the fullest with stage 4 breast cancer.

Brittney shares her cancer story with us, including how she stays positive, how she found a supportive cancer community, what led her to her cancer care teams, and her experience with different cancer treatments including chemotherapy, immunotherapy, and radiation. Plus, she explains why it’s important to advocate for yourself as a patient.

Brittney shares her cancer symptoms, treatments and diagnosis
  • Name: Brittney B. 
  • Diagnosis (DX):
  • Staging: 4
  • Symptoms:
    • Lump in the right breast
    • Inverted nipple
  • Treatment:
    • Surgery
      • Double mastectomy 
      • Reconstruction 
    • Chemo
      • Taxotere
      • Herceptin with Perjeta
      • Zoladex
      • KADCYLA
      • Xeloda
      • ENHERTU
Brittney's breast cancer timeline

My life began after I had cancer and I was still able to do everything that I wanted to. I had to pivot a lot of times because cancer did take some things away from me, but I pivoted and then found a new path for myself. A beautiful path.

Brittney B.

This interview has been edited for clarity. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider for treatment decisions.


Symptoms 

Tell us about yourself

I’m Brittney Beadle. I am a very adventurous soul, so I move around a lot and I love going for hikes outdoors and in nature. Anything that involves being outside is my hobby. Getting onto the lake and being on a paddleboard or swimming in the ocean, whatever it is outside, I’m totally into it.

What were your first symptoms?

My symptom was I found a lump in February of 2015 while I was still in high school and I told my mom about it. She made an ultrasound and a mammogram appointment with the breast specialist and that’s where they confirmed that I did have a mass. They said, “You’re 18 and 18-year-olds don’t get breast cancer” and then sent me home. 

Three months later, I had a new symptom. The lump had grown immensely and it caused my nipple to invert. At this point, I’m like, something’s wrong. I told my mom again, and that’s when I had another ultrasound and another mammogram done. This time they did the biopsy. I saw the worried look on her face when she saw that I had an inverted nipple. So she did the biopsy after that.

Brittney discovered a lump in her breast

I found a lump in February of 2015 while I was still in high school and I told my mom about it. She made an ultrasound and a mammogram appointment with the breast specialist and that’s where they confirmed that I did have a mass.

Does breast cancer run in your family?

My maternal grandmother had early-stage breast cancer in her 50s, but we didn’t have the gene or anything like that.

What did you think when your mom made those appointments? 

For the first appointment, I told my mom it was unnecessary. It’s just a lump. She’s like, “No, I want it to be checked out.” She made me see the doctor. Then the second time, when I found the lump again, it had grown, and caused my nipple to invert, she made an immediate appointment.

After being told she had a mass, Brittney's lump grew and her nipple inverted

Diagnosis 

When she told me I had breast cancer, in my head, I was like, but 3 months ago you told me 18-year-olds can’t get breast cancer. Now you’re telling me, as an 18-year-old, I do have breast cancer?

What was your diagnosis? 

At first, I was like, okay, I’m good. When I brought it back to my mom, the breast specialist gave me a piece of paper that said fibro-something. That’s what she was calling it. I remember my mom taking the paper and being like, “I don’t know if I like this answer, but I’m going to trust the doctor because she knows more than me.” 

When I went back again, when the lump had grown, I was still thinking, it’s definitely not breast cancer. It’s something else because she told me I couldn’t get breast cancer. Then the next day I was diagnosed after my biopsy. When she told me I had breast cancer, in my head, I was like, but 3 months ago you told me 18-year-olds can’t get breast cancer. Now you’re telling me, as an 18-year-old, I do have breast cancer? It was a little bit of shock and confusion about how it could have even happened to me so young.

Did the doctors apologize for their misdiagnosis? 
Brittney's doctor apologized for assuming she didn't have cancer

She did apologize. She sat me down, put her hand on my leg, and was like, “I’m so sorry. You have breast cancer.” I didn’t stay with her. My mom was actually very angry at her. I didn’t have any anger towards her, but my mom definitely did, of course, because she’s my mother. We left that hospital and went somewhere else.

Taking breast cancer in young people more seriously 

I think doctors should be more aware because it’s happening more and more that people are getting breast cancer younger and younger. I think it’s really important for the doctors to know that so that they don’t get misdiagnosed like I was. By the time I went back after she misdiagnosed me, I had 4 new lumps that had grown. The lump had grown significantly. So would my staging have been different if they did catch it earlier? 

I am a huge advocate for not only letting women – and men too because they also get breast cancer – know that they’re still at risk even when they are so young. Also making it so the doctors are aware of that as well.

It’s happening more and more that people are getting breast cancer younger and younger. I think it’s really important for the doctors to know that so that they don’t get misdiagnosed like I was.

Brittney hopes doctors realize that people are getting cancer younger
What was your staging? 

I was diagnosed on May 6th, 2015, but they told me I was at an early stage. They’re like, “You’re young. We caught it early. There’s no need to worry. We’ll give you a double mastectomy and some radiation and you’ll be good.” We did all that. We had my mastectomy about a week after I was diagnosed, and then they gave me a PET scan about a month later. That’s when we found out that I wasn’t at an early stage. I was actually already metastatic, so I was already stage 4.

Where did you receive cancer care?

It was a team in Scranton, Pennsylvania.

The importance of advocating for yourself as a patient
Brittney shares the importance of advocating for yourself as a patient

I ended up leaving that oncologist too. At the beginning of my journey, I didn’t really know to speak up for myself yet and to advocate for myself, so there were a lot of mistakes made with me. Now I look back and I feel like I could take what I learned from that time and help others who are going through the same thing and help them know what questions to ask, when to ask them, and if second opinions are necessary, which usually they are.

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How did your doctors misdiagnose your staging? 

They literally just diagnosed me at an early stage right after my biopsy. They’re like, “Oh, you’re stage 2.” Then I had my mastectomy a week later, and they saw it was in my lymph nodes. They said, “Actually you’re stage 3.” A month after that, they’re like, “Wait, you’re stage 4.” So I had a bunch of different staging throughout that whole month of being diagnosed with breast cancer.

It was tricky for them because they were in awe that someone so young at 18 had breast cancer. I felt like they couldn’t even imagine that an 18-year-old could have metastatic breast cancer. That’s where the mistakes came in because they didn’t know how to handle someone so young and I didn’t know to speak up for myself at that time.

I felt like they couldn’t even imagine that an 18-year-old could have metastatic breast cancer. That’s where the mistakes came in because they didn’t know how to handle someone so young.

How did you process your cancer diagnosis?
Brittney knew everything would be ok with her diagnosis no matter what happened

I really had to dig deep within myself and I had this strong knowingness that it was going to be okay no matter what. I had to learn to trust that strong knowingness that I had inside rather than the fear that I was feeling at the moment.

I didn’t even really know what cancer was. I had just heard of it. I didn’t have anyone in my life who was really affected by it so I really didn’t know much about cancer at all.

It was interesting. I feel like when I got the early diagnosis, it was easier for me to move through my emotions because all the doctors kept telling me, “You’re going to be good, you’re going to live a long life. This is what we’re going to do, and then you’ll be cancer free.” I was actually told I was cancer-free after my mastectomy. That part was easier for me to take in. But when I got the stage 4 diagnosis about a month later, that one was harder for me to hear because they said it’s not curable, but it’s treatable. I’ll have to live with this for the rest of my life. 

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I was set to be graduating high school in a week. I was supposed to be starting my life, but I’m being told it might end. I really had to dig deep within myself and I had this strong knowingness that it was going to be okay no matter what. I had to learn to trust that strong knowingness that I had inside rather than the fear that I was feeling at the moment.

Treatment

Why did you choose a double mastectomy? 

I almost threw up when I first saw what I looked like because I went from a double-D to just flat…That was a sight I had to take in and realize that I’m going to have to learn to love my body again after I went through this.

Brittney received a double mastectomy

I learned that I had to have a double mastectomy the same day I was diagnosed with breast cancer. Straight after being diagnosed, they sent me to a surgeon who then said it would be best to remove both breasts. They said, “Since you’re so young, we want you to live a long life. Having a mastectomy is the best option.” I feel like I didn’t have any time to digest that because then they scheduled my surgery for a week later. There was really no time for me to think about it. When you have cancer, things move pretty fast. 

I was able to make peace with it. I felt like my breast had been invaded and I was like, okay, I just want them off now. I just wanted to live a long life, so I made peace with losing my breasts at 18 years old. 

When I had the mastectomy, it was the day of my senior prom. My best friend came to visit me and her hair was curled, she was in this beautiful gown, and I was in the hospital in a hospital gown instead of dancing the night away at my senior prom. 

After the surgery, I remember my surgeon unwrapping my chest, and I honestly thought I was going to be okay seeing it, but I remember feeling disgusted. I almost threw up when I first saw what I looked like because I went from a double-D to just flat because I had delayed reconstruction. All I saw was bruising and blood. I had drains coming out of the side of me. That was a sight I had to take in and realize that I’m going to have to learn to love my body again after I went through this. 

Describe your recovery post-surgery 

For the recovery, they had me stay in the hospital for a few days after because I was so young and they wanted to look after me and see how everything was going. I had my mom and my partner at the time. They would sleep in the hospital with me and help me get up and walk. I remember I had a bunch of nurses behind me and everyone was parading around me while I made laps around the hospital as I walked for the first time after my surgery. It was really nice. 

Brittney appreciated her team of doctors who gave her her mastectomy

I had the most incredible team of doctors and nurses who took care of me during my surgery. They even asked me what my favorite song was, my favorite artist, and they played my favorite artist while I was having my surgery even though I was unconscious. They said they were listening to the music that I would have liked. It was nice to have that type of support from nurses and doctors when you’re going through something like this.

A PET scan revealed she was stage 4

That’s when she started telling me that the cancer had spread all throughout my bones and in my liver.

I never had to do radiation. They initially told me I would have to when they thought I was at an early stage, but then I had my PET scan a month later. It was crazy because my oncologist wouldn’t answer any of my calls. I was calling her, trying to figure out what my results were because I thought they were going to be okay. Everyone kept telling me you’re going to be fine. You’re cancer free now. I honestly thought my scan results were going to be good and kept calling anyways because I wanted that confirmation.

She had set up an appointment with someone in New York, another oncologist. Because I was so young, she wanted a second opinion for me to make sure she was putting me on the right treatment. I went to that appointment with my mom, my grandfather, my partner at the time, and my dad. Everyone came with me. We were all expecting good news. But this doctor walked in who I was meeting for the first time, she sat down, I leaned across the desk, and I’m like, how are my results? She looked at me with this concerned look, and she pushed a folder towards me, opened it, and said, “You don’t know?” I’m like, know what? She said, “There were spots.” That’s when she started telling me that the cancer had spread all throughout my bones and in my liver. I asked her, so what do I do? Do I do chemo and then I’m good? That’s when she said it’s treatable but it’s not curable. I’ll have to live with this for the rest of my life. That’s truly when I lost it and ran out of the room and let my family handle the appointment for me. 

Brittney was told she was cancer-free but a PET scan revealed she was stage 4
What led you to your next oncologist? 

Every time I had a bad scan, he would tell me, “It’s okay, we’re going to get through this” and end the conversation with hope.

I felt like it fell in perfectly for me because my older friend knew someone who was an oncologist she loved. She set me up with him and he is still my favorite doctor that I had in my entire life. He was hope. He never let me believe that this disease was going to take my life. He said, “These are just bumps in the road. We will get through them together.” Every time I had a bad scan, he would tell me, “It’s okay, we’re going to get through this” and end the conversation with hope. He was the most amazing doctor in the world. I was truly blessed with him and it was easy to find him because I felt like the universe had him there for me. I got really lucky.

What side effects have you experienced on cancer treatments? 

There’ve been a lot of different side effects depending on the treatments that I’ve been on. The ones that really were harsh on me were nausea and vomiting. The one I’m currently on now actually causes a lot of nausea and vomiting. 

Brittney reminds people that they should rest when necessary

There are some days when you need to lay in bed and rest. Please do that. That took me a long time to realize too, that it’s okay to rest. You can be living a great life on your couch.

I learned that it’s okay to take the nausea meds. There’ve been times when I just didn’t want to take it because I was like, no, it’s an extra medicine. I just don’t want to take it. I would suffer and there was no reason for me to suffer when I can just take the nausea medicine to help me feel better. That’s something I learned along the way, as well as ginger chews and there are a bunch of things you can do to help with the side effects.

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Another big one that I struggled with throughout the years and right now from my current treatment is fatigue. I’m literally in bed for 10 out of 21 days with fatigue. It sounds weird, but I swear, getting up and taking a walk truly helps with the fatigue as well as resting. There are some days when you need to lay in bed and rest. Please do that. That took me a long time to realize too, that it’s okay to rest. You can be living a great life on your couch. When I start getting towards the end of that 10th day, getting up and walking truly gives me more energy somehow and makes me feel good emotionally and mentally and that helps me a lot.

What cancer treatment are you currently on?

I’m on a new treatment called ENHERTU and it’s a tough treatment, but it’s a miracle treatment for a lot of people. It’s really helping to extend their lives and help their body heal from cancer.

Describe your experience on ENHERTU

When I first learned that I had progression to my lungs and needed to switch my treatments, I was pretty resistant to it when I learned all the side effects and my oncologist told me I was going to lose my hair again because it was so new. A lot of people were losing their hair, so that’s what they knew of it, and I was really resistant. 

Brittney meditates through her cancer treatments

I waited a few months before starting it because I was so scared of it. I decided to go into it with a love mindset instead of a fear mindset. I was like, okay, this is going to help me heal. Every time I get it, I meditate through it and visualize it, healing my body. But it has been a tougher drug. It comes along with a lot of side effects like nausea, vomiting, and fatigue. I’m learning to navigate my way through it, and it’s an infusion that I receive every 21 days. I am down for about 10 of those days and then I start regaining my energy again and I start feeling like myself again, and then I have treatment again. It’s like a recycle repeat. 

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A lot of my friends are on it too, and it’s truly helping them heal their cancer and make it either no evidence of disease at all or regression in their body, which is what we want when you’re living with a stage 4 diagnosis. It’s hard, but it’s a miracle.

Quality of Life

Brittney maintains hope throught her cancer journey
Brittney receives chemo treatments every 21 days
One of Brittney's first doctors assured her that she had a bright future ahead
What’s helped you stay strong throughout your cancer journey? 

This was a huge part of my mindset from that same doctor who told me it’s not curable, but it’s treatable. When I came back into the hospital after going out to the garden and crying, thinking my life was over, she made sure to tell me that she had patients alive and doing well since the 90s with this same disease, that the future was bright, and that there were treatments coming out more and more every day. 

Brittney was told her cancer is treatable but not curable

Because she told me that, I had such a strong mindset throughout my journey. I was able to handle what I was going through a little better because she gave me hope so early on. I’m still doing scans every 3 to 4 months and I get treatment every 21 days. I’ve been getting treatment every 21 days for the past 8 years now. I’ve been on a lot of different lines of treatment over the years.

Describe your quality of life living with stage 4 breast cancer

Living with a stage 4 diagnosis definitely has a lot of up and downs. I’ve been at my lowest points where I feel like I’m stuck and it’s never going to get better, which was never true. I always got through those points in my life where I thought that I couldn’t. I am truly living a life better than I could have imagined, even with cancer. I am traveling and doing everything my little heart desires. 

I think that’s a misconception about cancer. Some people think, “Oh, you have cancer, your life is over,” but that’s not true. My life began after I had cancer and I was still able to do everything that I wanted to. I had to pivot a lot of times because cancer did take some things away from me, but I pivoted and then found a new path for myself. A beautiful path. I’m living with stage 4. It’s hard, but it’s still beautiful.

It was in my bones, my liver, my brain, and most recently a year and a half ago, my lungs. But currently, my brain has been clear for 4.5 years, which is amazing. My liver is clear, my bones are having regression and my lungs are having a regression.

Brittney's cancer went from progression to regression
Do you experience scanxiety

I used to experience a lot of scanxiety at the beginning, which is totally normal. Every 3 months, you’re taking a peek into your body to see if the cancer is regressed, stable, or growing. If it’s growing, it’s going to send you on a whole different path. That used to really scare me. Now I’ve realized that it’s truly a blessing to have these scans because it’s going to put you on a new path. If for some reason what you’re doing right now isn’t working, it’s going to put you on a new path for healing. I view it from a miracle standpoint, like how awesome is it that we get to take a peek into our bodies? Incredible.

What have the results of your scans been over the years? 

Over the years I’ve had a lot of progression. I went through this loop of having no evidence of disease to progression. It was in my bones, my liver, my brain, and most recently a year and a half ago, my lungs. But currently, my brain has been clear for 4.5 years, which is amazing. My liver is clear, my bones are having regression and my lungs are having regression. 

In my most recent scan this past year, I kept having more and more progression, then this last scan showed that it’s actually getting better.

Reflections

Brittney reflects on her cancer journey and shares her top advice
Do you follow news about new clinical trials and breast cancer treatments?

I do follow up on it. There was a clinical trial that’s like a vaccine they’re doing in Seattle. I just reached out to them to have that in my back pocket just in case. 

I follow that stuff because that’s what helps me to keep going sometimes – the thought that this treatment is hard, but it’s going to be a temporary treatment until I find something even better. Thinking of it that way keeps me going about all the wonderful possibilities that could be in my future. This isn’t my forever, this is my for now. I just need to take it one step a day and get through it for a brighter future.

The importance of finding a caring medical team

I love a team of doctors who are going to tell me what I need to know, but then end every conversation with a little bit of hope, because we truly cling to what the doctors say to us.

I definitely learned to advocate for myself throughout this and make sure that I’m saying all my concerns and asking all my questions. If my team of doctors isn’t listening to me, it’s okay to find a new team of doctors who are going to better support me, because not every doctor is going to be for you, and that’s okay. 

Personally, I love a team of doctors who are going to tell me what I need to know, but then end every conversation with a little bit of hope, because we truly cling to what the doctors say to us. When they’re just saying scary things to us and that’s it, we’re going to cling on to that and accept that for ourselves. But if they leave us with some hope, we’re going to leave feeling a little lighter than we came in, and that’s important.

Brittney encourages people with cancer to find a caring medical team
How have you found good medical care throughout your moves?

I moved a bunch of different times and I do a lot of research looking for an oncologist. I read their bio, see if they seem like they’re a good fit for me, and even interview doctors because they’re working for you. They have your life in their hands, so you need to make sure that they are aligned with your values and your beliefs, and what you want for yourself. I’m all about interviewing doctors and making sure they’re the right fit for you. 

I moved to Florida after Pennsylvania, so I left my favorite oncologist but he’s still there. If something hits the fan, I’ll send him my results and he’ll help come up with a plan. I’ve switched a few times in Florida looking for the right one, and I actually got lucky because there’s a whole Instagram community, which is amazing. There were people living in Orlando, and they recommended my oncologist. I swear she saved my life because she got me on a clinical trial and she was so smart and knowledgeable. 

It’s the same with where I am now in Seattle. When I did my research and found her I got confirmation because when I told people that I was moving to Seattle, I had a bunch of people reach out to me saying, “You have to look up this oncologist. She’s amazing.” It was confirmation that I was with the right oncologist.

Keep living your life despite this diagnosis and know that you can still make a beautiful life for yourself while living with cancer and that there is so much hope. Keep believing in yourself and you’re going to get through this.

Finding cancer support 
Brittney found cancer support through her family, friends and Instagram

My number 1 support system – besides my friends and my family, because I am blessed with the most amazing people in my life – is the Instagram community. I remember I felt so alone in the beginning because I didn’t know anyone my age going through breast cancer. Then one day, I typed in “breast cancer” and found this whole Instagram community. I honestly feel like that’s what helped me get through everything, finding this community on there. I was able to ask them questions and they were there for me when I needed them. It’s just a loving community.

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What’s your top advice for someone on their cancer journey? 
Brittney encourages those with cancer to keep living their lives

There are so many things I can say. My number 1 advice has changed throughout the years. I’ll learn something new and be like, Oh, wait, what about this? But I think my advice would be to keep living your life despite this diagnosis and know that you can still make a beautiful life for yourself while living with cancer and that there is so much hope. Keep believing in yourself and you’re going to get through this.

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Lauren’s Stage 1 Lung Cancer Story

Lauren’s Stage 1 Lung Cancer Story

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Lauren’s story is a powerful reminder that lung cancer doesn’t discriminate. In her own words, “Cancer is cancer, and it will attack anyone.” Lauren, a vibrant 25-year-old with a love for hiking, running, and enjoying time with her dog and family, was unexpectedly diagnosed with lung cancer despite being a nonsmoker and living a healthy lifestyle.

From a young age, Lauren struggled with breathing, bronchitis, and pneumonia. Over the years, her asthma was treated with different medications, but her condition kept deteriorating. She vividly remembers the chronic wheezing that made even simple activities like running and hiking challenging.

Lauren’s medical odyssey took twists and turns. She endured multiple bouts of illness, testing, and incorrect diagnoses. At one point, she was even told she might have leukemia, but her diagnosis remained elusive. Finally, after persistent symptoms and a collapsed lung, Lauren’s intuition led her to push for a CT scan, which revealed a tumor. Despite facing skepticism, she advocated for herself and secured the necessary medical attention.

Her journey didn’t end there. Lauren underwent surgery to remove a tumor that had been growing for around 12 years, significantly impacting her lung health. With resilience and determination, she defied doctors’ expectations by returning to her active lifestyle within just a few months of surgery. She faced fears of illness, coped with post-surgery challenges, and navigated the anxiety of scan days.

Lauren emphasizes the importance of self-advocacy in the face of medical uncertainty. She learned that lung cancer isn’t solely linked to smoking and wants to spread awareness that anyone can be affected. By sharing her story, Lauren is dedicated to educating people about non-smoking lung cancer.

In addition to Lauren’s narrative, The Patient Story offers a diverse collection of lung cancer stories. These empowering stories provide real-life experiences, valuable insights, and perspectives on symptoms, diagnosis, and treatment options for cancer.


This interview has been edited for clarity. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider for treatment decisions.


  • Name: Lauren C.
  • Diagnosis:
    • Lung Cancer
  • Staging:
    • Stage 1
  • Initial Symptoms:
    • Chronic wheezing
    • Difficulty breathing
    • Recurrent pneumonia and bronchitis
  • Treatment:
    • Surgery: VAT surgery (video-assisted thoracoscopic surgery)
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Lauren C.

Introduction

I’m Lauren. I’m 25 years old. I love hiking, running, biking, doing some arts, music, and hanging out with my dog and my family.

Pre-diagnosis

Initial symptoms

When I was younger, all of my friends, including my twin sister, had grown out of their asthma. I never had any asthma issues. But then when I was around 9 or 10, I started struggling to breathe all the time. I would have bronchitis and pneumonia multiple times each year to the point that I would have to be on an air mask for a nebulizer and missed a lot of school.

As I grew into a teenager and went to college, my asthma only got worse. They kept giving me different inhalers, different medication. I got more and more bouts of bronchitis and pneumonia and I would spike these random fevers out of nowhere.

I had this chronic wheeze that would never go away to the point that everyone kept calling me wheezy. Every breath, it would just be constantly wheezing, which is hard when you love hiking and running and doing all the sports.

When I was in sixth grade, I went to a primary doctor appointment and my blood work came back with low red blood cell counts and abnormal white blood cell counts. I don’t remember if they were low or high or what was going on. They sent me to the hospital, which then sent me to a different hospital because they were telling me that I had leukemia, but then they sent me home that night and nobody ever followed up with me on it.

Twelve years later, I ended up in the hospital again because I couldn’t breathe. I had these high fevers going on for months and months, and that’s when they found a collapsed lung.

Lauren C.
Lauren C.
Realizing the symptoms weren’t asthma

I trusted my doctors, but I would tell my parents, “These inhalers aren’t working for me. This medication that they’re giving me isn’t working.” I got bronchitis, they give me antibiotics, and then a week later, they’re giving me more antibiotics.

In 2021, I started to realize it wasn’t asthma. I remember telling my family, “I think I have lung cancer,” because I had nine out of the ten symptoms. Everybody said, “No, the doctors will tell you,” so that’s when we really pushed for a CAT scan.

Symptoms intensified

I had some leg pain going on for a couple of years and I thought it was just varicose veins or whatnot, but my legs hurt so much. Breathing-wise, it wasn’t as much pain as it was a constant tightness. I’d always felt like something was squeezing me.

I have always been a great swimmer. In 2021, I went to a lake with my boyfriend and his friends. I hit the water and immediately started drowning. I couldn’t breathe. I was blacking out so they dragged me back to shore. Since that day, I kept getting sicker. I figured it was because I worked with kids so I was getting sick.

They treated me for bronchitis, then a sinus infection, then pneumonia, then an upper respiratory infection. I had four rounds of antibiotics. I kept spiking these fevers and they kept telling me it could be COVID, but I never tested positive for COVID.

In November 2021, I was at work and they sent me home early because I had on a long-sleeved shirt, a sweatshirt, a jacket, my 30-below sleeping bag, and I was shaking. I drove myself to the emergency room. I had a 104°F fever.

Lauren C.
Lauren C. lung scan

They tested me for every blood disease. They took a chest X-ray and found out I had a collapsed lung, which explained the reoccurring infections because the infection was trapped in my lung.

They told me it was a mucus plug or scar tissue that was causing the collapsed lung and that it will go away. But at that point, after three months of being extremely sick, I knew I had lung cancer. I kept telling everyone, “I think I have lung cancer.”

My mom and I said, “We are not leaving until we get a CAT scan booked.”

Diagnosis

Getting the diagnosis via phone call

A month later, I got my CAT scan. It was a Friday night and they told me to wait until Monday, Tuesday for my results. But before I even arrived home, they called and told me that I had a tumor and they wanted me to go see a specialist right away.

The specialist they wanted me to see was booked all the way until April so they set up an appointment five months after telling me that I had a tumor.

Looking for an oncologist

The next Monday when I was able to go to work, I called my insurance company and begged them to send me a list of every single specialist in the area. They sent me a four-page list. That day, my mom and I called every single number on the list. Only one place took our call and they had me into the hospital within two days.

I was not comfortable with the fact of knowing that they had missed it for how many months. At that point, I had a collapsed lung since probably September. Now it was December and they wanted me to wait another five months.

Lauren C.
Lauren C.
Being dismissed by your doctor

I had seen my primary care doctor so many times. I mentioned to him that I thought it was lung cancer. He said, “It’s not cancer. You’re too young. You don’t smoke. You don’t live with anyone who smokes.” But, of course, then he had to say, “It could be, but I’m just telling you it’s not.”

I’ve seen him a couple of times since and it’s definitely been a very different type of relationship. He’s apologized, obviously, so much for it.

There’s no explanation for why I have lung cancer. In my case, it’s not genetic. I don’t have any of the gene mutations. I don’t live with smokers. I’ve never lived with smokers.

We’ve tested my house for radon levels. If it’s four or higher, then you’re likely to have lung cancer, but mine’s at one and sometimes below one so it makes no sense. It’s just where my cancer decided to grow.

Bronchoscopy & tumor biopsy

I had my first CAT scan when they found the tumor on December 17, 2021. I went to Lahey Hospital to see my specialist on December 28th. Before the doctor even said hello to me, he came and asked if I ate breakfast that morning. He said, “If you didn’t, I’d be putting you into an emergency bronchoscopy right now to get that tumor out because that needs to leave right now.”

A week later, on January 6th, 2022, they did a bronchoscopy to remove most of my tumor. They biopsied it but left some of it in there because it was too dangerous to take it all out during a bronchoscopy. They took enough out that my lung could open back up because it was completely blocking off the airway in my right lung.

It’s just a quick procedure. They put you under and they go down through your throat. They were able to go into my airway and my lung and cut out the tumor. They were able to remove it and biopsy it that way. It was very quick. I think I was only under for maybe 45 minutes.

Lauren C.
Lauren C.
Getting the official diagnosis & staging

On January 10th, while I was at work, I got an email from the hospital. I figured it was just a bill, but the email said, “Your tumor had tested positive for bronchial and lung cancer.” It was CD56-positive, which is a neuroendocrine tumor.

I’m still not quite sure about the stage, but some doctors have said stage one; some said that they don’t really know.

They had told me that it looked like it was probably growing for about 12 years so that’s what kept making my asthma get worse and worse. It was actually just a tumor slowly blocking off the air. It grew inwards into the big hole of the bronchial instead of the lung.

They said it’s a very slow-growing tumor. A lot of doctors kept telling me, “It’s the good type of tumor.” Is there a good type of cancer? People kept saying, “Cancer was kind to you. It grew slow and took your time.” We could have caught it earlier.

Reaction to the diagnosis

I left work when I got the diagnosis. I remember just crying in the car with my mom for five minutes. I turned to her and said, “Crying isn’t going to do anything. What can we do to be proactive about this?”

My oncologist called me later that night and knew that the email went out. She was very mad that somebody had sent the email to me and that’s how I found out that I had cancer.

She was telling me that the next steps were going to be to remove the rest of that tumor. At that point, they thought that it was only going to be removing two inches of my lung so we were getting ready for that.

Lauren C.
Lauren C.

Treatment

Meeting with the surgeon

They sent me to the surgeon. He was looking through my case and said that they would have to most likely remove the whole lower right lung lobe just because of where the tumor was growing. It was growing so much into that area that they would have to remove it in case it was spread.

For months, I was only prepared for the lower lobe to be removed. They kept telling me all the things that I wouldn’t be able to do after surgery, things I could do after surgery. My lifestyle was going to change forever at the age of 24.

Video-assisted thoracoscopic surgery (VATS)

I went into surgery on March 15th. I woke up with my lower lobe missing and my middle right lobe missing because the tumor just started to regrow into my middle lobe as well as the lower lobe.

After my surgery, they did talk about maybe doing some radiation. But as of right now, it looks like everything is stable so they don’t want to have to put me into treatment as long as I don’t need it.

Video-assisted thoracoscopic surgery is robotic. They used to have to pry open the ribs. They cut in between the rib cages to cut the lung out, pulled it out, put a chest tube in, and stitched it back up.

They wanted me to stay for a week, but I only ended up staying for two days. All these different medications and sleeping.

I kept forcing myself to get up and walk to the nurses’ station and to the end of the hall. I couldn’t stand just laying there and knowing that things were going to change. I wanted to go back to normalcy as soon as possible.

Lauren C.
Lauren C.
Recovering from surgery

I still don’t always feel very recovered. I still get pain in my scar tissues and even down towards my stomach area. They said that’s normal because of my age. My nerve cells are still young and most people who get the surgery are older and their nerve cells are dying so it’s not as painful for them.

They wanted me to stay for a week, but because I was doing so well and forcing myself to get up and move, they sent me home two days after my surgery.

At that point, I forced myself to get up and walk at least five times each day: to the end of the driveway, to the end of the street. Less than two months after my surgery, I did a 5K and ended up winning. I was back doing that within two months.

It was honestly just pure determination. When I was running, I kept thinking my lung was going to explode and I was going to have a heart attack. It was a lung cancer event so there were a bunch of doctors. There’s a bunch of doctors here. If I pass out, I’m going to be totally fine.

It didn’t take as long as I thought or what the doctors thought it was going to take.

Post-surgery results & monitoring

I don’t have any signs of more cancer, which is awesome.

I did CAT scans once every three months and then it was once every six months and now it’s once a year. A lot of going back to the pulmonologist to do follow-up appointments with different medications.

I’m still trying out different inhalers because I still do get very wheezy and very tight, which is normal they said.

Lauren C.
Lauren C.

Life after cancer

Dealing with anxiety from feeling respiratory symptoms

Cold and flu season was coming back around for the first time since I only had one lung and I was so scared. I still wore my mask all the time. Even if I’m going to really public places, I’m still the only person in a mask. I’m still petrified of getting sick.

I had bronchitis maybe three months after my surgery and my doctors said, “Do you need to come to the hospital?” And I said, “I’ll be okay. I’m going to just lay low.”

I had a really bad flu in January 2023; that was really scary. Sometimes when I get very anxious or anything, I can’t breathe and I can’t even speak.

Continuing to process the cancer diagnosis

I’m still processing it. Sometimes I’ll brush up against my scars with my fingers and freak out. What is this on my body? Every day it takes up the majority of my thoughts like, I can’t believe I have one lung and I’m doing this, or, I just did a half marathon in Alaska, and the doctors had told me that I would never run again or that I would never hike again.

Every time I hike a mountain, I feel so proud of myself and so accomplished. Even with just day-to-day things, I’m petrified of what’s going to happen, but then I’m proud of myself that I made it through another day each day. It’s a very strange thing to have.

Lauren C.
Lauren C.
Being able to run & hike again

I had two months of medical leave after my surgery so I had a lot of free time. On my walks, I kept trying to extend them further and further.

The first day after I got home from the hospital, I’d do a quarter mile and then go back, and keep building and building and building.

Somebody in the cancer community reached out to me that there was going to be a 5K for lung cancer called LUNGSTRONG and she wanted to meet up with me. We could walk the 5K. I wanted to run it because the doctors had told me that I would never be able to run. I was 24 and can’t listen to what the doctors say.

On my walks, I would start running the downhills. Then I would start doing the downhills and the flat surfaces. Then I would start adding the hills. By the time of the 5K, I hadn’t built myself up to three miles yet, but I did it.

During the two months I had off, I would go on short hikes with my dog and my boyfriend. Eventually, we built it up to do Mount Washington. I take my time if I need to, but I’m keeping up with everyone who we’re hiking with.

Honestly, I think a lot of it was that I am so young that my body could recover and that I did have a very active and healthy lifestyle before my surgery. What’s left of my right lung is slowly starting to expand back into that space that my two other lobes were removed from so I think that’s helped a lot.

I honestly think it was just a lot of determination and not giving up because cancer can take so much from you. It took my lung, it took part of my breath away, but it can’t take anything else away from me.

Lauren C.
Lauren C.
Managing the risk of respiratory infection

The mask is definitely one thing that I do. I get very mad when I go places with my family and they’re not wearing a mask. Other people in my life will wear a mask just for me so that’s been very awesome and supportive to see other people wearing a mask around me.

When I hear of a certain person I know is sick or something, I stay away. I avoid certain areas a lot.

I’m starting to go back out to things like concerts and on airplanes again. But for a long time, I was absolutely petrified of going anywhere. I would make people go to the grocery store for me. I was afraid to go back to work. I was afraid to do anything. But I work outside, luckily, so I’m okay.

When I had the flu, they gave me certain medications to help shorten the flu symptoms, but I ended up having symptoms for a month straight. When I got bronchitis, I’ll have it for maybe a month or two.

I haven’t had COVID yet, knock on wood, but I’m definitely petrified if I ever get COVID because it’s a disease that attacks your lungs. When I was super sick, it was 2020 and 2021. I was diagnosed in 2022 so I was just so scared to know that I had lung cancer and there’s this disease going around that attacks your lungs.

I had to go to all my doctor’s appointments alone. Luckily, after my surgery, they allowed my parents to come and see me in the hospital. But it was definitely very scary and it still is very scary.

Lauren C.
Lauren C.

The stigma of lung cancer as a smoker’s disease

What I’ve learned from the lung cancer community is that lung cancer can happen to anyone. Even just cancer itself. It’s not biased. It’s not prejudiced. It doesn’t care what you look like. It doesn’t care what race you are, what religion you are, anything. Cancer is cancer and it will attack anyone.

It doesn’t matter if you’ve smoked. It doesn’t matter if you live the healthiest life. You have lungs and anyone with lungs can get lung cancer just like anyone with skin can get skin cancer and anyone with breasts can get breast cancer. It’s just something that happens.

It’s a shame that when I tell people I had lung cancer, a lot of them ask me, “Who in your family smoked?” Or, “How much did you use to smoke?” I never have and no one in my family has so I just really would love to just keep spreading the word that anyone with lungs can get lung cancer. Most of the people that I know with lung cancer have never been a smoker. I think I know one person out of the 50 people I’ve met with lung cancer who has been a smoker.

Lung cancer is on the rise for a lot of young people and females especially. It’s the number one cancer killer in the world. It claims more lives annually than breast cancer, prostate cancer, and colon cancer combined. Nobody seems to really care about it because they just have this assumption.

Being a lung cancer advocate

We learned in high school that you can only get it from smoking and that’s why I went back to my high school and spoke at one of their events to let the kids know it’s so much more than a smoker’s disease. I was only told it was from smoking and I avoided cigarettes my whole entire life. And here I am, you know?

You know your body more than anybody else does. The doctors can see the test results. They can see you physically, but, ultimately, you know your body.

When I was telling everybody that I thought I had lung cancer, even my parents said, “No you don’t.” And I said, “Mom and Dad, you see me coughing up different colors. I’m very sick.” Again, you know your body and you have to push for it.

The doctors want you to get better and they want you to feel better so sometimes, it’s easy to miss something, especially because of your age and your lifestyle.

Lauren C.
Lauren C.

My mom is a nurse and, luckily, she was with me that day that I found out I had a collapsed lung. She kept saying, “Hey, I know this routine. We want a CAT scan and we want it now,” and they kept trying to send us home. “We’ll call you later for the CAT scan,” and my mom said, “We are waiting to put it on the books. We need it now.” If you have to force it, force it. It’s that simple.

They want you to go in and get out as fast as possible so they can take more and more and more patients. A lot of people go to the hospital for help, but you are also there for help. If you need to be pushy and kind of annoying, so be it. You need the help to get it. It’s not simple, but if you need it, you need it.

Follow-up protocol

Then it was just a lot of doctor’s appointments, more PET scans, CAT scans, and X-rays.

Managing scanxiety

When I have my scan days, I take the full day off of work, even if I don’t need it, even if I’m feeling confident, fine, and don’t need the whole day off. I try to make the appointment as early as possible so I can get it over with quickly and spend a day doing things that I want to do.

I’ll get my scan then go and treat myself to fancy coffees only on scan days so it’s something that I look forward to. If I go to a store that I pass by, I allow myself to buy one or two things that I normally wouldn’t buy for myself on a typical day. I allow myself to do that.

I take myself on a trip somewhere; not a big trip, but to the national park nearby or to the mountains or a weekend away somewhere and make it into a celebration as well as something to look forward to. I do have my scan that day, but once I’m done with the scan, I get to go and do this. I have this to look forward to.

Lauren C.
Lauren C.

Words of advice

You are all really so strong. Everyone’s story is different. I know sometimes people, at least the lung cancer community, see me going out, running, hiking, and everything while they’re not. 

Everyone’s story is different. This is my story. I’m still suffering all the time with this, but it’s all ultimately up to you what you do with your story and your message so you can make your mess and make it into a message, honestly.

I run and I hike for people that can’t do it. I do it for my friend who passed away two years ago from lung cancer. She kept telling me, “One day, I want to go up and meet you. Let’s go for a walk. Let’s go for a run. I saw that you did something today and it motivated me to get up and off the couch for the first time in a long time.”

I want to prove to people that doctors can tell you all the things that you can’t do. They have a list of the can’t, can’t, can’t, can’t, can’t. Again, you know your body so if you feel like you can go and do one of those things, do it. Push yourself a little bit harder each and every day.

It’s okay to fail. It’s okay to cry. It’s okay to be upset with this. We have cancer. It sucks. It’s terrible. There’s nothing we can do about the fact that we have cancer, but there’s so much that we can do with the fact that we have cancer and that could be making a positive difference.

Lauren C.

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Hannah’s Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia Story

Hannah’s Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia (CLL) Story

Hannah’s journey with chronic lymphocytic leukemia (CLL) that later developed 17p deletion includes a backdrop of family bonds and healthcare exploration. Amid the pandemic, she and her husband started an at-home bakery. Parallel to her bakery venture, Hannah is a parent to two teenagers who she adopted from foster care.

After her CLL diagnosis, Hannah was propelled to actively engage with healthcare professionals. She pursued second opinions and a CLL specialist, highlighting the importance of informed decisions and collaborative medical approaches.

Her ability to navigate treatment-related hurdles has made her an expert in self-advocacy. She explains how she manages the side effects of ibrutinib (Imbruvica), venetoclax (Venclexta) and why she believes everyone deserves high-quality medical care.


  • Name: Hannah D.
  • Diagnosis:
    • Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia (CLL) with 17p deletion
  • 1st Symptoms:
    • Fatigue
    • High white blood cell (WBC) count
  • Treatment:
    • Ibrutinib (IMBRUVICA))
    • Venetoclax (VENCLEXTA)
      • Monotherapy
      • Rapid ramp up

This interview has been edited for clarity and length. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider for treatment decisions.


Table of Contents
  1. Diagnosis
  2. Finding the Right Doctor
  3. Treatments
  4. Discovering the 17p Deletion
  5. More CLL Patient Stories

Diagnosis

What would the back cover of a book about you say?

It would say “on her third life in the 57 years that she’s been alive.” When COVID happened, my husband and I started an at-home bakery. Something I’ve wanted to do my whole life, and now I’m doing it.

We also never had children biologically, and we are currently in the process of adopting two teen boys from foster care. They are amazing.

I have a fantastic husband who’s an executive chef, and he’s fantastic. I’m completely spoiled by that. I have so many wonderful blessings in my life, but those are just a few of them.

What were the first symptoms of CLL?

I didn’t have any symptoms that I noticed. I dealt with fatigue off and on, and I just thought that was just part of who I am because I don’t really remember a time I didn’t deal with that.

I had seen my general practitioner (GP), and she informed me that I had a high white blood cell count. My response was, “Well, I don’t remember a time where a doctor hasn’t said that to me, and they always followed it up with, ‘Look, it’s nothing. You probably have a little infection getting started, or maybe you’re nervous about being here.'” I never had that white coat syndrome. I was never nervous about going to the doctor, but they always chalked it up to a combination of those things.

Back then, my husband and I had placement of six kiddos from foster care, and he was out of town for training for his new job. My GP said, “Look, I’ve told you that you have a high white blood cell count. I’m setting up an appointment for you with an oncologist.”

I went to the oncologist and had a bone marrow biopsy, and she said, “Yes, you have chronic lymphocytic leukemia.” I said, “I can’t. Don’t have time. My husband’s out of town. I’ve got six highly traumatized kids. Can’t do that. What else could it be?”

She said to me, “Listen. You have two options. You can do treatment or just wait and see what happens. If we do treatment, it might come back in a year, or it might literally never come back. Or you could just watch, hang in, and see what’s going to happen.”

How did it feel to be referred to an oncologist?

My husband was out of town. My next-door neighbor said, “I had a cancer diagnosis once, and I’m sure you’re not going to get that diagnosis, but I’d like to go with you because no one should ever go to a results appointment alone,” and I said, “Well, that sounds like a good idea.”

She came with me, and she heard that diagnosis with me, and again I just responded with, “I can’t. I’ve got six kids. I can’t. But I’ll think about it, treatment or no treatment.”

My doctor said, “In my opinion, let’s be aggressive.” She never explained watch and wait to me or any of those options. It was just: do you want to be aggressive and treat it, or do you just want to wait and see what happens? Well, I want to be aggressive and treat it. I don’t even understand the question. Let’s do it.

On the way home, my kind neighbor, who had the foresight to invite herself to that appointment with me, she said, “You know, Hannah, it sounds like from the little bit that the doctor said, “Thank God you don’t have a worse cancer.”

I always look to the positive during times like this, especially when something is scary, and cancer is scary. No matter what kind of cancer it is, it’s scary. Any disease is scary. But there’s something about that C-word that terrifies us all. My initial response, aside from I don’t have time for that, was just, “All right, let’s do this. Let’s do this thing. Let’s get it over with. Let’s put it behind us.”

Whoever you are. Don’t care what your life is. Don’t care what your disease is. Don’t care if you’re sitting in a prison cell right now. You deserve to be alive and healthy.

Hannah D.
What kind of doctor were you seeing?

I was in New Albany, Indiana, which is basically a suburb of Louisville, Kentucky. I saw a local small-town hematologist. I don’t see her anymore; she is no longer practicing.

The lesson I learned from seeing that first hematologist was very important. First of all, it should have been a red flag from the beginning that she didn’t explain my options to me. She just said, “Here’s your two options.”Had she explained those to me, I would never have chosen to get FCR (fludarabine, cyclophosphamide, and rituximab), which is chemotherapy that’s not really even used for CLL anymore. 

As we have learned about CLL, it learns the treatments and grows stronger. It eventually comes back, and you can’t use that same treatment anymore because the cancer itself has already figured its way around it.

Watch and wait is actually an excellent thing. I know it doesn’t sound like that, but if I’d understood my choices from the beginning, I would not have started treatment.

I’m now on my third line of treatment. I did the FCR. I did four treatments. After the first month, the nurses looked at my blood work and said, “It doesn’t even look like you’ve ever had cancer. This is fantastic.” I asked the hematologist, “Should I continue, or should I stop now?” And she said, “We’re going to do all four. Better to be safe than sorry. We’re going to do all four.” I wish I’d known to dive deeper and ask more questions about what she meant by that.

Then, about a year and a half later, at a follow-up, my hematologist came into the exam room and said, “Well, my dear, it’s time for us to do treatment on you.” 

I said, “Again? Treatment again? Will it be the same treatment?” 

The hematologist said, “Wait a minute. Have we done treatment on you in the past?” I’m going to need my doctor to know what she’s already done with me.

Watch and wait is actually an excellent thing. I know it doesn’t sound like that, but if I’d understood my choices from the beginning, I would not have started treatment.

The hematologist said, “It’s going to be Imbruvica, that’s what we’re going to do, and it’s just a pill. You’ll come here to my office and pick it up every month.”

I said, “Oh, okay. Well, why are we choosing that one?” 

My hematologist responded, “Well, how am I supposed to know? I just know it’s the next line of treatment. There are too many things out there for me to know everything. I just know it’s the next line of treatment.”

I said, “All right. I work full-time. How am I going to figure out how to come to a cancer center that has the same hours as I work to pick it up every month? Isn’t there any way it could be shipped to my home?” 

She said, “No, Imbruvica doesn’t do that. They’ll only ship it here.”

Getting a Second Opinion

I got a second opinion. I went to the University of Louisville because I always liked the idea of a teaching hospital, and that doctor spent almost two hours with me on our initial visit. 

He did say, “Yes, Imbruvica is fantastic, and it is my recommendation to you, but you’re not ready for it. You don’t need it right now. I don’t see any reason for you to start Imbruvica now.” We waited a whole other year before I started on Imbruvica, which I ended up being on for six years.

Get a second opinion. Ask your doctor questions. If you don’t know what questions to ask, find a support group. I was very lucky in the support group I found on Facebook, frankly. I tried a few different support groups, but some of them didn’t fit me. Keep looking until you find the people who speak your language. I found the people who spoke my language, and they will help you with what questions you need to ask because that’s very, very important.

What questions should you ask your doctor on your initial visit?

Regarding the treatment, on that very first visit, where my hematologist gave me those options, I would have asked more questions. I wish I had asked what I was thinking, which was why on earth would someone not jump right into treatment? What are the pros and cons of either choice? That was a really important question to ask, and I didn’t ask it.

Now, knowing the experience I had with her, I don’t know how thorough she would have been in the answer. I feel like she made up her mind. She already knew what she wanted me to do, and I don’t know her reasons for wanting that. I’m just going to leave it at that.

It’s important to have a good relationship with your doctor, and you don’t want to do anything to disrupt that. But I asked her, at the advice of my CLL support group, I brought up the topic of also seeing a CLL specialist.

She reacted negatively. She said, “Well if what you’re wanting is a second opinion, Doctor so-and-so is my partner. We’ll get that second opinion for you.” 

I said, “Well, it could be a second opinion, I guess, but I think it is ongoing. I would like to have my local oncologist and specialist work in concert. Would that be okay?”

She did not react favorably. She invited me to go find another doctor if I wasn’t happy with this, but that she was a local expert.

I let that be her response without really realizing that it should have been my decision right there to leave and find another doctor altogether, not just a second opinion.

That oncologist is no longer practicing. I don’t know why. I don’t know the story about it, but it’s kind of comforting to me. Do you know what that tells me or what I’m letting it tell me? My instincts, in hindsight, about her were accurate, and that’s important. Listen to your instincts.

Finding the Right Doctor

You want someone who’s going to go and have dinner with one of your other doctors and talk about you.

Hannah D.
Is it important to have a care team that works together?

Yes, absolutely. It’s crucial. For a few years, the first couple of years in that support group, all I just kept saying was everybody posting about, “See a specialist, see a specialist,” and I wish I hadn’t taken so long to let that drill into my head.

Now I have a local oncologist right across the river in Louisville who’s amazing and a fantastic specialist who’s about an hour and a half away in Cincinnati, Dr. John Byrd. He is outstanding. Dr. Byrd and my local oncologist, Dr. Stevens, work so well together.

One time, I was visiting Dr. Byrd, and it was one of the early visits with him, and I said, “Now, okay, so Dr. Stevens, he’s able to go in your system, and he can see your notes and everything about me, right?”

He said, “Well, yes, but I’m having dinner with him tonight, so we’ll probably discuss it then. I plan to talk about you.”

That’s kind of funny, but also how personal is that? You want someone who’s going to go and have dinner with one of your other doctors and talk about you — hopefully about your cancer and your situation. Not, “Oh, that Hannah. She asks too many questions.” It’s wonderful how they work together, and they both think so highly of each other. Can I tell you how comforting that is to me? It’s magnificent. It’s a huge part of my treatment for me.

I want to make sure everybody gets this message. I see one of the top 10 specialists in the US, therefore, in the world. I did that on purpose because I deserve to see one of the top 10 specialists in the world, and so do you.

Hannah D.
Why is it important to find a doctor locally in the community who you have a great relationship with?

You’re going to be getting regular blood work. If you want to only have a specialist, I think that’s doable, but you may have to travel to them. If you have someone local who has mutual respect for whatever specialist you choose, that’s really crucial.

In fact, I recently changed my treatment and was admitted to the hospital for one week for precautions. I did go to Cincinnati, where my specialist is, but he even said to me, “If you would prefer to do this locally, I have all the faith in Dr. Stevens and his team at Norton that they can handle this well.” That’s crucial in your treatment, having that type of trust in your providers.

I see Dr. Stevens regularly. Sometimes it’s every three months; sometimes it’s every six months. Over the past year, I was seeing him monthly. I can’t always go to Cincinnati. I’m still working full time, so that’s at least half a day off work, sometimes a whole day off work.

I can just scoot over to Dr. Stevens across the river, get my blood work done, see him, and then get into work. Maybe I’ll miss 2 or 3 hours of work. Maybe I can go early enough that I don’t even miss any work. It’s really good to have those options.

Why is it important to see a CLL Specialist?

I want to make sure everybody gets this message. I see one of the top 10 specialists in the US, therefore, in the world. I did that on purpose because I deserve to see one of the top 10 specialists in the world, and so do you.

Whatever your diagnosis is, find a person who knows the most about it. Find the person who’s at the forefront of treating it and of new treatments because you deserve that if you can travel.

We are not made of money, believe me. My husband and I, we’re both hard workers. But I’ve been so lucky that this guy is only an hour and a half away. If you can find someone, if you have a car, can you get there? If I needed to fly to someone, I think I would try to figure that out. Even if you have to travel to someone, it’s worth it. It is 100% worth it.

People who are in the top 10 are the top 10 for a reason. Who else would you want leading up to your medical care? Whatever your diagnosis, you are worth it. You deserve the best that’s out there.

What if your insurance doesn’t cover the doctor you want to see?

Work with your insurance. When you find someone you want to be one of your providers, call that provider before you call your insurance. What I’ve experienced is — and this has been many years over different insurance companies — that provider will always be listed as one that they cover, but when you call that provider, and you try to get set up for that initial appointment, and you give them your insurance information, they say, “Oh, we don’t accept that. We haven’t accepted that for years.” It’s important to reach out to your provider first. Look for the best. There’s no reason not to. Don’t let anything stop you.

Treatments

Being on ibrutinib (IMBRUVICA)

What was switching to ibrutinib (Imbruvica) like? 

My insurance rejected it. It’s horrifically expensive. It’s something like $16,000 a month. Who do you even know who can afford that? I had to call it off. The hospital said, “No, no, no, no, no, no. That’s just our first attempt. We have other ways.”

They reached out to the makers of Imbruvica, and I was put on a plan called Imbruvica By Your Side, where I paid a $10 co-payment monthly for six years.

I had some really bad side effects, and I remember seeing a lot of different people on the Facebook support groups who said, “Well, I did try the Imbruvica as long as I could, but the side effects were so painful I had to quit.”

I knew from what I was hearing through the research through the hospital that Imbruvica was doing amazing things. I told myself right then and there whatever side effects I have, I’m going to tolerate. I just am, and I’m going to get through, and I’m not going to quit because of how hard the side effects are. I’m not going to quit. I have to give myself every chance here.

Sure enough, I had terribly swollen and painful joints. It was really rough. I also had pretty severe fatigue. You often have fatigue from CLL anyway, so that was a real double whammy.

The first few weeks on it, maybe 2 or 3 months, were pretty rough. I would sit at work with my hands on the mouse with a heating pad on top of that, and half the time, there were just tears in my eyes because it really hurt.

All along, I was telling myself, “I know that the side effects are temporary. As with many medications, the side effects are temporary. That’s going away.” And also, it’s a reminder to me that Imbruvica is at work on my cancer. That pain really was a double-edged sword because it was rough. But it was also my reminder that good things were going on inside of me.

Whatever pain you’re going through, work through it. Don’t look away from it; then you get stiff, and the pain doesn’t leave. 

Hannah D.
How did you work through the initial side effects of ibrutinib?

I learned how to work through those swollen and painful joints because I used to flip furniture. It’s just a hobby that kind of paid for itself because I love doing it. I had this China cabinet that I’d bought months prior that I hadn’t been able to do because I couldn’t hold a paintbrush. I just couldn’t; I couldn’t hold it. I couldn’t make my hand fit around it and embrace it. It was too painful.

My husband, one Saturday morning, got up really early and woke me up and said, “Come on, let’s go. I know how you’ve been depressed because you haven’t been able to work on this China cabinet.”

He had taken a paintbrush and tied a big rag around it. And it worked! I was so happy that about an hour after painting with the giant handle of a paintbrush, I realized I didn’t need it anymore; I was working through that pain.

Within an hour’s time, I took the rag off, and I was holding a paintbrush normally, and I finished painting. That was one of the most transformative moments for me because I knew that whatever I had to deal with, there was always a way to figure out how to deal with it. Those terribly swollen knuckles, I got them all the time, and I figured out how to literally work my knuckles to where it wasn’t so painful.

I’ve kept that lesson with me about a lot of things in my life. Whatever pain you’re going through, work through it. Don’t look away from it; then you get stiff, and the pain doesn’t leave. 

Did the side effects subside, or did you tough through them the entire time?

Probably the first year and a half, maybe even two years, the side effects were still there. After that, they just faded, and I had the occasional bouts of side effects. The side effects were mostly temporary.

What was effective in managing the side effects?

Let me introduce you to my water glass. It sounds funny. I know I sound like everyone’s mother, and I kind of am. I’m a foster mom. Drink water like it’s the only thing keeping you alive.

I have 2 or 3 of these a day during the business day, and that does a few things. Staying hydrated is one of the best things you can do for yourself, whether you’re in treatment or not in treatment. It really does a lot for you.

What made your doctor want to switch you on to ibrutinib?

My white blood cell count just kept climbing and climbing, and my fatigue just had a big impact on me. There was a point where my office was in a far corner of the universe of my office building, and when I would have to go to the ladies’ room, I was so tired. I would get up and walk outside my office door to go to the ladies’ room, which was maybe 20 steps, and I would already have to sit down. I would rest for a moment. Then I would get up, and I would purposely take a long way because it was a back hallway where people didn’t usually go. I had to lean on the wall the whole time because I was that fatigued.

Is it important to mention the little changes happening between visits?

Absolutely, It’s really crucial. You might experience some symptoms and side effects and or whatever that you think, “Well, this is just part of it. The doctor must already know I’m dealing with this because it’s part of CLL.”You have to say those things even if you think it might seem he already knows all this; there’s no point in bringing it up. You must tell him or her everything you’re feeling.

The symptoms that you’re experiencing are meaningful. They might be temporary. It might be one of those things that come and go and to be expected, or it might be a sign of disease advancement. It’s important to be vocal and have a good line of communication with your provider.

Can you describe why another treatment decision had to be made after six years?

At about four years, my numbers started not responding quite as well as they had in the past. My local oncologist and my specialist had said to me, “We know that Imbruvica is eventually going to fail you, and it’s begun. That has begun. It’s still doing very well. But we need to start talking about what changes we’ll make in the future.” It was exactly as they said. It’s interesting because they said, “Imbruvica is beginning to fail you.”

At that point, there was a mix-up between the specialty pharmacy and my insurance company. They have to go and file it every month, even though it’s going to be a rejection. It’s just part of the process, and I went for four days without taking Imbruvica.

I think my CLL was getting so much worse; being off Imbruvica for four days, I almost ended up in the emergency room. I was so ill from it. My lymph nodes got big. I started having lymph nodes swell and be very painful in places I did not know I had lymph nodes. I couldn’t lie back on a pillow because the back of my head was in pain. It was horrible.

In my mind, “Oh, Imbruvica is really failing me,” but look what it was still doing for me while I was taking it. While it became obvious that it was going to soon be time to switch treatments, it was also comforting to know it was still doing something for me.

Being on Venetoclax (VENCLEXTA)

What conversations did you have with your doctors about changing your treatment regimen?

In the beginning, venetoclax was always thrown in there. There were some trials we discussed, and I was very interested. I love a good trial, and I think they’re fantastic.

Then I started thinking, “In a way, I feel like I was already in a trial, and it didn’t work by seeing my first oncologist,” which FCR was great at the time, but I shouldn’t have done that.

At this point, I wanted to go for something a little more proven. We discussed venetoclax. There was another trial at the time where my specialist said, “We’ll do venetoclax, for sure, but there’s a very interesting trial in China that I think is going to be a game changer for everyone.”

However, it failed in China because the dosage was not high enough, which is exactly what they predicted. Over here, the FDA did not approve the higher dosage. That trial was not ready for me yet.

He said to me, “Venetoclax is what we’ve been talking about all along. I think it’s tailor-made for you.” In fact, when I was in the hospital getting my rapid ramp-up of venetoclax, he came into my room and said, “You are responding immediately to venetoclax. This is actually quite remarkable.”

I don’t even remember what my white blood cell count was when I went to the hospital. I think it was in the 50,000s, which we know really shouldn’t be over 10,000, or something is wrong. On the third day in the hospital, my white blood cell count was 5,000. You can imagine how amazing that feels.

I went the other day for a checkup, and it’s at 4,000. It’s impressive, and it’s amazing. But Dr. Byrd said to me, “Let’s look at maybe eight, nine months at the most on this, and then we’ll look at a good 2 or 3 full remission. What do you think?” And I said, “Well, I think yes! Let’s do it!” That just shows again that Dr. Byrd is trustworthy, as trustworthy as a doctor can be. I have faith in him, and it proved to be a good decision.

Why did your doctor want to put on venetoclax instead of a combination therapy?

He gave me the basics, which is if he couples venetoclax with something else, we don’t want to expose me to too many types of treatment for this because of the nature of CLL. He’d like to be able to have future options, and I’d like him to have future options.

Venetoclax is working amazingly. Again, that just proves him right. I know that I made the right decision in trusting the right person. He gave me enough information at the time to help me understand it, and I’ve let go of that because there’s been no point for me to hold on to all that.

Describe the ramp-up with venetoclax

The options are either you do the rapid ramp-up in the hospital, and after the week, you’re up to your dose. There’s the other option where you go once a week or maybe even once a month, and you have to be in the hospital for a day or two each time you go.

My doctor said, “This is the way we do it here. You spend as much time in the hospital when you stay here for the first week or when you go and spread it out over however many weeks or months, you spend just as much time in the hospital, but you’re not driving back and forth every time for every visit.” 

He said, “I like having the view of you and your body and your response the entire time when you when you come, and you get a treatment, and then you leave, and you come back for another week.” 

He explained to me that the wing we would be in is not the ICU, but it is treated just like the ICU. While mask restrictions and COVID restrictions have been lifted everywhere else on the planet, not so much in this ward so I knew I’d be safe there for a week.

Did you experience side effects with venetoclax?

The idea was that I would be on Imbruvica for maybe a month or two or four at the most and then taper off of that. Well, I had such strong gastric issues between venetoclax and having both venetoclax and Imbruvica, and I was concerned because it was severe.

My doctor said, “You’re responding so well to venetoclax. I think you’re having this severe issue because you’re on both. So let’s go ahead and say goodbye to Imbruvica.”

Within a couple of days, I was completely healed from that. That was a huge concern of mine because I couldn’t leave the house. I do have some strong fatigue that I deal with, but it’s already lightening up. So is my dizziness, which I think is almost gone; that’s something I’ve had to deal with vertigo for years with Imbruvica. I didn’t know if it was CLL or Imbruvica, frankly, but that’s almost gone. That’s been pretty amazing for me. 

I just remind myself that whatever I might be feeling, which could be a side effect or a symptom, is likely temporary. I still talk to my doctor about it every time.

What was the ramp-up with venetoclax like?

The day I arrived at the hospital, it was a Monday, and they gave me my first pill that day. I was on 100 mg. Then, the next day, they doubled it, and the next day they tripled it. Then, on the fifth day, I was on 400 mg, and that’s my desired dose, which is where I am. 

I did the first day, you know, brought my full set up for my office so I could just work from the hospital. The first day was great, and I worked and got some good hours in.

Then the second day, I woke up, and I was like, oh, I’m a little sleepy, but I’ll do this. I walked over to where I had my whole little office set up in the corner of the hospital room, and I couldn’t focus. I was nodding off and thought, Well, I’ve just had a terrible night’s sleep in a hospital bed. That’s going to be part of it. 

Then, the next day, it was even worse. I could not focus. I just couldn’t. I live in an Excel spreadsheet. That’s my happy place. And I knew when I was trying to do some work in Excel, and I just couldn’t focus. Couldn’t figure out where I was in that sheet or what I was doing. I’m used to working with some pretty advanced and intricate spreadsheets. I got really down, and I started to tear up in the hospital bed because now you’re taking away my livelihood and the way I spend my days. Don’t take my ability to master Excel away from me.

I just needed a moment. Don’t dwell on things, but I knew I needed a moment. So I started to tear up. And in walks rounds. They’re doing rounds into the hospital rooms, and it’s the changing of the nurses. So I’ve got all the doctors doing rounds and all the nurses, the outgoing and the incoming. I’m sitting there teary and frail feeling, and I got this immediate, ‘Wait a minute. What’s happening here? You have a positive attitude and are patient. You’re always so cheerful. You have the best attitude.’ I would go and walk up and down the hallway, and they love that. They would cheer me on, and they were happy to see that. So when they saw me sitting in my hospital bed tearing up, feeling frail, they said it was like the record scratched.

When my liver has a break from processing those oncology meds for two or three years, that will be fantastic. 

They all said, What? Talk to us. What’s happening? And I just said, What I just told you. I can’t focus. I’m feeling like I can’t function in my life the way I need to function. They all responded to me with; you are not realizing what your body is going through right now. Your body is doing big, big things, probably bigger than it has ever done before. And so I gave myself that. I gave myself that. So that was a comfort to hear all of them say that – the nurses, the doctors, everyone. They were so supportive but had to realize that my body was, I don’t want to say, taking a hit, but that sure is how it felt.

The way they put it is best. My body was doing big things. You know, they said this is an oncology med, not a new headache medicine. You forget that because you’ve taken Imbruvica for six years as though you’re taking Advil. You don’t think about it. You take it. It works fantastic. But you just have forgotten. This is huge, and you’re okay. This is quite expected for what you’re going through. So that was comforting to me. But that’s that’s what I dealt with. And I still have lingering fatigue. It’s getting better every single day.

What is the everyday regimen like with venetoclax?

I take it at night. I was told it might cause some issues. It’s good to take it at night because [you can sleep] through. I haven’t had any issues, so I started out taking it in the morning, and then I heard that some people recommend taking it at night. So I did that. And that’s not been an issue for me.

Did taking venetoclax make you think about your future differently?

I know that this is CLL, and it’s chronic. So I’m not confused about the fact that I might get a 2 or 3-year remission out of this. Don’t confuse that with the cure. I think I started thinking of my life differently when I was first diagnosed ten years ago, and that was sort of at work in me when I didn’t even recognize it. But I did start doing things a little differently. The thought that venetoclax is going to be a limited duration for me like that lets my body have a break for a while. I’m on a lot of other meds, too, for high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, etc. So, let my body have a break. When my liver has a break from processing those oncology meds for two or three years, that will be fantastic. 

Also, as we like to say in our house, #StillCOVID, for us, COVID’s not gone; I have to wear a mask everywhere I go. The thought that I’ll be a little less high-risk during those two to three years is really,  it’s really appealing. So I’m really looking forward to that, and I’m already appreciative for what I know is going to happen.

Discovering the 17p Deletion

What have you learned?

Find the specialist. My husband has a diagnosis right now where there are no specialists supposedly in the world, so we’re trying to find the next best thing. Nobody really specializes in his disease. That’s not stopping us from looking for the people who know best how to treat it. 

Also, look for cutting-edge stuff. Just remember that you deserve that. There’s no good reason. Whoever you are. Don’t care what your life is. Don’t care what your disease is. Don’t care if you’re sitting in a prison cell right now. You deserve to be alive and healthy. You deserve to have the person who knows the most about your disease, advise you, and treat you if possible.

Suppose you are running into roadblocks with your, say, your insurance. Ask that specialist. All right. Well, what? You can’t be my usual doctor. My insurance isn’t going to pay for it. What can you leave me with? What do you want me to know? What are the most important things you want me to leave here knowing, even though I’m not going to be coming back? You know, get out there and get what you can get. Information, education, knowledge. Go get it. Go get every piece, every piece of knowledge that’s not nailed down. Get it and bring it home with you.

What was it like picking up the 17p deletion?

When I went to Dr. Byrd for the first time, the specialist in Cincinnati, the nurse practitioner, was looking at my blood results. She said, ‘Now, had you already been told you have 17p deletion?’ I said, ‘What? No. Do I?’ And she said, “You do.”

That was hard for me to hear. I know through these ten years of support groups, I know people with 17p deletion who have died. I always used to say to myself, well, at least I don’t have 17p deletion or one of those horrible markers. That was a really scary moment for me. Dr. Byrd came into the room, and he said, “I’m sorry.” I said, ‘I don’t want you to say that to me. I don’t want to hear my doctor go; I’m sorry. No, I want to hear my doctor say, ‘Well, the 17p deletion isn’t the problem it used to be.’

And he stopped me right there, and he said, “I care, and I want you to know I’m sorry. But before you say another word, just so you don’t think I’m saying this because you want me to, 17p deletion is not as scary as it used to be. So many treatments that we have now make that a non-issue or less much, much less of an issue.”

He said, “As I’m sure you know, treatments are getting better all the time. This is a very big area of study. There’s going to be more and more and more in the future, so don’t let the 17p deletion make you feel like this is a death sentence because it is absolutely not. That is false. Get that out of your head.”

I didn’t have it in the beginning. I picked it up along the way. Now, who’s to say when that happened? We don’t know. We don’t know when that happened, but I had a FISH test in the beginning and did not have 17p deletion at the time. I guess mine is aggressive, but, you know, so is science.


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Kelly’s Stage 3 Colorectal Cancer Story

Kelly’s Stage 3 Colorectal Cancer Story

About to give birth to her first child, Kelly, and her doctors assumed her new digestive symptoms were related to her pregnancy. After having her son, Kelly’s symptoms of constipation, blood in her stool, fluctuating appetite, and weight loss worsened. Multiple doctors wrote it off as internal hemorrhoids, but Kelly continued to search for answers. 

After several doctor visits, Kelly finally found a doctor who was willing to listen and ordered her a colonoscopy. It was at this colonoscopy she learned she had a tumor in her colon, beginning her journey with stage 3 colorectal cancer

Kelly shares her story with us and how being 1 of 4 patients in a successful Dostarlimab clinical trial helped her avoid radiation and surgery, why it’s important to trust your gut, and her journey through preserving fertility. She is now cancer-free and has just given birth to a beautiful baby girl.

Kelly shares her colorectal cancer symptoms and clinical trial details
  • Name: Kelly S.
  • Diagnosis (DX):
  • Staging: 3
  • Symptoms:
    • Constipation
    • Blood in stool
    • Abnormal-smelling stool
    • Fluctuating appetite
    • Weight loss
  • Treatment:
    • Clinical trial
      • 9 rounds of Dostarlimab
 Kelly's colorectal cancer timeline

Give yourself grace. It’s the biggest thing. Everyone has different seasons in life. Whether it’s cancer or something else that you’re going through that’s traumatic, upsetting, or hard, give yourself grace.

Kelly S.

This interview has been edited for clarity. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider for treatment decisions.


Symptoms

Tell us about yourself
Kelly is a colorectal cancer survivor

My name is Kelly Spill. I now go by Kelly Bonito since I got married, but I like to go by Kelly Spill. I’m a mom, I’m a wife, and I am in network marketing because I want to be home with my kids as much as I can and spend time with them because I’ll never get that time back. I’m also a cancer survivor.

What were your first symptoms?

My symptoms began when I was 8 months pregnant with my son. I had no idea that they were symptoms of the cancer that I had. I thought that it was because I was giving birth in a month. As a new mom, I had no idea what my body was truly going through, what to expect, or anything like that. The doctors basically said the same thing. They were like, “You’re giving birth in a month. This is kind of what happens with your body. It’s nothing to worry about.” Looking back, that’s definitely where my symptoms began. Some constipation and blood in my stool.

Did you experience digestive issues like this before?

Nope, never. I told them and they just brushed it off. 

Did your symptoms improve after having your son?

When you’re not feeling yourself, you keep telling someone you’re not feeling yourself, they’re hearing “new mom,” and they go right to internal hemorrhoids, you start to think that that’s what’s going on because you start to question yourself.

After I had my son, it was the same thing. It didn’t get better by any means and it didn’t necessarily get worse right away. 

When I told them what was going on, they still said the same thing, “You just had a baby. Things are still a little bit out of whack. This is the way it goes. If it persists, give us a callback and let us know.” About a month and a half or so after my postpartum checkup I ended up calling them again. I went back and they gave me an exam and the doctor said, “I’m 99.9% positive you have internal hemorrhoids.” It caught me off guard because when I gave birth, I didn’t have any hemorrhoids at that point. But as a new mom, I really didn’t know much. I was like, maybe they disappeared.

Kelly's doctors assumed her symptoms were related to her recent pregnancy

He said, “If this persists, go see a primary doctor.” I said, okay, and it did. I wasn’t feeling right. I don’t really know what I was feeling but I just wasn’t feeling like me. I went to go see a doctor. She took my blood work and gave me an exam. She said, “I’m pretty sure you have internal hemorrhoids.” My blood work came back fine, so that was a little confusing. 

When you’re not feeling yourself, you keep telling someone you’re not feeling yourself, they’re hearing “new mom,” and they go right to internal hemorrhoids, you start to think that that’s what’s going on because you start to question yourself. 

»MORE: Signs of Medical Gaslighting as a Cancer Patient

Shifting focus away from health

Time went on a little bit. My husband and I were living in San Diego, California at the time and I was like, I’m just gonna put this aside a little bit. Let’s worry about our move. We have a newborn at home. Let me get back to the East Coast, closer to family, and hopefully, things will get better. I pushed my health aside for a few months.

Kelly stopped worrying about her health
Did you feel like you were being heard by your doctors? 

As a new mom, I really just didn’t know anything. I don’t know a lot about the internal of the body and what’s going on when you have a baby. There’s a part of me that was like, okay, that makes sense. Then there’s another part of me that felt like something was wrong. I’m stuck in the middle, which made me think, let me just worry about what I have in front of me, and then I’ll get to that when I get to that.

Her symptoms worsened

My appetite went away…I weighed about 115 pounds at that time. Losing that much was a lot for me and it just didn’t seem right.

Kelly lost 7-8 pounds which was unusual for her

We ended up moving cross-country, which was stressful in itself. I’m sure the stress didn’t play a very positive part in the process, but we moved back. By that time, my son was 5 months old. Between him being 5 months and 8 months old, my symptoms got way worse. The constipation got worse, the blood got worse. 

Something that stuck out to me was the smell that I was smelling. That’s always a little embarrassing for me to say, but I’ve learned that when I have said that, this is actually something that other people have experienced as well with this cancer. So I do like to say that. It was almost like a sewer smell. It’s something that I’ve never smelled before. 

On top of that, I would lose my appetite. I’d be really, really hungry and then I would bite one thing and I’m like, I’m full. I don’t want this anymore. My appetite went away. I’m assuming that’s why I lost about 7 to 8 pounds. I weighed about 115 pounds at that time. Losing that much was a lot for me and it just didn’t seem right. I would wake up every morning and be like, I don’t feel good. I never feel good. 

Searching for Answers

She said, “You need a colonoscopy, don’t you?” I was like, yes, desperately. She said no problem. She got me the referral. I got an appointment that next week at a GI…and that day, I found out that I had a tumor.

Did you talk to family or friends about your symptoms? 

I told my husband one day, I just don’t feel right. I don’t know what’s going on, but I don’t feel right. I will always remember that moment he was like, “Is it because you don’t want to go to work?” I’m like, I would love to not go to work. But no, it’s not the reason. I just don’t feel good and I don’t know what it is. I also have cramping as well. 

There was one day I was getting ready for work. I went to the bathroom, I looked down, it was not that time of the month for me, and there was an alarming amount of blood. That’s when I was like, something’s wrong. Throughout this process, I was taking pictures of what was happening in the bathroom because it was just so not right. Of course, I tell my mom everything. I think a lot of us probably do if we have a good relationship with our mom. I’m sending her pictures, and that day I sent her a picture of that. I was like, Mom, what’s going on? 

Kelly noticed a large amount of blood one day

I went to the bathroom, I looked down, it was not that time of the month for me, and there was an alarming amount of blood.

What happened on your trip to the E.R.?

Because we moved across the country, health insurance was a problem for us. He’s my husband now, but we were not married then, so I did not have good health insurance, so I couldn’t see a primary doctor. There was no one there to take me. She said, “You know what? We’re going to the hospital. We’re going to the E.R.” 

I went to the E.R., and the same thing happened. They heard that I was a new mom. He said, “You probably have internal hemorrhoids. Lay off the spicy foods,” and told me what other foods to lay off. He took my blood work that day and it came back fine. Then he called a family clinic for me to get me in there quicker to talk to someone there. 

I left and I was like, every time I say I’m a new mom, there isn’t any thought process to what I was going through. It was like, bam, internal hemorrhoids. That’s always something that I’ll remember, being pushed off by so many doctors.

Kelly was told in the E.R. that she likely has internal hemorrhoids
Did you get any scans done at the E.R.?

No. I wish I got a CAT scan that day at the hospital. They could have given me one. If they did, they probably would have seen something, but they didn’t.

A nurse encouraged her to keep searching for answers

I went to a family clinic and saw a very nice doctor. Something I’ll never forget is one of the nurses who brought me back said, “If you don’t find your answer here, you know your body best. Keep searching.” I wish I remembered her name at the time because I would go back and say thank you. It really resonated with me. You do know your body best and don’t want anyone else to tell you differently. 

I saw him, I ended up sending in a stool sample. Nothing really came of that visit. I feel like, looking back, that’s why I was there, to talk to that nurse. From that moment on, I kept talking about how it’s feeling to friends and family. I was very skinny at that point, so everyone was wondering why. I kept saying, I really don’t feel well. 

One of the nurses who brought me back said, “If you don’t find your answer here, you know your body best. Keep searching.”

Getting a referral for a colonoscopy
Kelly finally received a referral for a colonoscopy

Finally, someone said to me, I know a primary doctor. She takes your insurance. She’s really good, give her a call. That’s exactly what I did. I went in, I showed her the pictures of what was going on. No questions asked, she said, “You need a colonoscopy, don’t you?” I was like, yes, desperately. She said no problem. She got me the referral. I got an appointment that next week at a GI and had that colonoscopy the next day. I didn’t eat anything because it was an early appointment and that day, I found out that I had a tumor.

»MORE: What it’s really like to get a Colonoscopy

Did you suspect you could have cancer? 

Because I didn’t feel well for so long, because I was losing so much weight, my appetite was lost, and all these other things were happening, I had a feeling that it wasn’t going to be good. You just kind of know. 

»MORE: What Does Cancer Feel Like?

Diagnosis

After my colonoscopy, I went home. I felt my emotions. I cried, then I put them aside…I was like, I can’t let them take over me right now because this is going to be a process.

Kelly didn't process her emotions after her tumor was discovered
Awaiting biopsy results

When I went through the colonoscopy and I came out, the doctor came in, and he said, “You have a mass tumor.” He couldn’t tell me if it was cancerous at that point. They did a biopsy. The way he was talking to my mom and me, we knew it wasn’t good. My mom said, “Should we call Sloan or do you have a suggestion on what to do next?” He said, “Absolutely. Start calling people. The best thing to do is get a CAT scan somewhere and have something to show along with this colonoscopy. We’ll be giving you a call in about 2 weeks to let you know if you have cancer or not.” That was the longest 2 weeks ever. I had a feeling that I did have cancer because of the way I’ve been feeling. Still, anytime my phone lit up, I’m like, is this it?

Kelly learned she had a tumor after her colonoscopy

It happened about a week and a half after. I always remember because the day I got my colonoscopy was actually my husband’s birthday. Those dates are always in my head from that moment on. My mom and I were in Walmart, trying to get our minds off things, just looking around. I don’t think we went for anything special, just to get out of the house. I got the call in Walmart and was like, alright, I have cancer. My mom and I had a feeling and we were like, alright, what’s next? 

How did you react to your cancer diagnosis

After my colonoscopy, I went home. I felt my emotions. I cried, then I put them aside. We went out to dinner. I was like, I can’t let them take over me right now because this is going to be a process. 

Choosing a hospital for cancer care

That day, my mom was very on it with a lot of things. I’m so thankful for that. She said, “Okay, I’m going to start researching. We’re going to pick 3 hospitals to go to. We’re going to see where we feel comfortable. We’re going to hear out what they all have to say, and then we’re going to choose.” That was our plan. We also had my aunt researching a bunch of places as well. Thankfully, I have a very great support system. 

We didn’t make it to 3 hospitals. Sloan was our first stop and our last stop. I felt like family from the day that I walked in there. That’s where it really all began.

Kelly and her family began researching which hospital to attend and chose Sloan Kettering
Getting married and resolving insurance issues

I don’t think I really processed anything until afterward, which was a whole other side of having cancer. We had so many things to cross off our list that it was always, what’s next? Time was ticking and I felt so sick. 

We also had a health insurance issue. From finding out I had cancer when I got the call, before going to Sloan, my husband and I had to get married because I had to get on his health insurance. So at the time, we couldn’t get in anywhere. Nobody would marry us, everyone was full, and everyone was booked. My mom goes to a church around here and she called someone and was like, I really don’t think that she’s going to marry you because you didn’t go through the whole process of the marriage meetings that they do in the church. She ended up calling the pastor there and asked, “Can you please marry them?” After hearing her story she said, absolutely. 

Kelly did not have great insurance
As a teacher, her boyfriend at the time did have good insurance
Kelly married her now husband and received better insurance

We quickly got married a few days later. It was a random Monday in January and I was able to hop on my husband’s family insurance plan. He’s a teacher, thankfully, but it was still tough because we were paying $1,700 a month from that moment on until last October. We’re a new family starting out, we just had a baby, we just moved across the country, I now don’t have a job, I’m going through cancer, and now we’re also paying rent. This is like half our rent, how much we’re paying for health insurance a month. There was always something that we were worrying about more than having time to process what was going on.

Kelly discusses the financial toxicity of cancer treatment

I don’t think I really processed anything until afterward, which was a whole other side of having cancer. We had so many things to cross off our list that it was always, what’s next? Time was ticking and I felt so sick.

»MORE: Financial Toxicity of Cancer Treatment

Receiving an official diagnosis 

After we got married, I ended up going to Sloan a couple of days later in New York City. My surgeon told me I had stage 3 colorectal cancer. The tumor is 1 centimeter from my anal opening. I most likely will never be able to carry a baby again, and I will most likely have a colostomy bag for the rest of my life.

Every little thing he was telling me, I’m taking it in. I’m like, okay. Then I said to him, “My husband and I were supposed to elope in Switzerland this summer. Can I at least go to Switzerland this summer?” He was like, “No. Absolutely not.” That’s when I lost it. That’s when my bubble burst. Was that really what upset me? Definitely not. But that was what made everything go over the edge. That’s when I lost it. I remember being like, I’m okay, I’m all right. We’re gonna get through this. But what made me feel really bad is, I bring this guy that I meet in California, home to New Jersey. We have this baby, and we’re not even fully married yet, or we were just married, and now I can’t even bring another baby into this world with him. I felt so bad for him as well because it’s such a tough situation, I felt.

My surgeon told me I had stage 3 colorectal cancer. The tumor is 1 centimeter from my anal opening. I most likely will never be able to carry a baby again, and I will most likely have a colostomy bag for the rest of my life.

Treatment

Kelly's doctor discussed fertility preservation
Did your doctor discuss fertility with you? 

He did talk about it. He talked about pinning my ovaries. The reason I wouldn’t be able to carry my baby again was because of the radiation and where it was going to be. It was all in my lower area and everything would be all fried up so I would go into early menopause. The pinning of the ovaries is a chance that it wouldn’t happen, so that was a decision that we were also planning on making. Do we do that? Do we not do that? What’s the best thing to do? That was a hard decision. 

Kelly chose to freeze her embryos

He did say I had time to go through fertility and freeze embryos or eggs. I did have some time to do that so that was our next step. It was the fertility first, then it was going to be chemo, then radiation, oral chemo, and then surgery.

We went to RMA and we started the shots. We chose to do embryos, and that was the most painful part of my cancer journey by far. I had the eggs growing in my ovaries. Then I had my tumor sitting a centimeter from my anal opening. Because of where it was sitting and everything growing here, everything was so enlarged. I also feel like after I had a colonoscopy, it irritated it a little bit. I was in the most pain in my life. I remember there were times that I’d have to go lay down and I was in a fetal position. There was nothing I could do. Or I would sit in a hot bath but it was the most painful part of my journey by far.

»MORE: Fertility After Cancer Diagnosis

From there, a little bit of light came. I got the call that we got 4 embryos. That was really nice to hear. Especially as a woman, you’re like, at least I have that. It was fun to hear that we had 2 girls and 2 boys frozen. It shed some light, some happiness in our house. After that, it was game time. 

What were the next steps in your cancer treatment? 

The way that he talked about what I’d be feeling, what I’d be experiencing physically, and how it would change my sex life, was really, really hard to hear. Going through my whole cancer journey, that appointment is what scarred me.

Speaking with a radiologist scarred Kelly

I had my next appointment at Sloan. I talked to my oncologist. They’re so amazing. They’re so family. We talked a lot about emotions. We talked a lot about how are you feeling, what’s going on physically, mentally, and always checking in. She said, “Alright, next appointment we are going to be talking about putting a date on treatment.” 

In between there, I was also seeing the gynecologist because we were talking about pinning up my ovaries still. So I was doing some things in between. We decided to not do that. Then that next appointment we were making it for chemo, oral chemo, radiation, and surgery, but we were really just focusing on the chemo part. 

I did talk to a radiation doctor which was one of the scariest appointments that I had. The way that he talked about what I’d be feeling, what I’d be experiencing physically, and how it would change my sex life, was really, really hard to hear. Going through my whole cancer journey, that appointment is what scarred me. I’m glad that it wasn’t something that was going to be happening right away and that we focused on one thing at a time. 

Joining the Dostarlimab clinical trial

We decided we had nothing to lose, so let’s go for it. At that time, I was the fourth person in the whole country to go on this drug.

Kelly agreed to join a clinical trial

We were about to start chemo and we had an appointment for March 4th. At that appointment, I had a research nurse come and she mentioned that they may have another option for me. My mom was with me as well and we were open to hearing it. We went into another room, we sat, and she presented this trial drug to us. When you’re so sick and – I was also 28 – you’re young, there are big words that are being used. There are so many things that they’re talking about that I have no idea what’s going on. It’s hard to understand. 

My mom was sitting there with a notebook, writing things down, ready to research it later. She explained things as much as she could, but there wasn’t a lot of research on this drug because it’s a trial drug. Mom and I looked at each other, we’re like, out of all the things that she just said, the symptoms don’t sound as bad as chemotherapy. Should we give it a whirl? We decided we had nothing to lose, so let’s go for it. At that time, I was the fourth person in the whole country to go on this drug.

At the time, I knew it as a bunch of letters and numbers. It didn’t have a name yet. It’s Dostarlimab. There were 3 people in front of me and I didn’t really know much about it at that time. I had no idea the people in front of me, what their process was. I had no idea what this drug could do for someone at that point.

How were you selected for this clinical trial?
Only 5-10% are a match for the clinical trial drug Kelly was on

My tumor had a test for a certain gene, a certain mutation. I’m not sure what it is off the top of my head, so I always have my mom here, but it’s some kind of MMR deficiency. They also tested me for Lynch syndrome as well. I ended up not having Lynch syndrome. I know that people that were on this drug or are on this drug, do.

The tests were already done, which is why they were able to present me with the opportunity. They knew that I was a match for it. From what I know with colorectal cancer, only 5 to 10% of people are able to go on this drug that are a match. It’s a very low percentage, but you never know if you are a match. 

Signing the papers, I was so sick that I barely remember a lot of that. My mom did a lot of it, she helped me. I don’t know how people go through cancer, not having someone who can sit there and do that with them. I don’t know where I would be without my mom doing that. Anyone who does go through that, I give you so many props. 

After that, it was 9 treatments, 1 every 3 weeks, and it was only for 30 minutes.

Was it an infusion treatment?

Yes, I did have a port.

How did you feel being 1 of 4 on this clinical trial? 

I don’t think I processed that. Being young, being so sick, being in so much pain, it was like, alright, cool, let’s just get started. At that time, I also didn’t process what goes behind the clinical trial drug. Really, what is it? All I knew is that they didn’t know a lot about what could happen. That’s the only thing that I knew. At that time, I was like, let’s just see what happens here.

Kelly didn't fully process that she was only 1 of 4 people on her clinical trial
Did you experience side effects from this drug?

I didn’t have any side effects. If anything, I was a little tired. I don’t know if that’s because I was also a mom with a very young baby or if I was very tired from having cancer and being sick. But I didn’t have any side effects. 

It was a 30-minute transfusion. Every time I was there, I was not there for hours. I didn’t have to bring it home with me. I wasn’t worried about losing my hair, which was really nice. I didn’t have any burning sensations. One thing they were always checking was my thyroid to make sure that the levels were okay because that was something that could be off. They said if something were to happen with my thyroid, I would be taking a pill for the rest of my life. I always said that’s fine with me. If that’s the worst thing that comes from this, I can deal with that. Other than that, I didn’t feel any side effects.

Was the drug effective in treating your cancer? 
Early results showed the clinical trial Kelly was on was successful

“There are 3 other people in front of Kelly who have been on this drug. Those 3 people’s tumors disappeared by the end of treatment 9.”

I had my first treatment, then 3 weeks later I had my second treatment. After that one, I was feeling a lot better. I didn’t know if that was great or not great. I was just in the moment of, okay, I feel good today. 

This is definitely TMI, but it’s always great to share that kind of stuff. I felt myself. I was in the bathroom for a long time – not constipated, the other way around. I remember calling my mom saying, is this normal? Is this okay? She called Sloan and they were like, “This is a great sign. It means that her body is flushing out what’s been clogged for so long.” I was like, okay. 

After all that happened and I came out of the bathroom I’m like, wow. I feel like a whole new person here. It’s crazy because that was only the second treatment. By the fourth treatment, my tumor was halfway gone and we did a PET scan, we did an MRI, and then we also did sigmoidoscopy, and they always do a biopsy. They do 3 for research and one for them. Looking at the camera when they were doing the sigmoidoscopy, the doctor was like, “Your tumor is halfway gone.” That’s something that we did not expect to hear. It was amazing to hear that. 

I had to get blood work done that day. Usually, I don’t get blood work done in New York. My mom was there and one of the research nurses came up to her and said, “I don’t know if you know about any of this, but there are 3 other people in front of Kelly who have been on this drug. Those 3 people’s tumors disappeared by the end of treatment 9.” My mom told me this. She’s like, “I didn’t know if I should tell you. I don’t want to get your hopes up.” I remember that moment we walked out of New York when she was telling me, and we were walking on the street and we both started crying. We also were like, we don’t want to jinx it, so we don’t want to tell anybody. Of course, we did tell our family after that because it’s hard to keep that secret. 

As exciting as it is to hear, I always looked on the other side. I am only number 4 on this drug. I don’t know if it’s going to work for me. I don’t know if I’m going to be one of those people that my tumor is going to disappear and I don’t want to get my hopes up. So as excited as I was, I always had that little bit of reality of, I’m not sure what was going to happen.

Survivorship

Never let yourself down. Know how important your body is because you do know yourself best and your gut feelings follow them. They’re there for a reason.

Maintaining a positive mindset
Kelly's tumor was getting smaller

After that, we continued with scans, sigmoidoscopy, and treatment. The tumor was slowly getting smaller at that point. As exciting as that was, radiation was still on the table for me. A lot of times when I had moments to myself and I was really thinking about things, I was still thinking, am I ever going to be able to have a baby again? I’m a very strong-minded person, so when I go through these thoughts, it’s usually just me, myself, and I, and I go heavy on what I’m thinking about. I’m like, okay, we’re going to see what’s going to happen and stay positive. There’s going to be a light at the end of the tunnel no matter what it is. There’s going to be some type of positivity within this journey of mine. That’s really what brought me through my cancer was my mindset and my positivity. 

What were the results after you finished cancer treatments?

By treatment 9, my tumor had disappeared. It was amazing to hear. I’ll always remember that the radiation doctor called me. I’m on the phone with him and he’s like, “Alright, we set up your appointment for radiation,” and talked a little bit about that. I’m a huge introvert. I don’t ever ask questions about anything. I always feel like I’m annoying somebody, but I’m thinking, why am I still going through radiation? There’s no tumor. I actually said something which is so out of my comfort zone. I’m like, “Why are we making this appointment? I don’t have a tumor anymore. It’s disappeared.” He was like, “What do you mean?” I said, “I was on a research drug. I was told I don’t have a tumor anymore and I was also told I don’t have cancer anymore from the biopsies. I don’t understand why I’m still going through radiation.” He was like, “Let me call you back in about 10 or 15 minutes.” I said ok and hung up the phone.

By treatment 9, my tumor had disappeared.

My husband was home. I’m like, I don’t know what’s about to happen. I’m really nervous. He said he was going to call me back in 10 or 15 minutes. What is this? Is he going to call me back? People say that and it’s like hours or it’s days. I’m pacing back and forth, and he calls me back and said, “Kelly, there was an amendment in the protocol. I mean this in the nicest way possible, but I hope to never speak to you again. We are not going through radiation.” I was like, “Thank you so much.” That right there was the best day of my life.

The importance of being a patient advocate

Never let yourself down. Know how important your body is because you do know yourself best and your gut feelings follow them. They’re there for a reason.

Describe your experience with survivorship

During those 2.5 years, my mental state and emotions caught up to my physical state. I didn’t know that that was even happening. I was having anxiety attacks, panic attacks, and I had no clue why.

Kelly discusses the difficulties she's had in survivorship

It’s been hard. I still was asking about having a baby at our appointments and my oncologist was like, “I really advise you to wait about 2.5 years. In between those 2.5, your cancer is most likely to come back during that time. If you’re pregnant and your cancer comes back, it’s a whole other ball game you’re playing.” I was pretty upset to hear that because, in my brain, I’m like, no cancer. Let’s get this baby going. So that really hurt me. 

Looking back, that was the best decision I could have done, because I didn’t realize that I didn’t process anything that had happened. I realized that I was very strong-minded. During those 2.5 years, my mental state and emotions caught up to my physical state. I didn’t know that that was even happening. I was having anxiety attacks, panic attacks, and I had no clue why. 

It took Kelly a long time to start processing her cancer diagnosis

I remember talking to someone who had also recently gone through colorectal cancer, and her story is very different than mine. I met her through one of my good friends who I grew up with, and she was like, “Oh, you’re a year and a half in? Here it comes. Get ready because your mental state is now catching up.” After she said that, it made complete sense, but I had no idea that that was even a thing. That was really hard and I really needed to take a breather. 

It was hard for everyone else around me to understand because everyone is like, “You don’t have cancer anymore. Life’s good.” It couldn’t be further from the truth. Listening to your body, listening to yourself, and telling yourself you are going through this. This is something that is still catching up to you that you have to process. 

Reflections

What’s helped you process your cancer journey? 

I did a lot of self-discovery and self-growth programs. I did a big one based in San Diego, California. That was really helpful for my personal development and understanding of who I am. I’m still doing that. Getting into yoga, getting into meditation during this time became a hobby of mine. I was making sunglasses chains for myself and my friends. I ended up selling them, but it was calming for me. 

Yoga and meditation has helped Kelly on her cancer journey
Kelly found making and selling sunglasses chains calming
Kelly is pregnant and having her second child post-cancer

I still am processing to this day. I’m almost 3 years out and it’s definitely tough. Also, I’m about to have a baby tomorrow. That’s a whole other process too. I keep thinking of how much my body has been through in a short period of time. But it’s an everyday kind of thing. You have to take every day by the hour. I’m always processing, I’m always looking back at things, and I tend to really try to pull out the positives. For example, our air conditioning broke yesterday, and baby’s about to be here, and my husband is like, “Oh, of course. This is the way our life goes.” There’s just always something coming up and that is how life goes. There’s always going to be problems and it’s how you deal with them. That’s something that I’ve learned throughout this cancer journey, too.

Kelly encourages people to be vulnerable on their cancer journeys
What advice do you have for someone on their cancer journey?

Give yourself grace. It’s the biggest thing. Everyone has different seasons in life. Whether it’s cancer or something else that you’re going through that’s traumatic, upsetting, or hard, give yourself grace. 

A lot of people go through a lot of things and talk about it. I think being vulnerable is really important. It gives somebody else space to open up. You never know who someone knows and what they’re going through. If you’re able to open up to someone else, it is very therapeutic for you and it’s very therapeutic for someone else and it’s relatable.

Kelly encourages everyone to give themselves grace

Give yourself grace. It’s the biggest thing. Everyone has different seasons in life. Whether it’s cancer or something else that you’re going through that’s traumatic, upsetting, or hard, give yourself grace.

Thank you for sharing your story, Kelly!

Thank you for taking the time to hear my story and to help bring awareness to this cancer as well. That is something I do want to say. There is a huge rise in our country in young adults being diagnosed with colorectal cancer. Bringing awareness to that is very important to me because of our situation. Thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to bring more awareness.

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Ashley’s Recurrent Grade 2 Brain Cancer Story

Ashley’s Recurrent Grade 2 Brain Cancer Story

After graduating from Oregon State University, Ashley moved to Arizona to begin her life as an elementary school teacher. Shortly after her move, Ashley experienced a grand mal seizure that led her to the hospital. It was here that she learned at 22 years old she had a brain tumor. 

Now, over a decade later, Ashley has experienced cancer recurrence twice and continues to outlive the average life expectancy for those with brain cancer. She’s also defeated the odds by having a son after recurrence and chemo-radiation.

Ashley shares her cancer story with us, including why she chooses to look at the positives, how coaching cheer and art have helped her on her cancer journey, how she dealt with deficits post-brain surgery, and her hope that more people in the brain cancer community will share their stories.

Ashley was diagnosed with stage 2 brain cancer
  • Name: Ashley B. 
  • Diagnosis (DX):
    • Brain Cancer
      • Oligodendroglioma
        • Grade 2
      • Astrocytoma
        • Grade 2
  • Symptoms:
    • Grand mal seizure
  • Age at DX: 22
  • Treatment:
Ashley's brain cancer timeline

I want to find people that know how this is and if they have any words of advice. I want to share as well. If anybody wants to talk or hear about what I’ve gone through, and what I’ve done to help myself, I would absolutely love to talk and help you along the way.

Ashley B.

This interview has been edited for clarity. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider for treatment decisions.


Table Of Contents
  1. Symptoms & Diagnosis
  2. Surgery
  3. Recurrence
  4. Chemo & Radiation
  5. Pregnancy & Cancer
  6. 2nd Recurrence
  7. Reflections

Symptoms & Diagnosis

Tell us about yourself

I am Ashley and I have gone the last 10 years, almost 12, with a brain tumor. It’s been a journey. I have gone through about 3 brain surgeries. I’ve done a lot of different things along the way. 

With all of that going on, I’ve always had a positive mind through it all. No matter what happens or what I hear, I just always put my foot forward and have that mindset of, okay, what’s next? What are we going to do? How are we going to do it? Let’s get it going. 

What were your first symptoms? 
Ashley recently graduated from Oregon State before she experienced her seizure

I had just graduated from Oregon State University and spent the summer here in Portland, Oregon, where I’ve been my whole life. I was ready to get out and try something new. I had just moved down to Scottsdale, Arizona, and I had been there for about a month looking for teaching jobs because my goal was to do elementary school teaching. I’ve always loved kids and wanted to help them in any way I could. 

Unfortunately, only being there for about a month or less, I had a grand mal seizure on my way out one night. Thinking back, it’s crazy because it was very out of nowhere. I’d never had it before. [I was] very confused. 

I went straight to the hospital. All my family and friends were still back in Portland, so it was hard on them. I remember thinking even in the hospital, oh my gosh, my parents. I feel so bad. They’re going to be worrying about what’s going on. That was just the beginning. 

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What was the diagnosis?

A couple of days after getting there, they did the surgery and found out that it actually was a brain tumor, a glioma

Doctors discovered a glioma

It was a lot of MRIs, CT scans, and trying to determine what exactly they found and trying to figure out why I had a grand mal seizure. They discovered a large mass in my left temporal lobe. It could have been many things, so they decided to do a biopsy, a little mini surgery to learn more. 

A couple of days after getting there, they did the surgery and found out that it actually was a brain tumor, a glioma, which is the type of brain tumor that starts there. It’s not starting anywhere else, it’s only in my brain. 

Ashley had a grade 2 glioma

They needed to know more and do a full-on resection and remove as much as they could. That’s the first step in any type of brain cancer. I had the little biopsy surgery and was wondering, okay, what’s next? They knew it was definitely a brain tumor, but that was it. We still didn’t know exactly what kind and there might be other things going on. We needed to do a bigger resection surgery from there.

How did you react to your diagnosis

I remember being confused. Like, what is going on? What is this like? I had no symptoms whatsoever. My brother, who’s had a lot of health issues my whole life, would have seizures almost every day or multiple times a day. So I knew what a seizure was, but I’d never had one before. I always wondered what they were or what they felt like. I never expected to actually go through it. I never had headaches. It was very out of nowhere and very surprising. So more than anything, I was confused and wanted to know more.

Ashley and her mom
Moving hospitals and doctors

After the first week at the smaller hospital, they explained to us what they were going to be doing there versus at a different hospital. I don’t want to say a better hospital, but it was more equipped with brain surgeries.

Saint Joseph’s Hospital at the Barrow Neurological Institute in downtown Phoenix. People from all over the country would go there, so I was very blessed to have it happen down there with such a well-put-together brain tumor hospital surgery. I’m glad it was there at the time, as silly as that is, but it was almost meant to be. I feel like everything happens for a reason. I met my main surgeon there, Dr. Peter Nakaji. He was absolutely amazing. He made me feel so comfortable. 

Surgery

Any type of brain tumor, unfortunately, is incurable. There are chances that it could be in remission for however long, but it’s very unlikely to get all of it out.

What was the preparation for the surgery like?

We had to go through quite a few steps beforehand because we didn’t know if it was going to be awake brain surgery or if I’d be asleep during it. It’s hours and hours of surgery when they do any type of brain surgery because it’s very detailed and specific because you don’t want to mess up any other part of the brain. 

Ashley was able to sleep through her surgery

We had to go through quite a few tests. I had to do a Wada test which turned off that side of my brain and had me see what kind of memory I’d be going through because it was located in my temporal lobe, which is based on short-term memory language speech. I went through all of that, had quite a few meetings, and luckily I did so well through all of that. I was able to sleep through the full surgery, which I was relieved. Part of me was okay with it if it did happen, but the fact I was asleep, you feel a little more at ease. 

How did the surgery go?
Ashley's brain scan before surgery
Ashley's brain scan post-surgery and tumor

The surgery itself went absolutely amazing. It ended up being a lot quicker. It wasn’t as long as they thought it was going to be because of the type it was. It was easier to resect and he was able to get about, I would say, 95% of the tumor out. There were still going to be tumor cells left. Any type of brain tumor, unfortunately, is incurable. There are chances that it could be in remission for however long, but it’s very unlikely to get all of it out. 

Experiencing deficits post-surgery 

I did come out of it and had quite a few deficits. I knew I’d be losing some vision in my upper right eye. That I’m used to, but the hardest part for me was the memory. Especially after just going to college, getting my degree, ready to start my life, my career, and get things going. 

After the surgery, I joked around with my doctors [it was] like 50 First Dates. We joked that I’m going to be that. At home, after I left the hospital and was recovering for quite a few weeks, I was watching Grey’s Anatomy every single day and I could not think of the name of the show. 

Ashley stays positive
Ashley experienced deficits post-surgery

Even if stuff like this does happen, instead of putting myself down, I try to think of the positives and I’m not saying it’s easy. I’m not saying I enjoy having to do all this, but it definitely has given me the strength and the fight.

I had to – wanting to be an elementary school teacher, specifically, first grade or second grade – I had to go to classes and be with that age group because of my speech and memory. I had to use different games and puzzles to relearn what everything was called. I knew what the words were, but I couldn’t put it together with what things were. For instance, with my phone, I would have been like, “Oh, is this a TV remote?” I would get things mixed up. I would want to get a glass of water and would say, “Hey, can somebody get me a fork?”

Ashley had to relearn the names of objects

I would always joke with stuff because I didn’t want to be a Debbie Downer. It took at least a year or 2 to get back into the motion of not standing out in front of people with my wording and memory. I still do have short-term memory loss. In college, I would always get called out because of how good my memory was. I had a photographic memory. I lucked out, so some of my friends joke with me, that now I have a normal memory. But it’s not. It’s definitely a struggle, but it’s something I can deal with and have worked to live with and make better.

How has having someone close to you deal with medical issues helped you on your cancer journey?
Ashley's brother had a long journey with seizures

I think a lot of it has to do with my brother and what he’s gone through. No matter what has happened to me or what I will go through, nothing compares to what happened to him. Knowing that and living with him, it’s given me a different look at life and made me very thankful. Even if stuff like this does happen, instead of putting myself down, I try to think of the positives and I’m not saying it’s easy. I’m not saying I enjoy having to do all this, but it definitely has given me the strength and the fight. I can’t imagine not having him to help me through it, but it’s definitely something that’s helped me as far as I can see.

Why did you decide to go on watch-and-wait?

There have been some changes since I had the surgery in January 2012. They determined it was a grade 2 oligodendroglioma, which is one of the major types of brain tumors. Because it was a low grade and I had a good surgery, we decided to do a watch-and-wait period instead of going directly to chemo-radiation, to see how it would go. 

It’d be wonderful to never have anything happen from there, but it’s a well-known fact, something will most likely happen. We just didn’t know how soon and wanted to wait because it’s not fun to go through. [I was] 22 years old when all of this happened so I didn’t want to do things unless it had to be done or my doctors really wanted me to do it. Having such a good surgery, I had a good mindset that things were going well at the time.

Ashley decided to go on watch and wait
Moving near family to have support 

After that, I was still living in Arizona and my parents and brother moved down and rented a house to be with me. Once I was getting myself back to feeling better, my parents came back up to Portland and I had to as well. As much as I wanted to stay there and teach and live my life, it just wasn’t going to happen. Unfortunately, because of everything I was going through, I needed support around me. So I moved back up here and was doing whatever I could to work on my memory system and recovering from that until it did grow back at the very end of 2016, early 2015.

Recurrence

What are some symptoms you experienced before the regrowth occurred? 
Years after her first surgery, Ashley experienced recurrence
Chemo
Ashley received multiple MRIs a year

I didn’t necessarily feel the regrowth happening, but I was having so many deficits in general from the surgery and the tumor itself, to begin with. Luckily, I did get MRIs pretty often so they were able to see something going on at the time. 

With seizures, it wasn’t just the one time. I would say [I had] at least 2 a year back then. I’d get things here and there and I’d be like, oh gosh, is this a sign? What’s going on? At the time I did have migraines, but it wasn’t as bad as it ended up becoming. In the 2 years or so before the regrowth happened, it was a lot of focusing on getting better and then learning to become this new person. There was also, with memory, teaching myself and learning words again. It sounds silly because I felt, I’ve already done this. 

I always tell myself, it could have been worse. I was lucky. I look back now, I didn’t have the nausea that I do now. There are a lot of things that I am grateful for that I like in life. Before this all happened, I looked at life in the view of, I’m going to do this and that, and I have all these goals and whatnot. I now look at life differently where little things mean so much. The simple things in life are amazing to me now.

How did you react to discovering you had a recurrence?  

I tell myself that positivity has such a massive effect because at least for me, just having that mindset and not thinking about death has done more than I have asked for.

Ashley has outlived the life expectancy for her cancer

Once they discovered that, they weren’t sure if it was regrowth or just something popping up. They wanted to do multiple MRIs for about 2 months. It was March when we finally decided it was treatment time. That’s when we had the talk with the doctor about doing chemo and radiation together, which is the known treatment when this happens because we’d already done a massive resection. 

I didn’t have a surprised look or anything. I was like, okay, this is the plan. This is how we’re going to do it. I’m going to get myself ready and I’m going to beat it like I always have. That’s the weird thing people ask me about is, aren’t you nervous? Aren’t you worried? Obviously, I am. But at the same time, I’ve never had the view that this is going to end me because I’ve already outlived the average life expectancy. I haven’t met anybody younger than me that has lived this long. 

I tell myself that positivity has such a massive effect because at least for me, just having that mindset and not thinking about death has done more than I have asked for. I know it’s going to be hard, but I’ve never had that on my mind because, despite it all, I don’t want to have that.

Chemo & Radiation

What chemotherapy treatment were you on?

Temodar. I started in May, which is the chemo that I luckily wouldn’t have to do at the hospital. It was a pill form and I would take that every night during the first section of chemo and radiation together. I’d be taking the chemo every day and then I’d be doing radiation Monday through Friday for 6 weeks. 

It started off well. It wasn’t until halfway through that I started getting crazy tired and did a lot of bed rest. I’m pretty social and had a lot of questions from family and friends, it was hard communicating with them when I needed to just chill at home and rest and relax. I started a little blog to keep everybody up to date on how I was, and what things were like. That was really fun. That was back when blogs weren’t really a thing in 2015. That’s another way that I had something getting me through it.

Did you have side effects from your cancer treatments? 

I had my whole body break out in hives. I couldn’t move my body. I ended up in the hospital, and they said we have to stop it. There’s no way we can continue this.

Ashley had a negative reaction to chemo

Aside from the side effects, the nausea, the throwing up, and getting through that, I was proud of myself. Once I did the 6 weeks of chemo and radiation, I had a 21-day break where I wasn’t on anything. It was right around my birthday in May. I got to have a birthday celebration to celebrate finishing that [treatment] and doing well. That was really nice. 

Once I had to go back on chemo, it wasn’t every single day. It was a higher dosage but only 5 days for 6 months. I had to stop it after the fourth month, in September. Right after I had finished doing it, I had a very bad reaction and they weren’t exactly sure why this happened. It’s not common but it was really bad. I had my whole body break out in hives. I couldn’t move my body. I ended up in the hospital, and they said we have to stop it. There’s no way we can continue this. I’ll admit, I was scared thinking, oh, no. Is it going to work still? Do I need to finish it? I had that in the back of my head being worried and not exactly sure what to expect. 

On the good side, it slowly went away after not having that in my system anymore. What they determined is my body just said, no, we’re done. We can’t take it anymore. It’s a bummer, but at the same time, I had a good result in the end. Once that came through, it was all worth it at that point. 

I have my lovely radiation mask that they had to create for my head. Monday through Friday when I’d go in, I’d have to wear this lovely thing while they did it, which I still have.

Ashley wearing her radiation mask

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Do you know if the chemo or the radiation caused that reaction?

I’m not sure what was giving me nausea, aches, and pains. That’s also when I started getting horrible headaches and migraines. [The doctors] have a feeling it’s not necessarily related to that type of head pain but nerve damage that was going on because it was only on this side where everything was going down. 

It was not a fun thing to go through, but it’s one of those situations where I did it. I got through it all. I had ups and downs, but I always tell myself, it could be worse. Even though I had these unfortunate events, it still turned out positive and I’m very thankful that happened.

How often did you have cancer treatments?
Ashley had chemo for the first 5 days for 6 months

It was 2 separate ways of doing it. The first one was 6 months straight of a very low dose of chemo every day, along with radiation being Monday through Friday for 6 weeks. It was all of that together. Then it was the 21-day break where I got to rest and get myself back together. After that is when I started 6 months of chemo at a way higher dose, but only 5 days at the beginning of each month.

Describe your experience with radiation

Radiation was fine. It was not an easy thing and I had sickness and nausea. I lost my hair in a very unique way because it wasn’t the chemo that did anything to me but the radiation on my head did. It was in the perfect spot, as weird as that sounds, because the top part stayed on and the bottom part stayed on, but a very precise loop around the middle of my hair was gone. So if I was moving around, people would be like, what the heck? Because you could see there was nothing under it. When I put my hair back, it looked as if I meant to do it on purpose. I would joke around and say, oh yeah, I did that. Just wanted to try something new, for people that didn’t know what I was going through. It was kind of fun.

Year after year of having good results from my MRIs, I got in the rhythm of expecting I’m good, I’m not even going to worry about it or deal with it.

Ashley had a great time with radiation
Ashley experienced unusual hair loss

I do like having my full head of hair. I was nervous because there was a chance that it might never come back. I was very thankful that it did.

What were the results of your scans after chemo-radiation

After having to stop chemo and recover from the hives, I would do my MRIs about, every 3 months for the first year. Once that got cleared, everything was good, no regrowth, and the cancer cells were going down rather than up. Everything was looking good. After the first year, I got to do only 2 MRIs a year. That’s how it’s been unless I had a seizure or something else was going on. Then I would have to have an MRI to keep up with what was going on. That’s how it was for quite a few years. I was very lucky for about 6 or 7 years in remission, which I’m very thankful for because that’s a long time with brain tumors.

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Did you suspect you had a recurrence? 

Year after year of having good results from my MRIs, I got in the rhythm of expecting I’m good, I’m not even going to worry about it or deal with it. I did have a lot of pain in my head. That was probably the hardest thing to deal with daily. Aside from that, there were no changes in my memory or deficits that had changed at this point in time. I was doing well for the most part and going with the flow, enjoying what I could, and going with it. Until it came back again.

Pregnancy & Cancer

What was finding out you were pregnant around the time of your recurrence like?

A year after going through chemo-radiation, I got pregnant. That blew my mind and was the happiest I’ve ever been.

This was a huge part of my life that was not expected. When I was going to go through chemo and radiation, when I found out that there was regrowth, I was pregnant. I had just found out I was pregnant. I don’t know if it was from the stress because I had actually said, I don’t want to have an abortion. I want to wait. Even if it were to get worse, I just want to wait until the baby’s born before I do any treatment. Unfortunately, I did have a miscarriage shortly after. It might have been meant to be or from the stress, but that was really hard. Looking back, that’s why I didn’t take the option of saving my eggs. I told myself back then, if it’s meant to be, it’s meant to be but I just am not in a place right now to go through that and wanted to get the tumor done before anything. 

Ashley didn't think she could get pregnant post-cancer
Ashley became pregnant after miscarrying
Ashley had her son Brodie after cancer and recurrence

I never really expected to be able to have kids. I knew I could, but it was very unlikely. I’ve had, on both sides of my family, pregnancy issues. I knew I’d already had issues, to begin with, but this made it more unlikely. Believe it or not, a year after going through chemo-radiation, I got pregnant. That blew my mind and was the happiest I’ve ever been. The greatest gift of my life is my son, his name is Brody. He’s definitely what keeps me going every day. No matter what, he’s what I fight for.

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Tell us about your son

He was born in September 2017, he will be 6 years old in September this year. He knows what’s going on with me, but he’s like me – if I’m not feeling good, he gets me up. Even when I have my headaches or head pains, he is the medicine that gets me away from that and on to other stuff. He’s my number one and just the greatest. I can’t even imagine not having him now, which is mind-blowing. He’s a little smarty. 

He knows what’s going on because he has gone to my doctor appointments and he’s seen me do surgery because I’ve had surgery since he was born. He’s seen a lot. It’s similar to what my brother went through. Having his uncle going through what he was going through, it’s almost like he’s known this all from birth or when he was younger and he doesn’t really know any difference. That’s been super helpful for me.

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2nd Recurrence

How did your doctors discover your third recurrence? 

In December 2021, I had my doctor call me on the phone to go over the results of the MRI. Originally he said, “You’re good.” It’s always short and sweet, and that’s what happened at first. I’m very lucky in having so many good doctors that I cannot thank enough. The next day, he went through it a second time and saw something that was very small on a few scans, but it was still bugging him. [He was] questioning what was going on. He wasn’t exactly sure if it was dead cells or tissue that was popping up, but he did want to view it sooner than later. Instead of waiting the 6-month, normal period of time, he decided to do it. 

Ashley experienced second recurrence

It was a very hard time, just watching, waiting like what is this? Is it just a scare? Is it regrowth? What is going on here? I knew something was up with the way I was feeling and had this aura that something was going on. 

I tried to almost not listen to myself, but at the same time, that’s just not me. I’m not the type that can just set that aside, move on, and not do anything about it. I’m like, okay, I got to research. I got to see what’s going on because it’s been a while. I stopped doing that for a good amount of time, especially raising Brody. I wasn’t even thinking about it other than daily living it. It was definitely a hard couple of months. 

Once they did that second MRI that’s when they said, “Yeah, it’s definitely something. We’re not exactly sure what. We need to do surgery again.” This was not a massive surgery like before. This was another type of small biopsy to determine what was going on. Has it changed? Has anything else happened? That’s what we ended up doing about a month and a half later in April 2022. That’s when I had my third brain surgery.

How did your third brain surgery go?
Ashley's tumor changed to an astrocytoma

To hear it’s still low grade, [I had] so much relief, even though it’s not a good thing to go through at all. I feel like I sound silly saying that, but that’s just how I am. I’m realistic, but try to think of the positives rather than dwell on the negatives.

That one went pretty well. It was short because there wasn’t much going on. I was only at the hospital for 5 days or less. The surgery went really well. They only did a small resection to see if the tumor was at a higher grade level. [I had] the normal issues that I deal with pain-wise, like nausea. 

This time was different because I now had a son. Even with cancer and everything I’ve been going through, he will always be my number one no matter what. I didn’t think much at the hospital about how I was doing. It was more, I need to call and see how he was doing because I didn’t want him to see me like that. I still was able to talk on the phone with him and make sure he wasn’t worrying. Luckily he’s extremely close to my parents. They’re, his best friends, so he had a great time with them. Knowing he was okay made me feel much better. 

During her third brain surgery, Ashley was concerned for her son

Once I got the results from the surgery, it was the biggest relief yet. I don’t want to hear there’s regrowth, that’s not a good thing. But it’s not a higher grade, which is very rare. With brain tumors, they normally will grow into a higher grade over time. In the back of my mind, I knew that was something to be prepared for. But to hear it’s still low grade, [I had] so much relief, even though it’s not a good thing to go through at all. I feel like I sound silly saying that, but that’s just how I am. I’m realistic, but try to think of the positives rather than dwell on the negatives.

Discovering her brain tumor type had changed

When they said, “Nope, you don’t have an oligodendroglioma anymore. You now have a grade 2 astrocytoma with an IDH1 mutation.” I’m like, okay, what is this?

Despite her tumor changing, it stayed at a low grade 2

The one thing that threw me for a loop was the fact that it was no longer considered an oligodendroglioma brain tumor, which I’ve always looked into and learned about. It was not as common as the other types like glioblastoma is the worst one. That’s only when you have a grade 4 brain tumor. It’s the one you never want to hear about. The other type that’s well-known is astrocytoma. 

I’ve known those types existed, but I’ve had an oligodendroglioma. I’ve put more of my thoughts and research into that. That was an interesting thing. At the time, I’m like, how does it change? This is hugely good news I thought, because brain tumors have always been the back of the train.

You have to go through the blood-brain barrier to do any effective treatment to fight it. It’s the most intense area of your body and trying to take 100% out through surgery is not possible. If you do, you could lose your will to walk, see, or speak. You would not live a quality life and it would not be worth it. That’s why it’s never been a full 100% resection. Even if you could get a lot out, there are cells that are not viewable through the greatest microscope possible. That’s how life is, unfortunately. But they are making changes. 

In recent years, they have done a lot with genetics which is incredible. It got me to dive right in and learn as much as I could and research. When they said, “Nope, you don’t have an oligodendroglioma anymore. You now have a grade 2 astrocytoma with an IDH1 mutation.” I’m like, okay, what is this? Why is it now an astrocytoma? 

How did your diagnosis change to an astrocytoma? 
Ashley did not have 1p/19q co-deletions

Because I don’t have the 1p/19q co-deletions – you have to have those to have an oligodendroglioma – I always was not on that side of it. Even though that was well-known for oligodendrogliomas, they still thought it was an oligodendroglioma. But they did say it’s rare that you don’t have the 1p/19q co-deletions, which is a part of that. Since all of these changes they’ve made, because I don’t have that, I now am considered an astrocytoma. 

The 2 main mutations that I have that have caused a brain tumor is the TP53, which is a gene or a mutation that causes a lot of cancers, not just brain tumors, but many others as well. That was the first one that was very relevant. I also found out I have this IDH1 mutation. That is why I’ve had a low-grade tumor for so long. 

These mutated genes have developed somehow. It’s not the type that is inherited at all. It’s very rare that this happens. I did get lucky that I have the mutation type rather than the wild type because the wild type is not a good one to have. Aside from having the news, yes, your tumor is back. It is still at a good level to deal with where normally in the past at this point, I would probably have to go through my second round of radiation. 

What treatments did your doctors recommend for your astrocytoma?

I try to do what I can the most I can and hope for the best.

The weird thing with my chemo is they still aren’t sure if I should ever try that type of chemo again because of how it affected me. Now with all of these changes, they’ve found a new type of chemo that’s actually used with a certain type of leukemia. It is a certain type of leukemia that it’s very similar to brain tumors. It’s been used on different people over the last 2 years or so. Since mine is at that level and still very slow growing, they decided we should try this because this might be something that is positive and can help me. 

There have been a couple of other people with my main oncologist that have had really good results with a few of his other patients, and I was like, yep, I want to try. I’m the type that’s very open to anything and everything, at least to try, even if it’s not the best or outside of the medical realm. I try to eat healthy and exercise, especially coaching cheer and being a mom. I love yoga. That’s my go-to and making sure things around me 24/7 are helping as well. Not just everything at the hospital, like medications and all of that. I try to do what I can the most I can and hope for the best.

Because of the amount of regrowth and where I’m at after having the biopsy, we decided to try the new chemo that’s approved for leukemia patients. I’m not sure of the type, but I know it’s leukemia chemo. It’s called TIBSOVO. It’s not FDA-approved for brain tumors and it took a while to get the approval. So in August of last year, it will be almost a year since I started the TIBSOVO that I take every night, 250-milligram pills. 

Have you had any side effects from this new chemotherapy treatment?
After a bad reaction, Ashley switched to TIBSOVO

The nausea was hard at first. I had to have my body get used to it. After 4 months or so, I finally got to stop taking nausea medicine. I still get the nausea here and there but I’ve learned to live with it. Other than that, the head pain and tiredness haven’t gone away. I do get fatigued and it’s hard to put myself through things that were so easy before.

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I get bummed out or mad at myself, like, you got to push yourself. But at the same time, I need to tell myself, you got to chill out and rest because it’s not a good thing. 

The difference between this type of chemo and the previous one I did is it’s not the type that is destroying the cancer cells immediately and gets rid of it all. This is a type of chemo that stops the growth and over time starts to kill it off. Think of chemo as what affects your whole body, but it’s more directed at this one mutation. That’s why it’s similar to leukemia because that’s very common in a certain type of cancer there. It’s the type of chemo that can go into and pass the blood-brain barrier and be directly associated with the cancer cells in the brain.

It’s stressful because it [requires] another watch-and-wait period of time. It’s not right here, right now. I do have my MRIs every other month, my blood work, and my EKG. I have to keep up and get all of that taken care of to make sure things are going well and so far, so good. Usually by now, it should have stopped the growth but from what I’ve heard, it hasn’t quite done that yet. It’s definitely slowed the growth, but it hasn’t completely stopped it. I’m praying my next MRI will have a good outlook on that. If it doesn’t, I might have to start something else, but I’m not going to worry about that just yet.

Reflections

Ashley now teaches cheer
Cheer has helped Ashley on her cancer journey
Art has also helped Ashley helped her on her cancer journey
What has helped you on your journey with brain cancer? 

Having that positive mindset has done so much and helping others is a huge thing for me. I wish there were more people that would speak out that have this. That’s the main reason I wanted to meet you guys and get my word out, because there’s really not much about brain tumors, which is hard on me. 

I search for people online. I have a friend in South Africa, 2 friends that I’ve talked to that are in Ireland and London, and another friend that lives in San Diego here. So I’ve met people along the way, even if it’s across the country or across continents. But it is hard to find people that talk about it, which has been the hardest part for me because I want to find people that know how this is and if they have any words of advice. I want to share as well. If anybody wants to talk or hear about what I’ve gone through, and what I’ve done to help myself, I would absolutely love to talk and help you along the way. 

Having a positive mindset. has benefited Ashley on her cancer journey

Having that positive mindset has done so much and helping others is a huge thing for me.

I’ve been the oldest among everybody. There’s one that was close to me just a couple of years after I found out about it, but for the most part, it seems to be 3 years ago, 4 years ago, or 2 years ago when they found out. I feel like I’m the mom and I’ve gone through everything. I’m more than happy to share. I’m a talker. I tend to talk too much, but I am open and willing to do what I can.

Finding purpose in coaching cheer and through art
Ashley's graphic art
Ashley's macrame
Ashley's art piece
Ashely and her brother

I forgot to talk about my hobby of art and coaching cheer. I did win a courage award because of everything I’ve gone through and helping the girls. They’ve even made their new set of uniforms with a heart with an “A” for me and my brother because it was right after my brother passed and when I found out [the cancer] was back again. It was a positive thing to do and let me know they were thinking of me. They’re like my family. 

Coaching and being around all of them has definitely helped me over the years and having my art and design. I do a lot of painting, macrame, and some graphic art. During COVID, I decided to teach myself how to do all these different things. Normally I would only do oil paintings or acrylic paintings and never really added on to that. Now I do three-dimensional pieces where I’ll get all these different things together and play on it. My son Brody also loves to do art.

 

When COVID was getting better and right before I found out that the cancer was back is when I was getting myself ready to do my own little business of selling art. I did have to put that on hold for a while, but I still want to get back out there and do all that. You’d be surprised how easy it is to learn and how fun it is to have that to calm you down. Whether it’s macrame or painting, there are so many things you can do in the realm of art,

I went to high school at Westview and graduated in ’07. Then in college, I did cheer for a couple of years at Oregon State. After that, while I was doing my own thing for a couple of years and dealing with treatment, I was like, I want to get back into cheer. I decided to start coaching. 

Ashley and her son

The coach that I had back at Westview, was still the head coach who’s amazing. She’s like a sister to me now, one of my closest friends. We’re actually going to see the Taylor Swift concert in 2 days together, so I’m excited about that. I started coaching with her back in 2017 when I was pregnant with Brody. The first place he went outside of getting home from the hospital was cheer practice. He has been at the practices many, many times. The girls that are graduating this year, I’ve been with them since they were seventh graders which is crazy because they’re like my little babies.

I’ve always wanted to help others. That’s been a huge passion of mine. Not being able to teach because of the deficits, my brain tumor, and the surgeries, I still try to do what I can. Doing cheer, coaching, and helping them, especially when we went through COVID, helping to support them and do what I can has been huge, and I appreciate all of that.

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Ben’s Metastatic Testicular Cancer Story

Ben’s Metastatic Testicular Cancer Story

At 21 years old, cancer was not on Ben’s mind when he noticed his testicle becoming hard and swollen. 6 months after noticing changes in his testicle, he visited the doctor who scheduled an ultrasound on Ben’s 22nd birthday. Later that same day, Ben was diagnosed with testicular cancer

As a standup comedian, Ben advocates for testicular cancer awareness through humor and encourages people he meets to get examined when they notice changes in their bodies. 

Ben shares his cancer story with us including his experience with reoccurrence, scanxiety, and multiple surgeries, and the importance of sharing cancer awareness.

Ben was diagnosed with testicular cancer at age 22
  • Name: Ben F. 
  • Diagnosis (DX):
  • Symptoms:
    • Hard, swollen testicle
  • Age at DX: 22
  • Treatment:
Ben's testicular cancer journey timeline

It’s so worth getting stuff checked out when you think something is even a little bit wrong. Waiting is just going to increase your anxiety and ultimately make things worse. Things usually don’t just go away.

Ben F.

This interview has been edited for clarity and length. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider for treatment decisions.


Symptoms & Diagnosis

Tell us about yourself

I noticed that 1 of my testicles got hard out of nowhere. I wrote it off for a whole 6 months. Then it started growing and growing and growing.

Ben F. shares his cancer story

I’m Ben Foede. I’m 26 years old. I’ve been playing drums for 13 years. I bounce out of nightclubs. I do a lot of music stuff in general and some stand-up comedy here and there. I generally enjoy being involved in entertainment.

I try to get out and do at least 1 set a month. I generally work with a production company called Fearless Productions and do Fearless Lab. I do a 10-minute set and just about every time I show up, I’m about to try out some new material. I chat with some of the other comics and I’m like, “I have this one bit that I do about cancer.” I’ll tell them the short version, and they’re like, “You got to do that on stage” every single time.

What were your first symptoms?

When I was living in Texas, I noticed that 1 of my testicles got hard out of nowhere. I wrote it off for a whole 6 months. Then it started growing and growing and growing. My main mode of transportation was bicycle so that became a problem. It got to be almost 6 inches across and 2 pounds. That was the only symptom I ever really had, which was weird. I was like, it can’t be that bad. Then it turned out it was.

I decided to get checked out just on a whim. I was like, I’m tired of having this be a problem. It wasn’t painful, but it was uncomfortable, so let’s go see what’s going on.

I waited 6 months like an idiot because there’s that level of denial that there’s an actual problem. Especially when it comes to your genitalia. It’s embarrassing, it’s frightening and you just don’t want it to be a problem, but it is.

Getting examined & diagnosed

I’m going to set you up with a surgeon. He’s a urologist down here.” I was like, “Okay, what’s his name?” And the doctor said, “His name is Dick Chopp.” I was like, this is the weirdest day of my life.

I went to my doctor and it was my first time with this doctor because I had just moved. That started a cascading effect of eccentric doctors. My doctor competes annually at the beard and mustache championships. In walks this guy with an Alabama accent and giant beard, and he’s like, “Okay, let’s check you out.” I was like, this is weird. He gets a look down there and he’s like, “Alright, we gotta get an ultrasound.” I thought this is continuing to be weird, but this is what’s going to be happening. I don’t have a lot of choices. I’m just getting on this roller coaster. Let’s go. 

He schedules me to go to the doctor on my 22nd birthday. I lay down and get my testicle ultrasounded, which is not something that I knew you could even do. Then on the bus ride home, I get a call from my doctor saying, “It’s testicular cancer. You have a massive tumor. I’m going to set you up with a surgeon. He’s a urologist down here.” I was like, “Okay, what’s his name?” And the doctor said, “His name is Dick Chopp.” I was like, this is the weirdest day of my life.

What did you know about testicular cancer prior to your diagnosis? 

I knew nothing. Nothing at all. I found out that it usually shows up in your early 20s, which I feel should be talked about more because that’s when people are still stupid because I was. And two, there’s a big family genetic component to it, at least for the specific kind that I had. 

I found out 2 months later that there was a family history. It was just never talked about because there’s some weird sense of shame that goes with that. I get that because it’s your genitals, but you need to tell people if it’s running in your family. It’s an important thing to know because if something is even just slightly off,  just go get it checked out.

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How did you discover testicular cancer ran in your family?

My mom was talking to my grandmother on the phone and my grandma said, “Oh, this person had testicular cancer.” I had a little bit of anger. If I had known, I would have gone sooner. I wouldn’t have waited 6 months and 2 pounds of growth. I probably wouldn’t have it spread to my lymph nodes if I had just gotten it taken care of right away. But I didn’t think that that was even on the table.

Surgery

Ben had laparoscopic surgery and an orchiectomy

If I had known, I would have gone sooner. I wouldn’t have waited 6 months and 2 pounds of growth.

Describe your surgery 

I had a really short conversation where he hooked me up with the urologist and I met him. He was a very nice guy, an older dude. He said, “We’re just gonna yank that right out there and you should be good to go.” It was fairly simple. 

Within a week, they put me under and I assumed that it was going to be a cut into the scrotum. Turns out, they got to take out all the plumbing as well. So it’s actually above the genitals where the incision is made. 

That surgery was laparoscopic with 5 little holes in my lower abdomen and they took out 16 or 17 little tumors all throughout my chest. Now I have a picture of my insides, which is insane. One of the incisions apparently severs the nerve that flicks the switch between the testicles and the bladder. But laparoscopic surgery is so much easier than you’d think. For the next 2 weeks, you’re definitely not going to want to cough or laugh.

With an orchiectomy, which is removing the testicle, there isn’t a whole lot of prep that goes into it. It is a pretty simple procedure. It’s likely that you’d get a drain put in, so you’d have to come in within the next week again to get that removed. There could be some sutures in a drain. I’m saying that from experience. The nurse was new and in training, and he didn’t realize there were sutures in the drain and just kept on pulling. He was like, “I don’t know why I can’t get it out.” Then the doctor came in and he’s like, “Dude!”

Did your doctors discuss preserving fertility

The whole time they constantly asked me, “You want to do something in case you want to have kids in the future?” I was like, “Actually I have a strong plan to not have children, so this is convenient.” It wasn’t the first surgery that even made me infertile. It was the second surgery, which wasn’t even on my genitalia.

Describe recovery and follow-up appointments post-surgery

I was back on a bike within 5 days. That surgery was not a problem.

They did the biopsy after the surgery and found, in their words, no testicular tissue visible. That’s when I found out that it was a teratoma. It was an absorbed twin with hair, bone, and flesh tissue. They said that in all likelihood I would not have to go through any chemo because doing an orchiectomy would likely flush my body of the cancerous nature. 

Afterward, I was doing blood tests once a week for a month, then twice a month, then once a month, then once every 3 months, then once every 6 months, and some CTS every 6 months, just to be sure. They said, “We’re going to keep an eye on it and see if anything happens,” which ultimately did happen. 

They did the biopsy after the surgery and found, in their words, no testicular tissue visible. That’s when I found out that it was a teratoma.

How treatable is testicular cancer? 

The thing about testicular cancer, it really shouldn’t be so stigmatized because it is dangerous, but it is also the most treatable kind of cancer. As soon as you hear, “I have cancer,” the first thing you’re going to do is Google – I guarantee – mortality rate. Don’t. Everyone’s an individual. You’re not a statistic, but I obviously did. I looked it up and I compared it to other diseases and it said something like, it has the same mortality rate as pneumonia. I was like, I’ve had pneumonia 3 times. Let’s go.

Did you experience scanxiety?

The first time around, it was a big relief. But I was still on eggshells because they were like, “There’s no cancer but we gotta keep an eye on it.” Going to all those blood tests and taking all those CT scans was a relief, but there was also a good amount of anxiety and paranoia that lasted for well over a year. Then that paranoia wound up being justified.

Going to all those blood tests and taking all those CT scans was a relief, but there was also a good amount of anxiety and paranoia that lasted for well over a year. Then that paranoia wound up being justified.

They said it was a coin flip as to whether or not I would have to go through chemo or have another cancer or go get another surgery. I was spending time with my folks in Las Vegas and they said it was a coin flip. I was like, if there’s anywhere you’re going to take a chance, it’s Las Vegas.

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Reoccurrence 

There were 16 tumors in my chest I didn’t feel at all because they were all in that nebulous space in between organs and they were on lymph nodes.

When did doctors discover you had a reoccurrence? 

For a year or 2, I was doing the blood tests and the CTs and we were waning down on how often I was doing them. Then the CT comes back and they said, “Yeah, you got some stuff in your chest, including one cherry-sized tumor right there,” which is a scary place to have one. 

They scheduled me to go through a laparoscopic surgery because I was firmly against doing chemo if I could avoid it. I’ll do surgeries all you want. I don’t want to go through chemo. That sounds so bad. In hindsight, I probably should have done a couple more months of chemo because I didn’t want to go through that second surgery. But it worked out in the end.

Did you have symptoms with reoccurrence? 

I had absolutely no symptoms that second time. I felt nothing whatsoever. There were 16 tumors in my chest I didn’t feel at all because they were all in that nebulous space in between organs and they were on lymph nodes, which I still don’t fully understand. The lymphatic system perplexes me.

The CT scan where they found those tumors was 3 months after the last one I had. Most of them were very small. The one the size of a cherry was the biggest one but they’re going to keep growing if you don’t get rid of them.

How did your cancer reoccurrence develop? 

It metastasized from the testicle and into my lymphatic system. A bunch of lymph nodes needed to be yoinked out.

I was talking to my oncologist – I went through about 6 different doctors because I was moving around all over the place throughout all of this. That oncologist said, “The surgery is a very good option. Chemo after the surgery is a good option, but not necessary as long as we keep an eye on it afterward.” 

I spent the next 2 years keeping an eye on it. When I finally had my last CT appointment, I was like, it’s over. We’re done.

Did your laparoscopic surgery require any preparation? 

Laparoscopic surgery takes a little bit more preparation and effort from patients. They had me go on a hyper-low-fat diet so that my skin was stretchier because they essentially have to blow you up like a balloon, which is horrifying to think of, but cool in practice. One of the incisions has an air tube that’s constantly blowing air so that it can move all the instruments around freely within your chest cavity. 

For that, I had to do a month of no fats in my diet whatsoever. That was pretty rough, but ultimately worth it. It made the surgery go quite well. They knock you out and you wake up in a bed and stay there for a couple of days and they make sure that you’re good. I couldn’t eat for 2 days beforehand. It’s not fun but it’s very doable.

How did you feel after your second surgery?

The way that it works is they’re going through your lower abdomen to get up through your chest, so your abdomen is torn up by the nature of the surgery. It hurts pretty dang bad. I sneezed when I was in the hospital, and I started pounding the bed as hard as I could with my fists and my legs. My dad was standing next to me and asked, “You okay?” I was like, “No, my abdomen has been torn up.” It was extremely not fun, but the recovery time doesn’t take that long. I had a month where I couldn’t lift anything above 50 pounds via the doctor’s note, which made balancing work not an option. 

Survivorship

His doctor warned him to avoid standup comedy post-surgery

[My doctor] scheduled the surgery 6 days before I was supposed to do a standup show. It was gonna be the first time that I headlined the show. I told my doctor, “Hey, I know I can’t lift anything for a month, but I have this standup show 6 days after. Do you think I could do that?” He said, “Under no circumstances do you do that.” So I did it. I got to say, doing a standup show or just being at a standup show where there are other talented comics, you’re gonna laugh. And laughing when your abdomen is torn up 6 days prior is not ideal. I didn’t tear a stitch, which was awesome, but I feel like it got a little close a couple of times. 

That show is definitely the best show I’ve ever done because I told my story about having cancer and how I had Dick Chopp as a doctor, but I left out the part where I got cancer again. Then, I let my head drop right after I did the last joke [and tell them] I still had it and I had 16 tumors in my chest. The audience was so sad for me. Then I said, “That surgery was 6 days ago!” I lifted up my shirt showing off all the new surgical scars that are still a little bit funny. I feel bad for the emotional manipulation but that crowd was very happy at the end of the night.

I told my doctor, “Hey, I know I can’t lift anything for a month, but I have this standup show 6 days after. Do you think I could do that?” He said, “Under no circumstances do you do that.” So I did it.

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Did humor help you process your diagnosis? 

100%. The only way I could process all of that anxiety and terror was through some creative form. As I said earlier, it’s the most curable cancer. It’s as bad as pneumonia, but that doesn’t matter. It’s cancer. You can throw as many mitigating factors as you want onto it. You’re still going to be like, I have cancer. That is an identity that is thrust on you and totally screws with your head for the rest of your life. 

I delayed this interview partially because I was having so much anxiety over some lesions on my arms. I was like, great, I got it again. How am I going to tell my cancer story? How am I going to be an advocate? I go to my doctor and he said, “Dude, you got eczema.” He gave me high-power hydrocortisone and my arms are good now. That was 2 weeks ago.

What has your experience with survivorship been like?

After you’ve got the cancer diagnosis, you do not hear horses when you hear hoof beats after you’ve had cancer, you’re only thinking of zebras. Occam’s Razor is very much a problem that you just have to live with and try to logic your way through. But it’s not going to happen because you’ve had this identity thrust upon you that you never wanted, and there’s nothing you can do about that other than try to get better. Afterward, you’re a cancer survivor or you died. There’s nothing you can really do to change. The fact that you have a new identity is such a problem. 

At the same time, you wind up making new friends that you never thought you would make. I went to a big box store one day, and the old lady who was a cashier had a really nice breast cancer pen. I told her, “I love your pen.” She said, “I’m actually a survivor myself, 2 times.” I was like, “Oh! Me too, testicular.” We had a big old hug, high-fived each other, and were like, “Yeah!” There’s a positive community that can be developed as long as you find people that you can relate with in this way. If you don’t find people to talk to, you’re just scared and alone forever, and that sucks. Find people. It’s so worth it. Talk to people. Talk to groups. It doesn’t have to be a therapy thing. 

After you’ve got the cancer diagnosis, you do not hear horses when you hear hoof beats after you’ve had cancer, you’re only thinking of zebras.

The importance of sharing your cancer story

It’s so worth getting stuff checked out when you think something is even a little bit wrong. Waiting is just going to increase your anxiety and ultimately make things worse. Things usually don’t just go away.

Ben shares his cancer story through standup comedy to promote testicular cancer awareness

Some of my friends make a joke about it now. Essentially, when I meet new people, I say, “I’m Ben. Do you want to hear about my testicle?” Because I want to talk about it. I want to tell people about it because it’s way more common than people think it is. People don’t talk about it because it’s about genitals, and that’s stupid to me. Everyone’s got it. Not necessarily testicles, but genitals.

I just keep on talking about it. Some of my friends say, “Ben’s meeting a new person. He’s going to talk about his genitals.” I think it is ultimately a funny story, or at least I’ve turned it into a funny story. It’s the best form of advocacy possible – talking directly to someone and saying, “Hey, this is a thing you should know about and get checked on. It’s worth it. It’s so worth it.” I’ve had multiple people go to the doctor just to do a quick screening after talking to me because I thought there was something wrong, but I didn’t do anything about it and I wound up having it twice. 

It’s so worth getting stuff checked out when you think something is even a little bit wrong. Waiting is just going to increase your anxiety and ultimately make things worse. Things usually don’t just go away. We like to think that they do, but they go away after you do something. You gotta be active. You got to be an advocate as well. Talk to people and advocate for yourself and for these communities. It’s not worth being quiet because people will ultimately wind up being a detriment to themselves like I was if you’re quiet.

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Reflections

If I hadn’t had a good healthcare team, then maybe I would be able to call myself a cancer survivor, but I am a cancer defeater. I much prefer to stick a middle finger up to cancer instead of being like, “I lived.” No, I killed it.

Do you still get scans?

I’m done getting scans. It’s been a few years. My doctor said, “If something was going to happen, it would have happened by now.” So I don’t have to go in to get scans right now, but if something’s wrong, I’m going to the doctor.

Do you still experience anxiety post-cancer? 

I think there was more anxiety when I was getting scans. Every time I would go in once a month or once every 3 months, it would be a day of dread. Like, this is going to be the day that they’re going to say it. But as long as I feel good, as long as I don’t have any symptoms, as long as I actually go to the doctor and get my eczema fixed to not get freaked out, and as long as I take those steps, the anxiety over cancer is gone. 

Being a cancer defeater 

I call myself a survivor. Or cured, actually. Personally, I don’t like the term cancer survivor. There’s something that bugs me about it. It sounds like I almost died. I didn’t almost die. I had a good healthcare team. If I hadn’t had a good healthcare team, then maybe I would be able to call myself a cancer survivor, but I am a cancer defeater. I much prefer to stick a middle finger up to cancer instead of being like, “I lived.” No, I killed it.

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Melissa’s Stage 1 Triple Negative Breast Cancer Story

Melissa’s Stage 1 Triple Negative Breast Cancer Story

Breast cancer ran in Melissa’s family, prompting her mother to encourage her to get a BRCA gene test. Reluctantly, Melissa agreed and the results confirmed that she was a carrier of the BRCA gene. For years, Melissa was monitored biannually for breast cancer. 

After a clear MRI, Melissa was given a routine mammogram and check-up. A small, pea-size lump was detected and biopsied. At the age of 42 after years of checkups, Melissa discovered she had stage 1 triple-negative breast cancer. 

Melissa is now the founder of Cancer Fashionista and the Dear Cancer, I’m Beautiful podcast, as well as the board chair for the Triple Negative Breast Cancer Foundation. She shares her cancer story with us and encouragement for those on their own cancer journeys.

Melissa Berry shares her cancer story with the Patient Story
  • Name: Melissa B. 
  • Diagnosis (DX):
  • Staging: 1
  • Symptoms:
    • Pea-sized lump
  • Age at DX: 42
  • Treatment:
Melissa's cancer journey timeline

If you can, face your fear and get through each day the best that you can, and enjoy your life even as you’re going through a diagnosis and treatment.

Melissa B.

This interview has been edited for clarity and length. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider for treatment decisions.


Table Of Contents
  1. BRCA Testing & Diagnosis 
  2. Processing A Diagnosis 
  3. Surgery
  4. Chemotherapy
  5. Survivorship 
  6. Reflections

BRCA Testing & Diagnosis 

Tell us about yourself

My name is Melissa Berry. I’m a 10-year triple-negative breast cancer survivor. I am also the board chair for the Triple Negative Breast Cancer Foundation and the founder of Cancer Fashionista. My hobby and my work are sort of the same. 

I love doing my podcast, Dear Cancer, I’m Beautiful. It’s my happy place and an incredible passion project of mine. I love spending time with my daughters. I have 2 daughters. Erica is 17 and Maya is almost 21. I can’t even believe it, as I say that. I also really love to cook and do anything outside and I love 80s music.

Melissa loves spending time with her daughters
What were your first symptoms? 
Breast cancer ran in Melissa's family

In my case, it wasn’t so much symptomatic. I was followed very closely because I was a BRCA gene carrier. So to rewind the story a little bit, there’s a lot of breast cancer in my family, particularly on my mother’s side. My mother had breast cancer, her mother had breast cancer – that’s my maternal grandmother – my maternal great aunt, who is my grandma’s sister, and my great aunt’s daughter, my mom’s first cousin, all had breast cancer. My mother was pretty adamant about me getting tested for the BRCA gene. 

Around the time that I was about 32 years old, I decided to get tested for the gene and I was really afraid to do that because I didn’t want to be walking around feeling like, when am I going to get breast cancer? Instead, I shifted the dialogue with myself and I thought, this could be empowering and a roadmap to my health. My breast cancer story really began there and then I was actually diagnosed during a routine mammogram.

How did you feel about getting BRCA gene testing?

A lot of anxiety. You could ask my mom. She was bugging me and I’m like, I’m busy. I really pushed it away for a while because we’re human. It’s scary to be given the choice of knowing something like that. But knowledge really is power and I will tell you and anyone else who’s tuning in that that genetic test saved my life. My mother saved my life because, had I not been tested, I would not have been diagnosed at such an early stage and could have been diagnosed at a much later stage. 

Melissa believes her mom's encouragement to get a BRCA test saved her life

Triple-negative breast cancer is very, very aggressive and I was lucky enough to have caught it at stage 1. I’m very grateful, very lucky, and this is why I do what I do because there are just too many opportunities to miss a window like that.

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Describe your breast cancer screenings 

I always like to frame these answers that everybody is different. Follow-up, protocol, and being monitored is not a one size fits all. In my particular case, it was going for an MRI, a mammogram, and an ultrasound every 6 months. It was, I call it, like a womb. I felt like I was safe, I was being watched, and I was not going to get breast cancer.

How long after getting the BRCA test were you diagnosed? 

I had the BRCA test at 32 and I was diagnosed at 42.

Were you getting scans every 6 months during that time? 

Yep. Exactly.

How did you feel during your biannual breast cancer scans? 

I definitely felt very anxious. God, so anxious. Especially the mammogram. I got used to the MRI. You’re in a tube, they have to give you the contrasts and then the sound. Everyone’s different, but my anxiety was definitely heightened. Sometimes I would go after work and I’d be so exhausted that I would sleep through most of it. For anyone that’s listening, I recommend doing it when you’re kind of tired. Maybe at the end of the day instead of the beginning of the day.

Melissa felt anxious getting routine breast cancer scans
How were you diagnosed with breast cancer? 

I was really caught off guard because I had just gone for an MRI. I’m like, mammogram time now. I live in New Jersey, and I was being followed in New York City at Sloan-Kettering. My doctor, who I loved was like, “Melissa, you don’t need to schlep into the city anymore. Go to your local hospital.” And I did. 

Melissa learned during a routine mammogram that she had stage 1 breast cancer

I was just going for a routine mammogram and I was not with any doctor that I normally see. I went in and the technician felt my left breast because it is protocol that they need to do a clinical exam where they feel your breast before the mammogram. The clinician felt a very, very tiny lump on my left breast and she put a sticker on it. I almost wanted to dismiss the whole thing. I’m like, that’s impossible. I just had an MRI. I’m fine. 

They did a mammogram right there. They didn’t see anything. They did a biopsy and really didn’t see anything. But thank goodness, the head of the cancer center there insisted on doing a deep needle biopsy because he said he saw a shadow. Thank goodness he did that because that’s where they did detect a cancerous tumor and because of how quickly it popped up, my oncologist knew right away that it was likely triple-negative.

Did you feel the lump prior to your diagnosis?

This is why we really need to know our bodies and not beat ourselves up if we miss something. Or maybe you dismiss it. This is why we rely on our doctors also to monitor us.

No, it was so tiny that I thought I was imagining things. I really didn’t think anything of it. And like I said, I had just gone for an MRI. But this is why it’s so important to really know your body. If you’re like, that feels a little funny. Because I’ll tell you, it felt like if you put a pea inside your breast and it was just kind of floating around. It felt tiny, tiny, tiny and I really didn’t think it was. 

I didn’t realize it was there until she was like, “Don’t you feel that?” It was almost undetectable. This is why we really need to know our bodies and not beat ourselves up if we miss something. Or maybe you dismiss it. This is why we rely on our doctors also to monitor us. That’s why it’s so important to get mammograms at an earlier age so that you have this baseline.

How did you react to your cancer diagnosis

One of the toughest things that I ever had to hear. I remember feeling like the room was spinning, and I just kept thinking, this isn’t really happening. Until they told me, I really didn’t think that anything was wrong. I was concerned but I had it in my head that I had this clean MRI. When the doctor came into the room and said, “I see a shadow,” that’s when I knew that something was really wrong. 

I’ll never forget, my phone was really low on battery. I remember standing outside of the exam room in my robe asking someone for a charger. I just felt so alone and afraid because it wasn’t the sort of checkup or appointment where you suspect something, so maybe you bring your partner or your family member with you. I was by myself. 

They did the deep needle biopsy and said, “Why don’t you go ahead in the waiting room? We’re just going to take a look at it.” Then when I saw the doctor come with 2 nurses, I’m like, here it comes. He said, “You have breast cancer.” I remember thinking to myself, it must not actually be like the breast cancer. This is a mistake. I don’t know what’s going on. It was very surreal. Very surreal.

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Processing A Diagnosis 

Melissa didn't know anything about triple negative breast cancer before her diagnosis
How much did you know about triple-negative breast cancer before your diagnosis? 

Zero. I didn’t even know that there were different types of breast cancer. That’s why I am so passionate about my role as board chair for the Triple Negative Breast Cancer Foundation because it is so important that we know that, first of all, there are different types of breast cancer and not to Google it if you have breast cancer because there are not only so many different types but so many different treatments.

What is triple-negative breast cancer? 

Triple-negative breast cancer lacks estrogen and receptors so it’s very difficult to treat. There’s chemotherapy and surgery and there’s so much work that’s being done and so much research. We are really moving the needle and starting to see some change there because we used to say that there was no targeted treatment but we’re getting closer and closer. It is definitely trickier and more aggressive.

Triple negative breast cancer is trickier and more aggressive than common breast cancer types
What happened after your diagnosis?

The next day I saw my breast surgeon. It was pretty imminent that it was surgery and chemotherapy. We all have choices. We all have options. But the way that it was presented to me is that if you want to get rid of this cancer and live, then this is what we need to do. I put my trust in my doctors and thank God that I did. I did have chemotherapy and a bilateral mastectomy.

I had the surgery first then the chemo. For anyone listening, I’m not offering medical advice. This is 10 years ago and it depends on the stage and the type. There are so many different ways to deal with it, but in my case, that’s how we did it.

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The emotional aspect of breast cancer surgery 
Melissa said goodbye to her breasts before surgery

I remember actually looking at them and saying goodbye because I didn’t really know how else to deal with it. It was really, really, really hard because they’re you.

There’s a really emotional side to this because they’re your breasts. When you’re a little girl, you’re like, look, they’re growing. They’re a part of your body. They’re a part of your femininity. I was lucky enough to have children. I nursed both of my babies. We’re always trying bras on like, how do they look? It’s a part of our anatomy. It’s part of how we carry ourselves. 

The night before, you have to do a special wash before surgery. I remember actually looking at them and saying goodbye because I didn’t really know how else to deal with it. It was really, really, really hard because they’re you. It’s your body. The way that I tried to cancel it out is like, okay, you’ve served me. Thank you very much and now it’s time for the cancer to go bye-bye. Instead of looking like a loss, I’m like, I’m going to win and I’m going to get rid of the cancer.

Surgery

Why do you wash prior to surgery? 

It’s to sterilize, to get rid of any potential germs, or to prevent infection. There’s a clinical name for it, Hibiclens. 

Were you given the option of having implants or being flat? 

I did have a bilateral mastectomy. I was given the option of implants. There wasn’t much conversation about whether I wanted to be flat or not. I know that’s more common now, which makes me so happy because I think we should know what all of our options are and never assume anything. In my case, I did want to reconstruct my breasts and I wanted them to be as close to my natural breasts as possible. I did go the implant surgery route.

Melissa discusses the option between implants and being flat chested
How long was the surgery? 

It was several hours. The recovery wasn’t terrible, but reconstruction in some cases could be multiple surgeries. Again, everyone is different. When you first have a bilateral mastectomy, if you are going to reconstruct, they put expanders inside the chest cavity so that they can then fill them with fluid to see what size your chest can accommodate. Then you have what’s called swap surgery or implant surgery where you have the implants put in. That was how I approached it.

How long did it take for you to recover? 

I forget, but it was a while. I guess it depends on how you define recovery. Was I able to lift the laundry basket right away? No, but you can walk and slowly do things and the doctors monitor you. After a certain time, you can go back to regular exercise. But it was some time until I was able to really feel like myself again.

Chemotherapy

Melissa had to begin chemo quickly after surgery
How long after surgery did you start chemo?

It was pretty much right after.

How did you process going from surgery to chemo so quickly? 

Honestly, 10 years later, I still feel like I’m trying to process. Sometimes I’m like, that happened. It’s wild. One thing I taught myself was to take baby steps and that’s what I tell the newly diagnosed. If you look at your whole schedule of appointments and all of the steps and all of the surgeries and all of the chemo, it’s too overwhelming. I like to not even do it day by day. I say hour by hour because it is incredibly overwhelming and it’s a lot. I compartmentalized everything when I was going through surgery. I tried not to think about the chemo too much or to overwhelm myself with knowing that that was going to be another wave. I really tried to stay in the moment and just get through each day the best that I could.

Melissa is still processing her cancer diagnosis 10 years later

One thing I taught myself was to take baby steps and that’s what I tell the newly diagnosed…I like to not even do it day by day. I say hour by hour because it is incredibly overwhelming and it’s a lot.

How did you feel about chemo?

I was scared to death, honestly. I was scared out of my mind. I was afraid to lose my hair, I was afraid to lose my life, not in that order. My lashes. I was afraid that I wouldn’t be able to be a good parent. Oh, my God. I didn’t mean to get emotional. I was afraid of everything. Everything seems really scary. 

Melissa feared chemo
Melissa was afraid to lose her hair during chemo
Melissa did not know what to expect with chemo

I’m not very religious. I just felt like I needed to believe in something. A friend of mine told me about an energy healer, and now I meditate and I love Reiki and all this stuff, but I never was into any of this. I went to an energy healer who lives near me and she performed Reiki and I remember crying. I was so scared of chemo, I’m like, “I don’t want to die.” She said, “I want you to do something for me. Take your shoes off.” I was like, what? She’s like, “Take your shoes off. I want you to put your feet on the ground.” I still do this to this day, I will put my feet on the ground. And she said to me, “Right now is the only guarantee that any of us have. Anybody.” That grounds me and it’s really hard to believe that. She also told me, “When you’re looking at that bag of chemo juice” – they call it the Red Devil – “look at it as your light. It’s your light, your bridge to the next part of your life.” 

For those that are metastatic that are listening, it could bring you more life and longevity and even more years. Don’t look at it as a scary thing that’s going to hurt you. It’s so hard because the symptoms can be very debilitating. That’s how I had to grab onto something.

Did you continue to see her through your cancer treatments?

I did. I worked with her through chemo. I still have my little meditation area. I have this crumpled-up piece of paper, it’s 10 years old, but there’s a mantra on there, and I still read it to myself every day. It’s about life, that we create miracles, that we’re all part of that cycle, and to believe in miracles.

What were your side effects on chemo?

When you have not done anything, I had never had chemo before, I had no idea what to expect. The one thing I wish I had known is the emotional side effects of the medication. I could joke about it now, but I remember after getting my steroid injection, I was like superwoman for an entire day. I would have such a crazy amount of energy. I’m sure a lot of people listening will be able to relate to this. I would clean the entire house, I would make enough food for the entire week and then I would collapse. I took advantage of those times so that I could prepare the house and do things. It was a wild roller coaster that I wish I had known more about. 

One of the first questions I had was, Oh my God, I’m going to be throwing up the whole time. I’m going to be nauseous. My oncologist said, “Melissa, if you’re nauseous, then we’re not doing our job.” I didn’t have a tremendous amount of issues with that because I was bouncing out with medication. 

Melissa shares the side effects she experienced on chemo

The side effects, especially with my type of chemotherapy, it’s layered, it’s progressive. The first infusion, I’m like, I feel great. What’s the deal? Then as you go, you get fatigue, that really got me. Also, my appetite was weird. One minute I didn’t want to eat anything, and then it was almost like being pregnant, like a weird craving for mac and cheese out of nowhere. I remember at one point I couldn’t even look at chicken or fish. Again, everyone is different.

How many cycles of chemo did you have?

I had 12 cycles.

Were you getting scans during your chemo?

It was primarily after the treatment. I was very closely monitored and then they would stretch it out. In my particular case, there were not a tremendous amount of scans. There was one white knuckle moment where they did want to do a full body scan and that was very upsetting and scary, but I did. Thank goodness, everything was fine, but it was very scary.

What prompted a full body scan?

There was a blood test and there was a level that was a little bit of a red flag, and that’s what prompted the test.

Survivorship 

Were you NED post-surgery?

Yeah. I had no lymph node involvement, luckily, and that’s why I was diagnosed with stage 1. I don’t think they could have considered me NED after the surgery because even though the tumor was removed, the reason we do chemotherapy is to annihilate any cells that could have escaped. So to the best of my knowledge, I am NED. 

Describe what survivorship has been like for you

I continue to see my oncologist. It’s weird to say that it’s just annual now and it took me a while to get used to that. It’s a weird thing with cancer. A lot of us don’t want to be told, Alright, you’re dismissed. It’s like, No, no, no. Please keep watching me.

Melissa's oncologist told her survivorship is the hardest part

My oncologist was in the military, so we had these funny little inside jokes, like right before chemo, he would pat me on the back and be like, “Locked and loaded.” On my last appointment with him, after the last chemo, he said, “Melissa, survivorship is the hardest part.” I didn’t really understand it because I was like, I don’t know what you’re talking about. I just had my last infusion and I can’t wait to run. I’m running home. But it really is because when you’re going for all these appointments and you’re being closely watched and you’re having your infusions, it’s like a womb. It’s like you’re inside a womb and it’s safe and you’re being watched and there’s a certain level of comfort and safety with that. When you’re told, “Everything’s good. Go on with your life.” It’s like, wait a second. I still want you to check me. That’s human nature. Of course, we want that to feel safe.

Have you experienced challenges in survivorship? 

I think my biggest challenge is now my daughters, especially because we have such a strong family history and navigating them through genetic testing and all of that. 

Melissa and her two daughters

I think a lot of us could be really hard on ourselves like, I can’t believe I had a glass of wine. I shouldn’t have done that. Or, I can’t believe I had a cheeseburger. I think with survivorship comes, it’s okay. Everything in moderation to enjoy yourself. Allowing yourself to enjoy, that can sometimes be a challenge. We could be very hard on ourselves. Something that I still struggle with as a cancer survivor is, at the end of the day, I never feel satisfied. I’m like, I didn’t get it all done. There’s this need to get it all done every single day. And that’s something that I struggle with. I was a little bit like that before, but it’s even worse now.

I think a lot of us could be really hard on ourselves like, I can’t believe I had a glass of wine. I shouldn’t have done that. Or, I can’t believe I had a cheeseburger. I think with survivorship comes, it’s okay. Everything in moderation to enjoy yourself.

What does survivorship mean to you?

Survivorship means something different to so many people, especially in our community. There’s survivorship, there’s thrivorship. If you can, face your fear and get through each day the best that you can, and enjoy your life even as you’re going through a diagnosis and treatment. There were so many times that I felt so sad and so depressed and in such a dark place. These things are our outcomes, the treatment, it’s out of our control. But if there’s one thing I’ve learned, especially from watching a lot of my metastatic friends in the community, is to try and enjoy each day as much as you can. 

Really advocate for yourself. Oftentimes, if that little voice inside you is like, I don’t know if I really like what this doctor is telling me, I think this is something. I don’t think it should be dismissed. Do not ignore that voice. Get another opinion. I can’t stress it enough if you feel like your doctor doesn’t have time to talk to you, if their hand is on the doorknob the second you start talking, get another doctor. Another thing I learned is, think of your doctor as your consultant. They work for you and you have the choice to seek another consultant.

If you can, face your fear and get through each day the best that you can, and enjoy your life even as you’re going through a diagnosis and treatment.

Melissa encourages those with breast cancer to enjoy life

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Handling trauma from a cancer diagnosis 

None of us are given instructions on how to handle trauma like this. It’s interesting how our brain works. I’ve observed it and I’ve taken the things that have helped me and shared them with my community. I like to call them my little sisters. Anyone that was diagnosed 6 months ago or someone that’s being diagnosed right now as we’re recording this that’s receiving their news, I like to sprinkle the golden nuggets that I found to be helpful for me.

Reflections

What led you to the work you do now in the cancer community?

None of us are given instructions on how to handle trauma like this. It’s interesting how our brain works. I’ve observed it and I’ve taken the things that have helped me and shared them with my community.

Melissa's love of fashion helped inspire her to create Cancer Fashionista

I was a fashion and beauty publicist in my first life. I always loved fashion. As a little girl, my mom would take me shopping, I had Barbie dolls, the whole nine. I went to Marist College for fashion design and I ended up doing an internship with Anne Klein, which I loved. I remember my director was like, “But it’s in the PR department.” I’m like, “It’s not in the design department?” He’s like, “No, don’t worry, you’ll be able to watch the fittings.” So I fell in love with PR. It was very Devil Wears Prada, but I loved working with the magazines. I worked for companies like BCBG, Maidenform, and American Eagle Outfitters. I even got to coordinate an interview with Sarah Jessica Parker once with the Associated Press. I had a wild and crazy job. 

When I was diagnosed with breast cancer, once I knew what my course of treatment was, I was like, I don’t need to look like a supermodel. I just want to look like myself and how am I going to have a meeting with Vogue magazine if I look like I have cancer? I really just wanted to maintain my integrity. That’s such an important word to me. When you lose your hair and your lashes, it’s very easy to lose your femininity. I went online, and I’m like, where’s the Vogue of breast cancer? Nothing was in one place. I’m like, where do I get lashes? Where do I get wigs from? How do I tie a scarf? What kind of makeup should I wear? 

I started a list and one of the first brands that I fell in love with was AnaOno Intimates. The founder, Dana is a dear friend of mine and we’ve worked on lots of amazing projects since then. I started this list and then my mom, the same annoying mom who was bugging me to get a BRCA test, was like, “Melissa, [I need] that list for a friend of a friend.” And my friends would be like, “Oh my God, my friend was diagnosed.” My friend Tina was my arms and legs during chemo. She has a British accent and she was like, “Melissa, you ought to start a blog.” I’m like, “Tina, I can’t even fry an egg…Okay, I’ll make a blog.” 

Cancer Fashionista provides resources to women with cancer

In the middle of all this, I woke up one morning and it was weird. It just came to me. I’m like, Cancer Fashionista. I started a blog, and when I realized that there were other women out there that needed the resources that I needed, I’m like, this is cool. I guess I’ll throw something on Facebook. Maybe I’ll put something on Instagram.

Fast forward a few years later, I’m the board chair for the Triple Negative Breast Cancer Foundation. I’m a full-time breast cancer advocate, and I founded my podcast, Dear Cancer, I’m Beautiful, which is a really fun extension of Cancer Fashionista. I like to think of it as a library that you could dip in and out of. Oh, I need to know about lashes. Oh, what about bone health? Oh, what about wigs? What kind of makeup should I wear? It’s all there, and that’s where I am today. It’s crazy.

Melissa founded and hosted the Dear Cancer, I'm Beautiful podcast
Where do you find resources for Cancer Fashionista? 

It’s a little bit of everything. I Google around. I hear from women in the community, because I’m no longer in treatment, but I’ll ask them. They’re the best resource really. I’m like, “What do you guys love? What’s working for you?” I’m grateful that brands reach out to me and let me know when they’re working on something that’s relevant to the community. I love being the agent and looking for the talent out there and the amazing new inventions. A lot of them, honestly, are from survivors. I like to call us cancer-preneurs.

The importance of finding a cancer community
Melissa expresses the importance of connecting with a cancer community

I cannot express enough that there is nothing that can replace a connection between 2 patients or more because they are in the thick of it and they are able to exchange information and share things that sometimes the doctors may not know about.

Cancer is certainly not anything that we plan. The one thing that I would say that’s so important is I was never much of a group joiner before this thing called breast cancer happened to me but it’s really important to plug into a community, whether it’s virtual or in-person. Go to that conference, join that Zoom call. The Triple Negative Breast Cancer Foundation actually has an incredible meetup call. We have several throughout the month for both metastatic breast cancer survivors as well as triple-negative breast cancer survivors. 

I cannot express enough that there is nothing that can replace a connection between 2 patients or more because they are in the thick of it and they are able to exchange information and share things that sometimes the doctors may not know about. It’s community, community, community, community. It’s so important and you actually make friends. I have actual real-life friends now that I go to brunch with and do fun things with.

Thank you for sharing your cancer story with us, Melissa!
Melissa is the board chair of the Triple Negative Breast Cancer Foundation

Thank you so much for having me on The Patient Story. I’m a huge fan and I’m so glad we’ve had the pleasure of meeting in person. 

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Alesia’s Diffuse Large B-Cell Lymphoma (DLBCL) Cancer Story

Alesia’s Diffuse Large B-Cell Lymphoma (DLBCL) Cancer Story

As a kindergarten teacher, Alesia assumed her fatigue, shortness of breath, and swelling around the face and throat were work-related symptoms or simply allergies. It wasn’t until her throat became swollen to the point of being unable to swallow that she visited the E.R.

At the E.R., doctors discovered a 10-centimeter tumor in her chest. Alesia was shortly thereafter diagnosed with diffuse large B-cell lymphoma (DLBCL). She began chemo cancer treatments immediately. 

Now 4 months in remission, Alesia shares her cancer story with us, including her side effects from dose-adjusted EPOCH and rituximab, struggling with hair loss, coping with the mental toll of a cancer diagnosis, and her advice to those on their own cancer journeys.

Alesia is a kindergarten teacher in Philadelphia
Alesia's cancer journey timeline

Feel your feelings. Take hold of your thoughts. Find support groups, whether it’s family, friends, or community online, and definitely be an advocate for yourself because you need you.

Alesia A.

This interview has been edited for clarity and length. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider for treatment decisions.


Symptoms & Scans

Tell us about yourself

My name is Alesia. I’m 32 years old from South New Jersey. I am a kindergarten teacher. I work as a teacher in Philadelphia, and I really enjoy that. I’ll be going into my fourth year of teaching, so I’m really excited. In my free time, I like to do photography, be with friends and family, get ice cream, enjoy the summer, go to the beach, and things like that. The simple things.

What were your first symptoms? 

I just brushed it off like I’m stressed, I’m working, I’m tired, I’m not exercising enough. Maybe that’s why I’m getting shortness of breath.

She experienced symptoms of cancer like extreme fatigue

It all started during my second year of teaching. I didn’t really start experiencing symptoms until around November of 2021. My main symptom was fatigue. I would get really tired. 

I also noticed a little bit of shortness of breath. At my school, we would have to take the stairs to go up. Usually going up the stairs, I’m like, this is great, this is exercise. Then after a while I’m like, why do I feel like I’m getting winded after only the second staircase? But I didn’t think anything of it. I was like, maybe I just need to exercise more. Those were the 2 main symptoms that I started to experience. 

Alesia assumed her symptoms were nothing

I just brushed it off like I’m stressed, I’m working, I’m tired, I’m not exercising enough. Maybe that’s why I’m getting shortness of breath. Being an anxious person, experiencing panic attacks, feeling chest pains, maybe it’s COVID. That’s what I was experiencing all of that year, and it was unexplainable things.

It started to gradually increase as the year went by. From springtime into summer, I found myself taking naps. I was a person that never did naps, but I did naps and the naps would take 4 hours. Even my family was like, “This is odd. Are you okay?” I’m like, I’m just really tired. I would sleep 8 hours and wake up. I remember being in a church service and dozing off. I was like, oh my gosh, what is happening to me? 

It wasn’t until July of 2022, I started getting moon face swelling in my throat and in my face. It started in my eyes, but then it got even worse, to the point where I couldn’t swallow. I was like, okay, this isn’t good. All this time I’m thinking maybe it’s allergies, but now that I can’t swallow, I need to go to my doctor. Those were all my symptoms, especially having night sweats.

Were night sweats common for you?

No, I never had night sweats like that. Waking up and having to change my bed sheets and my pajamas. It was very odd. It’s springtime or summer so it’s in the 80s and I was like, it’s really hot.

Did you have any indication that it could be cancer?

My primary doctor took me in, and right away, she did not like what she saw.

Her swelling got to the point where she couldn't swallow

I honestly had no clue. I thought it was allergies. Crazy enough, when I couldn’t swallow, I still went to work. Confessions of a workaholic. My principal and co-worker were like, “Please go see your doctor,” so I did. I left work and they took me. My primary doctor took me in, and right away, she did not like what she saw. She ordered STAT CAT scans of my neck and everything. She said in the meantime, “I’m going to order you an EpiPen. Change your sheets if it is allergies because we don’t know what this is, but let’s take all the necessary precautions.”

Getting further tests and scans to reach a diagnosis

Doctors and fellows were constantly coming to me like, “This is mostly likely a tumor, and the size of it is crazy big.”

Doctors suspected Alesia had a tumor

Everything happened so quickly. After that initial CAT scan my doctor ordered, I did it right away and she got the results back fairly quickly. She told me, “There’s some type of mass in your chest. I want you to go to the E.R.” I’m like, mass? Oh, my goodness. But I was still hopeful it was just a cyst or something. You don’t want to think anything bad. 

I went to the E.R. and had constant communication with my family, letting them know what was happening. I got there around 4:00 or so. That night, I had another CAT scan. They did a bone marrow biopsy. Doctors and fellows were constantly coming to me like, “This is mostly likely a tumor, and the size of it is crazy big.” There were a good amount of tests that I had during that initial diagnosis.

Diagnosis 

How did you process possibly having a tumor?

I really couldn’t. I was staring at the doctor, like, okay. It was just really hard for me to wrap everything around it until the actual chemo bag was hung like, oh, this is actually happening.

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How soon after going to the E.R. were you diagnosed?

My diagnosis was the day after, August 25th.

What was your diagnosis?

My diagnosis came back as non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma diffuse large B-cell and my subtype was primary mediastinal B-cell lymphoma. I was diagnosed on August 25th, 2022 with a 10-centimeter-sized tumor in my chest.

The day after her trip to the E.R., Alesia was diagnosed with non-Hodgkin's lymphoma
How did you react to your cancer diagnosis?

It was just a sigh of relief. Literally, a sigh of relief. Like, I wasn’t crazy. Because like I said, all that school year, I thought something was wrong with me but I couldn’t pinpoint what it was. Having anxiety, panic attacks, being so tired. I was blaming everything on work, but I just knew my body was off and I felt like I couldn’t explain anything that was happening to me. It was scary. But honestly, it was just a sigh of relief. Like, there’s finally an answer and I’m seriously not crazy.

Did you have anxiety prior to cancer? 

That’s something that I’ve had before.

Treatment & Side Effects

Alesia had long hair which fell out due to chemo

Losing my hair was very traumatizing. I didn’t think it would happen so quickly.

What cancer treatments did you undergo?

I was on the regular med search floor. The oncology team came to me and they’re like, “This is the plan. We’re going to move you to the oncology department and then we’re going to lay everything out. We’re going to start treatment right away.” They did that quickly. Then they came to me and had all the paperwork, explanation, and information about the type of treatment that they were going to start me on. 

Alesia was on rituximab for DLBCL

They started off with, “This is the type of cancer that you have and this is the type of treatment that will work well for you.” I was started on dose-adjusted EPOCH. What it looked like was, I would have to have treatment every 3 weeks, 5 days inpatient and it’ll be continuously running for 96 hours. It was a very, very intense treatment, followed by rituximab outpatient.

What side effects did you experience from cancer treatment?

My side effects were definitely nausea, hair loss, and extreme fatigue. I did have a short time of problems with edema, then we figured out what was happening. It was part of the prednisone treatment, so they had to cut back because I would swell a lot in my arms and in my face which was causing problems.

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How did you process your hair loss?
Alesia felt her hair was her identity

I was definitely worried about it. For me, my hair was part of my identity. I had very big hair. I was usually known for my hair. I loved doing my hair. I always had braids or kinky twists in my hair, different styles. 

Losing my hair was very traumatizing. I didn’t think it would happen so quickly. It was after my first treatment. I had braids in, so I was planning on doing one last hurrah hairstyle. My mom was helping me and she was trying to tell me, “I don’t know if this is going to work out. There are chunks coming out, but we can keep trying.” It didn’t work out.

Alesia encourages cancer patients to grieve and process hair loss

What would you say to someone experiencing hair loss from chemo?

It’s okay to grieve and you can grieve however long it needs to take. Because it was literally a part of you. It’s something that made you who you are or who you were. But there can be new beauty in it and a new level of trying to learn how to love yourself however you may look. Know that you are still you but you’re becoming someone better.

How did you cope with the side effects of treatment?

I took a lot of rest and tried to drink fluids. I didn’t do anything crazy, but I watched what I would eat and paid attention to what made me feel good and what made me not feel good. It was a little hard because I couldn’t eat as much. I had a loss of appetite. I took it easy and tried to move around as well.

There can be new beauty in it and a new level of trying to learn how to love yourself however you may look. Know that you are still you but you’re becoming someone better.

The mental aspect was hard because cancer in general is just a traumatic experience, let alone being in the hospital for 5 days just sitting in the room. I did make a point to take laps around the nurse’s station. I would bring things to help me feel better, like my Bible or my coloring books and crayons, my video game systems, and books. Anything that could help me deal with that space for a long period of time. 

I’m not going to dismiss the fact that it was really hard. There were times when I lacked the motivation to participate in any of the things I had, like reading or anything, because the focus wasn’t there. 

Sometimes it did feel lonely, but I did have and I still do have amazing support. My mom has been with me throughout my treatments. My brothers will make it a point to visit me. I’d have friends visit me and keep in touch with me. Those things helped me get through it, but the mental aspect was definitely hard because time kind of stops when life is still moving for your friends and family. That was just hard. It’s like, you’re getting treatment and you have to stop your life to undergo treatment. I came out of it and now I’m picking up where I left off.

Alesia discusses the mental toll of being in cancer treatment

Survivorship

Alesia was on da-EPOCH chemo
Alesia completed cancer treatments
Did you finish your cancer treatments?

I finished treatment the week of Christmas and I took off about 2.5 months. I went back to work at the end of March which was good for me. I wasn’t sure how long I should wait to go back to work, but I figured around that time would be good because it will only be a short amount of time before summer break.

Did you have follow-up scans after your treatments ended?

After treatment, my doctor wanted to wait a few weeks for the treatment to, as she says, marinate within my body to get its last work in before my PET scan. It’s about 2 or 3 weeks out before I had my PET scan. Then a week in between when I saw my doctor. At about 3 weeks, I had my PET scan, and then in a week, I saw my doctor which was nice. The PET scan was part of my medical [procedure] at the hospital. So when they got the results, my doctor was able to see it and message me, “These are the results. Don’t worry about it. I’ll see you soon and we’ll talk about it.” So that was nice.

Alesia is now no evidence of disease
What were the results of that last PET scan?

The tumor had shrunk significantly to the point where I’m no evidence of disease, so I was good to go. She’s like, “I will not see you again until your next checkup,” which was nice.

How does it feel to have no evidence of disease? 

It’s just a breath of fresh air. It’s just like, I don’t have to deal with this anymore.

How frequently do you get scans now?

Not as much, because my doctor doesn’t want me to get a lot of scans for risk of any kidney problems. 

I just pray, take breathing techniques, and try to think of the positives instead of the negatives. Or think more positively than negatively, because I’m still going to think negatively.

Alesia tries to remain positive to avoid scanxiety
Post-cancer swelling issues
She has had issues with swelling post-cancer

I’m still having issues with my swelling. My tumor was in my chest and encased the superior vena cava vein, so it scarred that vein shut, which is my major vein that causes the blood flow to go through my arms and circulate through my head. That was the reason for the swelling. Since that scar shut, now I’m having superior vena cava syndrome, or SVC for short. I’m still experiencing some swelling like I did before the diagnosis. 

I, unfortunately, did have to go to the E.R. again because I did feel a little bit of that swelling in my throat. But everything is still good. No relapse or anything, but I did have to get a CAT scan and potentially stents. I had that procedure about 2 weeks ago, which, good news, I didn’t need stents because my body made new pathways for the blood to circulate. But it’s something that will have to continually be followed up on. So the next scan, unless my doctor says anything else, will be 6 months out.

Do you experience scanxiety?

The scanxiety is so real. It’s the thought of “what if.” I definitely don’t want to think that way, but it’s just that natural, normal thought and feeling. I just pray, take breathing techniques, and try to think of the positives instead of the negatives. Or think more positively than negatively, because I’m still going to think negatively.

It’s, unfortunately, something that I’m going to have to endure lifelong. It’s going to be a constant battle of stress and PTSD. But knowing that I’m good and continuing to believe that I’m good.

Reflections

Alesia shares encouraging words for those on their cancer journeys

Feel your feelings. Take hold of your thoughts. Find support groups, whether it’s family, friends, or community online, and definitely be an advocate for yourself because you need you.

What would you say to someone currently on their cancer journey?

The journey is definitely a hard one, and I don’t want anyone to feel dismissed for their emotions or their thoughts. Their emotions and thoughts are valid and you are able to express the way that you need to express yourself. If you need to get angry, get angry, get sad, feel all those emotions. 

Find community. Community can be hard sometimes, but there is an amazing community within cancer support groups. A big support group online like Facebook and Instagram, I found and they have been helpful throughout the journey. 

Alesia highlights the importance of community
Alesia tells cancer patients to not give up
Alesia found a cancer community online

Family and friends, be real with them. It’s okay to be real with your loved ones and let them know that they will never understand. But for them to know how you’re feeling and to give them a chance to hear you and try to be in your shoes. 

Don’t give up. Continue to believe and hang on to hope. And be an advocate for yourself. Don’t be nervous or feel like you’re bothering your medical team. Be on them. Take every note that the doctor says. Ask if it’s okay to record what they’re saying to you. Ask if there are any other options. 

Feel your feelings. Take hold of your thoughts. Find support groups, whether it’s family, friends, or community online, and definitely be an advocate for yourself because you need you.

How did you advocate for yourself with doctors?
Alesia learned to advocate for herself as a patient

I’m the type of person that wants to make sure I understand. On my dad’s side, my brothers always ask questions and they always repeat questions like, “Did I hear you right?” It’s kind of like that. Especially since they’re that way, they want to know all the answers, especially if they’re not there in the room with me. That was one of the things.

It was helpful that my medical team said, please ask questions. Knowing that they will sit there with me to answer all those questions, [made me] feel at ease. I know not everybody will get that opportunity or have that type of medical team that will sit with you. But it’s like, no. This is my body. This is what I’m experiencing, and if you’re going to be on my medical team, I want you to answer my questions. I want you to help me understand so that this journey can be easier. That’s what I did. It’s definitely a partnership.

How are you feeling post-cancer?

I’m just happy to be 4 months in remission and continuing to go strong and learning this new normal post-treatment.

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1st Symptoms of relapse: Swelling in leg, leg edema Treatment:1st line - R-CHOP chemotherapy, 2nd line - clinical trial of venetoclax-selinexor

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1st Symptoms: Extreme fatigue
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FDA approved: October 2017

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Cancer details: Characteristics of both subtypes
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1st Symptoms: Pain in left knee
Treatment: R-CHOP chemo (6 cycles), high-dose methotrexate chemo (3 cycles)
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Megan-Claire’s Stage 2A Invasive Lobular Breast Cancer Story

Megan-Claire’s Stage 2A Invasive Lobular Breast Cancer Story

With ovarian and cervical cancer running in her family, as well as issues with her ovaries, Megan-Claire assumed she would get one of those cancers. Preventative early mammograms showed she was all-clear despite developing abnormal symptoms like green bruises, brittle hair, sudden weight gain, and a mass in her left breast. A biopsy revealed she had stage 2 invasive lobular breast cancer which doctors believed had been growing in her for 8-10 years. 

As a single woman, Megan-Claire was unsure of how she would afford the cost of her cancer treatments when she came across the number for the social worker assigned to her case. This led to financial breakthroughs through grants her social worker directed her to. Still, being single with cancer led to other challenges such as being her own caretaker. 

Megan-Claire shares her cancer story with us, including the challenges of finding good oncology care post-cancer, navigating the adverse side effects of cancer treatments, how she advocated for herself, how her quality of life changed, and her advice for others on their cancer journeys.

Megan Claire shares her cancer story on the Patient Story
  • Name: Megan-Claire C.
  • Diagnosis (DX):
  • Staging: 2
  • Symptoms:
    • Green bruises on lower left leg and left arm
    • Sudden weight gain
    • Dry, brittle hair
    • Zit on left breast
    • Mass in left breast
  • Age at DX: 39
  • Treatment:
    • Chemotherapy
      • Red Devil
      • Taxol
    • Surgeries
      • Quadrantectomy
      • Reconstruction 
      • Fat necrosis and hematoma removal 
      • Hysterectomy and oophorectomy 
    • Radiotherapy
    • Hormone Therapies
      • Lupron
      • Tamoxifen
    • Nerve ablation and spinal injections for back pain
    • ReBuilder for neuropathy
Megan-Claire's cancer journey timeline

Trust yourself and always remind them that [the doctors] are not the only ones making all the decisions. They can make suggestions for you, but it’s up to you to decide, is that the way I want to go?

Megan-Claire C.

This interview has been edited for clarity and length. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider for treatment decisions.


Table Of Contents
  1. Symptoms & Diagnosis 
  2. Treatments
  3. Side Effects
  4. Quality of Life
  5. Post-Cancer Complications 
  6. Reflections

Symptoms & Diagnosis 

Tell us about yourself

I am Megan-Claire Chase and Megan-Claire is my first name. I’m also known in the cancer space as Warrior Meg. I live right outside of Atlanta, Georgia, in Dunwoody. I get the best of both worlds because it’s right in the middle. I get the suburb feel and on the other side, I get the city feel because I like both. 

I grew up in Macon, Georgia and my claim to fame there is that I was a former Cherry Blossom Princess. The whole court portrait hangs on Cherry Street in the Cherry Blossom House to celebrate the cherry blossom trees. 

Megan Claire was a Cherry Blossom Princess
Megan Claire's portrait hangs on Cherry Street in the Cherry Blossom House
Megan Claire grew up in Macon Georgia
Megan Claire attended the college of Saint Rose

I went to college in upstate New York, the College of Saint Rose. The claim to fame there is Jimmy Fallon went there. I was a freshman when he was a junior, I believe, so I remember seeing him on campus. 

I moved out to LA for 5.5 years, then I came back because my mother, who was also an ovarian cancer survivor, now has a rare blood cancer. As an only child of divorced parents, I was like, you only have one mother. So I moved back, but I had to be in Atlanta. I was like, I’m not going back to Macon. It’s a great place to be raised, but not to stay permanently. I also have a cat named Nathan Edgar, also known as Baby Natey. He appears in many things that I do and he will be 20 in August.

Does cancer run in your family?

My maternal grandmother, my Nana, told our entire family, “Know what’s normal for your body because we are all different” and “It’s your patient right to be pushy.”

Ovarian and cervical cancer ran in Megan Claire's family

I always start telling my story with, I always knew I would get cancer. I just knew it, but I thought it would be ovarian or cervical. It took my parents 8 years to get pregnant. They did multiple rounds of IVF and during that third month, my mother was diagnosed with ovarian cancer. That was traumatic and scary. 

There was no scenario where both of us would survive and thrive. It was either one of us would die and one would live or both of us would die. It was very dire and she actually started hemorrhaging to death, which is why I was born 3 months early. I was supposed to be born in October. Instead, I was born July 3rd, which also happens to be my grandfather’s birthday. I was the favorite grandchild for a while because of that. 

Megan-Claire's mother was diagnosed with ovarian cancer while pregnant

My maternal grandmother, my Nana, told our entire family, “Know what’s normal for your body because we are all different” and “It’s your patient right to be pushy.” She has said that forever, may God rest her soul. 

Growing up, I had all of the same issues that my mother and my Nana did with my ovaries and I kept having abnormal pap smears. I really seemed to be on the path of one of those cancers. I got to have a preventative mammogram covered at the age of 35 because of that link between breast and ovarian.

I went and they told me, “You are clear. Come back when you’re 40.” I’m like okay, cool. Totally put it out of my head. They never went over the fact that I have dense breasts. My symptoms – and this is what really throws doctors for a loop – were very different than my white counterparts. That’s why I often tell people, especially those who are black and of color, that your symptoms may present differently. So it’s up to you to really push to make your doctors listen. That’s what happened to me. 

What were your first symptoms? 
Megan Claire's rapid weight gain was a symptom of breast cancer
Megan Claire began developing green bruises, a symptom of breast cancer
Megan Claire's hair became brittle and dry, a symptom of breast cancer

I started gaining weight before that preventative mammogram. The weight just started rapidly happening. As someone who grew up studying theater and ballet, and was a cheerleader in college, I was fit. Then all of a sudden, this weight. I went to the doctors and they said, “You just need to lose weight and eat better.” 

Now, these are all from chemo, these curls here. I never had curly hair, never wanted curly hair. My hair used to be straight and to my shoulders. I remember my stylist who had been doing my hair forever said, “Are you missing a nutrient? Because your hair is so dry and brittle.” Then it started falling out on the left side only. I’m like, What? I don’t know what is happening. 

This is over about 2.5 years. I got these tiny green bruises on my lower left leg. Again, I am hyper-aware. I’m like, I don’t know what my body is trying to tell me here but this isn’t good. I kept going to the primary doctor and the endocrinologist. I thought maybe it was a thyroid thing. Blood tests kept coming back clear. [I was told], “You’re fine. You just need to lose weight and eat better. Maybe you should sleep a little bit more and get some rest.” 

I’m like, okay, these are tiny, green bruises. I’m right-handed dominant. I’m trying to make it make sense and it’s not making sense. Then it gets even more peculiar. I get a circular-shaped, green bruise on the back of my left arm. By this point, my primary finally says, “I don’t know what your body’s trying to tell us.” It was just so peculiar. I’m so mad I didn’t think to get a picture of it at that time. But she said, “If this is still here in 2 weeks, I’m gonna bring a colleague in on this.”

Before 2 weeks was up, I went to the dermatologist because I was like, what is this on the outside of my left breast? She said, “Oh, that’s a zit.” I’m thinking to myself, that’s a very odd place for a zit to be on the outside of your left breast. I guess you’re getting where I’m going with all the left-side stuff. She gave me a cream and it didn’t hurt. It went away in 3 days so I thought, maybe she was right. But that just seemed odd to me. 

Megan-Claire visited multiple doctors to get to the bottom of her strange symptoms

I will never forget, it was August 31st, 2015. That morning when I’d taken a shower, I had not felt anything. But that night when I was taking a shower, I remember because I used to be a huge fan of the show Supergirl. It was in its first season and I was like, I’m going to get in my jammies. This is my show. I’m in the shower, and because of that weight gain and my breast getting bigger – because I never had big boobs before – I was always feeling them. And then I felt it and I was like, What? Where did this come from? It was on the side, it was as hard as a fist, and it was huge. I was like, what?

Being diagnosed with a rare form of breast cancer
Megan Claire discovered an underrepresented category in the cancer community

As I started doing more research, I started to realize there’s a whole other underrepresented category. It’s hard enough that I’m a woman, a black woman, and now I’m a woman under 40 years old diagnosed with cancer.

Now we know that had been growing in me for probably 8 to 10 years and that it was missed on that mammogram due to the size of it. Ultimately, once I did get the cancer call, I was diagnosed with stage 2 invasive lobular breast cancer. 

Lobular is rare in black women. It’s already an uncommon one. Only about 10 to 15% of women get lobular. It’s also known as the sneaky cancer because it can mask and look like healthy tissue, so a preventative mammogram doesn’t pick it up.

Did you suspect the mass was cancer?

I didn’t automatically think breast cancer or even cancer. I was like, what is this? Because of the feeling of it, because I am very aware of my body, and because my mother now has a rare blood cancer, I’m aware of certain things. I already knew it was a mass, so when I was told, “This is a mass. We need to have a biopsy.” I didn’t freak out because I was like, well, obviously. I also think I was protecting myself. 

Getting a biopsy

I remember the biopsy. It happened to fall on 9/11/2015, a Friday. I was the last patient of the day and I just wanted to go home and not have to go back to work and think about it. 

The doctor said, “I’m going to take about 8 to 10 tissue samples.” It sounds like a staple gun. To this day, I’m triggered when I hear a loud staple gun. She pulled almost 20 samples, I was counting. Because I’m an empath, I can sense when energy shifts in a room. Even though she kept her facial expression totally neutral, I knew she must have seen something. Why else are you taking 10 million samples? They told me, “We’ll get the results probably Tuesday or Wednesday of the next week.” I didn’t think anything else of it. 

Getting a diagnosis 
Invasive lobular breast cancer is a rare form of cancer that affects 10-15% of women

Lobular is rare in black women. It’s already an uncommon one. Only about 10 to 15% of women get lobular. It’s also known as the sneaky cancer because it can mask and look like healthy tissue, so a preventative mammogram doesn’t pick it up.

I went to work on Monday. At this time, I was working in radio on the sales side – wish it was behind the microphone. I was timing a commercial, so I’m always aware of the time. I said, “Man, I’m gonna have to send this back to the client. The commercial is too long.” My phone rang at 3:05 p.m. that Monday, and I almost didn’t answer it, because I didn’t know that number. But my gut was saying, answer the phone. 

Megan-Claire was told at work that she had cancer

Because I’m a very dramatic person, I’m running down the hall to an empty conference room. This is back when I could run. Now I have neuropathy, I can’t really do that. And she says, “Megan-Claire, you have invasive lobular breast cancer. We don’t know the stage yet.” That was all. I said, “Invasive lobular breast cancer? What the heck is invasive lobular? Wait…Breast cancer. Cancer!” I started getting hysterical, but she snapped me back by being really calm. She said, “Megan-Claire, take a deep breath. I need you to go get a pen and paper because I have very important information to give you.” 

Professionally, I do allow people to call me M.C. – short for Megan-Claire – because I really hate it when people chop off my name and just call me Megan. People asked, “M.C., are you all right? What’s going on?” I said, “Yeah, in a minute.” 

I go back, and this is where I realize now I had a bit of privilege, which I didn’t recognize at the time. My primary doctor had already talked to the one that did the biopsy. They had already talked with each other and had gone over who were the top 2 oncologists they’d recommend for my case. Who’s the plastic surgeon they’d recommend for my case. I was given all that information upfront. I thought that was something that everyone’s doctors did for them, and it turns out they don’t. I realize now that was a gift. 

I was diagnosed under 40, so that put me in the category of adolescent and young adult. Keep in mind, it was 2 months after my 39th birthday that I get this diagnosis, so I’m not feeling like a young adult. As I started doing more research, I started to realize there’s a whole other underrepresented category. It’s hard enough that I’m a woman, a black woman, and now I’m a woman under 40 years old diagnosed with cancer.

How much time passed between you discovering the mass and getting a diagnosis? 

It was about a week and a half. Everything moved very quickly. Monday, I get the diagnosis. That Wednesday I met with the oncologist, that Thursday I met with the breast cancer surgeon, then that Friday I met with the plastic surgeon. It was like bam, bam, bam, bam, that whole week. 

I remember thinking, why do I need a plastic surgeon? I wasn’t processing that I’m going to need some reconstruction at some point. None of it made sense.

How did you process getting a cancer call? 
Megan-Claire wishes she was told she had cancer in person

I really don’t like getting a cancer call. I honestly wish that they had said, “We need you to come in tomorrow. We’re making room for you and you need to bring someone. No if’s, and’s, or but’s about it.” You would already know this isn’t good, but I’ll have someone else with me who can drive and who’s a little bit more clear-headed. Instead of getting a call while you’re at work. 

I did talk it over with my mother on the phone, but I didn’t want everyone at work to know this news. But it was so obvious that when I came back, I was in shock. I had gone pale. Everyone asked what happened, so it just came out. I didn’t want it to come out that way, but it’s because I got it while I was still at work and I didn’t know what to do. A coworker did drive me home because I couldn’t handle anything.

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Treatments

What were the next steps after getting diagnosed with breast cancer?

Discovering I had to get 16 rounds of chemo. I did meet all the doctors and had all the tests then I had my port surgery. Before the port surgery, I hadn’t been under anesthesia since I was a kid. I don’t even remember the last time I was in an actual hospital. 

My mother was all concerned for me. The nurse came out to go get her after getting the port inserted and my mother asked, “Is she okay?” She said, “She’s up there cracking jokes and laughing.” It really hit me as I think about it now how, even though I was feeling so miserable before the diagnosis and gained all that weight, I still had some energy left. I have none of that now and it’s harder for me to bounce back from a surgery. 

What did the port feel like?

I distinctly remember getting that port and what it felt like to have something foreign inside my body. It felt heavy, it felt strange. The next day I was going to a luncheon for work with all the media companies in Atlanta, and I had this big old thing, and it was pretty darn obvious.

Everyone at that point knew I’d been diagnosed with cancer from the moment that I got the call. And getting all the tests and discovering I had to have 16 rounds of chemo. 

Megan-Claire received port placement surgery
How did cancer impact you financially

I remember thinking, how am I going to pay for this? I’m single. I was not making a lot of money at the job I was in. Also, the health insurance wasn’t the greatest so I’m panicking like, how am I going to do this? Due to some technicality of when my insurance was renewed and when I got diagnosed, I was not eligible for short-term disability. 

The person on the insurance side was so callous. She goes, “Well, you really should have thought to get this, to add this to your plan. It’s like a broken leg. You don’t know if you’re going to get a broken leg, but one day you will get a broken leg.” I said, “This is cancer.” I’ll never forget that. I thought to myself, wow. Is this how it is?

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Speaking to a cancer social worker led to financial breakthroughs 
Speaking with a social worker led to financial breakthrough

She was my social worker and she was a godsend because once I spoke with her and met with her, she helped me find grants to pay for my chemo and to pay for all those tests… When I tallied everything, all the costs of everything, it was almost $400,000 without insurance.

I’m naturally a very organized person because of my grandparent’s influence. My Nana at the time was a registered nurse. I’m glad she wasn’t alive to see me go through cancer because we were very, very close. My grandfather was a mortician, so they were the perfect couple. They always taught us to make sure you read everything, make sure you keep track of certain things. I just already knew to do that. 

You’re given so much information when you get that diagnosis. It’s like paper here, paper there, this one’s yellow, this one’s pink, this one’s blue, here’s a book. I remember going through tons of paper where it was just all text, and I happened to see where it said, “Here is the social worker assigned to your oncologist.” I was like, “What is a social worker doing there?” That didn’t make sense to me. I still don’t understand that term in oncology, but I called it to find out.

Her name was Catherine. She was my social worker and she was a godsend because once I spoke with her and met with her, she helped me find grants to pay for my chemo and to pay for all those tests. What people don’t realize, it’s not just about the chemo, it’s all the other stuff as well. It’s every time you’re going to get your infusion, it’s all the medications that you get when you start having severe side effects. It’s the additional scans and all of this stuff all at the same time. I was able to get assistance for my rent because I was single. 

If it wasn’t for her, I honestly don’t know what I would have done because I’ve heard of others where they’re just about to start chemo and then they discover that their insurance won’t authorize it. I thought to myself, oh my God, now I know why people die or why people sometimes have to file for bankruptcy and lose everything when someone gets critically ill. When I tallied everything, all the costs of everything, it was almost $400,000 without insurance.

Did your doctors talk to you about preserving fertility?
Megan-Claire's doctor didn't have an in-depth conversation about preserving fertility

Once the port was placed, it was time to start chemo. I remember my doctor saying, “We have established that you’re going to need 16 rounds of chemo. Oh, and do you want to freeze your eggs?” She said that all in one breath. All I heard was chemo and that we needed to start quickly. In hindsight – which is something I advocate because I was single and not married – I didn’t think, maybe I should get a consultation with a fertility specialist. At least have that conversation. But that’s not even covered by insurance. I didn’t think how painful, literally and figuratively, that choice would ultimately be. 

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I wish someone had a conversation with me a day after that saying, “I know you just heard a lot of information. I want to go over this quickly and make sure you understand before you start chemo this Friday.” I wish that had happened, but it didn’t and I’m still very angry about that now. But at the time, we could tell the concern with my cancer was it was getting so big that they said, “We’ve got to first contain it and then shrink it as much as possible.” So all I was thinking is, dear God, we got to get this done because it hadn’t gotten into the lymph nodes yet. And that’s what they were trying to stop. It was very quick. 

In hindsight – which is something I advocate because I was single and not married – I didn’t think, maybe I should get a consultation with a fertility specialist…I didn’t think how painful, literally and figuratively, that choice would ultimately be.

Taking classes to learn about the effects of chemo

I took a class and realized not everyone gets this. It’s called ChemoFlage. I don’t know if they still do it here in Atlanta, but this was back in 2016 at Nordstrom, no less. Because the person who started Nordstrom, his mom when he was growing up, had breast cancer and never felt pretty. That was before plastic surgery was approved for breast cancer. It helped me learn about different things that will happen, such as, you’re going to lose your nose hairs. No one thinks about that. You’re going to feel like you have a cold 24/7. I was like, oh my God, I never even thought about that. 

Megan Claire met her chemo twin through a ChemoFlage class

That’s where I met my chemo twin, Erin. She was 3 months ahead of me in her treatment. We had different types of breast cancer, but she was the first person I’ve ever seen bald. When she took her scarf off when we had a break from the ChemoFlage class, I started crying because I was like, oh my God, that’s going to be me. It really hit home in that moment.

Is there still a ChemoFlage class people can take? 

I don’t know. I need to find out because it was so helpful for me. It was this older woman who had gone through cancer and she wanted to help share that. I never learned how to tie a scarf on my head before. [I learned] you have to drink so much water when you are on chemo, to the point now I actually have a hard time drinking water because of how much I had to drink to flush out the poison. One of the names of the chemos is known worldwide as the Red Devil. It’s literally red with a skull and crossbones on it. I’m just like, what? What are you putting in me?

What breast cancer treatments did you undergo? 

I had 16 rounds of chemo. I had the Red Devil, which is called Adriamycin, and Cytoxan. I would have those together. It’d be 1 week on, 1 week off. Then I had 4 of those, then 12 of the Taxol. Then we had my surgeries and I opted for a lumpectomy

I thought I had to have a double mastectomy but I had such a great plastic surgeon and breast cancer surgeon. They were so good and they worked very well together. He was known as one of the top ones in Atlanta for those under 40. He told me, “We can conserve your breast based on where your tumor is, depending on how big it is once we go in there.” They did all of it at once, I had 4 surgeries in one. He said, “When you have a double mastectomy, that doesn’t mean that you couldn’t have a recurrence or metastasis.” I was like, wait, what? I now know that he did say metastasis but I didn’t hear that until later. 

He told me, “I can conserve your breast.” I remember asking him, “What are these scars going to look like?” He didn’t have any black chests of women to show me. I think it hit him and I’m thinking to myself, I can’t have been the only black person to ask this question. Maybe it was just the way I said it or what have you, but it really hit him. “Can we take a before and after picture of you so I can now show it to other patients?” I said, “Sure you can. I really think you need to have more. But baby steps.” I didn’t think about the whole scarring part. For some reason, I thought I was just going to heal and they’re going to disappear.

After we had the lumpectomy, he said that my breast cancer surgeon took a whole quadrant of my breast out because though they shrunk it quite a bit, they wanted to get such a clear margin that they took a quadrant out and then had reconstruction of my left breast and a reduction in my right breast.

Megan-Claire underwent Adriamycin chemotherapy, also known as the Red Devil

Side Effects

Did you have side effects from cancer treatments
Megan Claire shaved her head before it fell out due to chemo

Were there side effects? I seem to have gotten the mother lode of side effects all at once. Keep in mind, I’m working full-time. One of the first things I did to make things a hair less traumatic – pun intended – was get my head shaved. My stylist actually cried. I had prepared myself to see that. It wasn’t until right after the second Red Devil and the other chemo, because I had 3 different types of chemo, the hair started to fall out. I had to admit it was better to see it come out in tiny hairs than in clumps. I will always be thankful that I heard that little tip in ChemoFlage class because that was hard. 

I always tell patients to make sure they’re telling the pharmacist too, because they could be huge in coming up with other ideas for you.

Megan Claire encourages patients to speak with their pharmacist about their symptoms, side effects and cancer

I got these horrible mouth sores. They often give us what’s called – and I do not know the official name of it – Magic Mouthwash. If you say that in any oncology center, everyone will know what you’re talking about. To help prevent mouth sores, your teeth hurt, everything hurts. It only helped a little. 

I just happened to mention it to my pharmacist at the cancer center, and we need to shout out some really good pharmacists. Her name is Candace and I told her, “I don’t feel like this Magic Mouthwash is really working. I still have these mouth sores. I don’t know what’s happening.” My tongue was starting to turn black, and the palms of my hands and feet were black. It looked like I was burned. That was freaking me out. She goes, “Have you ever heard of Gelclair?” I’m like, “What is that? It sounds perfect since my name is Megan-Claire.” She said, “I can get you some Gelclair for free.” I was like, you can? 

She made a call. I got 8 boxes of this stuff, which turned out to be a lifesaver for free, sent to my home because I had that communication with her and she was like, “Let me help.” I always tell patients to make sure they’re telling the pharmacist too, because they could be huge in coming up with other ideas for you. I would use the Magic Mouthwash first and then swish around the Gelclair, which is clear, and put a coating around my mouth. I was fine after that, but I had other severe side effects. Of course, the nausea. You really have to try and stay on top of it before it gets too much because once it’s there, it’s really hard to lower it. 

What caused your chemo-induced peripheral neuropathy?

With one of my chemo treatments I had to get once a week for 12 weeks, I had such a severe reaction in the first 15 minutes of the first treatment – chemo-induced peripheral neuropathy. They had told me, “You might feel a little neuropathy, some tingling, some numbness in your hands and feet around the 8th to 10th one.” I’m like, alright, cool. I did have my hands and feet in cold water because they were saying, “We’ve heard from some patients that helps.” 

Megan-Claire developed chemo-induced peripheral neuropathy

I’m so glad I can finally find the words to describe it. It felt like a current running from my head all the way to my feet, and I felt my nerves just die. I started screaming in the infusion room. I was the youngest person in the infusion room. They came over and there was no way to even adjust the dosage because the onset was so quick and permanent at that point. I couldn’t walk after that moment. I had to use a cane. Anytime we would go to the cancer center, I’d be in a wheelchair.

Did doctors inform you about adverse reactions to chemo that might occur?  
Megan-Claire was not informed that neuropathy could occur so fast and suddenly during chemo

Not before this happened. The oncologist didn’t mention how severe this could be and how debilitating this could be for some people. I feel like they were thinking, “We don’t want to scare the patient,” but I wish I had just known the potential of what could happen. Knowing this may not happen to me, but at least I’ve got this list that I can refer to that other patients have gotten. But we all were surprised at how intense and quick it was. And there are no tests to this day to discover who is more susceptible to chemo-induced peripheral neuropathy.

What does neuropathy feel like?

I compare it to when your foot falls asleep, that’s what it feels like. But it was 24/7 so my brain couldn’t connect, so I’d often fall. I was a huge fall risk and this lasted for years, unfortunately. I did find something that helped that was not medicine, but that’s what it felt like because my brain wasn’t receiving the signals. So when I’m thinking my foot’s hitting the ground, it’s actually not hitting the ground. Then I would fall over. 

As someone who was single, going up some steps to get to my car and going down some steps to get to my apartment became a real issue for me, and constantly falling into walls. If I’d fall down, oftentimes I’m by myself. I remember hitting my head once. 

I’d finally gotten enough money saved again and I was looking for a townhouse. I was walking with the realtor. All of a sudden, I went down hard and he was like, “Oh my God, are you okay?” I was like, “Oh, I’m fine.” I got right back up and just started walking. It was 6 hours later when the pain set in. That is how long it took for my nerves to actually realize something was wrong and I had a grade 3 sprain. It was a hair away from being a hairline fracture. It was that moment where I was like, I’ve got to find help. 

After developing neuropathy, Megan-Claire became a fall risk

It was so hard getting around and it was my right foot too. I learned how to drive with my left. It really gave me a whole other respect, because I already had respect for those with disabilities and specific handicaps. I have a permanent handicap sign, so when I get out of the car and I look like this, I’ve had people yell at me like, “What are you doing? You don’t belong there.” I’m like, “Y’all don’t even know.” But I can’t walk super duper long distances anymore without that risk. With my hands, I couldn’t even button anything. I couldn’t put my earrings on. You think you are holding on or you think you’re pressing down, but you’re not and that’s what’s so scary.

What helped improve your neuropathy?

Believe it or not, 2 years ago, because Instagram hears everything you say, I saw this ad for a chiropractor. What caught my eye was the fact that he differentiated between diabetic neuropathy and chemo-induced peripheral neuropathy. I was like, I need to talk to him. I went to him. He was located in Marietta, Georgia, and the first question I had for him was, “Did you vote for Trump? Because if you did, we cannot talk.” He was like, “No, no, no. And I’m Canadian.” I said alright then. We’re good. 

Meeting with a chiropractor and using a ReBuilder helped restore feeling in Megan Claire's legs and feet

I have about 60% feeling now in my feet and in my legs so I can feel the gas pedal. I can feel the brake, and that’s because it has been 2 years of me going to his office 2 to 3 times a week and doing all of the things at home.

I told him everything I had gone through and how gabapentin and glutamine didn’t work. All of these things did not work for me. When I was done talking, he goes, “Are you a researcher?” I was like, “Oh my God. Well, I am the doctor of my body.” He goes, “I can help. I’m not saying I can get you back to 100% but we’re going to do some tests right now and assess to see just how bad the nerve damage is.”

What I learned is a lot of it is nerve damage and lack of circulation. He did thermal imaging. You could see where the blood flow stopped, which is why I would get so cold, like cold flashes in my feet. 

The big test and this is something anyone can do at home if you have chemo-induced peripheral neuropathy, he did a blow dryer on my neck so I would know how hot it’s supposed to feel. He did it on my hands and I could feel it. Then he said, “Okay, close your eyes. I’m going to do it on your feet.” I’ said, “Okay, are you doing it? I feel like I’ve been sitting here for a minute.” He goes, “Open your eyes,” and he had the blow dryer right on top of my feet. I felt nothing. I remember freaking out and getting so upset. He goes, “No, no. I can help.” 

What I started using was called a ReBuilder. It’s stimulations and it has taken so much time and commitment to do, but that last fall I had was so scary to me. I said, I will do what I need to do. Insurance barely paid for it. It cost me almost $4,700. Keep in mind, I’m single. I’ve been through some different jobs. I’m still trying to heal from all of this. 

Megan-Claire's chiropractor tested her neuropathy by using a blow dryer on her feet which she couldn't feel

But I got to tell you, with that consistency, I can wear pumps now and I don’t wobble. I can actually feel my toe now. It’s not a full-on feeling. I have about 60% feeling now in my feet and in my legs so I can feel the gas pedal. I can feel the brake, and that’s because it has been 2 years of me going to his office 2 to 3 times a week and doing all of the things at home. We also did shockwave therapy, which goes deep into the tissue. I wanted him to focus mainly on my feet first. I was like, the hands can wait. It’s the feet. The fact that I can actually wear low heels and not fall and I can feel when my foot hits the ground. It’s a miracle.

Describe what it’s like using the ReBuilder for neuropathy

It’s electrodes. The patches, you put in water. I remember I was on the phone with my mother and I was like, “Mother, just in case I electrocute myself, I need you to dial 911.” I was like, “I’m not going to electrocute myself?” He said, “No, these are rubber pads.” You put [them on] your feet and there’s a special spray of solution to help so you would feel and you turn up the ReBuilder until you feel a tap, tap, tap, tap, tap because you don’t want it too strong. It’s on a timer. It gives you 30 minutes straight and you just sit there. So while I’d be working at home, I would be doing that.

Megan-Claire used a ReBuilder to help restore feeling
Did you have any complications from your surgery? 
Megan-Claire had infections after her quadrantectomy

It ultimately got infections. I was told I wouldn’t need draining tubes because that’s what you get when you have a mastectomy. Well, I turned into a mermaid. I was filled. They had to aspirate 455 cc’s of fluid from my breast. He goes, “God, it’s so rare with a lumpectomy or a quadrantectomy. We normally don’t have to put drains.” I was like, “Well, I think we’ve all learned I’m a little extra. So if you think it’s not going to happen, it’s going to happen to me.” And that is what happened. But the crazy thing is, to this day, I’m totally numb on my left outer side. When they would stick that huge needle in, thank God I never felt it, but it was all so scary to know that I have no feeling.

I don’t know what was going on in there. Everybody is different with how they will heal. Mine just got a lot of fluid. 

What was your experience with radiation like?

I had 33 rounds of radiation. I get really mad when others say, “Radiation was a breeze compared to chemo.” I want to set people up for reality. It may be easier for you. I had a really tough time with chemo. I had an equally tough time with radiation because my flesh actually burned off. I now know what a burn victim feels like underneath my arm. You still see the burn scars underneath my arm. 

Megan-Claire experienced severe burns from radiation
Megan-Claire's occupational therapist noticed she had a large burn on her back from radiation
Megan-Claire was upset doctors didn't prepare her for the side effects of radiation

I remember I had a full-on meltdown because I was like, you didn’t tell me my flesh would burn off. You just said I might get a little pink or red. The area where they radiate you actually feels warm like a volcano. It also burned up the side of my neck and a whole huge circle behind my back, too, which I didn’t even notice until I was going to occupational therapy. The OT said, “You’ve got a burn on the back of your back.” I was like, wait, what? I didn’t even know. Thank God I didn’t feel it, but it was huge. I had pictures of all of this too. 

The radiation oncologist said at that time, “I’ve seen worse.” I went nuts. I said, “Until you have been through this, you haven’t seen worse. I have never seen worse. I’ve never felt worse. Until your flesh burns off, then you come talk to me.” I refused to deal with her and they had to bring in someone else because I lost my mind. They gave me a day to just calm down. It was a Friday that this meltdown happened, and then I was able to finish the 33. Tthat last 3 were the boosters where it’s super targeted, lots of radiation because of the lobular trying to make sure they’re killing any minuscule cancer cells.

It did take a long time to heal. I had to get special creams. I’m still quite traumatized. My neck, there’s some darkness that is always there. I wasn’t prepared for how traumatic radiation could be because all anyone kept saying was how easy it was. 

Also, the fatigue was just as bad as the chemo. You have to go every single day with whatever number of radiation treatments that you need. It was 33 days, every single day. I would get it done in the morning. And then that fatigue just built and built and built. I’m still trying to work full-time at this point. I’m just like, I can’t. I really thought that it would be the treatments that would kill me, not the cancer.

The importance of being a patient advocate

Bring someone with you. That’s one of my biggest pieces of advice because you may be focused on one thing that that doctor said, but they’re hearing all the others.

Right now, I’m coming across as very confident. No, even the most vocal person gets nervous. You feel very vulnerable, very small when you’re sitting on the exam table in your little hospital gown. It’s very hard to speak up in the moment. What I always say is, sometimes you can’t speak up in the moment because it’s just so much you’re trying to process and that is okay. I like to say there are different layers to advocacy. 

When you start to think about things, always remember you can write that in your portal. You can call and ask for your oncologist’s nurse. If you’re too scared to bring it up with them or if you need help with translation or if English is your second language and you heard something that didn’t quite translate, don’t be afraid to ask and say, is there a social worker? Is there a nurse navigator? Is there a patient navigator that I can talk to? Because I don’t quite feel comfortable asking my oncologist, which is totally normal and fine, but make sure that you do ask those questions. 

Megan Claire shares the importance of being a patient advocate

That’s what’s so scary about cancer treatments and the surgeries, you don’t know how your body is going to react to any of it because no one can tell you, “Yeah, you’ll probably get this.” Other people didn’t get any neuropathy symptoms. Then why did it happen to me? We don’t know. 

It’s okay to write your questions out. I would come every day with a list of questions that I thought of from the previous time or later that day to capture it all. Bring someone with you. That’s one of my biggest pieces of advice because you may be focused on one thing that that doctor said, but they’re hearing all the others. Ask if you can record the conversation so you can play it back later. There are apps where you can record it. I would say, “Can you give me a recap of our appointment of what we just talked about so I can record it and play it for myself later?” Doctors, 9 times out of 10, they will do that.

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How did your body react to tamoxifen? 
Due to having bad reactions to tamoxifen, Megan-Claire began looking into alternative options

In between that time of scans and trying to take tamoxifen is when I started to learn how important it is to have people that look like me on clinical trials. I used to be really against them because in the black community, we talk a lot about the Tuskegee Airmen and Henrietta Lacks. We were told that by our grandparents. It’s not like it was that long ago. 

When I started having rare side effects, my oncologist said, “Just get off it and give yourself a break for 2 weeks, and then get back on it.” I was like, “What part of no are you not understanding?” I was taken aback that that was her response. 

I turned into a chemist. I was like, let me try and find something that is still in that same family. Again, tamoxifen, that’s typically used if you had estrogen-positive breast cancer. I found a vista then I found another one. I was like, it’s in the same family. I’m thinking, maybe there’s an ingredient that I can tolerate better. So I come back and bring it to her. I remember thinking, I’m not the one with the MD here. Why am I the one coming up with other solutions? 

Quality of Life

Describe life after cancer

I had that to start processing what had just happened. I was told by my oncologist that you might feel a little depressed afterward because you won’t be having multiple appointments a week, every week. I remember coming home after Camp Hope after that 3 months and I was like, a little depressed? How about a lot of depression? How about PTSD? I started to get very angry. 

My scans were clear those first 3 months and that’s when I officially felt like a survivor. I even remember using that language – I’m a fighter. I beat cancer. I was doing all of that. Everyone at work – because I was gone for about 6 weeks, that’s the only time I took for myself – when I came back, they had my desk all set up with all this pink. I was loving it. 

3 months post-cancer, Megan-Claire's scans were clear

I distinctly remember when that shifted. It was 6 months post-cancer when I started to understand that this impacted my quality of life. This has impacted my career because of my memory. Now the next step was to get on Lupron and tamoxifen to help prevent a recurrence. Because the type of breast cancer I had was lobular and the fact that I was diagnosed under 40, they wanted to have me on it for 10 years to be triple sure. 

Meeting others in the cancer community through Camp Hope

Radiation was really horrific for me. After that, it was more healing time. Three months later I would have my first set of scans post-cancer. In between that time, I attended what we have in Atlanta called Camp Hope for all cancer patients. You have to get written permission from your oncologist to go out in the wilderness. Even though I’m not a wilderness person, it was really helpful because it was the first time, aside from my chemo twin, that I met others and more importantly, others who had breast cancer and others who were closer to my age. That was a huge healing moment for me, not even realizing how much I really needed that. A lot of us had surgeries around the same time, so we had to be really careful with doing things and lifting and all of that. 

Megan-Claire met others in the cancer community through Camp Hope
Finding better medical care post-cancer

Ultimately, I did have the same reaction, but I was proud of myself for advocating because I was highly aware that now I’m super sensitive to side effects. That’s what I have discovered and that was never the case pre-cancer. I told her, “I want to thank you for helping me get to this point in survivorship. Thank you for keeping me alive, but I need to divorce you because you’re no longer listening to me. I need help in this post-cancer life and I don’t feel I can trust you for that.” She was shocked. She was like, “No one has ever said that to me.” I said, “Well I have.” It was so mean. I can say it with confidence here, but my voice was shaking. And though I’ve never been married or divorced, I was hurt. It hurt my heart. 

It took me a good 2 years to get over that because I felt like a number and where people only care about you when you have cancer and they don’t care about you once you’re in that survivorship stage and how it could impact your quality of life. No one told me that I might never get back to how I was pre-cancer and before all of those crazy symptoms that I had. I remember feeling very betrayed. 

I went to a competing cancer center. I’m very grateful that I do live in a big city, so there are options. I remember when that oncologist came in – this time I chose a man. I was like, I want to see the difference here. The first thing he said to me was, “Alright, Megan-Claire. We need to think outside the box for you.” I actually started crying because all my defenses were up. I was prepared to be like, look, this is what needs to happen. But he came in, he was like, “I read everything. You’re very sensitive to side effects. We got to figure this out.” I was like, “Are you making me a partner in my own health care?” His name is Dr. Allen and he’s since retired. But I’ll never forget that moment where I felt seen as not just a survivor, but struggling.

I told her, “I want to thank you for helping me get to this point in survivorship. Thank you for keeping me alive, but I need to divorce you because you’re no longer listening to me. I need help in this post-cancer life and I don’t feel I can trust you for that.”

Megan Claire left her oncologist post-cancer after not being listened to

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Describe not being listened to by your doctor

She basically said, “Well, it turned out you had the same reaction anyway. I still think that you need to just be off it for 2 weeks and get back on. It might take your system a little bit to get acclimated to it.” I said, “You’re not listening.” But I did feel so much gratitude for at least getting me to this point. She did tell me, “Those are rare side effects.” I was like, “And I’m experiencing them. You’re really not believing my experience.” I felt betrayed because I was like, “How could I have trusted you so much?” Because then I started to question everything. I was like, did I get the best care? But I do feel like I did get the best care during my active treatment. I do.

Finding medical care that’s best for you
Megan-Claire encourages people to find medical care that's best for you

That’s the thing. It’s not about hurting their feelings. If you want a second opinion or you decide to go to another cancer institute, it’s about you. It’s not selfish to think about your needs, and if your gut is telling you this isn’t right, this isn’t a good fit, it is your patient’s right to change. 

In the black culture and in some other cultures – because I come from a very mixed family – it’s often you just do what the doctor says. But it’s like, no. You just inherently know that you’re not being heard. I was like, this is cancer. This is my life. If this was just the flu, maybe I could deal with that kind of attitude. But this is literally cancer and I don’t know what’s going to happen next so I need to be with someone who I feel has got me.

How did your body react to Lupron injections? 

He was very aware that I was still under 40. I had not had my birthday yet. He was aware that I was single and had no children. He goes, “I really hate to do this. We’re going to have to do Lupron injections. We need to suppress your ovaries.” The whole point of my cancer was that it was almost 100% estrogen positive and then progesterone positive so we needed to have as minimal amount of estrogen coming in as possible. 

I remember having to go to the cancer center for the first injection and it was that moment where I experienced PTSD and I didn’t know that it was PTSD. I had to walk through the infusion room to get to where I would ultimately get the Lupron injection. Then they had me wait to see if I had a reaction within that first 20 minutes. 

I remember my heart was beating fast, I’m sweating, and I was like, what is happening? I didn’t know that was PTSD but I was getting so triggered by all of the beeping. That’s what people don’t understand outside of cancer land, that if you’re in an infusion room, not everyone gets their own room and you’re hearing all the beeps from the machines and it haunts you. Especially if you had a really tough time with chemo, which I did. 

We did the Lupron injection, that first one. I had such debilitating pain to the point I could not walk. My mother had to call Dr. Allen and say, “She’s in so much pain, she cannot walk. She can’t be on this.” Here’s what I loved about him so much, he did not question it. He did not say, “Just have her wait a little bit.” He believed me. 

I could not walk. It was so bad. It felt like some of us had experienced bone pain with certain chemos and it’s a horrific pain. It felt like someone had taken a sledgehammer specifically to my legs and broken my bones. That’s the degree of pain I was in. He said, “We can’t have you on this then. I was really hoping that your body could tolerate it.”

Megan-Claire had bad reactions to Lupron injections
Seeking new alternatives to prevent reoccurrence 

At this point, it’s getting towards the holidays. I had turned 40. He said, “Let me think on this. You’ve got to break again.” My scans were so clear, I wasn’t going back until another 3 months. When I came back in January from the holidays, he said, “I talked with your gynecologist”  who I loved, I’d been with her forever. She had known all this time the issues that I’d had with my ovaries and abnormal pap smears. They talked, and I loved that he did that. 

Megan-Claire's doctor recommended a hysterectomy and oophorectomy to prevent reoccurrence

He said, “I talked with Dr. Jeffers, and because of your family history, because your mother had ovarian cancer, because you were already having the size of lemons on your ovaries, you were having a lot of issues, the abnormal pap smears, we feel – and I hate to do this…” He got really emotional, which was lovely to see, but it crushed me too. “You’ve never had children. I always at least want you to have that option to be able to have children. But we really feel that your next step in order to take away the other medications and help prevent recurrence, we need to have a hysterectomy and a oophorectomy.” I was like, an oophorectomy? I never heard that term before. I’ve always heard of hysterectomy, but the hysterectomy doesn’t remove your ovaries. That’s why it’s called a bilateral salpingo-oophorectomy, because it took out both sides, both ovaries. 

At that time, I wasn’t thinking emotionally or how that would affect me. I was like, do what you need to do because I can’t go through this again. Let’s just do it. Then I remember thinking, with all the money funneled into breast cancer, do you mean to tell me the only other option is to push me into surgical menopause? At least 20 years ahead of time? That’s strange and that bothered me. That’s what I was focusing on, why aren’t there more options? I don’t understand. 

Describe your hysterectomy and oophorectomy 

The day after Valentine’s Day, I was like, how appropriate. I’m back in the hospital. That was my first time ever spending the night in the hospital because when I had my breast cancer surgeries, they were on the same day which was insane. I was so panicked, I barely slept the entire time. When I woke up post-surgery, they said, “You might be in the middle of a hot flash.” I had these weird compression things that looked like an astronaut because they went all the way up my thighs and were massaging my legs. When I woke up, I wasn’t in a hot flash. I was in a lot of pain. 

When the nurse came in, she said, “Here, take this.” I was like, “How much does that cost? No, I don’t want that.” I was so worried about the cost and that makes me so sad because that’s not what any patient should be thinking about when they are in that hospital bed in pain. With the medications, I was like, “No, I already have that medication. I will take that when I get home.” And here I am, with morphine dripping out of me and my mother’s there. My mother said, “I will speak for you.” I said, “No, I don’t want them to charge me for Chapstick. I don’t want them to charge me for hand sanitizer.” I was so freaked out. 

After that surgery, around 2 in the morning, they woke me up and had me walking. They said, “We got to get you walking to see how you’re doing.” It was insane. The difference with this type of surgery was it was robotic. I remember the gynecologic oncologist, she was so tiny. She had tiny little hands and had to get up on a little stool. 

I didn’t understand how massive of a surgery that was because I only have 5 tiny scars. They were so small that I didn’t think about just how massive of a surgery that was. It was taking out my uterus, my cervix, my fallopian tubes, my ovaries, all the things. I didn’t think about that. Plus, I still wasn’t a year post-cancer, so I’m still healing from all of that too. In hindsight, I probably should have waited. But we couldn’t wait because we were so worried about the estrogen, and you just don’t know.

Megan-Claire worried about the cost of things during after her hysterectomy
How did you feel after that surgery?

You make the right decision for yourself with the information that you had at the time. That’s something my therapist keeps telling me. He’s like, “Don’t get mad. Don’t shit all over yourself. You made the best choice with the information you were given at that time.” 

I had to take a week off from work, and I was very panicked about that, because it’s like, God, didn’t I just get back to work? It was a very stressful time. 

There was a moment I’m sitting in my living room, and I was told you can’t pick up things. You got to be careful bending. I literally felt my insides, it was so painful. They were shifting because now there was all this room so they needed to figure out where to go. 

Megan-Claire experienced many symptoms after her surgery

I got really nauseous. I have a lot of issues now with nausea. Even the Zofran that I took during chemo couldn’t touch it. I guess some of my colon or something, got messed up in there and it was just ongoing nausea. I remember thinking, God, I literally and figuratively feel empty.

Some women are up and doing their thing within 2 days. But I know for my body, whatever the normal person’s time frame would be to heal, I need to double that which is exactly what happened. But no one told me how the insides would shift. 

I started to feel back pain. I went in with no back pain. In fact, I went into that surgery, I had lost 65 pounds of weight. I was seeing my shape again because I used to be very fit, slim, and strong. I was so proud of myself coming out of that surgery. Now I’m in surgical menopause, the insides are shifting, and what was this back pain? I did ask, “I’ve got this weird back pain. Is that part of it?” They’re like, “Don’t worry about that. You’re still healing. You’ve got a lot of healing to do.” So again, I was ignored about the back pain.

Were you working around the time of your surgery?

We try all the medications for postmenopausal women. Once again, I had rare side effects and I had just gotten my dream job at a major ad agency. I was so excited. But because all of this stuff is happening, you forget how it’s also affecting your mind with the chemo brain, going under anesthesia multiple times within a span of a few months. I didn’t realize the toll that would take on me. 

Those 2 female bosses never told me that I had the option since I was new, that I could take some time off. No one told me that. They said, “You need to make a decision. Choose your health or your work. You can’t do both.” I thought, well, I’m a cancer survivor now. That is not an option for me. It got very dicey, like, I could sue you for that. 

I was like, oh my God, I can’t even handle the career that I used to. I used to thrive off of that stress, and deadlines. I felt like I couldn’t do it anymore. It was devastating. That took me about 5 years to recover from because it was 2 women. I was just like, really? 

But I was having those side effects. It caused these huge black bruises all over my legs that looked like someone had beaten me. Then we tried another one because that one didn’t work. We tried another one. I tried 6 different medications, both premenopausal and postmenopausal and I had severe reactions to all. 

Post-Cancer Complications 

What was the next course of action in your treatment? 

My dear Dr. Allen said and this is something I’ll never forget, “Megan-Claire, you’re outside of my expertise. I honestly don’t know what else to do so I want to send you to my colleague at another competing cancer center.” Because there are 3 here in Georgia. He said, “I’ve never met a patient where they’re just so sensitive to the side effects and I don’t want to keep causing you harm.” I remember walking to my car and crying. Crying because he has been with me this whole time and he has seen the pain, has seen the struggle, has seen the visible side effects and the invisible side effects. 

I went to this oncologist and she said, “I’ve read everything. I’ve read your chart. I’ve talked with both Dr. Allen and your previous active treatment oncologist.” I was like, y’all did your homework. I do not know where she got this stat from but she said, “About 25% of women cannot tolerate any of the medications to help prevent a reoccurrence and they are on nothing.” I wish I had asked what’s your source for that. Also, how many of them were black? Now I want to know the details of that.

Megan-Claire's new oncologist informed her that she would not be on any medications to prevent reoccurrence

I was like, “What do you mean I’m going to be on nothing?” She said, “Your body has been through so much trauma.” That’s the first time I ever heard cancer and trauma in the same sentence. She said, “I hesitate to have you try anything else because of the severe reactions that your body has and you have surgically done everything you can. I think that should be our next course of action, to continue to stay monitored. But you have surgically done everything you can right now.” I left in shock because you never hear that. 

Did you feel relieved that you were in a position after surgery to not need follow-up medications?

That was something I thought about. Knowing my risk already, I was like, we’ve already negated me getting 4 or 5 other cancers. But when my dear Dr. Allen retired and all of his caseloads got sent out to different oncologists, I ended up with a Russian doctor. He said, “I wouldn’t have given you chemo” the first time I met him. I was like, you cannot say that to a patient who has experienced so much suffering. Then he said, “I wouldn’t have given you chemo, but I have to say, that’s probably what has kept you alive.”

As I was starting to learn more about lobular, [I realized] we need more research because so many were treating it like ductal. But for him to say that…I really want to tell providers you cannot say stuff like that to your patients when you have seen everything they have been through. It’s written in my chart how it did so much harm to me. I was exhausted. I didn’t even have it in me to look for a new oncologist because I was like, What do I need to do? It was just a really bad time. 

Megan Claire's new oncologist told her he wouldn't have given her chemo, despite it saving her life

He said, “I wouldn’t have given you chemo” the first time I met him. I was like, you cannot say that to a patient who has experienced so much suffering.

Did you eventually switch doctors? 

Ultimately, he dropped me in 2018 with no conversation, no nothing. I was supposed to see him yearly. Then my breast cancer surgeon, who’s amazing. She sees me for all of my scans. I remember calling and saying, “I’m supposed to see him once a year.” [She said], “Oh, well, he deemed you too healthy.” I was like, “Well, shouldn’t there have been a conversation? Shouldn’t there be a proper handoff? Shouldn’t you have a conversation with my primary to say these are the things you need to look out for? And if these numbers ever get too high or too low then you need to send her back over here?” None of that happened. 

I remember posting that on Twitter. I said, “Y’all, did this happen to anyone else? Shouldn’t there be some sort of conversation with the patient and their primary to have a proper handoff?” Some people said that they did have that and some others didn’t, like me. So to this day, I don’t have an oncologist.

Further complications prompted more time off of work

Fortunately, my breast cancer surgeon and the plastic surgeon are stellar because I had more issues. We’re thinking, all of this is done but it was not done. I kept getting really ill starting in 2018. So ill from trying the medications. In a 3 month period, I ended up in the E.R. They thought I was stroking out. Turned out that I was severely dehydrated. I had my blood pressure go that high. 

Megan-Claire took additional time off of work to heal

I drove myself at 2 in the morning because my chest was hurting and I didn’t know what was going on. We tried, yet another medication before all of this. I had such a huge reaction that I got shingles. Shingles are very painful. That was some of the worst pain I’d ever experienced. Two months later, I got pneumonia. I had to take off work. I had gotten a job working as a marketing project manager and I had the best boss ever because I let her know I had pneumonia.

That was when I saw my social worker. I was in palliative care by this point and she had the “come to Jesus” talk with me. She said, “You haven’t been able to allow your body to rest. You’re going to end up permanently in the hospital or dead if you don’t. Take some time off.” 

That and pneumonia scared me enough that I called my boss and I said, “I have to take time off.” She asked, “When do you need to take it?” I said, “Now.” She goes, ”Done. Don’t worry about anything.” Her name is Beth. She said, “You go home. You focus on yourself.” I’ve never had a boss like that before. She always supported me, amplified me professionally. She saw the talent, but she was like you need to focus on you.

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Were your finances affected during this time?
She had to take out a loan to keep herself afloat after surgery

It was hard financially because when you do that, FMLA saves your seat at work. It protects your job, but you only get a small portion of your salary, and I had to pay for my insurance out of pocket. I felt I couldn’t do another Go-Fund-Me, because when people hear that you’re a cancer survivor, they’re like, “Well, what do you need help with?” 

I had to take out a loan to keep myself afloat for 3 months because I had to have yet another surgery at the same exact site where my cancer was because I had fat necrosis, which can happen when you get a lumpectomy. 

Describe your fat necrosis surgery

It was palpable. You could feel it and it was in the exact same location where my tumor was. My plastic surgeon said, “I know this is messing with your mind, but I promise you it’s not the cancer.” I’d massage it every day, multiple times a day to see if it would go down, but it never did. And I kept getting so ill. I was like, something’s going on. 

Luckily, insurance covered 100% of that surgery. Again, multiple surgeries and we go in. We thought it was just going to be a simple surgery. He was going to go into the same scars and pluck it out. As usual, I have to be extra. It turned out that not only did I have fat necrosis, but a hematoma had formed from the original quadrantectomy. When they took the quadrant out, it had attached to the fat necrosis and had formed a crystallized ball. So instead of taking out what we thought was as big as an egg, it was actually the size of a small water balloon. That was how he described it in his surgical notes. 

It had gotten into my bloodstream. That’s why my system couldn’t seem to catch up. Ever since he took that out, I haven’t been ill like that since. But it turned out to be much more complex, much more painful than I thought it would. I’m still in shock.

She had to get another surgery for fat necrosis and a hematoma

I said, “So when are these scars going to disappear? Because I look like a railroad track.” And I’ll never forget Dr. Mackay. Such a great, gentle plastic surgeon. He took my hand and said, “Megan-Claire, You remember the movie Titanic?” I was like, “Don’t tell me I’m going to be like Rose, what’s happening?” He said, “You remember how big that iceberg was? How massive it was at the top. I want you to think about how massive it must be below if you’re seeing what it is up top. That was your cancer. That is this experience. There was so much that we had to take out, rearrange and reduce with multiple surgeries. These scars are forever.” 

You can only process so much. I think a lot of people think, lumpectomy, that’s easy because a lumpectomy with radiation is the equivalent of a mastectomy. You still look like a railroad track. And when he said that, it was so clear to me just how intense all of this was.

What led you to your current primary care provider?
She sought out a new primary care provider after previous PCPs didn't provide the best care

I’m getting teary-eyed talking about this. I really adore my breast cancer surgeon and I adore her PAs. They all have similar personalities and so they monitor me. I actually divorced my original primary care provider and I got another one. This time, I did seek out a black doctor. That’s what’s hard too is to find specialists who are of color and who you mesh with because they can be any color, but you still need to feel that they’re a good fit. 

She’s the one that helped me with the back pain because I said, “No one is taking me seriously with this back pain. No one is taking me seriously with this fibromyalgia. Even as I’m talking to you right now, I am in pain. I’m in pain 24/7.” Since that time, I am still monitored. I go now every 6 months and I rotate between an MRI, a diagnostic mammogram, and an ultrasound. It’ll be 7 years, come October. My next scans are in October. 

With the back pain, we finally got to the root of that. After going to multiple doctors, I was told by one white neurologist, a white male, “Have you tried Aleve?” I was like, “You can clearly see that there’s a tear near the nerve.” I’ve learned how to read X-rays. I was like, “I would not be sitting here if Aleve worked. Can I have my discs?” And I walked out because I was so livid, like, how dare you say that to me? I had to give myself time to recover from that. 

When I found my new primary, she said, “You’ve got so much going on.” It was like a 2-hour appointment. She did not rush me, and I know she had other patients, but she was present. She said, “I think we need to tackle the back thing first.” 

What helped your back pain?

Finally, this has been 6 years in the making, we figured out what it was. It’s actually my facet joint and my lower lumbar. It’s near the nerve and there’s degenerative arthritis. Cancer rapidly ages you. I was like, how old am I? 500? 

She suffered from intense back pain after cancer treatments. Injections helped

I’ve gotten spinal injections awake. They did try and give me anesthesia and I was like, “This isn’t working.” They’re like, “Oh my God, you’re awake.” I said, “Yeah. I feel everything, y’all.” Then we tried a nerve ablation, burning the nerves. We thought that would work and it only gave me about 4 months of relief. I can tell the latest round of injections is starting to wear off because the pain is starting to increase. I’ll have to go again and get more injections. 

What has your quality of life been like with chronic pain?

I was told to just try yoga. I was like, you mean to tell me maybe if I had been believed when I first had that pain, maybe we could have stopped all of this and I could have done yoga? Maybe that would have helped. That’s why I’m bigger, the weight gain, because of all the menopause. 

Her quality of life was severely affected by chronic back pain

Also, my brain can’t distinguish between whether I’m hurting myself or not because fibromyalgia is running all through me. It feels like a radiating burn. The back pain is in a very specific location, every single moment of every single day. Then, trying to work on my neuropathy. It was just so many things. So when everything is flaring, I get headaches a lot. I’m exhausted. 

I didn’t realize how much pain can take over your life until I got like that. That bit of relief from the spinal injections, I was like, oh my God, I actually have energy. I can sleep, I can do that. My God, how have I been existing? 

I am single and I’m also a caregiver for my mother, who is still extremely independent and snarky and brilliant. But when she needs me, take her to the hospital when she needs a blood transfusion, when she needs a this or needs to that, I’m having to do that. But there’s not a me to help me out when I come home. So it’s really hard.

How long did you experience relief with spinal injections?

About 4 months and that really disappointed me. Before you’re eligible for nerve ablation, you have to have 2 rounds of those spinal injections to make sure that they actually take. If you don’t feel any relief, then you’re not eligible. 

Normally my pain sits between a 6 and a 14. It was like a 1 because I could still feel it a little, but I was like, oh my God, this is a miracle. I finally was able to get the nerve ablation. And that was very weird too, because you do have to be awake for that because as you’re burning the nerve, they have to make sure it’s not going down your leg. I thought this is great, but I thought I would get a year of relief. Even the doctor that performed it, was surprised that it wore off as quickly as it did.

Reflections

As a single woman, Megan-Claire had to be self-reliant on her cancer journey
Megan-Claire at an event with the Atlanta Falcons
What’s something you wish you knew earlier in your cancer journey?

I’m angry that no one set me up with the knowledge that I may never get my quality of life back. That sucks. “Here are some things that we can do to try and help you deal with that.” With all of this stuff happening physically and to my nervous system, I still have a job to do. I have to work full-time. 

I’m a creative and I naturally have a lot of energy. I wear myself out just being me. It’s really hard. I got bills to pay. I got my cat, my son, Nathan Edgar. Baby Natey. I got to take care of him, make sure he’s got his food. But I never feel like I get to rest. I want to travel. I want to own my own home, but every time I have savings, I think to myself, don’t spend it because something else might happen with your health and you might have to take off work. That makes me sad too, because I am doing a bit more living and not just existing, but it’s a lot of pressure on my shoulders. I can’t really pursue my true dreams of what I really want to do, which is to be on stage 24/7 because I have to make sure I have money and insurance for my 10 million medications, surgeries, and other procedures that just go on and on and on.

She wishes she'd been informed how her quality of life would change after cancer
She's been negatively impacted financially by cancer treatments
Megan-Claire reminds people that her experience won't be everyone's experience

This isn’t going to happen to everyone. That’s what I want to be clear about. I think patients would just like to know the potential. If something does happen or we get some sort of side effect, then we can say alright. Other patients have said this in the past. This is normal or this isn’t normal. 

Being self-reliant as a single person with cancer
Megan-Claire underlines the issue of insurance being tied to employment for those unable to work

I find that in a lot of conferences and things that I attend, every speaker starts out with, I think of my family and my kids. Do you think about those who will never have that? I feel very left out being single, and I don’t mean divorced and now single. I mean single. I don’t date. I don’t go out because I don’t know how to not talk about this. I’m in pain all the time. I can’t make small talk or put myself out there emotionally for rejection. Because I’m bigger now, I have that insecurity.

I think people really don’t understand how hard it is. It’s hard enough being in this country, being black, and being a woman. And when you’re diagnosed at a younger age and you have all of these issues and you’re still trying to have a career, you also need to pay all the bills and be prepared for other medical emergencies and always have insurance. And the fact that insurance is tied to employment. 

I can’t really go and pursue the creative stuff as much as I want to because, having to do everything myself, it’s a lot. 

I’m normally smiling but it’s through my writing that people really got to know me, and that’s where I was able to get some of this out. I’m still here but I really wish I had my quality of life.

What do you want to tell people on their own cancer journeys?

A lot of us post-cancer have a lot of issues because that’s when we start to learn about the long-term side effects of all the toxic treatments and multiple surgeries…It’s exhausting so make sure to give yourself breaks.

Megan-Claire encourages people to partner with their doctors in health decisions

Trust yourself and always remind them that [the doctors] are not the only ones making all the decisions. They can make suggestions for you, but it’s up to you to decide, is that the way I want to go? Ask them, “Is this what you would recommend for your sister, your mother, your daughter, your cousin?” 

If you feel more comfortable with the nurse, it is your right to say, “Can I have your nurse come in while you’re talking?” Or speak with them after. If a doctor’s feelings are hurt, that’s their ego talking. Because at the end of the day, you need to be armed with the information about your specific case so you can make informed decisions. It’s about making informed decisions together. It is a partnership with your medical providers. 

A lot of us post-cancer have a lot of issues because that’s when we start to learn about the long-term side effects of all the toxic treatments and multiple surgeries. Now you have new health issues. It’s exhausting so make sure to give yourself breaks. Your quality of life matters. I often say, cancer cannot take away the essence of you. God, I’m really crying here. It can’t take away the essence of you.

What has helped you along your cancer journey?

Though I still feel frozen financially and get scared because it all falls on me, I’ve been dating Atlanta, Georgia for 2 years. I do go to certain things when I can stand or I can walk. I do have an awesome pink cane on the days I’m feeling potentially wobbly, but I am doing things that may not be the thing that truly brings me all the joy, but I’m still able to find it. I just wrote a blog titled Finding Pockets of Joy. I wish there could be more, but I am finding that and that’s how I can actually have a genuine smile and feel like I am somewhat living. 

I’m still enjoying the things around me and finding others as a support system like my friends in the cancer space who I’ve met in person or who have been virtual. It’s amazing, the community and the connection, but also there’s racism in that too, and how hard that can be sometimes. There’s just a lot that weighs on a person like me but you can push through it.

Extend yourself grace. It’s okay to take a break. It’s not being selfish. It’s okay to take some PTO. I shut down. I do not answer emails when I take PTO, that is my time. You’ve got to actually make yourself the priority because, without your health, you got nothing.

For the single people, the truly single people who don’t have kids, it can be hard to find others. Protect yourself. When it’s time for Mother’s Day or Father’s Day, recognize that there is PTSD that goes with cancer. Sometimes I can’t handle going through the children’s section at Target. You’re going to realize there are certain triggers for you. Once you learn what those triggers are, you can avoid them. 

More importantly, find a therapist or a psychiatrist or someone to talk to about this who is objective. My therapist specializes in cancer and chronic pain. I know it can be hard to find people that you fit with and that’s the same with therapists. He had to audition for the coveted role of Megan-Claire’s therapist and he won it. You’re worth it and it’s too much to go through by yourself. Your family, as much as you love them and they love you, will not fully understand why you’re still struggling when it’s months and years post-cancer. So it really is important to find someone to help you process this and it is ongoing.

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