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A Double Lung Transplant with Stage 4 Non-Small Cell Lung Cancer: Natalie’s Search for Hope

A Double Lung Transplant with Stage 4 Non-Small Cell Lung Cancer: Natalie’s Search for Hope

For more than five and a half years, Natalie has been living with stage 4 lung cancer as the backdrop of her everyday life, describing the experience as “part one, part two, and part three” of pure survival mode. She was diagnosed with no smoking history and no identifiable biomarkers, and yet her cancer progressed through multiple clinical trials and chemotherapy regimens. Eventually, one of her clinicians raised an option many people, including some clinicians, do not realize exists for certain stage 4 lung cancer patients: a double lung transplant.​

Interviewed by: Taylor Scheib
Edited by: Chris Sanchez

By then, Natalie’s left lung function had dropped to around 3 percent, leaving her body functioning as if she had only one lung. She was told that chemotherapy options were essentially exhausted. Faced with ongoing non-small cell lung cancer progression and worsening day-to-day life, she chose to pursue lung transplant evaluation, relocate to a different state, and live within strict limits while waiting for “the call” that donor lungs were available. When that call finally came, she found herself rushing into surgery without her husband at her side, asking for medication to calm the fear as she was wheeled into an operating room full of people.​

Natalie B. lung cancer

Recovery from the double lung transplant was far rougher than the discharge estimates suggested. Surgeons told her they had to “yank” her severely diseased lungs out through a clamshell incision, leaving her with intense pain and a chest that often felt like it had “bricks” sitting on it. She spent over a year in Chicago, navigating tube feeding, rehab, and the ongoing risk of rejection while trying to reclaim basic movement. Gradually, things improved enough that she could walk more, travel a bit, and eventually return home to Atlanta.​

Just as she began to feel the payoff of the surgery, persistent back pain led to scans that revealed metastases to her spine only a few months after transplant. It was devastating to learn that after such a radical operation to treat her lung cancer, there were still four or five lesions in her spine that now required chemotherapy and radiation. Yet Natalie talks openly about allowing herself to cry, feel anger, and then ask, “What options do we have?” Her team is now exploring potential curative approaches to the spine, and she describes life today, with advocacy work, speaking, travel plans, and new lungs that allow her to stay active, as “actually pretty darn good.”​

Through it all, Natalie has leaned on memories of her grandmother, her husband’s support, and a determination to help others understand that stage 4 does not always mean “no options.” She continues to share her experience to show that surgery may be possible for some people with stage 4 lung cancer, that biomarkers do not always appear, and that it is still worth seeking second opinions, staying close with your care team, and holding onto the possibility that miracles can still happen.​

Watch Natalie’s video and read through her edited transcript below to learn more about her story. Read her previous interview about having been diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer.

  • Surgery, including a double lung transplant, may be an option for some people with stage 4 lung cancer when systemic treatments stop working, and it can open the door to more time and a better day-to-day life
  • Even with no biomarkers and failed clinical trials and chemotherapies, it can be worth asking about additional options, relocation to centers with specialized programs, and ongoing retesting
  • Recovery from a double lung transplant is often far more intense and longer than the estimates; pain, heaviness in the chest, and lifestyle adjustments can last many months or even years
  • It is normal to feel anger, fear, and the urge to give up, but allowing those feelings, staying connected to your care team, and seeking other opinions can create new paths forward
  • Natalie’s experience illustrates a powerful transformation from barely functioning with 3 percent lung capacity and no clear future to describing life with new lungs, advocacy work, and travel as “actually pretty darn good”​

  • Name: Natalie B.
  • Age at Diagnosis:
    • 33
  • Diagnosis:
    • Non-Small Cell Lung Cancer (NSCLC)
  • Staging:
    • Stage 4 (Metastatic)​
  • Symptoms:
    • Extreme fatigue
    • Severe cough
  • Treatments:
    • Chemotherapy
    • Immunotherapy
    • Clinical trials
    • Radiation therapy
    • Surgery: double lung transplant
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Natalie B. lung cancer
Natalie B. lung cancer
Natalie B. lung cancer
Natalie B. lung cancer
Natalie B. lung cancer

This interview has been edited for clarity and length. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider to make informed treatment decisions.

The views and opinions expressed in this interview do not necessarily reflect those of The Patient Story.



Surviving five and a half years with stage 4 lung cancer

I would say in the last five and a half years, it was a roller coaster. I would say part one, part two, and part three, but the last five and a half years have been about survival mode for me. 

I’ve been trying to survive and get to a point where I’m never going to be comfortable, but getting to a point where I feel a little bit more confident in my living situation is the best I can describe it.

Living life despite stage 4 lung cancer

So I did actually have to take a step back. I recently started traveling, probably about three weeks ago. This hasn’t been anything that I’ve been doing regularly because I had to change my lifestyle for probably about, I would say, 12 to 15 months. I had to relocate to another state to get part two of this story done. So that actually put me down; it kind of held me back from doing what it is that I needed to do.

So in the past 12 to 15 months, I’ve been having to focus on rebuilding myself, not only from a physical standpoint, but I would say a mental standpoint as well.

What keeps me going through cancer

So I’m not one of those people who get to the end of their life, and they’re like 80 or however old they are, and they say, “Well, I’ve done everything. I’m okay with passing away,” and so forth. Well, I’m not quite 40 yet, and there are still a lot of things that I want to do. Other than travel, I want to hang around. I want to be around my family. I want to be around my friends.

Now, unfortunately, I do have this disease. But I want to try to make an impact on people’s lives. And not necessarily, most people say, “Oh, well, you can just start a foundation.” Well, I’ve already done that, and I did not want to continue doing it, so I’m not. But I want to continue to share my story, to try to give people hope. And I’m slowly realizing that I am actually helping people by sharing my story. So I want to continue to be able to do that. So as long as I can hang around here and share my story and travel and be with my family and friends, I think that’ll make life worth living.

Why I keep sharing my lung cancer story

I choose to do so for several reasons. Well, number one, especially with my new situation that has occurred, I want people to know that surgery can be an option for a stage 4 cancer patient. Well, let me not say cancer. Let me say lung cancer, because I don’t know about all cancers in general. But for a stage 4 lung cancer patient, if you qualify, surgery can be an option. And with this surgery, it’s an opportunity to help extend, save, or improve your life.

So I think that’s extremely important because so many people don’t even know that this option exists. A lot of medical professionals don’t even know about this, so that’s one reason. The second reason is that I want to show people what a stage 4 cancer patient and advocate can look like. Everyone does not look like me. Everyone doesn’t function like me. Everyone is different depending on treatment stages and all of that. But I want people to know that stage 4 is not always a death sentence. Are you going to have struggles and issues? Of course. Who isn’t? It’s stage 4 cancer.

But I want people to know, I’m sure you’ve heard this phrase a thousand times, but I’m going to repeat it a thousand more, that as long as you have lungs, you still can get lung cancer. You do not have to be a smoker. People also need to know, and which I don’t talk a lot about, which I’m actually focusing on more, is to talk about more things like radon. Radon causes lung cancer. I don’t hear a lot of people talk about that as much as it should be talked about, a lot of environmental factors. So I want to learn more about that and share my story more on that. And also, those are things that I’m working on for educational purposes as well.

The one thing I want people to know about lung cancer

It’s that no matter how healthy you think you are, and no matter how good you think you eat, and no matter how into fitness you are, you work out, you can work out three times a day or do something, something extreme, you can still get lung cancer. It does not matter. It doesn’t matter about anything, because a lot of people always say, “Well, you know, I eat well, and I don’t eat pork, and I don’t eat this and that.” Well, that’s great that you don’t eat a lot of these things. But I know people who literally have the cleanest diet in the world, or the best exercise routines, and they still end up catching something.

So it’s not all about what you do. Sometimes it just happens, unfortunately.

Cancer progression before my double lung transplant

So before this was brought up for me, my cancer had started to progress, meaning, of course, it started to spread and/or get worse, however you want to word it. I had gone through two clinical trials already. They unfortunately failed. I tried two different chemotherapies after I started to progress, and they failed also.

So the idea behind this was, “Hey, well, let’s keep trying different chemos or different clinical trials and see if the progression stops.” Well, we don’t know if the progression is going to stop even if I continue to do these things. So that’s when one of my healthcare providers actually knew about this double lung transplant program, and she brought it up to me, because like I said, I was just going to continue to keep trying these things, but there was no guarantee that they were going to work.

And I was told, “Your disease is spreading slowly, but it is still spreading.” So on one hand, the fact that it was slow was great, but the fact that it was still spreading was not great. And then my health started to decline. So I think my left lung had dropped down to like 3% functionality. So basically, I had two lungs, but my body was only acting as if I had one. So my day-to-day started to get harder. I was not on oxygen or anything like that, but when it started to get difficult for me to do things, I said, “Okay, I think we do need to go ahead and fully entertain this.”

Hearing that a double lung transplant was my option

So my initial reaction was fear. I didn’t know what a double lung transplant was. I mean, obviously, I heard the words ‘double’ and ‘transplant’. If you put two and two together, you figure it out. But it just sounds really scary, like a double lung transplant. Excuse me, on this little itty bitty body. And I was just like, “Am I even going to be able to make this work?”

You know, I was on ChatGPT, and I was reading all this stuff, like the survival rates of transplant patients. And it was just saying all these things, and I’m just like, “Oh my goodness.” However, I thought about it. When I consulted with the surgeon at the hospital, he said, “Your lungs are trashed, and basically you can continue to try these trials and try these chemos.” 

Let me back up for a second. We had pretty much run out of chemo options, so there were no more chemos that were really going to do anything. So we were only looking at clinical trials at the next point.

So he basically was saying, “You can keep trying these trials, but I mean, you either try the trial and go through it, or you just have the transplant if you qualify.” So I said, “Okay, well, let’s just go do the transplant.” So I was very afraid. But once I actually knew how, once I heard him say, “Your lungs are trash,” which I already knew that, I said, okay, let’s move forward with this testing.

Facing lung cancer with no biomarkers

I actually talk about that a lot to my husband and among the people I know. My mom specifically, I always tell her, ”It really sucks that I don’t have any type of biomarker.” And then every time somebody asks me this, they’ll say, “There’s no way that you don’t have one.” They’ll say, “Oh, maybe they missed it.” They didn’t miss anything.

And then, as of today, I still get tested every 90 to 120 days, and there’s still nothing there. So I feel some type of way about it, because I feel like if I did, that would give me, or open me up to, better options as far as treatment. I feel like maybe I wouldn’t have had to have the double lung transplant if I did have some targeted treatment. There are so many things that I think about, and sometimes I think, “Oh, wow, so-and-so is lucky.” And I mean, none of us are lucky because we have this.

But I think about it, just being transparent. It’s like, oh, well, this particular person does have a few more options than I do, just because they have a biomarker. And then they’ll get on the medication, and then maybe in a year or so they’ll say, “I’m no evidence of disease.” And of course, everybody still has their struggles, but sometimes it does make me feel sad because I don’t have that targeted option available. Not one bit. So that definitely still bothers me to this day.

How I cope with not having biomarkers

I just try to move forward. I sit in it for a second. I think about it. I get angry, or I cry, or whatever. When I’m angry, I just have to keep moving and think, “Since that option is not available, let’s talk about what option is available instead of just dwelling on what we have no control over.”

And then I always think, like, maybe one magical day a biomarker will pop up. I mean, anything is possible.

Deciding to relocate for a double lung transplant

I had to relocate for this procedure. That was the first thing that they told me. And I told my husband, “You know, I have to move.” Like, what? I was like, “It’s going to be so cold up there.” And I remember him saying, “You’re worried about the cold? Out of all the things to worry about? Like, girl, come on.” I said, “Yeah, you’re right.”

But yeah, I was thinking about cost, number one, because all the financials are on you. You don’t really get any help or anything for relocating. So that was something that I thought about. I thought about having people up there with me. How often would someone be able to be there? Would I be okay mentally? How long was it going to take me to recover?

It was just so many things. Am I even going to meet the testing qualifications? Because you still have to go through about maybe two to three weeks of testing, maybe a little longer. So I’m thinking, “I still have to get past that.” And once you do that, it’s like the board has to meet to still decide whether or not you’re qualified, even though the results may say one thing.

So there were just so many things that I had to worry about, that I had to think about. I know this is not as important, but I’m thinking about my dog too. I’m going to have to leave my dog because I couldn’t take him, because I couldn’t care for him or anything while I was up there. So it was just so many things because this was like a life-changing surgery. It was risky. I thought about so many things.

Waiting for “the call” for donor lungs

You have to actually be in the state first. So once you actually get there, then that’s when they say, “We have officially put you on the list.” I think I was told that a call could take as quickly as 24 hours, which is unlikely, but it has happened. Or you could be waiting as long as 60 days.

And I’m thinking, “Oh, gosh, I don’t want to be a 60-dayer,” but you just never know how this thing is going to work. So, when I went up there, I had to prepare myself to get a phone call at any time. They said it could be the middle of the night, whatever it is. You gotta stop, drop, and go.

You have to be within X number of miles of the hospital. So this phone call was pretty much controlling everything that you do. So if I wanted to, let’s say, take a day trip somewhere, I couldn’t do that because I would be too far away. There were so many things. Once you actually get put on the list, it’s just basically the beginning of that story.

Getting the call for donor lungs

Yes, I was a little nervous. Well, for one thing, when you go through these procedures, they have what they call a dry run. So there’s a possibility that you could get a call, get to the hospital, and still not be a good match, and you’ll have to go home. So in the back of my mind, I’m thinking about the worst-case scenario anyway. “Hey, they’re going to call me, and then I’m going to get sent home.

Well, my situation was a little different. They called me on a Thursday night at around 8:00 pm, and they said, “We might have a pair of lungs for you, but we don’t know yet. So what you’ll have to do is come into the hospital on Friday morning. We’ll have to do testing for you and see if basically your lungs are going to be a fit. It’s going to be between you and somebody else.”

So, basically, it was me and somebody else at the hospital at the same time, just waiting on whoever was going to get the green light.

The only thing I knew was that the lungs were for a tiny person. So if they didn’t fit me, they were going to the other person, and then the other way around. But no, I didn’t know anything about them.

Being chosen for the lungs and heading into surgery

So they ended up telling me once I was at the hospital for like five hours before I even found out that I was the official person for the lungs. So they called me, and they came into my room and said, “Hey, just to let you know, the lungs go to you.” And I was like, “Yay!” I’m all excited.

And I said, “The next question is, how soon before surgery?” Because my best friend was there with me, but my husband was not there. He literally was getting on a plane, I think, as soon as I called him. So he was hanging out at the airport. And so they said, “We have, I think, three or four, maybe five hours.” And I was like, “Perfect, my husband will be here.” By the time I woke up, my family was there.

But that quickly changed. They came in, and they said, “Hey, we’re ready to go.” And I said, “Wait, my husband is not here yet.” And they said, “Well, you know, we can’t wait. We gotta go.” And I said, “You just told me I had a few hours.”

So my husband, at this point, I think, is about to take off, and I’m about to get wheeled out to start this prep, and he’s not going to make it before I get put to sleep. So I told my best friend, “Bye.” She was crying, and I’m just like, “Oh my gosh, this is really happening.” And I said, “Can you guys please give me some medicine? I’m so afraid.”

So they instantly gave me something to calm me down because I was about to jump out of bed at that point. And they wheeled me in. I talked to the anesthesiologist. They gave me some calming medicine. They rolled me into the room with like 50 other people, and I was just like, “Oh my goodness.” And the next thing I know, I wake up. It’s another day.

I was told it took between six and eight hours, a little longer than it was supposed to take, just because they had difficulty getting my lungs out.

My hope going into the double lung transplant

So my hope is based on what I was told. So first of all, the surgery is considered a clinical trial. So they let you know up front that there is a possibility that this may work, and that it may not work. Obviously, we’re doing this for the greater chance of it working.

But, you know, in my mind, I was thinking, “Hey, I’m going to get these diseased lungs that have lung cancer removed, and I’m going to get them replaced with some brand new lungs. When I wake up, I will no longer have lung cancer.” 

Waking up with new lungs

When I woke up, well, first off, I woke up with a bunch of tubes in me, and another double lung transplant recipient had already told me kind of what to expect. So when I woke up, I was kind of freaking out. I couldn’t talk, but I was telling them to take the tubes and stuff off of me.

And so I remember requesting a sheet of paper and something to write with. And I remember saying, like, “Take this off of me,” or something I said. And I know my mom and my dad and everybody was freaking out and saying, “Please take these tubes off her, because she’s going to end up going crazy from them being in.”

And they were explaining to them that they had to keep them in because I wasn’t breathing on my own or something. And then I wrote on the paper again, “I can breathe on my own.” So finally, after going back and forth on the paper, they ended up taking them off, and they saw that I could breathe on my own.

But those tubes were very frightening for me. I had never had tubes before, so I was afraid.

What recovery from a double lung transplant was really like

So they want you to get out of the hospital quickly. They don’t want you to stay there long-term. They actually want you up and out of bed on day three, basically. So I was in the hospital for a total of two weeks: one week in the ICU and then one week on the stepdown floor.

I would have gone faster than two weeks if my pain weren’t so bad. They couldn’t get my pain under control, which is the only reason why I was there for two weeks. Because I know people who have only been in there one week, and they got released. So a combination of two weeks. I lost a lot of weight in the hospital, of course, because I was tube-fed for about a week and a half, which was awful.

I did really well in the hospital, though, towards the end of my two weeks, because I got out of bed more. I walked. They did have therapy coming to my room, but you can also request that your nurses, of course, walk you around the hospital. So I requested that. And then they determined that I still needed therapy. But instead of me actually staying in rehab, I could just go to rehab like two or three days a week. So that was the good part about it.

The worst, one of the worst parts about it, was the pain. I was told that they had to like, rip — I don’t want to use the word rip — or yank the lungs out. And they had to call in a second surgeon or backup surgeon to help because my lungs were so diseased that they couldn’t just pull them out like they normally would. So I was told that I would have more pain than the average person, just because of the way that they had to pull them out.

So I initially was told that my recovery would probably be about six months, when people started to feel better. But I disagree with that. I would say a partial recovery would take about eight months. As for full recovery, I’m not fully recovered still today, so I don’t know what a full recovery timeline is. I know I’ve talked to a few people who have had this done a while ago, and they said it took them a full two years to feel normal, whatever that is.

But I had to stay in Chicago. You have to do a one-year commitment to stay a part of the program. I was there maybe a little longer than a year, just because I had to go back and forth for testing, for about 12 to 15 months.

But as far as the recovery went, it was extremely rough. With this double lung transplant, they open you up clamshell-style, and a lot of times, your chest feels heavy. So sometimes, you know, I wasn’t able to wear anything under my shirt, no bra or anything like that, just so I could try to feel free. But there’s a heaviness that can come with the transplant. So sometimes, if you’re not even doing anything, it’s like you’re sitting there and you’ve just got bricks on your chest.

So it’s different. I had issues riding in cars. For instance, when I would take Ubers to the doctor’s office, the car had to be big because I had to be able to stretch or lie down across the back seat to get to the doctor’s office. Any bump in the road would make it hurt. There are so many things about the surgery.

A lot of people always say, “You look great.” Well, thank you, but it’s been a lot. My goal is to work out three days a week. But sometimes I can’t work out three days a week.

So I am back in Atlanta now. I got home about a month ago. Thank goodness I’m back home. So I started walking and working out when I first got back home. And then after that, I had some issues with my chest being like it had those bricks on it again, and I had to stop. I just started again yesterday.

So with this lifestyle, you kind of have to make adjustments according to how you feel. And nothing is wrong when your chest is heavy. It’s not what everybody faces; for me, it’s just what comes with the territory.

How I feel about having someone else’s lungs

I would say I don’t think it has bothered me as I heard it might. I heard a lot of people go through this mental situation where it bothers them that they don’t have their original lungs and, you know, they have a deceased donor and all that. God bless the donors.

I haven’t really had that issue that much. I’m extremely grateful for being able to get the lungs. Definitely sorry about how I had to go about getting them. But it doesn’t bother me, I don’t think that much because I think I try to focus on just making sure that the lungs are healthy. After all, these lungs can still go into rejection.

That’s a whole other part of it. You have to take these rejection meds your entire life. So instead of me thinking about the situation, I try to think about the situation this way: “Let’s try to make sure we keep these lungs healthy. Let’s try to work out. Let’s try not to be around certain things that will possibly cause rejection or make things worse.” So I try to focus on the quality of life of the lungs.

When my back pain started after the transplant

Probably about a month after I had surgery, my back started to hurt, and I kept telling them about it. And they would say, “It’s because you’re doing therapy and you’re stretching your muscles and you haven’t really moved.” And I would think, “Okay, that makes sense.” And then they were saying that it was because of the actual surgery.

And I listened to what they were saying for just a small amount of time, and I was just like, “No, something just does not seem right.” So I was already due for scans anyway, just because, still dealing with my history, I’m going to have to get scans for life anyway.

I already had a scan scheduled. So we were probably maybe two months after surgery at that point. And then I went ahead and had a scan, and they called me so quickly. And I already knew something was wrong because they called too quickly.

They asked me how soon I could come in. And I said, “The cancer is back, isn’t it?” They responded, “We really want you to talk to the doctor.” And then my phone went off. It was a MyChart notification.

So I was about to hyperventilate because at this point, I’m by myself right now. And I open it, just scanning it. I didn’t even want to read it in detail, but I saw enough words to say, okay. So I called my husband. I’m screaming. I’m like, “The lung cancer’s back.” I don’t really even know anything, but I’m just like, the cancer is back. And, you know, why did I have this surgery? I’m just, you know, he’s trying to calm me down. Obviously, he’s not there.

So I called a friend of mine who actually lived in the same building as me, and I was like, “Hey, I think my lung cancer is back. Can you go to the doctor with me?” And she’s like, “Wait, wait, wait, what?” So I was like, “I don’t know much. I just need you to go to the doctor with me.”

So we went to the doctor. A bunch of things lit up and this, this, this. “But what we’re mostly concerned about is your spine, your back area. So we need to do a biopsy of the spine.”

And fast-forwarding, we did, and it did come back and say that I have cancer in my spine. I have, I think, four or five lesions, which is why my back was hurting to the extent that it was hurting. So I was angry because at this point I’m like, you know, why did I even get this surgery done for the cancer to come back?

And I’m asking them, “Hey, please tell me why it came back. Just give me something.” And nobody really could give me an answer. We were kind of thinking that maybe this might have already been there, and it was hiding, and then something just made it come up to the surface, because I had been complaining about back pain for years, and we had been checking for years, and nothing ever came up.

So nobody to this day really knows where and how. But in the back of our minds, I’ve just had this major surgery to get rid of lung cancer, and now here we are again dealing with it. So I had to start chemo and radiation. So, imagine me only being two and a half, three months out from surgery, not only having to do chemo, but having to do. I mean, you know, I just had surgery. That was hard.

I lost my grandmother and father-in-law while in treatment

So I think I was thinking about two things at this moment. So I had another rough patch during all of this. Unfortunately, at the beginning of the year, my grandmother and my father-in-law actually passed away on the same day. So while I’m dealing with all this, I lost them, too.

And my grandmother, if anybody knows me, she does. Hands down, my best friend, best person. So that actually set me back mentally. But a lot of the time that I was going through things, I was always thinking about my grandmother. I basically feel like I got the ability to be strong from her.

So anytime any situation comes up, I’m always hearing her in my brain, “Hey, I know you’ve just overcome, you just have another obstacle, but, hey, let’s do this.” Literally, I feel like my grandmother was just always talking to me.

And so I always talk about my husband as well being a good influence, too. So I would think about him, and then I would think about my grandma, and I’m like, “Okay. All right, Grandma, I got this. I can do this.”

That’s the only way I think that I would have made it through. But I mean, obviously, if she had been here, that would have helped me too. But just thinking about her a lot helped me get through this. Definitely. Hands down.

Readjusting to life in Atlanta after Chicago

It’s been a slight adjustment. Number one, because I actually love Chicago. I wanted to leave, but I didn’t. I mean, that’s like my second home at this point. I love that place. But it has been an adjustment, especially coming back home. I have a lot of stairs in my home. So having all these steps has been a lot versus in Chicago, it’s mostly flat. So that’s been crazy.

But I’ve actually been really busy since I’ve gotten back between advocacy and speaking engagements. I’ve been to doctors’ appointments. At one point, I think I had one day where I literally had nothing to do, and that was last week. But every day since I’ve come home, there’s been something to do. And of course, you know, I want to see my friends and everybody else. So we’ve started to get together.

So I’ve been busy, and I haven’t had a lot of problems since I’ve been here. Things have been really good since I’ve been home.

Staying busy after transplant and treatment

I guess you can say I’ve really been busy, even prior to just coming back home. I will say that when I was in Chicago, it had gotten kind of hard for me because I was so involved in everything. I was so tired. It was at a point where I had to say, “I just can’t do it.”

Because Chicago was actually worse than Atlanta. When I was in Chicago, I mean, I was speaking. I was just completely busy in Chicago. And then when I found out when I was going home, I had like a little Chicago bucket list of things that I wanted to do, as if I wasn’t going back, but I wanted to check the box to try to do this, try to do that.

So when people were coming into town, I think the last three or four months of my being there, I had so many visitors. It was amazing. But every time someone came, we were never at my apartment. We were just out.

So it was very hard to try to entertain people, have fun, and go to doctors’ appointments, but still trying to worry about yourself. But once again, in the back of my mind, I’m thinking, “Hey, I’m still here. I’m in much better shape than I was before.”

Before the transplant, I had to take a nap to function. I do not take a lot of naps. As a matter of fact, I have issues going to sleep. That’s a whole other story. But I just have so much more energy now. It’s the strangest thing.

I mean, of course, if I work out, I’m going to be tired. But I know this is going to sound crazy when I say this, but life is actually pretty darn good. I would say that for me, from where I came from to now, there are so many things that have changed. I’m so much happier. Life is just really good.

I’m getting ready to go on vacation again. What did my husband tell me this morning? It’s in like 40 days. You’re ready to get ready. We’re going on vacation again, so of course that makes me excited. But things are just, things are just really good right now.

Continuing to do what I love, even with cancer

It makes me feel really good because I know a lot of people in my situation who are not able to do the things that I’m doing. I’m not even talking about traveling, just in general, because they’re sick and they can’t travel. I mean, not saying I’m not sick, but they just can’t do the things that I can do. Or mentally, they’re just not there. I mean, physically, you can be okay, but mentally, sometimes, if you’re not there, that can really throw things off.

But I’m just so glad that I can do these things and share my story. I’ve gotten more into advocacy. I wasn’t into advocacy as much. I’ve always done it since I got diagnosed, but something has driven me to go more into it. I think maybe last summer is when I started feeling a little better, and I started saying, “Since I feel better, let me go after it.” Because of course, you know, if you’re feeling good, then that’s when you want to try to do what it is that you can do.

So yeah, I don’t know how I’m actually doing it, but I am doing it, and I just feel good. Do I have issues? Yeah. I mean, to be honest, my back hurts right now. But I mean, I went to get a haircut today. I went and ran another errand. So, you know, I can’t just stop because of a little pain or a little something.

Obviously, if it’s drastic, I’m going to relax and not do as much. But overall, I know it sounds crazy, but as I said, I’m just a lot happier than I was before. But I mean, I do have new lungs, so I’d better be happy.

How I look at the future now

So before I had the double lung transplant, I didn’t think much of the future, just being completely transparent. I wasn’t even sure I was going to make it to five years. So the fact that I’m at five and a half just really means a lot to me.

But now I do look at the future differently. I don’t want to say hesitant, but I’m still kind of on the lookout. I still have anxiety, all of these things. But I’m not as scared or as fearful as I was before, because I feel like this surgery has opened up more healthy opportunities for me.

And I do feel like I’ve been talking to my team about my back, and we’re looking at some curative options for it. But that’s all I’ll say, because I don’t really know much about it. I actually have a meeting with them next week.

So things look like they are continuing to get better, or they do have options for me. Like, for instance, we’ve already talked about this particular chemo. Like, if this chemo doesn’t work, what’s next? So we already have another chemo lined up to try if something goes wrong. So the fact that my team is working with me to go to next steps if we need to makes me feel a whole lot more confident about the future.

As I said, I’m still a little shaky about things just because it’s cancer, and you know how that works. But I feel better. And then, with the lung transplant, I don’t want to use the word worry, but rejection is a possibility.

So not only are you thinking about lung cancer, but you’re thinking about rejection as well. So it’s basically like you’ve got two jobs with two different major medical conditions that you’re having to follow. So I do think about rejection a little bit more than I think about cancer, to be honest with you.

Just because, number one, I don’t want to have another double lung transplant. I don’t, even if I technically qualify, because that surgery was the worst one that I’ve done in my life. But you cannot control rejection. You can treat acute rejection, but you just never know when things are going to go wrong. So that does kind of bother me a little bit more than the cancer situation. So those are things that I still think about.

My message of hope to others with stage 4 lung cancer

I would say miracles do happen. It’s funny because I actually said that when I first had the surgery, and then, three months later, my lung cancer was in my spine. But still, piggybacking off of that, miracles still do happen because my doctors or my team have said, “We can look at curative options for you.” That has never been said before. So that’s something brand-new that gives me hope.

So I would just tell people that, try not to give up, because I know giving up is hard. At one point, I wanted to give up, so I’m not going to even act like I just have had it together all along because I haven’t. I wanted to give up.

But I would encourage people to be as close as possible with your medical team. I think that helps a lot. The better the relationship, the closer you are to them. I mean, I don’t mean you gotta bring them brownies every day or anything, but just try to establish a relationship with them so that you could have better options, better connections.

That’s what I do. I love my whole team in Chicago, in Atlanta. I’ve never had any major issues. Of course, you’re going to have some issues because it’s just healthcare, and then it’s the patient.

But I would just encourage people, don’t give up. Try not to give up and try to establish a good relationship with your healthcare team. It’s just extremely important. If you feel something’s not right, go get another opinion. I don’t know how many opinions I’ve had, but I’ve had enough of them. You know, I’ve had a lot. Let me just say that. I wouldn’t just go off one opinion.

So, I mean, there are so many things I could tell people all day, but just try not to give up because things do change. For instance, with the biomarker thing, I haven’t given up on biomarkers. I mean, I still get tested regularly, even though I don’t think anything is going to ever come up. But I still look for hope. Maybe one day.

Why sharing my story matters

As I said, I just try to encourage people not to give up. And then also, I would try to encourage people to share their story if they feel comfortable.

We all have lung cancer in the community, but our stories and our journeys are not the same. So, whereas I’ve had a double lung transplant, you might have somebody who’s been on targeted therapy for X amount of years or clinical trials. So sharing different versions of stories is very helpful and educational.

So if you feel comfortable and you want to, please share your story. You never know who it’ll help, is what I would finally say.


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Hodgkin Lymphoma at 18: Kate’s Experience of Faith, Fertility Fears, and Finding Her Voice​

Hodgkin Lymphoma at 18: Kate’s Experience of Faith, Fertility Fears, and Finding Her Voice​

Kate’s young adult Hodgkin lymphoma experience began at 18, just months into her freshman year and Division I softball career in Iowa. A bad cough, a sore throat, hoarseness, and a lump in her neck led to an urgent care visit that revealed a chest mass and, days later, a Hodgkin lymphoma diagnosis (specifically, nodular sclerosis, the most common subtype of Hodgkin lymphoma). Instead of focusing on classes and competing for a starting spot, she was suddenly learning to navigate chemotherapy, scans, and anxiety — all while trying to stay enrolled part-time and stay known as “the softball player,” not “the girl with cancer.”​

Interviewed by: Carly Knowlton
Edited by: Chris Sanchez

Kate’s care team started ABVD chemotherapy, a standard Hodgkin lymphoma treatment, with an initial plan of 12 infusions. Mid‑treatment scans looked so encouraging that the team stopped after eight infusions, and on Valentine’s Day 2014, she completed what everyone hoped would be her last chemotherapy session. Still, Kate remembers a quiet unease that the disease might not be fully gone. A few months later, on her way to run with a teammate, she found a lump under her arm. A needle biopsy confirmed that the Hodgkin lymphoma was still active — not because she had done anything wrong, but because the cancer had not fully responded to the first regimen.​​

Kate H. Hodgkin lymphoma

What followed was ICE chemotherapy in the hospital and an autologous stem cell transplant later that year, which Kate describes as the hardest part of her Hodgkin lymphoma experience. High‑dose chemo wiped out her immune system, leaving her exhausted, isolated, and masked long before the COVID‑19 pandemic made masks commonplace. A cousin moved in to care for her during the 90 days when she needed to avoid public spaces and anyone who was sick. Slowly, her counts recovered, scans cleared, and follow‑up shifted from frequent imaging to yearly blood work and tuning in closely to her own symptoms.​​

Beyond the medical events, Hodgkin lymphoma reshaped who Kate understood herself to be. She eventually stepped away from college softball, re‑rooting her identity in her Christian faith rather than athletic performance. She became a nurse, working in aesthetics, and created “Naturally Kate,” where she shares about low‑tox living, honoring the body as a “temple,” and being your own advocate in the exam room. Perhaps most tenderly, after freezing just three eggs before transplant, she later conceived two daughters naturally, holding that reality as a daily reminder to keep hope alive, even when the path includes relapse, hair loss, and long seasons of uncertainty.​​

Watch Kate’s video and read through the edited transcript of her interview below for more about her story.

  • Hodgkin lymphoma symptoms, such as a persistent cough, neck lump, shortness of breath, fatigue, and unexplained weight loss, can be easy to dismiss during busy seasons of life, but Kate’s story shows how critical it is to pay attention and seek care when something keeps nagging at you
  • Fertility conversations as a teenager can be overwhelming, but options like egg freezing can create a path toward parenthood later; in Kate’s case, she now holds profound gratitude for being able to conceive two daughters naturally after treatment
  • Clean eating, low‑tox products, and movement became important ways for Kate to honor her body after Hodgkin lymphoma, reflecting a longer‑term shift toward caring for her “temple” rather than taking her health for granted
  • Kate describes a deep transformation: from a naive 18‑year‑old college softball player to a nurse, mother, and advocate who now centers her identity in her faith instead of her sport and uses her experience to support others
  • You know your body best, and if you feel dismissed or sense something is still wrong, it is both valid and important to ask more questions, seek a second opinion, and find clinicians who listen

  • Name: Kate H.
  • Age at Diagnosis:
    • 18
  • Diagnosis:
  • Staging:
    • Stage 2
  • Symptoms:
    • Severe, persistent cold
    • Shortness of breath during athletic activity
    • Pale itchy skin
    • Appearance of a lump in the neck
  • Treatments:
    • Chemotherapy: ABVD and ICE
    • Autologous stem cell transplant
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Kate H. Hodgkin lymphoma
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Kate H. Hodgkin lymphoma

This interview has been edited for clarity and length. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider to make informed treatment decisions.

The views and opinions expressed in this interview do not necessarily reflect those of The Patient Story.



My Hodgkin lymphoma diagnosis at 18

My name is Kate. I live in Iowa, and I was diagnosed with Hodgkin’s lymphoma when I was 18. So that was in 2013.

Life in Iowa, motherhood, and daily passions

I’m a mom, and so we do a lot of different things with our children. I work part-time so I can have the best of both worlds, providing but also being with my kids. We are very active. We like to work out, we like to go on walks and runs, traveling here and there. We’re not a huge travel family, but we do like to take a big family vacation at least once a year.

We’re really involved in our church. That’s very important to us as well. I help with the kids’ room. My husband is on the sound team. We used to be youth leaders before, but that’s a bigger time commitment. We spend a lot of time with our friends as well. We get together with a group of friends once a month, and then that’s more intentional time together, and then here and there with different groups of friends.

How faith shaped my Hodgkin lymphoma journey

I would say I’ve always been a believer, but it was more of a childlike faith. I grew up in a Lutheran home, and I went to a Lutheran school until eighth grade, and I knew of Jesus. But it definitely changed when I got to college. I was seeking out the Lord more when I got to college, and my freshman year of college is when I got diagnosed.

I am thankful I already had that want and that desire to know the Lord better and grow in my faith, because it was three months into my freshman year when I got diagnosed. I knew that I needed to lean on the Lord during that time. I knew He was going to get me through, but I didn’t really know what it meant to trust Him until this time.

A lot of my faith, I would say, is strong because of my mom. She has such a strong faith, just so admirable. She really helped me through that, too, just trusting Him. She had to trust Him herself. Looking back, my mom had a huge role in my faith journey as well, going through this, but it definitely grew during that time.

There are always ups and downs, especially when you’re coming to faith and really understanding what it is to be a Christian and to trust God. Knowing that He died for your sins is all you have to know, that’s all you have to believe, and just trust Him with your life. It was a road to get to where I’m at now, but it has definitely helped me through, because I always knew, even after my diagnosis and during all my cancer treatment, that He’s not done with me. I always felt in my heart that He’s not done.

That looks like a lot of different ways for me, but trusting Him with every moment of every day has definitely been a process. It is one of those things where you just have to let go, literally let go, and let God.

I had college softball dreams before Hodgkin lymphoma

I always knew that I wanted to play softball in college. I remember telling one of my high school counselors, “I’m just going to play in college.” He asked, “What do you want to do with your life?” and I said, “I don’t know, I just want to play softball, and I’ll figure it out.” He said, “But Kate, you need a plan.” Looking back, I understand what he was saying, but at the time, I thought, “I’ll just figure it out.”

I came up with the goal that I was going to play in college. I went to the University of Northern Iowa. It was 20 to 25 minutes from where I grew up, very close to home. I always thought I would go a little farther, but everything aligned. I was very close to home and then got diagnosed.

My plans definitely changed. I had a lot of big aspirations for my college softball career. That’s one of the reasons why I chose UNI, because it was D1. I always held myself to a high standard when it came to softball, and I thought, “I can totally compete for a spot as a freshman.” I was trying to compete for a spot in the fall season because I was able to play that fall, and then I got diagnosed after that.

I didn’t have any big dreams or aspirations as far as a career goes, but I was going to figure that out along the way, and sure enough, I did. I would say most of my dreams and aspirations going into college were about softball and then creating relationships and going from there.

My early Hodgkin lymphoma symptoms and an urgent care visit

I always tell my story by looking back on my symptoms. I can tell you what they were, but there was nothing where I thought, “Wait, something’s not right.” The reason I went to urgent care one weekend was that it was our first weekend without softball games. The fall season was over, we had the weekend off, and being 20 minutes from home, I thought, “Okay, I’ll go home.” Everyone else was going home. I literally didn’t go home until about three months into school, which was hard because I was so busy, especially as a college athlete.

I went home and recalled going shopping with some friends. I was feeling sick, had a really bad cough, and was starting to lose my voice, but I didn’t think anything of it. We came home from shopping, I was hanging out with my mom, and I was coughing up a lot of gunk, just a virus-type sick. My mom said, “Let’s go to urgent care, just in case you have a sinus infection.”

I’m a nurse now, but at the time, none of us had any medical background. Looking back, it was kind of silly to go to urgent care, but it was meant to be because of what we found out there. We went to urgent care. I remember I had this cup that I was drinking hot cocoa out of, and the warmth felt good on my throat because it was so sore. It was a really cute cup from TJ Maxx. It said, “I have plans for you, declares the Lord,” and it’s so crazy how things all line up looking back.

We went through everything at urgent care. Strep was negative, and I didn’t have a sinus infection. They said, “You’re just sick.” Then I told my mom about this lump right here that would come and go. It had probably been there since the summer, but because it would come and go, I didn’t think much of it. The nurse practitioner, or maybe she was a PA, felt it and said, “Let’s get an X-ray on that. That’s way too big not to do something about.”

So I got a chest X-ray, and there was a mass on my chest. The next day, that was a Sunday, and on Monday, I remember calling my coach on the way home, explaining what was going on, a little hysterical because we just didn’t know what it was. Then I was in Iowa City the next day doing a scan. On Wednesday of that week, I had a biopsy, so I have a little tiny scar right here that thankfully is not very noticeable.

My mom apparently found out via MyChart that it was indeed Hodgkin lymphoma on that Friday, but she didn’t want to tell me. That next Monday is when we officially found out it was Hodgkin, and that Friday, I started chemo.

Looking back on my symptoms, I was very pale and losing weight, but I thought, “I’m just starting college, and we’re working out a lot.” I think two days a week, we had weightlifting and 3- to 4-hour practices in the fall heat in Iowa. I thought, “I’m just sweating a lot.” I didn’t think anything of the paleness. Looking back at pictures from the time, I was really pale.

I was short of breath a lot because there was a mass on my chest. In Iowa, we play high school softball in the summer, so we have five seasons of high school softball because you can play your eighth-grade summer through senior year. My senior year summer, I was playing for my high school, and my high school softball coach said, “Kate, stop holding your breath when you run.” I said, “I’m not holding my breath, I’m trying to breathe when I run.” I would book it over to second base and be panting, and he kept telling me to stop holding my breath. I wasn’t, so the mass was growing even then.

There was also fatigue, of course, but I didn’t think anything of that. Those were my symptoms.

Hearing “Hodgkin lymphoma” for the first time

I had asked my mom what lymphoma was. I had no idea. I had heard of cancer, but I didn’t realize there were different types of cancer. I had heard of leukemia and breast cancer, but I had no idea beyond that. I would describe myself at 18 as very naive. I didn’t know a lot about anything, and who expects an 18-year-old to know all the types of cancers?

I had no one close to me who had a blood cancer. My aunt had passed away from breast cancer, but otherwise, I hadn’t had anybody close to me who had a different type of cancer. I didn’t really understand that at the time.

I started ABVD chemotherapy within days of my diagnosis

I started chemo within about 12 days of the urgent care visit.

For Hodgkin at the time, it might be different now, but it was pretty standard. My doctor said, “This is what we’re going to start with.” I remember them saying something like, “This is a very curable cancer. Yes, it’s still going to be hard, but a high percentage of people do very well.” I think they said something like 80% of the time, after this initial treatment, people are good to go. I was the 20%.

I remember them saying they had a treatment plan if it didn’t go away after this initial treatment. That’s when they would get into the stem cell transplant, but they did not think I would have to go there.

My ABVD chemo plan, early scan, and first remission

They originally said 12 treatments. I had the ABVD treatment combination, different types of chemo. It was 12 cycles, one treatment every two weeks. They said it would be about six months of chemo. I thought, “Okay, I can do six months.”

They do a scan after five treatments, before your sixth treatment. They told me everything looked good and that I could be done after eight treatments. I trusted them and was going to go with what they said, of course, but deep down, a little bit, I felt like I wasn’t done. It was weird. I remember feeling like this was almost too easy.

I didn’t get super sick. There was one treatment where I got a little nauseous afterwards, but for the most part it was just fatigue and a little bit of nausea, mainly from anxiety, but nothing too crazy. Not that it has to be terrible to “count,” but I just expected it to be a lot worse. A part of me felt like I wasn’t done, looking back on it.

I was done after eight treatments. My last treatment was on Valentine’s Day 2014. They said, “We’ll do a scan sometime in April.” It was the end of April or something like that. They said, “Give it two months and then make sure you’re good.”

Discovering a relapse: A new lump under my arm

I still tried to stay with the team and do what I could. I went to weightlifting one morning in early April. One of my friends on the team, who is now my sister-in-law, was there. We were very close at the time, and she later married my brother, which is kind of cute. I remember I was going to run with her around the track.

On the way there, I was feeling under my arm because it was sore. I had been throwing a lot more and trying to get back into it. I was feeling under my arm because it was sore, and I found a lump. I went back to the locker room and called my mom, obviously crying. That time, they did a needle biopsy. I don’t remember the exact timeline, but it was probably pretty fast. They did the needle biopsy, and sure enough, it was still Hodgkin.

I don’t know how that works, whether they didn’t get it all the first time or if my cancer was just aggressive and needed more to knock it out, more aggressive than they thought.

Second-line ICE chemotherapy and a Mayo Clinic second opinion

I started more chemo. I think I did three rounds of a therapy called ICE. These are just chemotherapy combinations. I was in the hospital for three days and two nights to do this chemo, and then I had a three-week break, so it was three weeks between cycles. I think I did two or three rounds of this.

During this time, my mom was very involved. She had E. coli really badly when I was in first grade and almost died. She went to Mayo Clinic and loves it. It’s very close to here, similar in distance to Iowa City, where I did all my treatment. She said, “We’re going to Mayo to get a second opinion, just to make sure you’re ready for a stem cell transplant,” because when it relapses, the plan of action would be a stem cell transplant.

We went up to Mayo. The hematologist looked through my chart and everything and said, “Yes, I would say you’re good to go for a stem cell transplant.” Thankfully, it was with my own stem cells. I didn’t have to have anybody else’s stem cells, and there’s less chance of rejection that way.

I had an autologous stem cell transplant in October 2014

We kind of put the transplant off briefly because we were getting this second opinion. We ended up being able to get in. It was one of those situations where they said, “We’ll let you know when you’re able to get in,” because there are so many people who need that floor for different reasons. I was able to do my stem cell transplant in October of 2014.

The stem cell transplant was pretty brutal. That was probably the worst part of all of it. It was two hours of chemo in the morning and two hours at night. They bottomed out my immune system. The side effects from that were by far the worst. I remember sleeping for days and having irregular GI symptoms, both ends, just very miserable. Thankfully, the worst part of that was only a few days. Then they gave me my stem cells back.

After that, it was recovery, making sure my blood counts were going back up and that sort of thing. I was able to get in and out of there in 19 days, and they said the minimum was three weeks, so that was pretty exciting.

Adjusting to life after transplant and immunocompromised recovery

After all that, all I wanted to do was be a normal 18‑year‑old, play softball, make friends, and get on with my life. But I knew that God was working in me and on me, and now I can do things like this and encourage other people.

After the stem cell transplant, I was immunocompromised, so I had to wear a mask everywhere. When the pandemic hit, masks were not new to me. I thought, “I’ve done this before.” My mom said, “We’re going to make these cute,” and she got me beads and jewels to put on them. She said, “We’re going to bedazzle your mask.” I had seven different ones I rotated through.

I couldn’t be around anybody who was sick, and they didn’t want me going out in public for about 90 days. My cousin, bless her heart, is my age, and we are very close. She stayed with me. At the time, she had jobs here and there, but nothing she was super committed to, so my mom paid her to stay with me so my mom could go back to work. I thought, this is perfect — my best friend is staying with me this whole time.

All we did was craft all day and watch movies. Looking back, I was so ready to get out because I’m definitely a busybody. I like my downtime, but this was a little too much downtime.

I finished my transplant at the end of October 2014, and my scan was in January, three months after my transplant. Everything was good at that scan. Since then, that first year, I think I’ve had a scan every three to four months, then it went to every six months, and now I just have once-a-year blood work. If anything is off with my blood work, then we look into things, but it’s also based on my symptoms. At this point in my life, I know my body very well, and if anything were off, I feel like I would know right away.

Losing my hair, shaving my head, and support from my brothers

I know I have that one picture of me and my brother, both of us bald. I did lose my hair from chemo. That was after all of my initial ABVD treatment. I let my hair just fall out at first. I remember praying, “Lord, you can make me as sick as you want, but please don’t let me lose my hair.” I was new in college, still getting to know people. I didn’t want to be known as the girl on the softball team who had cancer. I didn’t want to look sick.

I stayed in school part-time, I think about nine credits. They told me to keep my life as normal as possible. I could stay in the dorm when I wanted to, that sort of thing. They were all okay with that. I just didn’t want to look sick, so I let my hair fall out. It thinned out. Thankfully, it didn’t come out in chunks, but toward the end, it got so thin. It was so gross, and I should have just shaved it.

When we got the diagnosis that it was back, I said, “All right, let’s do it. Let’s shave it.” Both my brothers said, “Yeah, let’s go, we’re going to shave our heads too.” My mom said, “I’m going to shave my head.” I told her, “Mom, you’re not shaving your head. Stop it.”

I decided to get a wig so I could feel confident walking around. I feel like if that happened to me now, I would think, whatever. But as an 18‑ or 19‑year‑old, you have a lot of vanity in your hair. So I did end up shaving it after the rediagnosis.

Letting go of my softball identity

The hardest thing for me was letting go of my identity as a softball player and as a college student. You’re so excited to be on your own, to make your life, to figure out adulthood. 

The hardest thing was letting go of that and knowing it was not my time yet to move on from my old self. Hopefully that makes sense.

Returning to softball after transplant and choosing to quit

My sophomore year, I took the year off because I was still recovering. My sophomore year was when I had my stem cell transplant, in 2014, so I took that whole year off. I started practicing with the team again later. We didn’t do much for practice, but we did a lot of lifting in the mornings during the summer of 2015. I was doing some things on my own to get my strength back up.

Some girls stayed in Cedar Falls for the summer, and we got together and did sprints and lifting and things like that. I came back to play my junior year. After my junior year, I wondered, “Do I want to come back? Do I want to play?” I got a taste of life without softball and thought, “Maybe this isn’t too bad.”

I’m thankful for my cancer journey because it made me let go of my identity in softball and as a softball player. It made me root my identity in Christ. I’m more than a softball player.

I debated going back or not. I thought I would regret it if I didn’t try, so I said, “We’ll see how this season goes.” It was a long season. Maybe I should have listened to myself a little bit, but I would have regretted not trying. I went back to play, but I was very weak. I was slow; I wasn’t as strong as I had been. I had to give myself grace because I hadn’t even been out of my transplant for a year when I started playing again.

I did it, and after the fall season, I decided I was going to be done, but I stuck it out because I’m not a quitter. I thought, “I need to stick the year out, I can’t quit halfway through.” I thought, “Maybe it will get better this winter.” It didn’t. I thought, we’ll see how the season goes. The season happened, and my coaches were very surprised that I quit because I didn’t give any hints that I wasn’t happy or that I didn’t want to play anymore. They handled it very well. I caught them off guard, but they were happy for me, whatever my next steps were.

Mental health, anxiety, and staying positive through treatment

Mentally, I had my moments. I have always been a very positive person, especially during that time. I never really got mad or stayed sad or upset. I was always very positive, and I’m thankful for that because the Lord was definitely preparing me to be positive through this.

This is when my anxiety was diagnosed as well. I definitely had it in high school, mainly before games. I could feel that very anxious energy before volleyball games, softball games, whatever I was doing. Talking in front of people made me really nervous, and it still does, but it’s that adrenaline-type anxiety, plus generalized anxiety. This is when that really came out.

Mentally, the anxiety was very hard to manage. I was prescribed something for that, but eventually I learned how to manage my anxiety on my own. I had my moments of breaking down and crying, but it was never that I was hopelessly sad. I was never mad about the situation. I remember being upset that it happened at that point in my life, because all I wanted was to be a normal college student and play softball.

I don’t remember being depressed about it, thankfully. Through classes, you could tell I was going through something because I didn’t try very hard. I was just thankful to still be in my classes. My GPA wasn’t great, but I passed at least.

It was definitely a mental struggle, but that made me lean on the Lord more, because I knew it wasn’t going to last forever. It was only a season. My mom would tell me, “Pick out a few verses from the Bible and repeat them to yourself when you feel this way.” One of them was, “The Lord did not give me a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and a sound mind.” I would tell myself that over and over again when I couldn’t sleep or when I was sad about the situation.

It helped to know and to stay positive that it was only a season, and it was not going to last forever. I never really felt like I was going to die, thankfully, because they gave me a good prognosis, but that doesn’t take away from the battle that it was.

How Hodgkin lymphoma changed the way I see life

I definitely look at life differently now. Especially right when I was done with treatment, I looked at life very differently. The farther I get out, the harder it is to remind myself that it could be so much worse, and I feel like maybe that is normal.

At this point in my life, it was 12 years ago that I was diagnosed, so it feels like a lifetime ago. When things feel hard now, I tell myself, “I could be going through that again.” 

I’m thankful it happened at that point in my life and not now, when I’m a mom. I’m very thankful that it was that season, because when you’re 18, things feel really important that are not actually that important. I could have had children depending on me while going through this.

Becoming a nurse and learning to advocate for myself

I’m a nurse now, and my cancer journey is why I wanted to become a nurse. I’m not practicing in traditional medicine. I’m an aesthetic nurse, so it’s more about esthetics and feeling good in your skin. That was a big thing going through cancer. I did not feel good about anything with my appearance, so I know how important it is to feel good about yourself so you can show up better.

It doesn’t have to be vanity. If you feel good about your skin, you’re going to show up more confidently, and that can be a ripple effect. That’s a huge mission at the job where I work.

Being an advocate for yourself is so important. At the time, I didn’t know how to be. I didn’t know that was a thing. I didn’t have to go through medical decisions alone at 18, but as a nurse now and being more holistic-minded, if you feel dismissed by somebody or by your doctor, get a second opinion or go to somebody who will listen. It’s important because you know your body better than anybody else, so keep going to somebody until someone listens.

Advice for newly-diagnosed cancer patients and caregivers

For anyone watching, even if it’s not cancer that you’re going through, it’s important to stay positive and be an advocate for yourself. 

Things might not seem like they’re great, but it gets better. 

Even if it’s not cancer, stay positive, advocate for yourself, and remember that things can get better.

Clean living, fitness, and honoring my body after cancer

I have definitely seen a difference in how I eat and work out since my diagnosis. I always enjoyed working out, but it wasn’t until probably the last few years that I really thought, “Okay, what I put into my body matters too.”

I started my Naturally Kate page about a year and a half ago. It is about telling my cancer story. I want to get more into the advocating part, but also about taking control of your health, whether that is exercising, clean eating, or the products you put on your body. I talk a lot about those things and giving your body things that are going to benefit you.

Those are the things I talk about on my page. I also talk about relating fitness to being a Christian because as Christians, we are called to honor our temple, and one way we can do that is by treating it well with the products we put on our skin, how we eat, and how we exercise. I talk about all those things, and it’s very important to me.

I adapted a low-tox, nontoxic lifestyle. I remember thinking, “They put formaldehyde in this?” These different things made me think, how can they get away with putting those ingredients in our products? A lot of people don’t realize that, and I didn’t realize it before. I got into that shortly after my stem cell transplant, because during treatment, you don’t have any mental real estate for anything else.

Then I look back and think, “What did I just go through, and how can I make changes so that doesn’t return?” I always knew I wanted to be a mom, and I thought, “I can make these changes for my family as well.

Fertility preservation, egg freezing, and becoming a mom

Before my stem cell transplant, they finally said, “This could affect your fertility.” They told me that if I wanted, we could basically do the IVF process minus fertilizing the eggs. I had eggs frozen for a while, and that was a hard pill to swallow at 18 or 19.

I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life. I just always knew I wanted to be a mom. For that to maybe be taken away from me was very hard, because I thought, I have no idea what I want to do, but I know I want to be a mom. They only got three eggs out of that, which was hard, because usually they get a lot more, especially in an 18‑ or 19‑year‑old. The reason why is that I had already had chemo for five months before that, so my body wasn’t working like it should, even though I had the injections and all of that.

Thankfully, we didn’t have to use those eggs. That’s one of those things where you just don’t know until you’re in that stage of life where you’re trying to have children. Thankfully, the Lord has blessed us with two beautiful girls. We did not have to go the IVF route. We got pregnant naturally on our own, and I’m very thankful for that.

If anyone is going through something similar, keep hope. Don’t give up on your dreams. Even if it is the IVF route, it’s okay to go that route if that’s how you become a mom or a dad, because it’s 100% worth it. Looking back, that was something that was very hard, hearing, “We just don’t know until you try.”

We want more children, and hopefully, we are blessed with more. That was one of the hard mental parts at the time, thinking about my fertility when that wasn’t the stage of life I was in. You don’t want to have to think 10-plus years ahead, but you have to. At least there is science that can help us.


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Self-Advocacy Saved Sydney’s Life: Diagnosed with Stage 4 Colon Cancer

Self-Advocacy Saved Sydney’s Life: Diagnosed with Stage 4 Colon Cancer

Stage 4 colon cancer is a diagnosis that carries immense weight, especially when it comes at age 27. For Sydney, the path to discovering this reality began long before a doctor confirmed it. After years of dismissing chronic bloating and constipation as travel issues or normal digestive quirks, her symptoms escalated. Despite severe pain and an intuitive sense that something was wrong, she faced a barrier familiar to many young patients: being told she was too young for serious illness.

Interviewed by: Taylor Scheib
Edited by: Chris Sanchez

The turning point came when Sydney, desperate for answers and unable to get a referral, made a bold decision to advocate for herself by fabricating a specific symptom — blood in her stool — to secure an appointment. This critical move led to a colonoscopy that revealed a massive blockage, resulting in an immediate colon cancer diagnosis. What followed was a whirlwind of emergency surgery, an unexpected ileostomy, and a move to a new city, all while processing the shock of a life-altering disease during the height of the pandemic.

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Sydney’s experience has been defined not just by her diagnosis but by her resilience in navigating the medical system. After initially feeling written off by providers who offered no long-term hope, she sought multiple opinions and transferred her care to Siteman Cancer Center. There, she found a team that championed her quality of life, offering advanced procedures such as biomarker testing and various therapies. Today, Sydney balances ongoing treatment with her passions as a foodie and animal lover, finding strength in community and proving that a stage 4 colon cancer diagnosis does not mean the end of living fully.

Watch Sydney’s video and browse her edited transcript below to learn more.

  • Trust your intuition: When medical professionals dismissed her pain due to her age, she trusted her body’s signals enough to push for a screening, even when it required bending the rules to get in the door
  • The power of second opinions: Transitioning from a care team that told Sydney “we don’t know how to help you” to specialists at a research center opened new doors for treatment and renewed her hope
  • Quality over quantity: Her current care team prioritizes her ability to live a full life — traveling, eating well, and resting — rather than just focusing on aggressive treatment schedules at all costs
  • Community is vital: Finding specific patient groups, such as COLONTOWN and Fight Colorectal Cancer (Fight CRC), transformed Sydney’s experience from one of isolation to one of empowerment, connecting her with others who are walking the same path
  • Rest is productive: One universal truth she learned is that resting is not laziness; it is an active and essential part of the healing process that allows the body to recover from the trauma of treatment

  • Name: Sydney S.
  • Diagnosis:
    • Colon Cancer
  • Age at Diagnosis:
    • 27
  • Staging:
    • Stage 4
  • Symptoms:
    • Constant stomachaches that only went away after bowel movements
    • Pain after eating
    • Changes in bowel shape and size
  • Treatments:
    • Surgeries: colectomy, temporary ileostomy, ileostomy reversal
    • Chemotherapy: FOLFOX, FOLFIRI, trifluridine and tipiracil
    • Monoclonal antibody: bevacizumab
    • Radiation therapy
    • Hormone therapy
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This interview has been edited for clarity and length. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider to make informed treatment decisions.

The views and opinions expressed in this interview do not necessarily reflect those of The Patient Story.



My name is Sydney

I am 32 now. I was diagnosed when I was 27, on September 28th of 2020, with stage 4 colorectal cancer. I’m from St. Louis. Well, actually, I’m originally from Arkansas, but right now I live in St. Louis.

I work in a cat cafe on my off weeks. I absolutely love animals and helping them. We get the cats adopted. I have two cats and a pit bull of my own right now. I love anything creative. Before I was diagnosed, I did a lot of professional theater work. I really like acting on stage, but I haven’t done that in a while.

I love Disney. I did the Disney College program in 2013, and so the obsession grew from that. I love food. My husband and I are really big foodies, so it’s really cool that we live in St. Louis because it has really great restaurants.

My early symptoms

I would always get what I thought was travel constipation because anytime we would travel, I could never go. Who knows when the cancer or a polyp started forming, but I remember always having trouble with constipation and bloating. Growing up, I never thought that there was an issue. It was just a normal thing because it would always work itself out.

Then, around the time my husband and I got married in 2018, things started getting worse. I was in pain more often. I thought I had IBS, and the doctors would just tell me, “No, you’re fine. All your labs look good. You’re too young for anything.”

In 2019, we went on a first anniversary trip to Riviera Maya. It was so bad. I was trying to read all these drug labels, and I was like, “I don’t know what this means, but I need something to help me get this out.” I think that maybe when the blockage started growing. I tried elimination diets, gluten-free, dairy-free, just to see if maybe it was the diet, because I used to do CrossFit four times a week. I would do spin classes. I love a sweet treat and a good burger, but I was eating pretty healthy. Every doctor would just be like, “You’re too young.” So I just never thought cancer would ever be the thing.

My path to diagnosis: advocating for care

Mid-summer in 2020, I was bent over at work in so much pain. I would only be relieved if I tried to go to the restroom, but after I ate, I was just always in so much pain. I finally called a gastroenterologist in Arkansas because I was still living there, and they wouldn’t see me just from the symptoms that I was telling them. They were like, “Well, you don’t have a referral.”

Then this thought came into my head. People always say, if there’s blood in your stool, they’ll see you hopefully. So I was like, “Oh, there’s blood in my stool,” even though I had never seen any. I lied, and she was like, “Okay, we can get you in.” I went in for my colonoscopy and endoscopy. I woke up in the middle of my colonoscopy because I heard them say “cancer.” They could not even get a foot inside my colon. Then they sent me straight for scans and surgery and everything from there.

I was just like, “I can’t be the one to figure out what’s wrong with me, right?” I have no experience in the health field, and people just continuously told me, “You’re too young, you’re fine.” I’m like, “I know something’s wrong inside my body.” For a little bit, you almost feel kind of crazy, or you just have these breakdowns of, “Is anyone going to believe me?” Thank God for that gastroenterologist for being like, “Okay, we can take you.” Even though I did have to lie because I was only 27 and didn’t have a referral, because my doctor at the time was like, “You’re too young.”

Receiving the colon cancer diagnosis and emergency surgery

It was 2020, the peak of the pandemic, so my husband was not allowed to come in with me. But I knew because, waking up after the colonoscopy, I didn’t remember them saying “cancer” at that moment. I just knew something was up whenever the doctor was like, “Okay, your husband’s going to come sit down in this room with us.” I was like, “Okay, well, that’s not a good sign.”

He was just like, “I’m 99.9% sure you have colon cancer… whether it’s cancer or not, you either way have a huge blockage that needs to be removed.” He said, “You cannot eat. You have to have smoothies and drink until your surgery because the blockage is so bad.”

On that weekend, I had a colonoscopy, and they scheduled surgery, but we had already scheduled to move to St. Louis. 2020 was a crazy year. So we move over that weekend, and I have to be back that Monday for surgery. But we had moved so much that I was like, “I need to eat, I have to eat something.” So I ate a little bit and was in pain. Then the prep for the surgery did not work. Nothing came out. On the way to the hospital, I’m crying because I’m like, “They’re not going to do the surgery because nothing came out.” But then I’m also trying not to throw up.

They did the surgery, and I woke up with an ileostomy that I did not know I was going to get because the prep did not work. They had to let my bowels rest. But I got it reversed after a little over a year.

Coping with the initial shock and chaos

I don’t really know how to describe it other than I was just like, “Okay, that’s what they told me to do. So that’s what’s going to happen.” I know nothing of this world. I had only known family members or friends who had cancer. I’ve never experienced it myself. I was like, “Well, these are the professionals, so I’ll just listen to what they do.”

Sticking to the matter-of-fact things was the only way that I was able to grasp what was going on. Even five years into it now, people still give you all of this advice, “You should try this,” or “Have you looked into this?” Or people would always ask, “Do you have an update?” or “What did your doctor say?” It’s just all the constant questions. For the first two years, I was just telling anyone, “If you have advice for me or if you have a question, please don’t, because I do not have the capacity to deal with that when I’m dealing with all these new things that have been thrown at me.”

I just pretty much stayed like, “This is what’s happening, and this is what I have to do. So this is what I’m going to do 100%.”

When we were sitting in that room, not when it was confirmed, but in the room after the colonoscopy with the doctor saying, “I’m 99% sure,” I was also still a little bit high from the anesthesia. I was just sitting there, and my husband was trying to comfort me, but he’s freaking out. He’s like, “How is she not freaking out?” I think I just froze. I just remember he was rubbing my back so hard. I was like, “Okay, that’s enough.” He was like, “I’m sorry, I’m just — how are you not freaking out right now?” I was like, “I think I’m just literally in shock. I’m a little frozen right now.”

When I woke up after surgery with the ileostomy, the doctor told me it was only stage 3B at that point. But then, when I got to St. Louis, and we did scans again, it was stage IV. I have never had a doctor give me a timeline or anything or tell me that I’m incurable. So that was very helpful. But I have had doctors tell me, “We don’t know how to help you anymore.” So that can be discouraging. To be told, “Hey, we don’t know how to help you anymore, you need to go elsewherer” was like, “No, what do I do now?”

Finding the right care team and second opinions

When we first moved to St. Louis, it was a year after being kicked off my parents’ insurance. My husband and I were trying to find insurance and then find a hospital that would take it. I started treatment at St. Louis University (SLU), and I had my first oncologist for one year, but she moved back to Texas to be with her family.

I applied for disability because I couldn’t work through treatment, especially Folfox or Folfiri, the heavy treatment. My husband’s a barber, so basically self-employed. I applied for disability, and I got it. I didn’t know that after two years, you get put on Medicare if you’ve been on disability for two years. So when I was able to be put on Medicare — which there was a whole awfulness about because I was on Medicare for eight months without knowing it and still paying for regular insurance — I was able to move to Siteman Cancer Center.

Being at Siteman has rejuvenated my hope – 100%. 

Now, just always kind of telling myself, “It may happen, but I’m not going to die from this.” I believe that I will reach no evidence of disease, and then I will see it for five years, and they will tell me that I’m cancer-free. That’s what I believe. Of course, there are hard days, but really, it’s just what I keep telling myself. My husband likes to say I’m a little witchy, but I do my little manifestations, write in my journal, and put it under my pillow.

A look at my treatment

Initially, I did 12 rounds of FOLFOX. We waited because I was clear after the 12 rounds of Folfox. We waited for scans for two to three months. While scans were clear, bloodwork wasn’t. My doctor at the time said, “Well, we need to be aggressive.” So I started on 12 rounds of FOLFIRI.

After my first 12 rounds of FOLFOX, I did six rounds of radiation, three on this side of my lungs and three on this side. Then the blood work came back bad, and so then I did the FOLFIRI for 12 rounds, and then they put me on capecitabine, which is a chemo pill. That’s when they told me, “We can’t help you anymore. I don’t know what to do.”

So I went to Moffitt in Tampa to get a second opinion because they would take my insurance at the time. He was like, “No, I’d put you on trifluridine/tipiracil. You do have more options.” So we switched to that drug. I was on it for well over two years. It would be stable, then a little progression, and then go back down to stable.

Then I had a new spot show up in my liver, maybe in September or October of 2025. Now I’m on FOLFIRI again, but I’m at a low dosage, so it’s not as bad as the first time, but I am starting to experience a lot of the things — obviously, my hair is falling out again. My eyebrows are gone. Gotta draw them on. But that’s what makeup’s for.

I have two spots for sure on my liver, which significantly shrunk on scans after being on FOLFIRI. One almost went down a whole centimeter, or maybe it was cut in half. And then I have one that we’re not sure what it is on my liver. It’s not been confirmed. Then, on my lungs, I have numerous spots, too many for surgery.

Managing my colon cancer treatments and side effects

I have been on the schedule every other Tuesday for three years now. I’m on bevacizumab right now with FOLFIRI. So I go in, get labs drawn. They check my CEA every time. But I also have to do a urine sample to see if there’s protein in my urine from the bevacizumab. Unfortunately for me, I’ve been on bevacizumab for three years straight now, so my levels keep going up. I do have a kidney specialist who keeps track of it. We had to pause the bevacizumab on Tuesday because I had such high protein.

I am sent home on a 46-hour pump with my port right here. It’s affecting my vocal cords; my voice always goes out on these three days of treatment. Obviously, I get digestive issues, appetite, and fatigue, all of the things. But once I get unplugged on Thursday, I’m usually slowly coming out of that chemo fog. By about Friday night, I’m okay again. I tell my husband, “I’m sorry I was so lazy today.” And he’s like, “You’re not being lazy. What are you talking about? You’re on chemo.”

Maintaining quality of life during colon cancer treatment

My husband and I are both foodies, and so when I do have an appetite, I’m like, “Okay, we have to go find a good restaurant, or I need a good breakfast.” We also really love music. So we go to shows often, and we used to go to Music Fest all the time. We slowed down on the Music Fest, though, just because there are so many people and it’s a lot for a whole weekend. If the venue doesn’t have a chair, then I’m usually out.

I spend time with my pets, working at the cat cafe, my friends, and my family. We travel home to Arkansas pretty often. Especially with being at Siteman now, they are very much into the quality over quantity. My doctor told me, “If you want to take a trip and you want to pause for a week, we can pause for a week.” He was like, “I would rather you go live your life than just constantly be on treatment and not doing anything fun.”

How to support someone with cancer

When I got diagnosed, people didn’t really know what to say. How do you tell someone, especially after you get a stage 4 diagnosis — people hear that, and they think “terminal.” No shade to my sister, but she didn’t know how to handle it. She told my young nephew when I was getting treatments that I was going to get my nails done. I was like, “I mean, I wish.”

People really don’t know what to say, what to do. It can be really isolating. But I would tell people that it is going to be okay. There’s going to be a lot of hard times. But you find that if you can find community, especially in your specific cancer — like I found Fight CRC, then Colon Town — and I’ve met so many people who are going through the same thing as me.

You just have to find someone to champion you. My husband and my parents have learned so much. It’s night and day from when I got diagnosed to how people support me now. I do think cancer patients also need to let people know how to maybe readjust the speech. Maybe don’t tell me, “My grandma died from cancer,” as soon as I tell you I have cancer. Maybe don’t say those things.

I found The Patient Story on Instagram. There’s a colorectal cancer patient right now who has been given only a certain amount of time to live. But she said, “You know, as long as I can tell my story, and it saves one person’s life…”

The importance of hope and doctor-patient communication

I am so grateful that no doctor has ever told me my prognosis. No one’s ever called it terminal for me. My first oncologist would let me break down in front of her, and she would just put her hand on my back, and she’d be like, “Sydney, you’re going to be okay. We have these treatments, and yes, they’re difficult, but we have so much proof behind the first treatment that I did that it can be successful for you.” She would always point that out to me.

Being at Siteman, they’ll sit down and explain everything to me. I got pushed into menopause from chemo, and they sent me to a woman specialist who’s in the hospital. If something else is wrong, they’ll send me to this specialist. They just really, really care. Having a doctor who, while they have so many patients, can be so personable and say, “We care about you as an individual and not just another number,” has really helped.

My final advice: finding community and moments of joy

I don’t want to be cliché and be like, “Don’t give up,” but don’t give up. You can do it. I know people speak about how they don’t want to be called a warrior. I’m tired of people telling me that I’m brave because what other option did I have? But I mean it. We are fighting.

Take the time to rest. Don’t think you are lazy for resting, because resting is how you’re going to heal. Do the things that make you happy. You have to find those moments of joy, even in the heartache of everything. Find a community 100%.

I have friends all over the world, and I’ve only maybe met them through social media or maybe once in DC, and I know that I can message them and be like, “Hey, I need to have a breakdown, and I don’t want to put that on my husband right now. Can I please break down to you?” Find community.

It’s hard, but you can do it. If you decide one day, “I’m tired of treatment,” that’s your decision. And I fully support that as well.

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“One Scan Saved My Life:” Shira’s Surprising Diagnosis With EGFR+ Lung Cancer

“One Scan Saved My Life:” Shira’s Surprising Diagnosis With EGFR+ Lung Cancer

Shira was the picture of health. She is a lifelong athlete, a mother of four, and a dedicated runner who logged miles effortlessly. She is also a nonsmoker and had no family history of lung disease, making her eventual EGFR-positive lung cancer diagnosis a complete shock. Her experience began not with symptoms, but with a preventative full-body MRI her husband encouraged her to take. While the scan was intended to offer peace of mind, it instead revealed a “minor” finding on her lung. Because MRIs are not typically used for lung evaluation, the finding was initially dismissed, but Shira’s intuition and the nudge of a family loss pushed her to investigate further.

Interviewed by: Taylor Scheib
Edited by: Chris Sanchez

Leveraging her connections in the healthcare industry, Shira consulted Dr. Kim Sandler at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, who immediately recognized the concern. Within a whirlwind week, Shira went from a six-mile run to a diagnostic CT, a bronchoscopy, and finally, a confirmation of adenocarcinoma. The tumor was “on fire” — fast-growing but fortunately contained. She underwent surgery to remove the mass just days later, bypassing chemotherapy and radiation due to the early detection.

Shira B. lung cancer

Now cancer-free, Shira’s relief has transformed into a powerful advocacy mission. She realized that current screening guidelines miss a vast number of non-smokers like her, leaving them vulnerable until it is often too late. Through her book and non-profit work, she is fighting to change the narrative around EGFR-positive lung cancer and lung cancer in general, dismantling the stigma that it is a “deserved” disease, and pushing for standard CT screenings at age 40, alongside mammograms, to save more lives.

Find out more about Shira’s story by watching her video and reading the edited transcript from her interview.

  • Cancer doesn’t care about lifestyle. Shira’s story illustrates a universal truth: you can eat right, exercise, and never smoke, but if you have lungs, you can get lung cancer. The disease does not discriminate based on how “healthy” you appear
  • Trust your instincts over “minor” findings. Even when a scan result is labeled “minor” or incidental, following up with a specialist, specifically a pulmonologist or thoracic expert, can be the difference between stage 1 and stage 4
  • Advocate for better screening. Current guidelines often exclude non-smokers, yet many newly diagnosed patients don’t fit the criteria
  • Requesting CT scans. Shira urges patients to ask their doctors about CT scans, even if they have to pay out of pocket or push for insurance coverage
  • The power of “scanxiety“: The emotional toll of survivorship doesn’t end with remission. Shira candidly shares the reality of “scanxiety” — the intense fear before check-ups — and how she manages it by stacking appointments to minimize the days she spends worrying
  • Transformation into advocacy. Shira turned her traumatic week of diagnosis into a lifelong purpose, shifting from a private person to a vocal advocate working to change national health policies and lower the cost of life-saving scans

  • Name: Shira B.
  • Age of Diagnosis:
    • 43
  • Diagnosis:
    • Non-Small Cell Lung Cancer (NSCLC)
  • Staging:
    • Stage 1B
  • Mutation:
    • EGFR exon 20 insertion
  • Symptoms:
    • None per se; discovered during a preventative full-body MRI
  • Treatment:
    • Surgery (thoracotomy)
Shira B. lung cancer
Shira B. lung cancer
Shira B. lung cancer
Shira B. lung cancer
Shira B. lung cancer

This interview has been edited for clarity and length. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider to make informed treatment decisions.

The views and opinions expressed in this interview do not necessarily reflect those of The Patient Story.



Who I am

My name is Shira. I live in Nashville, Tennessee, and I am a lung cancer survivor. I was diagnosed in October of 2025, and I have been cancer-free for three months.

I grew up in Santa Barbara, California, and both my parents are doctors. My dad is actually a lung specialist, which is quite ironic in this whole process. My two brothers are orthopedic surgeons, still in Santa Barbara. My husband and I met in San Francisco, and we have four children. Our oldest is a freshman in high school. I have boy-girl twins, and they lived in seven states before they turned ten, so we moved a lot. They were born in New York, my third was born in San Diego, and my fourth was born in Newport Beach. Then we lived in New Orleans, Washington, D.C., and Montana. Now we live in Tennessee.

I am grateful and hopeful that I am done moving for a little while. Nashville has been great. I have two in high school, one in middle school, and one in lower school, and they are all together at the same coed, non-denominational school on the Vanderbilt campus. It is one drop-off every morning, and I love it. I load them up in the minivan and take them all to school, and the afternoons are insane, running around between all their sports and activities, but it is fun.

Running through an EGFR-positive lung cancer diagnosis

Since I was young, I played sports just like my kids are doing. I always loved running. My dad loves to run too, and one of my brothers loves to run; it is something we have always done. I think it is important, and it is fun because you can do it anywhere you are. Wherever you are traveling for work or for fun, you can always go for a run. It is harder to find a group of nine other people to play a pickup basketball game, but you can always go for a run.

I grew up running and playing a lot of sports. Basketball was my big sport in high school. Even though I am towering at 5’5″, I figured out how to be scrappy enough at point guard. I just love to run. That is my mental health outlet and my saving grace. It is what I do when I am the most stressed out and the most anxious about anything — I go for a run.

When I ended up with EGFR-positive lung cancer, I just kept telling them, “Wrong person, I just ran, I just ran.” I think it is fascinating that I literally went for a six-mile run the morning of my scan. I was the person who showed up at the scan kind of sweaty, and I was like, “Sorry, I’m sweaty. I just ran six miles.” When I went in and had my pulmonary function test after they found the cancer, the surgeon came in and said, “I’ve never seen someone with such strong lung capacity. You are right that you are a runner and that your lungs seem to be operating.” They had compensated for the cancer and taken over, and I was still running. I am still running now. I took off two months and started running again, and I am back to running my six-mile loop with my girlfriend in the mornings.

The decision to get a full-body MRI

My parents are both doctors, my brothers are doctors, my grandfather is a doctor, and my father-in-law is a doctor. We have all been in the medical community forever. I even studied molecular and cell biology in undergrad, so it has always been interesting, and we have always paid attention to it. My husband runs a healthcare investment firm now, and he worked in the government running innovation for Medicare and Medicaid, too.

For example, when 23andMe first came out, we were quick to buy the kits, spit in them, and learn more. We both had our full genomes sequenced about five years ago because we found it interesting. When the Grail Galleri blood test came out for cancer detection, we were doing it every year because we found it interesting. When these full-body scans came out, he ran in to do it, and I didn’t because I am claustrophobic. I have to do a breast MRI every year because my mother is a breast cancer survivor, and I have to wrap my head around that mentally for days before. I sometimes get a Valium pill, and I just hold it in my fingers really tight, hoping for osmosis because I don’t actually want to take the medication. I am really active, and I eat healthy, and I am not somebody who takes medicine, so I don’t want to take it.

I hold it up, and I know that it is just a mental block because no one else runs out of oxygen in the tube, but I have that. I think it is combined with the anxiety of my mom going through breast cancer and going with her for these mammograms and MRIs. When I get into the machine, I completely panic. When he started getting these scans, I rolled my eyes and didn’t want to do them. I would get my blood work done and do the other things.

When we were in New York over the summer, he pushed me again and again to get the scan, and I canceled the appointment again and again. Ultimately, I went for a run, went and got the scan, and held the Valium between my fingers in a total panic for 45 minutes. I know that they are open on both ends now, and I know that they will pump in music, or you can watch a TV show or a movie. It doesn’t matter. My eyes are clenched shut, the Valium is between my two fingers because I don’t want to ruin my day, and I try to sing to myself over and over again to get through it. “That is ultimately the scan that saved my life and found it.”

Full body MRI findings: A “minor” spot on the lung

The scan I got was called Prenuvo. I have worked with them a lot over the last couple of months. What was interesting about it, and what I have learned through this process, is that when you look at somebody’s lungs, an MRI is not as good. An MRI is better for your liver, your kidney, and the bigger organs, your brain, but for your lungs, because your lungs are mostly air, it is not as good.

When the scan came back, it actually found a mass in my lungs, but it said that if I was not symptomatic, I didn’t really worry about it. It is a minor finding. I was not symptomatic. As I said, I was running, and it kind of dismissed it a little. I don’t want to blame them for that. I think there is a missed opportunity because an MRI isn’t great for the lungs, which is something I learned later. When I shared the scan with my dad, who is a lung doctor, he said, “The lungs aren’t… that’s not how we look at lungs. We really use a chest CT.” He said, “You should follow up with that in a couple of months.” To be honest, I kind of put it on the back burner. There was nothing else significant in my scan, and it was considered a minor finding.

I credit a lot — my aunt was sick and dying of stomach cancer, and she and I were very close. She passed away at the end of August. It was after that that I thought more about the scan. I don’t know if she went up there and nudged me a little bit. Ultimately, I went at the very end of September and had a chest CT. I asked for the CD like old school from the doctor, and I took it and actually gave it to a girlfriend of mine. Dr. Kim Sandler is a lung cancer radiology specialist here in Nashville at Vanderbilt. She and I met about four and a half years ago. Her kids go to the same school as mine, but we are all friends, though our kids don’t really overlap.

I continue to keep in contact with her. She is a powerhouse in the lung cancer screening world. We would have sushi once or twice a month, and she would share with me all of her research. She gets to travel all over the world and speak about lung cancer, which is really cool. She would say, “I’m going to Spain and London,” and we would pick out our outfits and discuss what she was talking about. I would read her slides, and we just became friends.

From MRI to diagnosis: Advocating for a chest CT

When I got the CD, I took it to her husband because she is working in the hospital all the time, and he brought it to her. She looked at it on a Saturday night and called me. I learned later that she knew instantly that it was likely lung cancer. She called one of her favorite pulmonologists. She booked me an appointment. She booked me a diagnostic CT scan, which, instead of looking at the tumor with five-millimeter slices, does a one-millimeter spiral slice. She even booked an O.R. room for a bronchoscopy for the next day, but didn’t tell me. She just called and said, “Hey, I’m looking at it. I want you to redo the scan. I want you to meet the pulmonologist. And where is your husband?”

She called him, and she shared more with him than she did with me, and told him to get home immediately. That was a Saturday night.

He flew home on Sunday. I went for my six-mile run on Monday morning. I went and had the spiral CT at Vanderbilt, and then I drove to the pulmonary specialist’s office. Kim called me and said, “My partner read your scan.” I said, “Okay.” And she said, “Where’s Adam?” I said, “He just landed. He’s on his way to the hospital.” She said, “Okay,” and hung up. I think she couldn’t be the one to say it without someone there with me. My husband has a knack for timing. He is always late to everything, but he shows up just in the nick of time. I went through and had the blood pressure, height, weight, and all the prep. I was sitting in the room by myself, and as the pulmonary specialist walked in, he walked in. That is when they said they thought I had lung cancer and that they had booked me a bronchoscopy for the next day. They would put me out, put me on a ventilator, and take a piece of the tumor to test it.

That was kind of the beginning. We told the kids that night. Tuesday, I had my bronchoscopy. When I woke up from the bronch, I even told the pulmonologist, “Wrong person, right? Wrong scan. I don’t have lung cancer. I’m a runner. Is this malpractice?” He just looked at me and said, “No, Shira, you have lung cancer.” Which is still hard for me to believe, to be honest.

Ultimately, on Wednesday, the lab work came back, and it said adenocarcinoma. Thursday, I met a surgeon and did my pulmonary function test, at which point he was like, “They look perfect.” Then Friday, I went in for a PET scan. Actually, my friend Kim’s dad is the nuclear medicine doctor at Vanderbilt. He did my PET scan, and he was awesome. He came in right away and just said, “Look, it’s on fire. I don’t see any lymph nodes. I don’t think it’s spread beyond your lungs, but you need to get it out.” That is the first time that I think I panicked the most. I went straight to my husband, and I was like, “You’re a bulldozer. I need this out. I want it out on Monday. I don’t want to wait anymore.” Even the nuclear medicine doctor said, “You need it out. It’s on fire.” Meaning it appears to be fast-growing. “We don’t see it in your lymph nodes. You have got to get it out as soon as possible.”

Surgery and recovery: “Cancer doesn’t care”

They took it out first thing Monday morning. That was in October. It feels crazy because I only knew that I had EGFR-positive lung cancer for a week, which I think is an insanely short amount of time for people who go through this. I am really lucky, and I think a lot of that is because we are in the healthcare industry. What are the chances that the girl I have sushi with two days a month is also the premier lung cancer radiologist, and her dad is in charge of nuclear medicine? All these things worked out. I say it was meant to be, and it kind of all worked out.

I also think, and I know how lucky I am, that not only are we tied into the healthcare industry, but I could also afford these scans. I know they are not affordable, and that is something I am really working on. After that week, I had it out and was in the hospital for a few days with the terrible chest tube, and then came home. I started doing more research because I wasn’t allowed to run for a couple of weeks, and I had to sit and lie and relax for a little bit.

It was during that research that I really learned that I am not unique in all of this, and that it is not rare. That is when I started to kind of panic. That is why I wrote a book, started social media, and did things like that this month. What I realized was, number one, cancer does not care. It doesn’t matter if you have connections in healthcare and this and that, but if we can scan people earlier, it is just a better outcome later. For example, mammograms — now we all get mammograms at 40. People are still dying from breast cancer, but a lot fewer people because we are catching it a lot sooner. Same thing with the colonoscopy; they just moved it from 50 to 45. It is terrible to go through breast cancer, and it is terrible to go through colon cancer, but we are catching it where we can treat it, and we can survive it.

That is what I realized with lung cancer. In order to be scanned, you have to meet the criteria that are recommended in the guidelines. The guideline criteria is you have to smoke a pack a day for 20 years and be over 55. What I found in my research was that actually less than 30% of people being diagnosed with lung cancer right now qualify for the scan, which means that on the other side, “70% of us, including me, don’t qualify for the scan but are getting lung cancer.” We need to expand that. I was lucky enough that I could pay for it myself, but it is not affordable.

What I started realizing when I was doing all this research was that I was not unique. I was not special. This is everywhere, and people aren’t catching it. What I had a hard time with, which is how I found The Patient Story a little bit, was that I couldn’t find any peers who were lung cancer survivors. It was very difficult to find them because most people catch their lung cancer once it is hip pain, and then the cancer is in their bones and in their brain. That is when I realized I wasn’t unique that I had lung cancer, but I was unique that it was big enough to show up on an MRI, big enough to show up on a CT, and small enough that I could just surgically remove it. I don’t need chemo or radiation. I am not taking any targeted therapies or immunotherapies. They are like, “Okay, we’ll just monitor you. You’re done.” That is the best-case scenario.

I found out today, actually — I started crying at my dentist appointment because I got my teeth cleaned — but my oncologist texted me that my tumor from my surgery just got back, and it was categorized as a low risk of recurrence. I was so glad because that was the last piece of this three-month process of data that I needed. If it were high-risk, they were going to maybe recommend four months of chemo, which I can handle, and I can go through.

The reason I think I was more hesitant about doing the chemo is that to my kids, though they know I had cancer and that I am a lung cancer survivor, they sometimes say, “Well, you didn’t really have real cancer, mom.” I don’t think that is because I didn’t have real cancer, but when they think of somebody with cancer, they think of bald, sick, and tired. I was able to bounce back from surgery, and I am running again, and I didn’t lose my hair. I think it has helped our family and the kids. I don’t think we had that same difficult period that most cancer survivors go through. I feel really lucky. The only reason is that I caught it early. That is the only reason, because cancer doesn’t care. It could have been anyone and everyone. Now I get monitored and checked. My first follow-up check is on Friday. So tomorrow I get my next scan.

Breaking the news to my family and kids

It is interesting; what I found in this whole process is that I am an oversharer, and I tell everyone everything. I have met several lung cancer survivors who don’t want people to know that they are lung cancer survivors and don’t want to talk about it. One didn’t share it with her children. One shared it with her family, but has requested that it never be shared with anyone else. A third shared it with their family but keeps it quiet from the rest of the world. Some of these people are pretty high-profile people who I think would help the lung cancer awareness community. One of them ended up sharing it with her family and friends after we spoke, and she felt like, “I needed you to give me that inspiration to share.”

I think part of it is because when you do share — or for me, with lung cancer — the narrative around it is so negative that it is really fatiguing and hard to hear. When I shared it at first with people that I work with every day — they have known me for four and a half years — their responses were things like, “Oh, I didn’t realize you smoked.” That is really hurtful. I was like, “I’m sorry, you know me so well. Do I even drink alcohol?” And they are like, “No, not really, occasional drink twice a month.” And I am like, “Yes. But you think I’m smoking a pack a day and hiding it from you?” They are like, “Yeah, I guess I’ve never smelled it or noticed it, but you have lung cancer.” I said, “Well, fair, but I’m not a smoker.”

I think that is really hard. It is very fatiguing when people say that, or they say, “Oh, but you’re so healthy, is it that you use a lot of dry shampoo? Oh, is it hairspray? Oh, do you cook a lot in bad cooking oils?” What I found myself doing was defending my behavior. Really, I exercise, I run, I eat healthy, I go for the fridge, not the pantry. I try to do all the things we have been taught to do. What I realized in this whole process is that everyone is protecting themselves. They want to say, “Oh, I don’t smoke, therefore I won’t get lung cancer,” or “I don’t use dry shampoo or hairspray,” and therefore they are protected. It is them protecting themselves, not projecting their negative feelings onto you.

I started realizing that we need to change the whole narrative about lung cancer because people should get their lungs checked. If you have lungs, you can have lung cancer. I never thought to myself when a friend had breast cancer, “Oh, you deserve that,” or “You probably did that to yourself.” What I found with lung cancer is that I have had people tell me that it is a lifestyle choice, that it is a deserved disease, and it is not. It wasn’t my lifestyle choice, and it wasn’t a deserved disease.

When I first told my family that Monday, when they told me it was likely that I had lung cancer, I actually had my husband pick the kids up from school, which was his first time. When the kids came home, and I was sitting on the couch, they walked in, and they said, “Are you guys getting divorced?” We were like, “What? No.” Then they said, “Does mom have cancer?” I was planning on not using the C-word, easing into it. My husband and I froze. We were like, “Why would you say that?” And they said, “Well, Dad’s never picked us up from school before.”

We sat down and walked through that. They found a spot on my lung, and I was having a bronchoscopy. They don’t know what it is. It could be fungal, it could be scar tissue, it could be this or that. My son said, “Well, what is the chance that it’s cancer?” I think he thought we would say like 0.1%. I said 90%. Then they kind of all started laughing. I think it was just a shock that it was like 90% vs 0.1%. Then my youngest started crying. She got scared. We had to calm it down. But it was crazy to hear a laugh at first.

When we told my parents and my in-laws, since they are doctors, it was much more medical. “We want to understand this or understand that.” Even now, I just spoke to my dad in tears after the dentist that my tumor was low risk for recurrence, and he was like, “Well, what did they look at? Did they look at the bronch? Did they look at the tumor from the surgery? What is the metric that they used?” They get very technical.

When we found out it was adenocarcinoma that Wednesday, I was pretty upset. I think that is when reality hit, and it was very scary. That was a Wednesday. On Thursday, it was actually Yom Kippur, and I was hosting 75 people at my house for breakfast. The kids had no school. We went to the temple in the morning, and then I had to leave early because I had to go see the surgeon. I was trying to keep some sense of normalcy with the kids. I would try to make my appointments after I dropped them off at school and picked them up. I was trying to show them that everything was okay.

I walked into the temple, and a bunch of the families we know were kind of walking at the same time. They were like, “Oh, we’re excited for breakfast. Can we bring anything?” I was like, “No.” They were like, “Are you okay?” My hair was in a bun, I hadn’t slept, I had been crying a lot, and I just looked at them and went, “I have lung cancer.” I just blurted it out because I am an oversharer. They froze. My husband is like, “Well, that’s one way to tell people.” They were like, “Well, we’re canceling breakfast.” I was like, “No. Normalcy. I did it last year, I did it the year before, I’m doing it this year.” For me, that is therapy too. So I had 75 friends over. The kids played basketball. We ate bagels, lox, and cream cheese. A lot of the people who came are doctors, so they knew I was going in for surgery. They visited me in the hospital. They were really supportive.

Processing the shock: anger, denial, and gratitude

I still sometimes don’t believe it. I have moments. I cried a lot at first. Then I just needed to fix it and get it out immediately. You get into lockdown mode: protect the children, get it out. Even to this day, I was on the phone with a girlfriend of mine. Her husband is an oncologist, and I didn’t know he was in the background on the call. I called her, and I said, “I think they messed up. I don’t have lung cancer.” She said, “Why do you say that?” I said, “I don’t know. It feels like a bad dream, like that crazy week. And I’m back to running and skiing and going to altitude, and I just feel like they messed up.” Her husband piped up in the background, “Nope, nope. I saw the lab work. You had cancer.”

I think there are moments of denial. Then there are moments where, to be honest, I totally lose it. That happened recently. I lay down in the middle of the hall and started crying because I just felt like I tried to do everything right. I tried to exercise, eat right, and live a balanced life, and spend the time I can with the kids and with my family. Then this happens, and you just think, “What did I do wrong?” As I have done all this research, I have realized that lung cancer research and medicine are actually really far behind other cancers. It is because it was considered a deserved disease and a lifestyle choice. I get very angry about it because I feel like that is not fair. There are other lifestyle choices, and we have medicine for them. I work really hard to make the right choices.

I have moments of being angry, and then I have moments where I am really grateful. I always tell people sometimes, “I’m so lucky, right? That I caught it so early, and then I’m cancer-free now.” It is also really unlucky to have lung cancer. As cancers go, it is not really the best one to get. But I am lucky I got it early.

Advocacy: Pushing for lung scans at age 40

I am really focused on advocacy work and awareness. I am trying to change the narrative for EGFR-positive lung cancer and lung cancer in general, and I am trying to push to get a CT scan like a mammogram. I have really thrown a lot of energy into that. I have a book coming out called One Scan Saved My Life. It is not just my story of the week of cancer, but it is also where our government sits with scans and our healthcare system, and how we can be more proactive and work on being more preventative in our own care. It is a call to action to say we need to get people scanned at 40.

I am trying to enjoy the little things with the kids more, too, because I think sometimes it is all this go-go-go life. You need to stop and say, “Okay, let me just sit and read a book with you.” Every time I get a result, like the tumor today, it brings tears to my eyes. On the other side of it, tomorrow is my big scan. People talk about “scanxiety” — scan anxiety. I am conscious of it, and I try to think about that all the time and pretend that it doesn’t affect me, but it totally affects me.

I think about every little thing. This week, on Tuesday, I was at the breast center because I am now at a higher risk for breast cancer and other cancers. A lot of people don’t realize that if you are a breast cancer survivor, your risk of having a primary cancer in your lung is higher, and vice versa. On Wednesday, I was at the endocrinologist to make sure my thyroid was okay. Today I had a dentist. Tomorrow I will see the pulmonary. They all wanted blood work. I thought, “Okay, do you guys mind putting it in the system, and I’ll do it on Friday?” I never thought in my life that I would think about things like that. I am at the doctor’s every day. Every day they want to prick me. Every day, they want more blood.

Understanding biomarkers: EGFR exon 20

I am doing my surveillance. I get a scan every three months, but I am also doing blood work. Through Tempus, they did a biomarker of my tumor. They check for the liquid biopsy. That is going to be every 6 to 8 weeks.

I have an EGFR exon 20 insertion. EGFR is definitely a non-small cell lung cancer favorite. Unfortunately for me, the exon 20 marker piece is not as good as exon 19. So a lot of the targeted therapies aren’t available for me. They are just coming out with new drugs that are supposed to be on the market this month, but they have only been tested on stage 3 or 4. I am lucky that my EGFR-positive lung cancer is only stage 1B, so they are holding off on giving me those because the side effects are things like pneumonitis and pneumonia, and I am already missing half my right lung. Those aren’t good side effects for me.

I wasn’t educated about biomarkers until I needed to be. I knew a little bit from when my mom had breast cancer. With this, I sat down and learned all of them from a breast cancer oncology specialist in town who is a good friend. Even though she didn’t have a lung, when I first found out and called her, she was like, “Okay, we need to get this, this, this to send to Tempus. The blood work before bronch. The blood work after bronch. The blood works before surgery, and after.” She took control of a lot of that for me until Vanderbilt assigned me to an oncologist who focused on lungs.

I found it really interesting when I started doing even more research on EGFR-positive lung cancer about the prevalence in the non-smoking community, but especially in Asian women. They had done studies in Taiwan that Asian non-smoking women were getting cancer at a faster rate than the Taiwanese men who smoked. They thought it was maybe cooking oil because in Taiwan, the women cook a lot. So they redid the study in New York and found the same outcome. In New York, people don’t cook as they do in other parts of the world. They found the same outcome. When I found out I had EGFR-positive lung cancer, I found it interesting. I am not Asian. It is about more than that, and we need to pay attention to everyone.

Cancer doesn’t care: Challenging the stigma

What I realized in this whole process is that cancer doesn’t care. It doesn’t care who your dad is, if he is a lung doctor, or who your husband works with, or what your connections are. Cancer just doesn’t care. If you have lungs, you can get lung cancer. If you have a thyroid, you can get thyroid cancer. That is what I realized in this whole process.

I am lucky that I caught my EGFR-positive lung cancer early, and I am lucky that I could pay to get that scan. That is why I am talking to people, working on my book, and I have started a nonprofit that will pay for people to get their scans. I am going to put proceeds from the book there because cancer doesn’t care, and everyone should have an opportunity to get a scan when it can help save their life. I couldn’t imagine where my life would be if I had not done it… It would probably be too late in a few more months.

The role of support systems and early detection

I am really thankful for my husband. He is a total bulldozer. For better or for worse; this time it was for the better. 

He pushed me to get the scan, he pushed me to do the follow-up scan, and he pushed to get the surgery set up so that it was quickly done, finished, and out of me. I am extremely thankful. 

Even though I give him a lot of pushback on the scans and roll my eyes when he takes a million vitamins, it worked. 

I am thankful that he had all these connections in the healthcare community that helped me take care of it as quickly as we could.

Advice: Advocate for your health and ask for scans

I think it is important to still exercise and eat right. I think you can ask your doctor for these chest CTs. I have been working with a lot of different hospitals and groups to bring the price down of the lung scan. I know that I have been working with Function Health and Ezra, and they are trying to get it down to just a few hundred dollars. I know that Vanderbilt is working to get it down to just a few hundred.

The way we get it brought down is by asking your doctor for it and telling your hospital you want it. The more we build this groundswell of people from the bottom, and from the American people advocating for themselves, the more it pushes up. Then I think you speak to people at the top, like the Secretary of Health and the head of Medicare and Medicaid, and maybe the top executives in the insurance world, and they start learning about it, and they kind of can come together and hopefully help it.

It doesn’t hurt to ask. It doesn’t hurt for the doctor to put it in and hope that your insurance will cover it, because sometimes they do. You just have to advocate for yourself. You should get your mammograms, your colonoscopies, your pap smears, your PSA, and whatever they encourage you to do because that is the only way we are going to find it.

Finding purpose: My mission to save lives

I am so grateful. It is actually crazy. I have always had social media, but I post a picture of my kids once a year, twice a year maybe. That was about my presence. When I did this whole process and started meeting people and realizing that we needed to change the narrative, I realized that was a new way I had to do it.

I am so grateful that I can sit here and say that I had EGFR-positive lung cancer. I never thought I would want that on my resume. I never planned on being part of that club. But because I can say that I am cancer-free, I am so grateful for that, that I had to stand up and say, “Okay, I’ve got to help other people be there.”

About a year ago, around the end of the year, I was at a friend’s, and they asked, “What do you want for this next year?” I was like, “I don’t know, to be healthy and happy and grateful to be here.” Then, as I dug deeper into it, I said, “I don’t know, maybe I wish I could figure out something I’m super passionate about and dive into something new.” When all of this came to a head in October, I was like, “Oh, maybe that’s what it is.” 

I am so grateful that I found it, and I am so lucky that I just feel like that is what I need to do. It is like my give back. My end goal is for people to get lung CTs like a mammogram. I want people when they’re 40 to go in for a mammogram and a CT… and a CT should be at 40. That is my goal right now.


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Michael Bugary on Medulloblastoma, Addiction, and Healing

Michael Bugary on Medulloblastoma, Addiction, and Healing Through a Therapy Dog

Michael Bugary was a professional baseball pitcher drafted by the Boston Red Sox. He had built his entire identity around baseball and external validation. When a career-ending arm injury shattered that life, he turned to substances to quiet the ache inside. Years later, he was diagnosed with a medulloblastoma, which is a type of brain cancer that develops in the cerebellum, the part of the brain responsible for balance and other motor and cognitive functions. The diagnosis forced him to confront not just the disease, but his entire sense of self.

Interviewed by: Ali Wolf
Edited by: Chris Sanchez

Michael describes multiple brain surgeries, followed by chemotherapy and radiation that left him tasting metal for a year and watching his hair fall out in clumps. The brain tumor and its treatment damaged his central nervous system, causing relentless nerve pain, buzzing sensations, hypersensitivity, and profound numbness that made it hard for him to walk and even sense where his body was in space. He went from being a professional athlete to feeling “basically decrepit overnight,” and he returned to substance use, including heroin, to cope with the mental and physical anguish.

Michael Bugary brain cancer

Michael shares that for most of his life, every solution came from outside of himself: drugs, alcohol, performance, and other people’s approval. The turning point in his brain cancer experience came when his therapy dog, Lingo, entered his life. He was originally a therapy dog on a military base who lacked a consistent handler. Michael’s mother brought Lingo home, hoping they might help each other. He became the first “good thing” Michael had experienced in a long time, and he gently pulled Michael back into the present moment.

Motivated to keep Lingo, Michael began meditating, studying neuroscience as best he could, and spending hundreds of hours focusing on his nerve endings and intentional movement. Over time, he regained more feeling and strength, returned to the weight room, and rebuilt his thinking alongside his physical recovery. Today, he discusses discipline over motivation, practices daily gratitude as an action, and manages pain well enough to look beyond himself and help others. Through speaking, writing, and therapy-dog visits with children and families facing cancer, Michael has turned his medulloblastoma experience into a life rooted in presence, responsibility, and service.

Watch Michael’s video and read the edited interview transcript below to know more about his story.

  • He describes how losing his professional baseball career, developing addiction, and then being diagnosed with a brain tumor completely reshaped his identity and values
  • Michael’s therapy dog Lingo became a powerful emotional anchor, helping Michael reconnect with the present moment and giving him a reason to engage in healing practices like meditation and exercise
  • Over time, he shifted from relying on external validation and substances to cultivating discipline, daily gratitude, and personal responsibility as internal sources of resilience
  • While pain, whether physical or emotional, can narrow a person’s world, learning to manage that pain can help one learn new ways to live in one’s body and provide an open space to care about others and find meaning beyond oneself
  • Michael now uses his experience to support other patients and families, sharing his story honestly so that others might feel less alone and see that thriving after serious illness and addiction is possible

  • Name: Michael Bugary
  • Age at Diagnosis:
    • 27
  • Diagnosis:
    • Brain Cancer (Medulloblastoma)
  • Symptoms:
    • Severe headaches resulting in loss of consciousness
    • Sensitivity to light
  • Treatments:
    • Surgeries: craniotomy, brain tumor resection, ventricular drain
    • Chemotherapy
    • Radiation
Michael Bugary brain cancer
Michael Bugary brain cancer
Michael Bugary brain cancer
Michael Bugary brain cancer
Michael Bugary brain cancer

This interview has been edited for clarity and length. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider to make informed treatment decisions.

The views and opinions expressed in this interview do not necessarily reflect those of The Patient Story.



Michael’s introduction and brain tumor diagnosis

I’m Michael. I was diagnosed with a medulloblastoma brain tumor.

The best way I would describe myself is, for the first time in my life, I’m present. I have a lot of things going. I’m starting a motivational speaking career. I just finished a book. I’m involved in all these things with the hospital with my therapy dog. I’m present. And I think the big thing for me, and how I’ve learned to heal through all the things that I’ve gone through, is by helping other people. I try to do that in a lot of different ways, either by sharing my story through attraction rather than promotion, or in any way that I can. I moved to a new area. I’m out in Ohio, in the middle of nowhere, with my dogs. So I’m experiencing life differently, from a new perspective that I haven’t ever in my life had before.

Early life, baseball dreams, and identity

The best way I can describe it is that at 27, I was mentally, physically, and spiritually broken. A few years before that, my dream was to be a Major League Baseball player. It was always my dream. I felt that if I just got there, I would get everything I wanted. That was my dream. I had just had a career-ending arm injury a few years before that, pitching for the Boston Red Sox in my second professional season.

After that injury, I felt like I lost my self-worth, and I lost my purpose and my identity, and I fell into addiction. After my addiction progressed for a while, I was then diagnosed with this medulloblastoma. It was slightly smaller than a tennis ball in my cerebellum, the back part of my brain here. It was surreal with that diagnosis. I didn’t know how to face it or what to think. I went through multiple brain surgeries, chemotherapy, and radiation. After that, I was just at rock bottom. I just didn’t know how to live at that point, and what a difference ten years makes.

“The Disease of Me” and creating a persona

The book that I wrote is called “The Disease of Me”. The reason why I say that is because I always had this hole inside me, especially when I was younger and growing up. I always felt different. I felt like I didn’t belong, but then I also had these feelings of being special. I’m special. I’m different. I’m great, whatever. Playing baseball at an early age was a way for me to try to fill that.

I loved the game, but it was a way for me to find that identity. It was the path of least resistance for me to be great at something. When I saw the professional coaches I started to work with when I was younger, and I saw the way that they acted and the way that people treated them, I knew that’s who I wanted to be. That became my identity, and all I wanted to do was be this professional baseball player, because I felt, like I said earlier, that I would get everything I wanted and I would stop feeling this way about myself if I just got there.

So I created this character, this person that I thought I wanted to be, that I thought you wanted to see me as, that you would think was cool. That became my identity. It was really a way for me to keep everybody at arm’s distance, because I was really just afraid of rejection. I was full of fear and insecurities. But I practiced and practiced and practiced, and I got really good at it. I quickly learned that the better I performed, the more attention and validation I got. Baseball became my first addiction in that sense. As I performed and improved, I played on better teams, and I got a scholarship to the University of California, Berkeley — Go Bears, by the way.

College baseball, substances, and distractions

I got that scholarship, and then I started to get those things that I wanted. Once I had that, I started to drink a little bit of alcohol here and there. I started to use these other substances in my life to help me maintain this character off the field. I always managed to keep it in control, to some extent, as long as I had baseball in my life, because baseball was like my North Star, my higher power.

After I got to college, it was a little bit different. The stakes are a little bit higher. Being at a big school like that, there’s a lot more competition. Your actions have consequences. It took me a few years to get my stuff together and to really focus on baseball. Eventually, I was drafted by the Boston Red Sox.

It was a surreal feeling. As I said, I went through those ups and downs at Berkeley, and there was a real possibility that after two or three years, my dream wasn’t going to happen, and I really had to make some serious changes. I did that. That feeling of getting drafted and being on that path, it was surreal, and it was fun. But for me, it was never enough. I felt like I should have been drafted higher, I felt like I should have had this, and I felt like this should have happened. It was just never enough, and it was never going to be enough. I just have this incessant drive for more.

I look back at those times, and I’ve had to speculate on it, especially as I wrote. I was happy, but once I got drafted, I was kind of satisfied, when that was just supposed to be the beginning. My problem was that I was always caught up in distractions: going out and partying after, and not doing what I really needed to do. I worked hard in the gym. I worked hard when I played. I worked. But I always needed to show everybody how great I was. I had that need to just show them. I had to do it by womanizing, I had to do it by this, I had to do it by every single thing. My self-worth came from outside sources. It was based on my performance. It was based on what you thought of me. I was excited to have that dream, but at the same time, I didn’t know how to cultivate it. I didn’t know how to do the things that I needed to do to be truly great, to have that next level.

Addiction progression and losing baseball

That’s when my life became unmanageable, basically. I had always experimented with things, tried a few things here and there, but as I said earlier, as long as baseball was in my life, those things didn’t help me on the field, really, so I didn’t overdo it with the frequency. But when I lost baseball, I lost that sense of purpose, self-worth, and my identity. I just didn’t care anymore.

I would love to say, “Hey, I was this promising athlete that had this bright future, and I had this horrible injury, and that’s why I became an addict.” I mean, that’s a great story. I would love to put a fancy ribbon on it. I would love to say that’s the truth, but it’s not. I knew what those things were going to do to me. I just didn’t care because I just didn’t want to feel anymore. That’s who I am. I am the person who, when times get hard, would rather run away and use substances to numb my feelings and pain. That’s just who I am, and that’s who I will always be. As long as I accept that, I can move forward and progress from that.

Then it progressed from there. As I kept getting more bad news and more depression, it progressed. How addiction works is that you progress to the next level. Eventually, the opiates became heroin. Once heroin entered my life, I had no capacity to live a dual life or think about anything else. I was only focused on getting more. Fortunately, my family and parents started to take notice, and they helped me get into treatment after that. But I still went back to it before my cancer.

Cancer diagnosis as a turning point

So the cancer diagnosis, I think, was a gift for me in a sense, because it changed so many things that helped me. It helped me internalize. It helped me realize that baseball was over, because that’s what was going on in my head. I had no will, no acceptance of a life without baseball. In my mind, I would have died at 40 to play ten years in the major leagues. That’s all I cared about. I didn’t care about a family. I didn’t care about the future. All I cared about was that, because I had this belief that that’s what I wanted.

When I was diagnosed with brain cancer and had all those side effects of all those things, I knew that I couldn’t play anymore. Eventually, it helped me accept that.

First symptoms and misunderstood relapse

I had stopped using for a few months at that point, so I was completely sober when that happened. I was working at a gym, and I started experiencing these headaches, these unique type of headaches where I would pass out, my eyes would roll into the back of my head, and I’d wake up later not knowing what was going on. I’d go into work, and the light would be so intense. I’d have to wear sunglasses inside, and then I would just nod off again. It kept happening. It kept getting worse and worse every single day.

My girlfriend at the time, who I lived with, thought that I was using drugs again, rightfully so, because I had just gotten clean. We were working on some things. I was trying to go to meetings and work on my life when this happened. She thought I relapsed again, which is understandable. One day, she just dropped me off at the emergency room. It was headaches that were so all-consuming. I can’t even explain them. They would incapacitate me. It was so painful that it didn’t hurt.

We got into a little argument about it because she thought I was just using drugs again. But when I got dropped off there, when you go in complaining about your head and the symptoms I was talking about, they immediately got me right into the doctor and to the MRI. That’s when they diagnosed me. That picture is part of the cover of my book, too.

Hearing the prognosis and thinking only of drugs

I share this story a lot when I speak, especially at treatment centers. The one vivid memory that I have is a couple of days later. Everything was happening so fast. My mom had flown down immediately. I was in Arizona at the time, and my mom had flown in from California. I remember the first time when the doctor was sharing everything with my mom and me, and she was sitting next to me. I’m lying in the bed, she’s in the seat next to me, and he’s going over on his whiteboard behind me, all these for this and the percentages for that, explaining everything to me in this language that I didn’t understand at the time.

He was so monotone. You can tell he’s given bad news to a lot of people. I don’t remember much. The only thing I remember thinking about was not what my mom must be going through — she had just put me through treatment, and now I have brain cancer. What must she be going through? My thought wasn’t about my percentages of life or what was going to happen to me. I was only thinking about the drugs that I was going to get now, because I knew that I was going to get some really strong drugs, and I was like, I’m going to get through this. It doesn’t matter. Just give me what I need and let’s go.

I reflect on that and think, what an insane thought to have. I was dead on the inside. Without baseball, without these things in my life, I was just surviving. I was hollow and spiritually broken, and I just didn’t care. I wanted something to numb me from it and just to get on with it. Give me a stick to bite on. Let’s do it.

Pediatric-style treatment and aggressive care

There were all these complications because the type of tumor I had, medulloblastoma, is more common in children. So with the treatment, they had to revert to the pediatric treatment protocols. That’s what they had to look at, even though the adult version is structurally a little different. It’s like a guessing game, albeit an educated one. They had to give me some things that had pretty nasty side effects, but they had to do what they had to do to save my life, basically.

It was all happening so fast. I just didn’t care. There was no ambiguity to any of it. It was just: this is this, boom, boom, boom, and then let’s get on with it.

Brain surgeries, ventricular drain, and beginning treatment

Most of it is a blur for me. I think there are a couple of things that I do remember. The worst parts were that they had to do something called a ventricular drain of some sort with my spinal fluid, where they had to take a saw and puncture a hole in the top of my head with a catheter. I had to be awake for that. That wasn’t fun. I remember that.

I had to have multiple brain surgeries because, for the treatment to work, they had to remove the tumor completely. For me to have a chance at recovery, they had to remove the tumor completely, and then chemotherapy and radiation — that was the treatment. They had to remove it, and then that was the treatment. In the first surgery, they only got 80% of it, so they had to do an MRI after, and that wasn’t fun. Then they had to go back the next day and take the other 20% out.

Once they were able to do that, I had a few months off where I had to go see the oncologist and do all these other things, let it heal before we started chemotherapy and radiation. For me, the acute stuff at the hospital — the cutting into my head and all that — was just pain. It was hard, but I got through that pretty easily. I’d been pretty used to being in pain at that point.

Chemotherapy, radiation, and nerve pain

What was really hard was the chemotherapy and radiation, just the side effects and what it did to my body, the way it made me look. They had to build that special cage for radiation where they bolted my head down so it wouldn’t move, and the radiation blasted the back of my skull. It was going through the back of my head into my teeth, so I tasted metal for a year. I was just losing so much weight. I lost all my hair. I remember waking up one morning, getting an itch, and my hair falling out. It just took a toll on me because it was a tumor of the central nervous system.

I started to experience this pain that I had never experienced before. I had this buzzing all over my body. It started in my brain and went down to where I could almost feel every signal being sent. I had this strange hypersensitivity and numbness — peripheral neuropathy, basically — but it was a little more intense than that. I didn’t have any feeling in any of my individual toes, but I also had sharp, needle‑like pain all over, and it made it really hard to walk. I didn’t have any spatial awareness, so I often stubbed my toes, which was the worst thing ever. My front shin muscles, the anterior tibialis, were numb, and that’s the part of your legs that lifts your foot when you walk, so jumping and running were out of the question. Mentally, I went from this professional athlete to basically decrepit overnight, and I just didn’t know how to cope with that. My solution was always substances. Even after I learned I was in remission, even after the treatment, I turned back to substance abuse and opiates and even heroin.

Delayed side effects and permanent nerve damage

My side effects were delayed for almost a year. They would come in different phases. For a while, my body wasn’t functioning right. I was told I couldn’t have children. I didn’t know if I could physically be that way again with anybody. Then it just transferred to my nerves. It was slow and gradual, and then it finally accumulated into nerve pain all over my body, just constant. It took a few months for that to happen.

I never had any recurrences of the tumors or anything like that. Fortunately, as I said, it’s been ten years now. My main issue is dealing with the permanent side effects of the treatment, the nerve damage and stuff.

Addiction, pain, and hitting bottom

I didn’t work through it very well, to be honest. It took me a long time. I remember another moment so well. At this point, I had used painkillers before for my mental pain. I wasn’t in physical pain back then. My arm hurt, but that wasn’t that big of a deal. My arm just didn’t heal right, but it didn’t hurt very painfully. Now I’m in physical pain too, so it’s a whole new ballgame.

Not only am I mentally in pain, but I’m physically in pain too. I think part of your brain justifies the usage because you’re in physical pain and you need it. But once I went back to that drug use again, and my family saw that, and my girlfriend saw that, everybody left. Now I’m alone again, more so than ever. I got to the bottom, where it’s such a lonely place.

That was my solution. It’s always been my solution. My solutions were always external substances, whatever they may be. It was never internal. I always needed something for something: something to feel better, something to get up, something to focus, something to sleep, something to make me seem cooler and better. I always needed something. Those were always solutions outside of me. So when I’m at this point where I need something, I need a solution, that’s all I knew. I didn’t know how to cope with it, and do the things I know how to do now. It just took me a long time to be able to do that. For so long, I was alone in this process.

Meeting Lingo, the therapy dog, and finding a reason to heal

That’s where my dog comes in. He helped save me because when he came into my life, I was really broken. He showed up, and he was the first good thing to happen to me in a long time. Lingo, my therapy dog, was the first good thing to really happen to me in a long time. He kind of brought me outside and into some fresh air. He changed the way I view the world — just something, a creature to love me, that I didn’t have or didn’t think that I had. With him in my life, I was able to work on myself a little bit and be open to trying new things and suggestions.

I was in Arizona with my mom. My girlfriend left, and I couldn’t take care of myself alone anymore. I moved back in with my parents in California. Fortunately, they let me move back in with them. My mom worked at the military base in Monterey, California, called the Defense Language Institute. She was the chief of operations, pretty high up there in the food chain. That base had recently undergone a project and adopted a dog to be the therapy dog for the soldiers and to be a mascot for the base. They named him Lingo, after language. Everybody loved Lingo there.

I want to be careful, because they treated Lingo very well and did everything they thought they could do. But I think they didn’t assign Lingo a handler — somebody to bring him to work every day and bring him home, to give the dog a sense of consistency. Lingo didn’t have that. He stayed on the base. Sometimes on the weekends, some of the civilians would take him home, and sometimes some of the soldiers would have to take care of him. They had other priorities. Lingo would have to spend hours in a crate, and I think that lack of consistency was taking its toll on him.

My mom, one of the civilians who always looked after Lingo, said, “Hey, I’ve got a son at home who’s hurting, and I’ve got this dog here. Maybe they can help each other.” She brought him home that weekend. Ever since Lingo came into my life, my life completely changed. Once I got him that first time, we bonded immediately. Lingo taught me how to be present. That first time when I was with him, I wasn’t caught up in the past or worried about the future. I was just in the moment. Being present and being in the moment is where I heal.

Meditation, neuroscience, and rewiring movement

That’s what he showed me. I knew that in order to keep him, if I wanted to become his handler, I had to get better. I had to work on myself. That’s when I started to take suggestions. I learned how to meditate. I started reading books and reading stories about people who had gone through challenging times. What happened to me was so unique, and I couldn’t find any research on anybody who had gone through it the way I had. I had to do things differently.

I was doing all this research on neuroscience and stuff that I don’t really understand, but I was trying to understand it and figure out what was going on with me because I had no answers. That was the worst part about all of it for me — nobody could give me any answers about what my pain was. They just couldn’t help. I don’t think I was really told this, but they weren’t that concerned about the side effects. They were worried about saving my life right then, and once we got to that “side effects bridge,” we’d cross it then. But I was there, and nobody knew how to cross it, so I had to deal with this on my own.

I learned about meditation and stories of people who healed their backs through meditation, or people with phantom limbs who still feel nerve impulses. I learned how to meditate and focus on my nerve endings. I spent hundreds of hours meditating, focusing on moving my limbs and my fingers without moving them, just sending signals. Slowly, I started to get feeling back. Slowly, my movements became more purposeful. I started back in the weight room. I started to do all these things, and as my movement turned purposeful, so did my thinking. That’s when I learned how to start taking personal responsibility and think about my past differently, and I really started to work on myself. I owe all of it to Lingo entering my life — that one change.

When he was ready to be adopted from the Army, when he was ready to retire, I was able to officially adopt him, with the promise that I would continue his work as a therapy dog to help other people in the way that he helped me.

Discipline, gratitude, and rebuilding self‑worth

In my entire life, I was always motivated by something external. As I mentioned earlier, I was motivated by somebody telling me I wasn’t good enough. I was motivated by a girl. I was motivated by all these other things to get better — I’m going to get better for her, I’m going to do this for that. But it was never internal. I say this now: discipline always beats motivation, because when I’m disciplined, when I have all these little wins every day and start a routine, that builds my self‑worth from the inside out. That’s what I had to create.

It wasn’t easy. I was mad at the world. I was mad at God. I was mad at baseball. I was just mad at everything. But the truth was that I was really mad at myself. Once I became willing and honest with myself, I was able to see things in a different light. For me, it was about gratitude. I had all these bad things that happened to me, but when I realized that all the bad things that happened to me were my fault — products of choices that I made — then I could open up and start to have gratitude.

Gratitude wasn’t easy for me. I had to start by making it part of my routine to write five things down that I was grateful for every day. At first, even finding five things was hard. Slowly, now, I just keep going on and on about what I’m grateful for. I got to the point where I was in so much pain that I couldn’t sit still, or I couldn’t move. I was just caught in that limbo of agony, I call it, where I had to do something different or just roll over and give up.

For me, it really stemmed from taking ownership. I can control what I can control. I can’t control all these other things going on around me, but maybe I can do this. I can do a little bit here and a little bit there, and then I can do a little bit more. It was really hard for me at first to get that, but that’s how it started — slowly.

Learning to sit in pain and managing it

As I said earlier, when I started to meditate and focus on my nerves, I learned to sit in my pain. I learned to sit in it and just observe it. The meditators call it equanimity — just being silent and just being there while you’re uncomfortable, in hard times. I just sat in it and learned to have a relationship with it. I’m not saying that I enjoyed it or developed some new appreciation for pain, but I learned to sit in it.

Once I did that and kept doing it, it became easier and easier. When I first started lifting weights, anything over 100–150 pounds made my head feel like it was in a fishbowl, and I couldn’t do it. The more I meditated and worked with my nerves, the more I did it — even if it hurt, I still did it — the more it opened up. I could do more and more and more. I got to a point where I’m lifting more than I did when I was playing baseball. I still have about 75% feeling now. I still have the headaches and the nerve pain, but I’ve learned to manage them, and that’s a big part for me.

The biggest part for me, one of the biggest things, is managing my pain. I’m not going to eliminate it. I can’t. I’ve accepted that. But if I can manage it, then I can live in a world that’s beyond me. When I’m in pain, mental or physical, I can only think of myself. I can only think about that. But when I can manage it, then I can think about other people. That’s the biggest thing for me — how do I get into a world that’s beyond me? When I just focus on me, me, me, that’s my problem. When I’m outside of myself, I listen to suggestions. I get ideas from other people. I can learn something from everybody. That’s when my life changes.

When you’re the smartest guy in the room, you’re the only guy in the room. I’ve been in a room by myself for a long time. When I manage my pain, it’s so important. I say pain is as idiosyncratic as our personalities. We all have different levels of pain, but how we manage that, I think, is the most important thing.

Therapy dog work, children with cancer, and giving back

As we mentioned earlier, one of the things that bothered me most about my brain tumor was that I knew what I went through — a lot of pain, a lot of misery — and I’m culpable for a lot of it myself through my actions, and I accept that. But to think of an innocent child going through that, that broke my heart more than anything. That was the motivation for why I started to work with Lingo at Rainbow Babies & Children’s Hospital in Cleveland.

That’s how it started — the little bit of joy we could bring to kids going through the hardest time of their lives. Lingo pops up on the bed with them, and they pet him. It teaches me so much every day, every time I go there. When we’re there, we’re visiting the patients, the kids. They’re just petting Lingo, but I’m not talking to them. I’m talking to their parents and their families. When we talk about Lingo’s story or the pets they have at home, it changes the way I think, because it makes me think about my family — my mom sitting next to me in that hospital room.

It makes me think about all the people I’ve hurt or the people who were there for me. As difficult as those thoughts are to have, I can only have those thoughts when I help somebody else without expecting something in return. I know that I can’t change the past. I can just do better in the future. It continues to help me every single time.

Purpose, perspective, and living gratitude

I feel guilty sometimes. I’ve watched a lot of the different episodes and heard people’s stories about people who have gone through these things unfairly, and some of them didn’t make it. Just to be able to be the way that I am now — if I think like that, it’s selfish too. It’s backwards‑looking. Instead, it’s: what do I do with the gift I’ve been given? That’s the perspective I have to have.

What do I do with it? I’ve been given this gift. How do I show up for my loved ones? How do I show up for my family? How do I make my living amends for the things that I’ve done? How am I impeccable with my word and reliable? How do I share my story — by speaking at treatment centers or wherever I can? I have to be honest. I have to share these things.

I found this purpose in my bones to share the things that I’ve gone through, so maybe that’ll prevent somebody else from going through the things that I’ve done. I say it’s a gift now because the subtitle of my book is How Losing My Professional Baseball Career, Drug Addiction, and Brain Cancer Saved My Life. Going through all those bad things saved my life. They turned me into a person I would never have been if I didn’t get injured or go through those things, and I’m grateful for that. But how do I show that gratitude? I have to do it every day.

Gratitude is an action word. It’s how I show up. It’s how I treat strangers. It’s how I do all these things. That’s my purpose now. I just hope that I can share my story with as many people as I can and hopefully let them know that they can get through the hardest times they’ve gone through — and they can also thrive afterwards too.


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Navigating the “Good Cancer” Guilt: Taylor Scheib’s Story of Self-Advocacy

Navigating the “Good Cancer” Guilt: Taylor Scheib’s Story of Self-Advocacy and Finding Her Voice

Thyroid cancer wasn’t on Taylor Scheib’s radar when she first noticed a small lump on her neck at age 26. A sports broadcaster turned storyteller at The Patient Story, Taylor had watched her grandmother’s legacy and her mother’s recent battle with stage 3 colorectal cancer shape her understanding of cancer. But when she sought answers for the growing mass on her neck, she faced years of tests and dismissal. Doctors repeatedly assured her that the nodule was presenting as benign. Importantly, they were also advising her that surgery was optional and cosmetic. Even as it grew. It wasn’t until the lump began to physically impact her sleep and exercise, and she saw how visible it was in photographs, that she pushed for its removal.

Interviewed by: Herself (Taylor Scheib)
Edited by: Chris Sanchez

The surgery Taylor underwent in April 2025 was supposed to be the end of a benign chapter. Instead, a MyChart notification delivered a shocking blow: the pathology report revealed oncocytic carcinoma of the thyroid gland, a rare and aggressive subtype of thyroid cancer. Taylor was traumatized by having to receive her diagnosis through a screen before speaking to a doctor, a system failure that ignited her resolve. She immediately sought a second opinion at the Fred Hutch Cancer Center in Seattle, which led to another thyroidectomy to remove the rest of her thyroid and subsequent radioactive iodine treatment.

Taylor Scheib thyroid cancer

Throughout her experience, Taylor has grappled with the complex guilt often associated with having a “treatable” cancer, especially while some of the patients she talks with face more ominous diagnoses. Yet, she realized that every patient’s experience is valid. Today, she uses her platform and The Patient Story’s platform to emphasize the critical importance of self-advocacy and second opinions. Her story is a powerful reminder that even when a condition presents as benign, patients know their bodies best and their stories are always worth telling.

Watch Taylor’s video and read the transcript of her interview below to take a deeper dive into her story.

  • Trust your instincts over “benign” labels. Even when medical tests suggest that a condition is harmless, persistent symptoms, like difficulty swallowing or physical changes, warrant further investigation. You are the expert on your own body
  • Be prepared for the possibility of getting shocking news electronically when checking test results online. Finding out a diagnosis via an electronic medical record (MyChart) before a doctor’s call is a devastating but increasingly common reality. This is the downside of new laws aimed at giving you access.
  • Second opinions are vital. Seeking a second opinion at a comprehensive cancer center can completely change your treatment plan and provide peace of mind, even if it requires travel
  • “Good cancer” guilt is real. It is common to feel guilty when facing a “treatable” cancer while others may be suffering more, but minimizing your own trauma doesn’t help anyone. Your pain and fear are valid
  • You must be your own biggest advocate. If you cannot fight for yourself, find a friend or family member who will ensure your concerns are heard

  • Name: Taylor Scheib
  • Diagnosis:
    • Thyroid Cancer (Oncocytic)
  • Age at Diagnosis:
    • 30
  • Symptom:
    • Appearance of a visible lump on the neck
  • Treatments:
    • Surgeries: hemithyroidectomy, complete thyroidectomy
    • Radiation therapy: radioactive iodine
Taylor Scheib thyroid cancer
Taylor Scheib thyroid cancer
Taylor Scheib thyroid cancer
Taylor Scheib thyroid cancer
Taylor Scheib thyroid cancer
Taylor Scheib thyroid cancer
Taylor Scheib thyroid cancer
Taylor Scheib thyroid cancer

This interview has been edited for clarity and length. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider to make informed treatment decisions.

The views and opinions expressed in this interview do not necessarily reflect those of The Patient Story.



Cancer runs deep in my family

I’m no stranger to cancer. It started really early for me, actually. That was when my Grandma Connie was diagnosed with breast cancer. It was actually before I was even born. My dad was a teenager, and unfortunately, she passed away before I was able to meet her. But I know that her legacy and her life live through all of us, especially my dad and his sisters, and through us grandkids. A lot of my family members actually say that I look a lot like her, and I agree.

I always knew what cancer was after my grandma, and as I got older. When I was old enough to really know and talk about my Grandma Connie, that’s when I really started to understand cancer. It was at a young age. Her death impacted a lot of my life in ways that I still don’t realize, and it would be a long time until cancer really directly impacted me again. But it came in November of 2023.

My mom was diagnosed with stage 3 colorectal cancer. I was living in Spokane, Washington. My mom was still back home in Illinois, and I remember she called me. I knew she had gotten a CT scan, but I didn’t know exactly what they were going to find when she called me that day.

She told me they found a mass, and I dropped everything to go and be with her. I think I knew deep down that it was cancer. That’s really because she had symptoms piling up: blood in her stool, fatigue, cramping, and bloating. All the signs really pointed towards colorectal cancer. I went home for a month from my mom’s diagnosis to her getting her treatment plan, to her having a major surgery to remove that tumor. It was really, really hard to see my mom go through that. Those were some of the hardest moments that I’ve had to see my mom go through. She is truly my best friend. To see her in so much pain… The surgery was really horrifying for me, my brother, and my sister. We’d never seen Mom look so tired and worn down, and she was on the verge of giving up.

I thought that would be the hardest time my mom and I would go through. But fast forward to April of 2025. My mom was about a year and a half out of chemo, and I had to call my mom and tell her, “You just beat cancer, but now I have it.” Different kind. Totally different treatment plan. But I had to tell my mom that I had cancer. That was one of the toughest phone calls.

Discovering the thyroid nodule: Initial symptoms and dismissal

There are thousands of miles between her and me, and my family and my closest best friends. But I had my husband. I had his family here and our chocolate lab, Sage, who is truly our daughter. In April 2025, I went in for surgery to have a 5.5-centimeter nodule removed from the left side of my thyroid. They would have to remove the whole left side of my thyroid because that mass had basically compromised it.

What happened, though, was that I thought it was benign. I thought it was nothing. I didn’t even think twice that it could be something like cancer. Even though I was connected to cancer in so many different ways, not once did I think it was anything but benign. That’s because multiple doctors told me that it was nothing, that it was just a benign thyroid nodule, and there was nothing I needed to do about it.

The mass was impacting my day-to-day. It was compromising the way I slept. If I was working out or doing a certain exercise, it was impacting that. It was getting so big that I felt, at times, it was choking me, and it had also become pretty noticeable. I would look at pictures of myself, and I would just be like, Oh my gosh. This thing is so huge. It’s getting so big.

It took me advocating for myself and pushing to get a surgery and get it taken out before I was ever taken seriously. Things were said to me like, “Are you ready to have a scar? It’s benign. Why do you want it out?” Not once did anyone say to me, “Oh, we should biopsy this,” or “Should we look further into this?” It was so frustrating to me at that time. I just wanted it out. Thankfully, I got it out. Before I even had time to process that there had been cancer in my body for multiple years, it was gone. The cancer was gone, essentially, before I even knew it was cancer. And that is why I have spent a lot of time thinking about other people.

From storyteller to cancer patient: The guilt of “the good cancer”

Less fortunate people are people who go through hours and hours of chemotherapy and radiation. The treatment that my grandma many years ago went through and suffered through. To me, having a cancer that is very treatable and has a very straightforward treatment plan… that guilt is something that I’ve carried ever since my diagnosis. And it’s not only what my grandma went through, or what my mom went through; it’s what hundreds of people I’ve talked to who’ve had cancer have gone through, because I’m a storyteller here at The Patient Story.

I went from telling stories, listening, and truly gaining so much knowledge and life lessons from people because they were brave enough to come to The Patient Story, reach out, or answer a message that we had sent them and share their stories. With that, for me, comes a lot of guilt. Because I’m so lucky. I’m so lucky that even though the cancer was in my body for a while and I didn’t know it, it still didn’t spread. But I talk to incredible humans every single day who have it so much worse. I’ve spoken to people who have passed away. People who have relapsed and their cancer has come back. People who have lost a loved one to cancer. People who are in active treatment and they’re still mustering up the energy to do an hour-long interview with me. These stories are so deep, so personal, that I struggled to figure out if my story was impactful enough or worth telling.

I’ve come to realize that everyone’s story is so special. Everyone’s story is different, and in every story, there’s a lesson. There’s something about life that you can take from that. So that’s why, for the first time, I’m sitting down, and I’m telling my story from the very beginning.

My life before cancer: A career in sports broadcasting

I’m originally from a really small town in Illinois. About 800 people, 30 kids in my graduating class. Yes, some are still my best friends to this very day. I have an incredible family. Some of them still live back in Illinois: my mom, my dad, my stepmom, and my siblings. I have an older sister who lives in Texas, a younger brother who lives outside of Omaha, Nebraska, with his fiancée, Mallory. And then I have two bonus siblings. One’s a freshman in high school, and one is a sixth grader. I’m so grateful for my family.

From a young age, I was always the girl who wanted to get out of the small town. That was no secret to anybody. I took school very seriously. I took extracurriculars and sports very seriously, and it led me down a path where I went to the University of Iowa. I became a sports broadcaster, and I really thought that that was going to be my life. It started in Iowa with The Daily Iowan, and then it transformed into my first real adult job in Grand Forks, North Dakota. Then I came to Spokane. That’s where I met my incredible husband, Justin. He is truly the light of my life, and I’m so lucky to have found him.

It’s a very typical story. He slid into the Instagram DMs. He was a coach; I was a sports reporter. I did a story on a team he was coaching, and next thing you know, it’s seven years later. After Spokane, though, I went on to Denver, and I covered professional sports, and I’m so thankful for that time because it really showed who I wanted to be professionally and where I wanted my life to go. I say this all the time, but my husband would have followed me to the ends of the earth if I had wanted to continue in sports broadcasting. But what I realized was I thought I was in love with sports — and I am — but I’m more in love with storytelling.

I wanted to just talk to people. I wanted to share their stories. I wanted to make an impact. That was the biggest thing for me. So I decided to get out of sports broadcasting. My husband and I moved back to Spokane, Washington. He grew up about two hours away, and we started creating our life here. 

I could not be more grateful for where we’re at in our lives. We love the Pacific Northwest. We take our chocolate lab, Sage, hiking and swimming. We love camping. We also love showing people around the Pacific Northwest, with my brother and his fiancée, Mallory, being our biggest frequent fliers.

The lump appeared: Dismissed by doctors for years

When I was in sports, and I was in Denver at Fox 31, that’s actually when the lump appeared. I had just turned 26, and we decided to do a karaoke night — one of the greatest pastimes of my husband and me. We went out and karaoke’d, and the next morning, I found the lump. It was quite small, so I thought it might be a lymph node or something similar. But I immediately went to the doctor. Blood work. Ultrasound. No follow-up needed. The mass was presenting benign, so it was out of sight, out of mind.

I just continued with my life, and it wasn’t until a year later that my husband and I returned to Spokane. My girlfriends and I went out. My husband was our designated driver that night, and we’re on our way home, when one of my really good friends pointed out to me, “Hey, do you know that you have a lump in your neck?”

To be honest, it was kind of the first time someone had pointed it out to me. I know she did it just looking out for me and just wanted to make sure I knew. It hit really close to home for her because her dad had thyroid cancer. So she did it with the best intentions. I just said, “Yeah, I actually had it checked out a year ago.” But her bringing it up made me go and get it checked out again.

So, new doctor, new established care here in Spokane, because we had just moved back here. I went and got it checked out again. Blood work and ultrasound again came back. No follow-up needed. But at that point, I noticed that the lump was getting bigger. It was growing — not at a rapid rate — but it was growing, and it started to hinder my day-to-day life.

It was really strange. Then there’s this one picture. My dog and I are sitting on a log camping, and I looked at the picture, and I was so embarrassed. I was dumbfounded. I turned to my husband, and I’m like, “This thing is so freaking huge, and it’s embarrassing. How did I let this go on for so long? There is clearly a huge lump in my neck.” I was so mad at myself. I’m like, “Okay, we’re done. This is it. We’re getting this out.”

So I got a referral to an Ear, Nose, and Throat specialist. With specialty care, it took a while to get in. I finally get in, and I see this doctor. She brought up the ultrasound. She was like, “It presents benign. It doesn’t look like anything. It’s your choice to get it out.” And man, talk about pressure. It’s your choice to get it out. Keep in mind, I’ve never really had any major surgeries. Wisdom teeth? Yes. Broke my tailbone when I was younger, but I had not had a serious surgery, and it was just so casual. “It’s your choice to get it out.”

I’m like, “Okay, well, I’m getting it out. I can’t take pictures like this anymore. I can’t have it be super noticeable like this.” It’s not like people were pointing it out left and right, but if I pointed it out — if I was like, “Hey, I have this huge lump on my neck” — they’d be like, “Oh my gosh, I never even noticed.” That’s also at the point where my mom was like, “You need to get it out.” I don’t know if she had mom instincts or just cancer instincts, but she was also pushing me to get it out.

So I scheduled the surgery for January 2025. My referral from my insurance didn’t go through the morning I was supposed to have surgery. They were like, “You could just come in and have it done and just chance it.” I’m like, “No, no, medical bills are expensive. That’s not happening.” So, because it was non-emergent, it got pushed back to April 2025.

The surgery and the shocking MyChart discovery

The surgery was scheduled for April 18th. Two weeks before that, I had just turned 30. My husband planned this incredible trip to Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. We went and had the most incredible time. We stayed an extra day, and if I could go back and relive that day, every single day I would. The only thing that was missing was our dog. She obviously didn’t come with us, but if I could go back to that day, I would, because it was the most incredible day, and we had no idea what life was going to throw at us.

Granted, keep in mind, I still had this lump. It’s noticeable in the pictures. So in a way, I’d go back to that day, but then there’s also a part of me where I’m like, Oh, there’s cancer in your body. So you wanted to get it out. But again, I didn’t know at that time.

So we went home. We settled in. I had surgery on April 18th. My husband took me. It was an outpatient procedure. Very straightforward. But even before my doctor and surgeon came into the room, I told my husband, “She’s very nonchalant, she’s very casual, just heads up.” And she was. There was no indication this could be anything more. There was no talk of a pathology report. And I know why doctors do that. I know why care teams do that. I mean, it was presenting completely benign on an ultrasound. So what would make you think that it’s anything more than that? I don’t know. I wish that they had known that, or I would have gotten a biopsy, but I wasn’t that educated at that time. I mean, I was, but I wasn’t.

It was a very straightforward surgery. My husband said the surgeon came out and said everything was good. We got it all. She’ll be waking up soon. I went home so quickly after I woke up — it was like 20 minutes, and I went home. I was anxious to get back to working out and getting back into my routine. I just had a partial thyroidectomy, and it is a pretty straightforward procedure. I didn’t think about the pathology report. I didn’t think about any of that until my mom brought it up. She said, “When are you going to get your pathology report?” I said, “Oh, I have no idea.” I didn’t even really think about it.

That morning, the morning that I found out it was cancer, was a Monday. I had just been cleared to start working out again, and I started training for a seven-mile race known as the Bix. It’s this huge race near my hometown in Illinois, and my mom had asked all of us kids to come back and run the race with her to celebrate her being out of chemotherapy. No evidence of disease, and just celebrate her. So I started training that morning. I was so excited.

Then that night rolled around. I’m sitting on my couch, my husband’s in the kitchen cooking dinner, and I see a message in MyChart pop up. Human instincts: Open it. And for me, I didn’t know that opening it was going to be anything other than, “It was benign. It looks good. Glad you got it out.”

But I opened that MyChart message, and the first thing I see is carcinoma. I instantly knew what carcinoma meant. Cancer. The mass was freaking cancer. It wasn’t benign like I had thought for three years. It wasn’t benign. Like I was explaining to people and telling people so they wouldn’t freak out. It was f****** cancer. A cancer type that I had no idea about because there was this word “oncocytic” in the verbiage. I didn’t know what oncocytic meant. It said “Oncocytic Carcinoma of the Thyroid Gland.” So connecting the dots, it’s thyroid cancer. Oncocytic. What the heck does that mean?

I just burst into tears. My husband stops in his tracks, and I just yell it out: “It was cancer!” My husband drops everything, turns the burners off. He’s like, “What are you talking about?” I showed him the message. It was such a devastating moment. I felt like such a fool. I had taken videos before the surgery and even after, really honing in on the word “benign” because, again, I just didn’t want anyone to freak out. I didn’t want anyone to think anything else. But I was just saying the things that had been told to me for three years — that it was benign.

My husband and I — I mean, obviously, he’s so upset. We go into my office. The irony. I’m sitting in my office at my desk, The Patient Story sign behind me, and I am living in a moment that I’ve actually heard before. I’ve had people tell me in interviews, “I found out I had cancer through MyChart.”

No one — no one — should ever, ever find out that they have cancer through MyChart. It is so devastating. I know that it’s not the doctor’s fault. It’s the system. The system definitely has some things to work on. My husband and I sat in my office chair and we were googling words, and then I had to call my mom.

Navigating treatment: Second opinions and radioactive iodine

We went on a walk with that same friend who had said, “Hey, do you know you have a lump in your neck?” We went on a walk with her and her husband. We told them, and then we didn’t really tell anybody else. I did call Stephanie, the founder of The Patient Story, because I’ve always been so transparent with her about my mom’s situation. I started at The Patient Story two months after my mom was diagnosed with colorectal cancer. Then I’m working at this incredible healthcare organization that primarily focuses on cancer, when I myself am diagnosed with cancer. So why not go straight to someone who’s so well-connected and really gets it?

Stephanie and I had that conversation that night, and I felt relieved in a way, just knowing that my job was going to be there. I could have space. She was connecting with people she knew who specialized in endocrinology and thyroid cancers. So it was a tiny bit of relief that I felt.

The next day, I instantly started researching second opinions because I had had conversations with people who educated me on second opinions, who taught me that getting a second opinion is important. How blessed was I to be so privileged to know to get a second opinion, specifically at a comprehensive cancer center? I mean, that knowledge is invaluable. I can’t even describe how lucky I felt, even in a moment of crisis, trauma, and drama. It was very traumatic to be going through what I was going through, as it is for anyone who gets told they have cancer, regardless of the type.

I came across the Fred Hutch Cancer Center in Seattle. I didn’t care that it was 4.5 hours away. I just really wanted to have a second set of eyes on my pathology report, and just help me navigate what the next steps would be. I called Fred Hutch. I got connected with an incredible nurse navigator, and she was so kind. She got me an appointment without even a referral. She just put me on the schedule, and the wait times were pretty long. But it actually worked out because when you have a partial thyroidectomy, you have to wait a certain number of weeks to see if you have to start taking thyroid medication or not. Usually, you don’t — it’s like 15 to 20% who have to.

But it was going to be about four weeks from the surgery to finding out I had cancer to being seen at Fred Hutch. And the timeline was similar to providers here in Spokane. They were presenting my case to a tumor board, where they all get together and discuss special cases. Because of the size of my tumor — 5.5 centimeters — I wasn’t calling the mass a mass anymore or a benign nodule. I was calling it a tumor. They wanted to present it to the tumor board. They wanted to do genetic testing on the tumor to see what the next steps would be.

Those four weeks were so incredibly hard for me. My husband gave me so much grace, of course, but I can only imagine how he felt during that time because I was a mess. The waiting was horrific. I just wanted answers. I wanted a plan because I’m such a planner.

I went to Fred Hutch four weeks after my surgery. They were so kind. They provided incredible services. I met my endocrinologist, Dr. Roth, and she is incredible. All she had to do was look at my pathology report to know what the next steps were. And that was a full thyroidectomy and radioactive iodine treatment. That’s what I needed. I needed to just know what the next steps were and how I could just get past this. I really wanted it to be a chapter in my life story. I didn’t want it to overtake me, and that’s exactly what we did.

On June 10th of 2025, I got the rest of my thyroid removed. So, a complete thyroidectomy. At that point, they wanted to get rid of my thyroid, any remaining thyroid cells, because the subtype of thyroid cancer I have — oncocytic — is a rarer, less common subtype. It doesn’t happen in a lot of cases, and it can be aggressive. So it was: get the rest out.

During that time, though, I had lost my voice and was struggling to come back. So there was a little bit of how do we push this back more? My husband and I traveled to Fred Hutch — you know, that 4.5-hour drive — we’re so lucky to have the means to do that. I remember sitting with my surgeon, and she was laying it all out there. She was very honest, very kind, very gentle, but so honest about the possibilities, especially because my voice was gone. Come to find out, it was just like an inflamed nerve or something. It wasn’t my vocal cords, which was the fear.

During that wait — oh my gosh. Stephanie told me from the beginning, “The waiting is going to be the worst.” And something I’ve heard in interviews I’ve done is, “The waiting is going to be the worst.” It was agonizing to have all these wait times. I was just kind of sitting in it, and finally got the rest of my thyroid removed.

And then you have to wait eight weeks to do radioactive iodine therapy. So this is the midst of summer. My husband and I are very active. We’re very go-go-go. So I’m recovering from surgery. I’m trying to get back into my routine. I ran that seven-mile race that I had originally started training for before I found out it was cancer. I ran that race with my family and my mom, and it was so amazing and celebratory.

Then we get to radioactive iodine. That was in September of 2025. Again, that process is very straightforward. It’s just so lucky to have the care team I have. It’s a lot of appointments. It’s a low iodine diet. That’s not that fun. I couldn’t eat cheese for like three weeks. It was very sad. I make the jokes because I’ve just figured out that laughing and smiling through this has been kind of the best thing for me.

The mental toll: Body image, anxiety, and fertility

I’ve had moments, of course, of darkness and sadness, and just trying to figure out how to navigate this. So I get through radioactive iodine that involves a three-day isolation process. I was isolated from the outside world in a Fred Hutch facility for three days, and then I came out and got a scan and saw where the cancer was. It was contained in my thyroid bed, but it was more than they anticipated. So I did get a little bit of a higher dose of radioactive iodine.

Now I’m at this phase where it is follow-ups and blood work, and going to Fred Hutch for ultrasounds. What I’ve come to find out is that the surgeries were scary again. I hadn’t had a major surgery before; I had two in one year. And then radioactive iodine was a little sketchy. You know, you just take this pill. And I had a couple of side effects that were out of the ordinary.

Then you get to this part where I’ve been in, and that is processing what has happened to you and what you’ve gone through. In a way, I’ve had to kind of figure out who I am again. She was never really lost, but she’s gone through some things, as we all have. Cancer being a big one, being a caregiver to a parent, going through cancer, and then other life things.

I think after the radioactive iodine treatment, I found myself very anxious and struggling mentally. I couldn’t get myself into a good rhythm. I was living on a short fuse, using my husband as a punching bag, which is not fair at all. And all of this while keeping in mind I don’t have a thyroid anymore, which controls a lot of your hormones, your metabolism, different things like that. You’re taking a pill now. 5:00 a.m. every single day, my alarm goes off, and I’m taking my thyroid medication. That within itself is a total mind f***.

I just felt like I was slipping a bit. I was just not being my best self. And I’ve struggled with anxiety for a long time. I don’t know if anyone else feels this way, but I swear the older you get, the more anxious you become. It just becomes more apparent to the point where I would get numb, my hands would get numb. Sometimes, the side of my face — I was having physical symptoms of anxiety. I just felt… I didn’t like myself. I hated myself. And I would use that language on myself sometimes. Sometimes I’d say it out loud to my husband. “I hate myself. I hate my body.” It felt like body betrayal. What I went through. How did I not know? For three years, cancer was growing inside my body.

Then I got it out, and I started on this thyroid medication, and then I started having body image issues where I had gained weight. I would look at myself in photos, and I would speak so horribly to myself. So horribly to myself. And I hate that I did that. I hate that I was telling myself mean things about my body and about how I looked.

It was like an identity crisis in a way. When you’re a sports reporter and a sports broadcaster, and you’re on TV every single day, you’re looking at yourself, and you’re judgmental, and you’re being told things. And then you’re not on TV anymore, and you go through a big thing like cancer, and your body just is a little confused, and your mind’s confused. I don’t think I was giving myself enough grace in that moment. And it’s something I’m really trying to work on. I just hated the way I felt, the way I was treating my husband, my family, my friends. It was like a “fake it ’til you make it,” but my husband was seeing the real thing of how I was feeling, and that was really, really hard.

Another layer to this is that when you receive radioactive iodine therapy treatment, you can’t get pregnant for a year. And 2025 was the year my husband and I had discussed starting to explore the idea of starting a family.

It was at the point where early 2025, I was telling people, “Ooh, Justin and I are going to start trying. I’m going to be 30. We’re going to start trying. So excited.” Lesson learned: shouldn’t have done that. And it wasn’t like we were actively trying when I was diagnosed with cancer because we were not. But I wasn’t on birth control, and I had to go back on birth control because of radioactive iodine treatment. If I were to get pregnant in the next year, it would be very dangerous.

So I was also having a bit of a reality check; maybe Justin and I weren’t ready in that moment or in 2025, but it was taken away from me as a woman. Oh my God, it’s so hard. I’m so grateful to still have the ability to hopefully carry a child someday if we decide to do that, because I know not everybody gets that chance, and people struggle with fertility issues and that whole situation. My heart goes out to all of those people. To have it taken away from you, even for a year, was really, really sad. And you’re so happy for your friends who are getting pregnant for the first time, or with their second babies. Everyone knows I love being Auntie Taylor. But that dynamic was difficult. It really was difficult.

Healing and advocacy: Why your story matters

So I was processing all these emotions of hating myself, hating my body, body betrayal, not being able to start a family with Justin, and I got into a really deep, dark place. And then I started to climb out of it. At the start of 2026, I really committed to myself: to my body, to routine, and doing things that make me happy. I’ve started this morning routine that I’ve just lived and breathed by since the start of 2026, and I just feel really, really good.

Another big thing — and not something I’ve expressed a whole lot, though some of my friends and my mom, of course, my family knows — but I started taking anxiety medication. That was a huge step for me. So again, my body is going through a lot. Thyroid medication, I’m back on birth control, and anxiety medication. I’m really taking care of myself. Of course, I slip in a cheeseburger now and then. Everyone who knows me knows that I’m a sucker for a cheeseburger. But truly, I’ve shifted. And it’s not just physical for me. It’s truly mental. It is a mental game for me at this point, and I’m so proud of myself for taking care of my mind and my body and just recentering myself.

As I’ve recentered myself, one thing that I talked about at the beginning of my story was the dynamic of Is my identity… is my story important? Is it important enough to share? Is it worth sharing? Am I ready to just close this chapter? All those questions swirling around in my head, and thyroid cancer is looked at as “the easy cancer,” and yada yada.

I am fully aware that it is a very treatable cancer. It is very straightforward, and I’m forever grateful for that. It doesn’t mean that my story is not worth sharing, though. I’d be lying if I didn’t say I was terrified to share my story, especially on a platform where I interview so many people who have it so much worse than me, and I always keep that perspective in my mind. But those very people taught me to advocate for myself, to get second opinions, to share my story, and to be brave enough to share my story.

There are things in the story that I haven’t expressed out loud. So in a way, this is my own little personal diary. Looking back at the person who was diagnosed in April 2025, to the person I am now, she’s the same girl. She’s just grown up a little bit, and I’m really thankful for that. It’s truly a full circle moment to share my story and to continue sharing stories of others who are going through cancer, no matter what stage, no matter what type, no matter where you’re at in your story.

I’m so blessed to be able to have a voice and to have a platform like this. Timing is truly everything. And no matter what you believe in, everything does truly happen for a reason. At least I think. I found The Patient Story — or rather, they found me — three months after my mom’s colorectal cancer diagnosis. And then plot twist: I get cancer in the midst of working for a cancer company. I was exactly where I needed to be at the exact time of my diagnosis. And now what can I do? I can share my story. I can continue spreading that language and those words that people have taught me before about second opinions, about advocating for yourself, and making sure that you’re just truly taking care of yourself — mind, body, spiritually — however the dominoes fall.

One thing I’ve just been so lucky to do as well is because of The Patient Story. People in my personal life have come to me and been like, “Hey, I was diagnosed with said cancer,” or “Hey, I know someone who was diagnosed,” or someone sending me a message and saying, “Hey, I have the same subtype of thyroid cancer as you.” I mean, this is a domino effect. Sharing your story, sharing your light, sharing your truth is so incredibly important. You don’t know who it will reach or who it will impact. And I just think that’s really, really special.

What I want people to take away from my story and my experiences

There are three things:

One: Advocate for yourself. If you can’t find someone who will — a family member, a friend, a colleague — please fight for yourself and your body and your mind and what you’re feeling.

Two: Second opinions are so important. I know that comes with a lot of layers: insurance, travel, finances. But if you have the ability to get a second opinion or even just ask someone or try to connect with someone who can ask their oncologist, please explore a second opinion.

Three: Your story matters. If you are terrified, just like I was, to share your story fully, please don’t. Because I can promise you that your story is important and no story is the same.

Thank you so much for watching my patient story. It took a lot of guts, a lot of bravery to share this, but I’m so grateful to have this platform to do so. And if my story resonated with you at all, I’d love to introduce you to one of our team members, Ali. She shared her story, and it’s queued up for you right here. Please make sure you subscribe to The Patient Story community, where you’ll see me interviewing so many incredible people with their inspiring stories. We want you to join The Patient Story community because we’re humanizing cancer one story at a time, and always telling people and reminding people that you’re never alone.


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The “Luckiest Unlucky Person”: Young Mom Laurel’s Kidney Cancer Experience

The “Luckiest Unlucky Person”: Young Mom Laurel’s Kidney Cancer Experience

Clear cell renal cell carcinoma (ccRCC), the most common type of kidney cancer, can sound clinical on paper. For Laurel, however, it was anything but clinical. Her experience unfolded in the middle of new motherhood, sleepless nights, and Manitoba winters as chilly as -40°C (-40°F). At 33, Laurel was enjoying maternity leave with her baby when a sudden, excruciating gallbladder pain sent her to a rural emergency room. Imaging to confirm gallstones also revealed a tumor on her left kidney, leading to a diagnosis of early-stage clear cell renal cell carcinoma and a plan for partial nephrectomy.

Interviewed by: Carly Knowlton
Edited by: Chris Sanchez

Before the diagnosis, life felt full and ordinary in the best way. Laurel describes how she finally loved being a mom after a difficult first few postpartum months, and savoring simple joys like skating, building backyard toboggan slides, and tending her white picket-fenced garden. That everyday joy made the call confirming that she had kidney cancer, which she received on her husband’s 40th birthday, all the more surreal. Her family doctor was direct about the likelihood of cancer, and a network of advocates, including an ER physician, nurse navigator, and urology team, moved quickly to get her into surgery.

Laurel M. kidney cancer

Laurel underwent a laparoscopic partial nephrectomy with the understanding that she might need to have a full nephrectomy if necessary. Pathology later showed cancer cells close to one margin, but her urologic oncologist was confident that the extensive cauterization eliminated any remaining cells. While the clear cell renal cell carcinoma was addressed surgically, Laurel required emergency gallbladder removal and an endoscopic retrograde cholangiopancreatography (ERCP) to diagnose and treat issues in her bile ducts and pancreatic ducts. She ended up spending more time in the hospital for these complications than for the kidney surgery itself.

Emotionally, Laurel describes compartmentalizing to move through crisis — delegating research to her sister in clinical research, childcare to another sister, and advocacy to a cancer nurse navigator. The most painful moment came when she realized she needed to write a will and create memory albums for her young son, in case he grew up without remembering her. Over time, therapy helped her process the experience. Hearing “no evidence of disease” on an early CT scan brought profound relief and, unexpectedly, improved mental health; she now cares far less about others’ opinions and more about being present for her child and listening closely to her body.

Watch Laurel’s video and read through the edited transcript of her interview for more about her kidney cancer story.

  • Listening to new, severe, or persistent symptoms, like Laurel’s gallbladder attack, can sometimes reveal serious conditions such as early-stage kidney cancer and change the course of care
  • Delegating both the emotional and logistical load to trusted people, like family, nurse navigators, and clinicians, can make complex treatment and recovery more manageable
  • Taking symptoms seriously and advocating when “something doesn’t sit right” is not overreacting; it is an essential part of your health experience
  • Complications from treatment and other health issues, like gallstones, cholecystitis, and pancreatitis, can be more painful than kidney cancer surgery itself, and deserve equal attention and support
  • Laurel describes a powerful transformation: what she expected to be a long-term mental health burden instead became an experience that clarified her priorities, reduced worrying about others’ opinions, and deepened her focus on her son and her values

  • Name: Laurel M.
  • Age at Diagnosis:
    • 33
  • Diagnosis:
    • Kidney Cancer (Clear Cell Renal Cell Carcinoma)
  • Staging and Grade:
    • Stage 1, Grade 2
  • Symptom:
    • Gallbladder attack resulting in extreme pain in sternum
  • Treatment:
    • Surgery: partial nephrectomy
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Laurel M. kidney cancer
Laurel M. kidney cancer
Laurel M. kidney cancer
Laurel M. kidney cancer
Laurel M. kidney cancer

This interview has been edited for clarity and length. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider to make informed treatment decisions.

The views and opinions expressed in this interview do not necessarily reflect those of The Patient Story.



My name is Laurel

I’m from Manitoba, Canada. At age 33, I was diagnosed with clear cell renal cell carcinoma. It was stage one and grade two. 

This occurred in December 2024. I had my partial nephrectomy in January of 2025.

Hobbies, passions, and life in Manitoba

I really love just being outdoors any chance we get. 

We get all four seasons here. It goes from plus 40 Celsius sometimes in the summer on really hot days to almost minus 50 Celsius on cold days in the winter. Any chance we get the in-between weather, we are outside, whether it’s on the skating rink or building a toboggan slide in our backyard,  or we are just in the front garden. We live on a little river. I literally built a white picket fence around the garden at my house and attempt to garden when I have time. Some years are easier than others, but even when it’s weedy, I still find a little bit of joy in it.

I had a gallbladder attack that revealed I had kidney cancer

I was home alone with my son, who at the time was around nine months old, and I started getting this extreme pain in my sternum. It almost felt like a heart attack, to the point where it got so bad that I was afraid that if I called 911, they would not get to me in time. It was so extreme that I could not breathe. I live five minutes from a hospital that sometimes has an ER open. I took a chance and drove my son and myself there, basically hobbled through the door with him in one arm, and they ran to me, grabbed my baby, and immediately got me in. They did an EKG to make sure it was not a heart attack.

Thankfully, the ER doctor who was there that day had also had a gallbladder attack when she was postpartum after she had a child. It can be pretty common after pregnancy, and she recognized the symptoms right away and said, “This is a gallbladder attack.” Because I live in a rural area, that hospital did not have what they needed to do the ultrasound to confirm it. I had an appointment at a different hospital that I went to for that. 

When they did the ultrasound to confirm the gallbladder attack and find the gallstones, which they did, they also found a tumor on my left kidney.

Hearing there was a tumor on my kidney

I have a really good family doctor, and he shoots it to me pretty straight. I am the kind of person who appreciates that. I do not like sugarcoating things that are not sugarcoated. If it is bitter underneath, do not try to trick me with sugar on it. So he was pretty honest with me and said that most kidney tumors end up being cancerous.

The ER doctor from our rural hospital, when she got the report, even though I was technically not a patient there anymore, gave me a call and said she was referring me for an urgent CT scan. She went above and beyond as well. Then my own doctor was looped in, and that is how the process went once I found out it was a tumor. It was actually my husband’s 40th birthday, December 5th, when I got the call saying it was cancerous. After the CT confirmed it as much as a CT scan can, they did it with dye and were basically 99.9% certain it was cancer at that point.

Life as a new mom before diagnosis

Life was really good. The first three months of postpartum were really rough, but I was finally in that stage where I was loving being a mom. 

I was getting some sleep, and I was on maternity leave because in Canada, you can take up to 18 months. I had planned to take about 14 months, so I was getting close to the end of my maternity leave. I was really enjoying my time with my son, spending more time with family, and just really loving life.

Getting the exact kidney cancer diagnosis

Once I received the pathology report, they told me what type of kidney cancer it was, how aggressive it was, and were able to confirm it did not enter the vein there as well, so how likely it would be to spread. The pathology report gave those details. My family doctor got it before I even had my appointment with my urologist–oncologist. He gave me that printed-out report, which was really good.

By the time I went to see the urologist, the student there came in to try to give the report and misinformed me, telling me my margins were all clear. They actually were not, which I already knew because I had the pathology report myself. I just said, “No, they are not.” Then my oncologist came in and explained that, unfortunately, there was a little bit missed that did not look like a tumor. They had cut a really good size around it, and there were still some cancer cells found in one of the margins. He said that with the amount they had to cauterize my kidney, it is highly unlikely that any cancer cells were left. The cancer cells were still contained within the margin, so they did not hit the actual outside. He was pretty confident that, despite the margins not being clear, the cancer cells were all removed.

My kidney cancer treatment plan and surgery options

The first option was a laparoscopic partial nephrectomy. Based on the imaging they had, they said once they were in there, they might need to do a full nephrectomy and open surgery. 

I signed off on all that ahead of time as well — basically, do what you need to do to get it out. The plan going in was always surgery based on the information we had.

Going in for kidney surgery

It was really an out-of-body experience because this all happened so fast, thankfully. Here, urology is really backed up. Most people have to wait months to get even cancer surgery. I had a lot of people on my team who pushed it forward more. They do not often see young moms come in with kidney cancer, so I think they were really empathetic to the fact that I am not an 80-year-old man. I am a young mom with a child at home. I had a baby in their office with me, and I think that had an impact.

There were numerous people. I had a nurse advocate who called offices, took the time to explain my situation, and really pushed forward for me to have that appointment sooner. I found out about the tumor at the end of November, got the call on December 5th about it likely being cancer, and by January 3rd, it was time for my surgery. 

It all happened so fast that I think I was temporarily emotionally paralyzed and was just so excited that I did not have to wait. The worst stage of cancer is the wait between when you find out and when a solution starts to take action. I was very fortunate that I did not have to linger in that phase as long as a lot of people do.

Recovering after my partial nephrectomy and gallbladder surgery

I could not lift my baby for six weeks. That was really hard. They had not taken out my gallbladder yet because they were just kind of like, “Who cares about the gallstones? We need to get rid of this cancer.” They hoped the gallstones would not cause me trouble. Three days before my partial nephrectomy, I started projectile vomiting again and having episodes from the gallstones. Because the surgery for my kidney was on my left side and the surgery for the gallstones would be on the right side, they did not have the capacity to tackle both at the same time, and at the time, they did not think they needed to. They thought I was just having an episode and hoped I would not go through it again during recovery.

By mid-January, I started having severe gallbladder attacks, which compromised my comfort during recovery. I ended up back in the hospital needing emergency surgery to have my gallbladder removed about two weeks after my partial nephrectomy. They had wanted to wait at least three months to put me under general anesthesia again, ideally. There was no option at that point. I could not eat or drink fluids at all without getting severely ill. Because of the wait to remove my gallbladder, I developed cholecystitis, inflammation around the gallbladder. The gallstones had traveled outside of it. I developed jaundice and started turning yellow. I was like a Simpson at one point.

This was even after my gallbladder was removed. I ended up being in the hospital longer for that than I did for my partial nephrectomy, because I needed an ERCP to remove the gallstones and then developed pancreatitis. That was the month of January. The first bit of my recovery looked like a fluke situation where, wow, thank goodness this gallbladder attack helped catch my cancer, but it was very painful and compromised my recovery. I had two surgeries back-to-back and then, as I said, developed jaundice and pancreatitis because of the stent they had to put in because of the gallstones. I was not fully pain-free until about May.

Comparing pain: Kidney surgery vs. gallbladder complications

It is a tough call. The gallbladder issues were more painful in the moment than the partial nephrectomy. When I gave birth, I had to be induced without an epidural, which was highly painful. I do not recommend it. The gallbladder pain was up there with that, but for days and days and days. I would say the whole jaundice, pancreatitis, gallstone situation was a lot more painful than the partial nephrectomy.

Thankfully, they managed to do the partial nephrectomy laparoscopically. It was still very sore, and I had to regain muscle mass, deal with scar tissue, and pain from the cauterization they had to do on my kidney. I developed a bit of a hematoma from that. 

Overall, the complications I had from the gallstones were more painful than the partial nephrectomy, but the pain specifically from the partial nephrectomy lasted until about May before it was fully gone. That was because of the hematoma, they said, mostly because they had to cauterize so much.

Processing a kidney cancer diagnosis after everything happened so fast

I did not process it until afterwards. When going through a crisis, I turn off the emotional side of my brain and think, “I have to think logically.” Because it was so extreme, I had moments where that would slip, and in those moments, I thought I was going to have a panic attack. Then I would collect myself and say I needed to focus on problem-solving: how can I get this fixed as fast as possible, and who can I delegate to?

I like to research a lot and know my stuff, but my sister works in research as a project coordinator, so I knew I could rely on her to read the studies and advocate for me. She came to a lot of my appointments with me. I delegated tasks to her to take care of a lot of that for me. My other sister was basically my nanny and took care of my son a lot.

The hardest part emotionally: Writing a will for my son

The hardest part emotionally, before surgery, was realizing I did not have a will and that I had to write that out for my son. I still get emotional about it, because no one wants to write that when they are faced with a really serious situation. It is something I wish I had done when life was fine. It puts you in a spot where you are thinking, “What if something does happen to me, and he will have no memories of me?”

I put together an album on my computer of a bunch of photos and memories for him. I wrote him a letter and put together a general will as well, making sure I had all my affairs in order. That was hard to do after such a serious diagnosis.

Coping with kidney cancer as a young mom

I manage by knowing what is in my control and what is not, and knowing that once I have the information, I can problem-solve and do the best I can with the cards I have been dealt. I cannot choose those cards. I am not the dealer, but I can choose what I do with them and how I manage them. I always joke that I am the luckiest unlucky person ever, because of the number of times I have heard the word “rare” the last couple of years, but then something miraculous always happens. Getting in for my surgery on January 3rd, even though I was told it would be months, is an example.

I manage by believing that it is going to work out, not just by relying on miracles, but by finding solutions to help push it along, and making sure that if there are miracles going to happen, I do everything in my power to assist that.

How cancer changed my outlook on life

I definitely look at life differently now. It is one of those “Be careful what you wish for” things. I used to think it would be nice not to care so much what other people think. I want to be the best mom I can be, and to be that, I need to make sure I am putting my son before other people’s thoughts. When you get diagnosed with cancer, it has a funny way of suddenly making you really not care what other people think, and realizing that your life is yours and that it can change rapidly, even overnight.

Imagine it being your last day and making decisions based on the thoughts of others — not even their actual thoughts, but your thoughts of what other people’s thoughts are, which are not always accurate. We always have this narrative in our head, especially as women, of what other people are going to think if we pursue this or if we do that. Often, it is a narrative we have made up ourselves. Even if it is not, who cares?

Seeing “No Evidence of Disease” on my scan

I found out I had no evidence of disease when I had a CT scan earlier than planned. My family doctor ordered it because of the pancreatic stent. Because of all the gallbladder issues, I ended up having an earlier CT in May, and it came back showing there was no cancer. There was no evidence of disease.

It was such a weight off my shoulders. It was such a good feeling. It gives you more mental freedom. I know that can change. I have my one-year follow-up coming up in January, but I am not really worried about it. The strange thing is, I thought this would impact my life in such a negative way mentally, and it has kind of had the opposite effect.

Mental health after cancer and the role of therapy

I thought I would live my life in worry and be so paranoid. There are moments of that — anytime something happens, or you get sick, you get worried, or you have pains. Nowadays, people see things on the internet and worry like that anyway. If anything, the cancer has helped my mental health in the long run. Once I went to therapy and processed a lot of it and addressed how I felt about it, that was important.

Overall, the negatives have not outweighed the positives. The negatives really do not outweigh the positives of it mentally, because it has released a lot of nonsense from my mind that did not matter.

Advocating for myself and support from my care team

I did have to advocate for myself, but I also had a lot of help. There was my doctor, my sister, myself, and then the cancer care nurse advocate. I forget the exact title, but it is a program in Manitoba for people recently diagnosed with cancer. Those nurses help bridge the gap to make sure no one slips through the cracks. Their job is to advocate for you and connect you with resources for you or your family, mental health resources, information, and someone you can reach out to with questions while you wait. She really advocated for me.

Even the receptionist at the urology office played a role in advocating for me because she was the one who talked to the nurse. Everyone played a part. My oncologist–urologist also advocated for me. When I had my initial appointment with him, he said it would probably be a couple of months until he could get me in. I said okay. A couple of hours later, when I got home, an unknown number called. I picked it up, and he said, “Laurel, it is Dr. Sharon.” I said, “Oh, hi.” He said, “How does next Friday sound?” I think it was about a week and a half from my first appointment with him to when he booked me in for surgery. A couple of hours earlier, he told me it would be months, and it ended up being days.

He and the team really played a role. I can only imagine he had to manage his schedule, call up anesthesiologists, and not overpromise in my appointment. This was right after New Year’s. For all I know, maybe he even had the day off. There were strings pulled, and they suddenly got me in within a couple of days.

Navigating motherhood while facing cancer and my son’s illness

There have been some hard times. My son had recently been sick. He is such a happy little guy. He makes being a mom so easy. He is so funny, and I truly enjoy his company. He is such a character. On October 6th, he spontaneously stopped walking out of nowhere. He went from being a super-active, typical toddler boy to not walking, irritable, having all these issues, and not eating.

I took him to the hospital five separate times. They said it was some form of post-viral illness and eventually thought it was post-viral arthritis. Something did not sit right with me. It just did not make sense. I kept advocating and took him to his pediatrician, who assessed him and agreed it did not seem like post-viral arthritis. I called rheumatology, where he was referred, talked to the nurse, and said I needed an immediate reevaluation. They got us in as soon as possible and referred him to a neurologist. There is only one pediatric neurologist who does these tests between Manitoba and Saskatchewan.

As soon as she was back in Manitoba, she saw my son, did the tests that were required, and confirmed he did not have post-viral arthritis. He had Guillain-Barré syndrome. It is a post-viral illness that attacks the nervous system. That was five weeks of him being unable to walk on his own, and he has recently started walking on his own again. He is such a trooper. She said he should have been immediately hospitalized and treated with a drug that calms down the immune system, and we are very fortunate that, miraculously, he just started recovering.

I was back at work for two weeks. I had taken time off work to process everything from the cancer and make sure mentally I was able to take that on again. I was back for two weeks when this happened, and then had to go back on unpaid leave to take care of him. I have been off since around October 6th, just caring for him at home until he is better.

Hearing “It’s so rare” again and again

They said those words again: “It is so rare.” It is so rare, especially in toddlers. 

I would prefer not to hear that phrase anymore.

Advice for others facing cancer or supporting a loved one

Delegate to people you trust. Delegate the mental load and the physical load. People will hopefully step up for you and offer, and when they do, accept that help. I do not know what I would do without the people who helped me, whether emotionally or by taking care of my son. I could not hold him for six weeks, and my husband had to go to work because I was not working. We were not expecting me to be off work that long. Accept the help.

Another thing is to try to live within your means in case this happens to you. When something like this happens, it is going to be a financial burden. Having savings or making sure you are living within your means and not stretching too thin, even if you seem healthy, is important. You just do not know. That can mean life insurance or other insurance that covers you if you get cancer or need time off work. Find a way to prepare financially for emergencies like this.

Financial preparedness and the cost of cancer and caregiving

It is important. I do not know what I would do if I had to go back to work sooner than I did, or even now. I had to prioritize my health and then prioritize my son’s health. It is bad luck that all of this happened within one year, during which I could not work again. It is mind-boggling. 

Had we not been in a financially safe space, the stress that finances can cause — I cannot fathom how much worse this would have been.

Listening to your body and not delaying care

Some topics feel almost too sensitive because you do not want to scare people. You hear how rare it is in young people for this to happen, but then you are also hearing how often it is happening now in young people. Do not delay if you notice serious, consistent changes in your body. Not every cancer will have signs, but sometimes whatever else is going on in your body might be trying to point you in a direction.

In my case, it was not my kidney cancer that made me go to the hospital, but I listened to my body and went to the emergency. In the past, I was not always good at that. I would go to the doctor too late for things. The timing lined up so that it helped catch something else. Even if cancer does not produce symptoms, something else might, and it can help save your life if you listen to your body.


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“What in the World Is Wrong With Your Lung?” Taylor’s Lung Carcinoid Tumor Story

“What in the World Is Wrong With Your Lung?” Taylor’s Lung Carcinoid Tumor Story

Taylor’s lung carcinoid tumor (lung cancer) experience began at just 21 while attending college, where she was living what many would consider the dream: playing Division 1 (D1) soccer and excelling academically. But unexplained symptoms like numbness and fatigue began to disrupt her day-to-day life and athletic goals. Despite repeated tests, her lung cancer symptoms (and her parent’s advocacy) were dismissed as minor, a common challenge younger patients face.

Interviewed by: Keshia Rice
Edited by: Chris Sanchez

Persistent recurrent pneumonia ultimately led Taylor to the emergency room, where a CT scan revealed a collapsed lung and a mass. That moment marked the turning point: both her self-image and her family’s role became central as her mom tirelessly advocated for more thorough investigation, ultimately resulting in Taylor’s diagnosis of lung cancer (specifically, a carcinoid tumor, which is a kind of neuroendocrine tumor). Their search led Taylor to a world-class surgical team at the Duke Cancer Institute, where she had surgery, including a minimally invasive lobectomy.

Taylor D. lung cancer

Navigating her lung cancer treatment was physically and emotionally demanding, but it ignited Taylor’s commitment to patient self-advocacy. She found herself at the forefront of challenging lung cancer stigma, especially the misconception that only smokers get lung cancer. Taylor’s experience highlights the importance of compassion and personalized care, regardless of background or risk factors.

Taylor’s lung cancer experience is marked by active advocacy, transparency about her IVF process, and grounded family support. Her approach encourages others facing lung cancer to seek second opinions, empower themselves with information, and never underestimate the value of dedicated care partners. 

Watch Taylor’s video or read the edited transcript of her interview to find out more about her story.

  • Early symptoms of lung cancer can be subtle and easily overlooked, especially in younger patients
  • Surgery and recovery for lung cancer come with profound physical and emotional challenges
  • Breaking lung cancer stigma creates space for compassion, regardless of patient history
  • Advocacy transforms patients into empowered partners within their care teams
  • Every patient deserves to be seen, heard, and supported: a universal truth for anyone facing a serious health diagnosis

  • Name: Taylor D.
  • Age at Diagnosis:
    • 21
  • Diagnosis:
    • Lung Cancer (Carcinoid Tumor)
  • Staging:
    • Stage 1B
  • Symptoms:
    • Numbness and tingling in toes
    • Fatigue and shortness of breath, leading to inability to pass fitness test required to play Division 1 soccer
  • Treatment:
    • Surgeries: video-assisted thoracoscopic surgeries (VATS): left upper lobectomy, lingula removal
Taylor D. lung cancer
Taylor D. lung cancer
Taylor D. lung cancer
Taylor D. lung cancer
Taylor D. lung cancer
Taylor D. lung cancer
Taylor D. lung cancer

This interview has been edited for clarity and length. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider to make informed treatment decisions.

The views and opinions expressed in this interview do not necessarily reflect those of The Patient Story.



My name is Taylor

My name is Taylor, and I was diagnosed with lung cancer when I was 21. In 2007, I was diagnosed with what they call a [lung] carcinoid tumor, which was about four centimeters in my left upper lobe. At the time, it would have been considered stage 1B.

How my diagnosis unfolded

My entire childhood, my dream was to play Division 1 college soccer, and I was able to achieve that dream. I was offered to play at East Carolina University in Greenville, North Carolina. I arrived in my freshman year in the best shape of my life, or so I thought. I started having issues with numbness and tingling in my toes, and I was unable to pass a fitness test required by the university to play.

We ran at 5 a.m. every Tuesday until everyone passed. As the weeks went by, I was the only one who hadn’t passed, which really didn’t make sense considering how much time I spent playing. We started doing tests, nerve conduction study, MRI, chest X-ray, several other things, but nothing was really showing up as the cause of my symptoms: numbness in my toes and being fatigued and out of breath.

Eventually, I thought that maybe I was making this up, maybe nothing was really wrong. My coach gave me some grace, and I could still play, but after my freshman year, I decided maybe I was burned out. Maybe this wasn’t right for me. I quit playing soccer, which, if you know anything about Division 1 college athletes, is pretty unusual.

My parents were concerned, even worried, since I’d dedicated my entire childhood to playing soccer. I got involved in a sorority and started living the average college life. About a year later, I kept getting recurrent pneumonia, which is actually how I got diagnosed. We had another chest X-ray. At the time, they did not tell me further follow-up was needed, but when we got my medical records, we learned it was recommended.

What ultimately led to my diagnosis was ending up in the emergency room on a Saturday at 11 p.m., thinking my appendix was rupturing. They did a CT of my abdomen and pelvis. When the doctor walked in, she said, “Your stomach, abdomen, and appendix look okay. You have a cyst or two on your ovaries, but for someone your age, that’s fairly normal. But what in the world is wrong with your lung?” My sister and I were alone; my parents were on a Boy Scout trip without cell service. The doctor said, “You have a four-centimeter mass, and your left lung is almost completely collapsed. Are you having trouble breathing?” Immediately, I thought, maybe that’s why I couldn’t pass the fitness test.

That started my diagnosis. I had a bronchoscopy and all the tests to get a confirmed diagnosis, but that’s how it happened.

Being diagnosed at 21

It was shocking. You think you’re invincible as a college kid — you’re healthy, you’re having fun, cancer shouldn’t hit you at 21. 

For me, there is a family history of lung cancer. I’ve lost my grandmother, great-grandfather, and great-uncle to lung cancer. I wasn’t terribly surprised, given my family history. 

As a 21-year-old, never-smoking, former Division One college athlete, I didn’t fit the typical profile of someone who gets lung cancer.

Age bias and early advocacy

I mentioned the chest X-ray done at Student Health. My mom had tried to advocate for me two hours away — she knew I kept getting sick and that we had a family history. She asked the doctor to do a CT scan and explained the symptoms and history, but the provider told my mom she was being dramatic and that 21-year-olds, especially Division 1 athletes, don’t get lung cancer. Eventually, he did a chest X-ray, told me everything was fine, gave me a Z-Pak, and sent me on my way. 

Later, when my mom got my records after I was diagnosed, we learned the radiologist had recommended follow-up from that chest X-ray, but no one had told me. That could have been an opportunity for quicker diagnosis, and for many people, it could have affected their prognosis.

Parental advocacy and second opinions

Although my later diagnosis did not change my particular prognosis, with my kind of lung cancer being slow-growing, for many, a delayed diagnosis can change everything. 

My parents were instrumental in getting a second opinion for me. After my confirmed diagnosis, I was seen in Wilmington, North Carolina, where no fellowship-trained cardiothoracic surgeon was available; just a general surgeon willing to remove my lung with a large incision. 

Thankfully, my parents researched the best place for me, and I ended up at an NCI-designated cancer center at Duke, where I was treated by one of the world’s leading thoracic surgeons. Their advocacy was critical for my outcome.

My treatment experience

Compared to many, I had it easier. 

In 2007, there weren’t systemic options for carcinoids; surgery was the only treatment. I had a left upper lobectomy and lingula removal via minimally invasive video-assisted thoracoscopic surgery (VATS). It’s a small keyhole incision on my left side between ribs, plus a 2-3 inch incision under my left breast to pull the lung out. 

The recovery was difficult, both physically and emotionally. I wasn’t prepared for the pain, and healing from that was the most challenging part. After surgery, they told me, “Hopefully, we’ll get clean margins, and you’ll be scanned every three months, then less often if there’s no evidence of disease.”

I did have clean margins, so my staging was T2N0M0: no nodes positive, no metastatic disease. I didn’t need chemo or radiation. If I’d had progression or my nodes were positive, I’m not sure systemic therapy would have helped anyway. I’m definitely one of the lucky ones, especially considering my tumor’s size.

How I deal with stigma

Initially, I’d just say, “No, I wasn’t a smoker” when people asked. At 21, even if I had smoked, I would’ve had to start at two years old. It’s an unreasonable question. It doesn’t matter if you’re a smoker or not; no one, despite their lifestyle, deserves cancer. Clinically, I understand the physician’s perspective, but otherwise it’s irrelevant. I’ve worked to change the stigma — being public about my diagnosis — because the stereotype that only smokers get lung cancer is so harmful.

We don’t blame people who are obese and get breast cancer, or people who drink and get liver cancer. Why blame smokers? Many started before it was even known to be harmful; cigarettes were given out free to military personnel. Regardless of whether they smoked, people deserve compassion. Now, if someone asks, “Did you smoke?” I reply, “Does that make you care less?” Honestly, it’s irrelevant and quite rude.

My advocacy activities

I’ve been fortunate to speak publicly, especially early on after my diagnosis. My physician first suggested advocacy at my three-month follow-up after surgery, when I was emotionally low. He said, “We need your voice. Do you know the facts about lung cancer?” He explained it’s the number one cancer killer of men and women, more deadly than breast, prostate, and colon cancers combined, yet it’s the least funded major cancer.

He also stressed that only 15% of lung cancer patients survive. He invited me to speak at a conference, sharing my story, and that was my advocacy start. I’ve worked with the North Carolina Lung Cancer Alliance, Bonnie J Foundation (now the GO2 Foundation), Lungevity, and other groups, as well as industry partners. Projects like Your Cancer Game Plan help patients create action plans. I also help educate medical device sales forces about the need for quick, early diagnosis. I now work in the industry, which feels full circle.

Biomarker testing and research progress

In 2007, there were no known biomarkers for lung cancer; Tarceva for EGFR mutations came a year or two later. 

At that time, it was “get your chemo, get your radiation, and pray.” 

We’ve come a long way in 18 years, and I wish I’d known whether I had mutations, but it wasn’t available then.

Living with uncertainty and being in remission

Early on, I struggled with anxiety. I was scanned every three months, then every six months, then yearly after three years. A year felt like a long time. I have two small ground glass nodules in my lung from before the resection, and they’re always on my mind. My surgeon is confident they’re not cancerous, but the uncertainty is always there. I was scanned until year 13. 

Now, my physician, PA, and I have decided the risk of more CT scans outweighs the benefits of continued monitoring. Some might say I’m “cured,” but I prefer “healed.” Whatever happens, I’ll be okay. My faith sustains me.

Recently, I had pain in my upper right abdomen. An ultrasound showed my liver was enlarged, possibly due to recent Tylenol use. They wanted to do a CT of my abdomen and pelvis; I insisted they also scan my chest to check my lungs, and after explaining my history, they agreed. 

Such conversations remind me: you never stop living with the diagnosis, even 18 years later.

Motherhood, my IVF experience, and advocacy

My diagnosis turned me into a lifelong healthcare advocate. Some doctors probably groan when they see me; I’m persistent. I’m open about my IVF journey since speaking out helps other women. I wasn’t having trouble getting pregnant, but staying pregnant. I had two miscarriages and two D&Cs. After the second, I insisted on blood work and a semen analysis for my husband before trying again. The physician reluctantly agreed, and test results changed everything: my AMH was very low, indicating diminished ovarian reserve. We moved straight to IVF, since levels can drop quickly, and I didn’t want an only child if possible.

Advocacy made my family possible. If I’d tried a third time on my own, another miscarriage or a long pregnancy could have dropped my AMH further and made a second child impossible.

Family and spousal support

My husband, Robert, is amazing. Social media was barely a thing in 2007, so our story isn’t documented online. We met two weeks before my diagnosis, after a flag football game where I dislocated my finger; he was the opposing team’s coach. He came to check on me, then messaged me on Facebook.

His commitment is genuine love. If I’d met someone and learned two weeks later they had lung cancer, I might have walked away. He didn’t; he dived in headfirst. The first time he met my parents was at Duke Hospital, while I was in the ICU, still in his practice clothes as a high school basketball coach. He stayed overnight so my parents could rest. He’s always been supportive, especially as my advocacy work and travel increased after having children.

Challenges and opportunities in healthcare

We have come a long way, but there is still more to do. Lung cancer screening now exists — when I was diagnosed, it didn’t — but patients who qualify must get screened. This requires awareness from patients and encouragement from clinicians. Providers should recommend lung cancer screening with the same urgency as mammograms or colonoscopies.

I’d love to see everyone get screening, not just those meeting strict criteria. Targetable mutations now allow specific therapies for many patients. Data shows that if you get the right therapy for your cancer, outcomes improve. Yet it’s shocking how many patients aren’t offered biomarker testing upfront. In my view, that should be malpractice.

Not all cancer centers are NCI-designated, but good care exists at community oncologists nationwide. Get care locally, obtain a second opinion from a major center when possible, or even virtually. Advocate for yourself. The system is complex, options are numerous, and it’s easy to fall through the cracks.

Words for my younger self

If I could go back and speak to my 21-year-old self, I’d tell her to buckle up. Whatever hand you’re dealt, you can do it. 

My mom always said to bloom where you’re planted and leave things better than you found them. That’s been my outlook.

I try to make a difference for others, so anyone dealt the hand I was dealt gets a shot at a better outcome.

Advice for newly diagnosed patients

I spend a lot of time talking to patients, whether through friends or direct outreach. The first thing I tell everyone is to get a second opinion and ensure they’ve had biomarker testing. Make sure you’ve seen an interventional pulmonologist for proper staging and diagnosis, and that treatment aligns with NCCN guidelines.

Prepare for surgery. I talk about the pain and what patients can do to survive it. If you’re getting a lung resection, get a recliner at home. 

There are so many tips and tricks you only learn by experience, so I try to be a cheerleader and champion so patients have the best experience possible.


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Regina J., Lung Neuroendocrine Tumor



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Hayley O., Pancreatic Neuroendocrine Tumor (pNET)



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Living With Incurable Stage 4 ALK+ Lung Cancer: How Stephanie Redefines Hope

Living With Incurable (Not Terminal) Stage 4 ALK+ Lung Cancer: How Stephanie Redefines Hope

When Stephanie was diagnosed with stage 4 ALK-positive lung cancer at 44, she was a busy mom of two teenage daughters, working full time and spending weekends skiing, traveling, and cheering from the sidelines at club sports. The first signs that something was wrong showed up as a stubborn cough after COVID and repeated “pneumonia” diagnoses. Even as she cycled through antibiotics and inhalers, she kept pushing through work and parenting — until she had a coughing spell violent enough to break a rib, which finally sent her to the emergency room.

Interviewed by: Keshia Rice
Edited by: Chris Sanchez

In the hospital, imaging revealed tumors in multiple parts of her body, and a biopsy confirmed non-small cell lung cancer that had already spread, making the diagnosis stage 4. Stephanie, a lifelong nonsmoker living outside a city, had never imagined that lung cancer could be possible for her. Like many, she had absorbed the stigma that lung cancer is an “old person’s” or “smoker’s” disease. Learning that her cancer was driven by an ALK mutation completely shifted that narrative and opened the door to targeted therapy and a very different kind of long-term experience with cancer.

Stephanie K. ALK+ lung cancer

While waiting on genomic testing, Stephanie started chemotherapy. She received the call confirming ALK-positive lung cancer while she was literally in the infusion chair and with an IV already in her arm. Her doctor explained that, in the world of lung cancer, being ALK-positive was considered “good news” because there were effective targeted therapies and active clinical trials. Stephanie chose to enroll in a clinical trial designed to match standard-of-care results with fewer side effects and better protection against brain metastases. She describes that decision as both an act of “paying it forward” and a way to potentially spare herself from harsher side effects.

At home, Stephanie and her husband faced the emotional logistics of sharing the news with their daughters. They first mentioned only that she had lung cancer, intentionally holding off on the stage 4 details until scans began to show real treatment response. Months later, after multiple scans showed shrinking tumors, they sat each daughter down individually to talk about what “incurable but not terminal” would mean for their family. 

Today, one year into treatment, Stephanie describes her cancer as a chronic, managed disease, and herself as an advocate who now centers her time and energy on what matters most: her health, her family, and helping other people living with stage 4 ALK-positive lung cancer feel less alone.

Watch Stephanie’s video and browse the edited transcript of her interview to learn more.

  • Persistent or changing symptoms like a chronic cough or unexplained pain deserve follow-up and imaging, even when they are initially labeled as “just pneumonia” or a lingering infection
  • Lung cancer can affect younger, active nonsmokers; anyone with lungs can develop lung cancer, which is why genomic testing for mutations such as ALK is so important
  • Clinical trials and targeted therapies for ALK-positive lung cancer can offer effective treatment options, sometimes with fewer side effects and additional benefits, like better protection against brain metastases
  • Asking for help from loved ones, care teams, and communities is not a sign of weakness; it is a powerful form of self-advocacy that can make the experience more manageable for both patients and families
  • Stephanie’s transformation includes shifting from a fiercely independent, always-last-on-the-list mom to someone who prioritizes her physical, emotional, and mental health and channels her experience into advocacy and education

  • Name: Stephanie K.
  • Age at Diagnosis:
    • 37
  • Diagnosis:
    • Non-Small Cell Lung Cancer (NSCLC)
  • Staging:
    • Stage 4
  • Mutation:
    • ALK
  • Symptoms:
    • Persistent, intense cough
    • General feeling of sluggishness
  • Treatments:
    • Chemotherapy
    • Targeted therapy through a clinical trial
    • Radiation therapy
Stephanie K. ALK+ lung cancer
Stephanie K. ALK+ lung cancer
Stephanie K. ALK+ lung cancer
Stephanie K. ALK+ lung cancer
Stephanie K. ALK+ lung cancer
Stephanie K. ALK+ lung cancer
Stephanie K. ALK+ lung cancer
Stephanie K. ALK+ lung cancer
Stephanie K. ALK+ lung cancer

This interview has been edited for clarity and length. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider to make informed treatment decisions.

The views and opinions expressed in this interview do not necessarily reflect those of The Patient Story.



I’m Stephanie

I’m from Massachusetts, and I was diagnosed with stage four ALK-positive non-small cell lung cancer in December of 2024.​

My life before cancer was a life full of hope and fun. I have two teenage daughters, and I’m married to my high school sweetheart, and we have been doing all kinds of great things. We go skiing. We travel. We both work full-time, while the girls are in high school and doing their thing. Right before diagnosis, I was very sick, and we thought I had pneumonia. So the right before diagnosis was a lot of coughing and a lot of inhalers and things like that. But the before life was one of more travel, adventure, activity, things like that.​

My early symptoms: coughing and feeling sluggish

As a mom, we put ourselves last. So when I was sick, I just thought it was a quick cold. I had just gotten over COVID, actually, and then I had a couple of great weeks, and then I started coughing again. So I thought it was just a little residual congestion from having COVID, and it just escalated, and the cough just wouldn’t go away. I didn’t really have other cold symptoms. I had just a terrible, hacking cough. It wouldn’t be resolved with any over-the-counter medication. Using cough drops didn’t help. I used an inhaler, like a steam inhaler, at night for some kind of relief, but nothing was doing the trick.​

So I did brush it off for a while and figured, “I’ll just deal with this later because I’m working full-time.” It was a busy time for me at work, and eventually I hit up the urgent care and figured that’s good enough. We’ll just get some kind of antibiotic and move along my way. After a few more weeks with antibiotics, nothing changed. It got worse. I went through more antibiotics and had a chest X-ray. The second time, they said it was pneumonia again, and we had new antibiotics. But again, I was still going to work every day, just going through the cycle of trying to pull yourself together and get everything you need to do done.​

It wasn’t until maybe eight weeks later, from my first visit to an urgent care, that I was coughing so hard that I actually broke a rib. I felt it snap as I coughed, and when that happened, the pain was actually what finally sent me to the hospital instead of an urgent care. The pain of that coughing was intense. I wasn’t going to the hospital with the concern of the cough. I was going because I needed pain medication that was stronger than ibuprofen.​

When I got there, they took a look at me and were like, “Did you have imaging done recently? Because we think it’s important that we do that again.” The ER doctor came in fairly quickly and decided he was going to admit me, which I thought was strange because, again, I still just thought I had a cold. I had pneumonia. I figured he was just admitting me because of the pain from the broken rib. It was actually a couple of days before I realized he was admitting me for more than pneumonia. I think they danced delicately around what they were testing me for at first, maybe to not scare me.​

On my second day in the hospital, when they told me I’d be getting a biopsy the next day, I was like, “Why would I need a biopsy for pneumonia? This is silly.” That was the reality for me of just how I pushed it aside for a long time. I mean, not very long — eight weeks maybe — that I was kind of just pushing it aside as a cold, and then it became real very suddenly for me.​

I was a young nonsmoker: how risk factors were missed

Absolutely, my age played a role, especially not having a history of smoking. That really was part of the lack, I think, of pushing quicker to get the diagnosis because I didn’t have your typical risk factors. I live in a pretty wooded area. I’m not in a city, so they weren’t thinking about air pollution. I don’t use a wood-burning or coal-burning stove in my house, so they weren’t thinking about it like that. I don’t smoke, and I was, again, 44 years old and fairly healthy. So we didn’t go there very quickly.​

What they saw in my lungs on the X-rays at urgent care looked like pneumonia to them. Without those other risk factors, they really didn’t say, “Well, it could be something else, so we should test just to make sure.” They said, “Hey, it’s the season. It’s September, October, November. People get sick. A lot of pneumonia is going around right now. You’re young, you’re healthy. It’s just that. Let’s treat it.”​

I wasn’t diagnosied until that hospitalization. But also very randomly in November, I had a couple of blood clots in my leg. Having the DVT in my leg finally made my PCP say, “Something doesn’t sound right here,” because that shouldn’t be happening. You don’t have any other reasons for that either. She referred me to a pulmonologist and a hematologist, whom I wouldn’t be able to see until February or March because they were booked so far out. Since I didn’t have your typical risk factors, they didn’t see it as urgent.​

For me, it was like, “Well, if you think something’s going on and there are some other puzzle pieces, I’m concerned.” I actually did start making calls to see if there was anybody I could meet with earlier. It was probably a two-week span between when she sent me a referral for hematology and when I actually went into the hospital and found out it was, in fact, lung cancer. I certainly wasn’t thinking lung cancer, though. I was more concerned with, like, why do you want me to see a hematologist? For whatever reason, I wanted to get there faster because, whatever you think this might be, I want to tackle it and get a solution in place quickly.​

I confronted lung cancer stigma as a nonsmoker

When you tell people you have lung cancer, the first question is, “Do you smoke?” I knew nothing of lung cancer before having it myself. I didn’t have any experience with anybody who’d had it before. I also believed in the stigma of, “It’s a smoker’s or old person’s cancer. It’s not something that you can just get out of the blue.”​

I’d never heard of a genomic test for any sort of cancer other than breast cancer and the BRCA gene. That’s the only time I’d ever heard of some kind of cancer test you could get to find out if you have the gene.​

When I was first diagnosed in the hospital, I had tumors on each of my ovaries, lesions in my spine, on my liver, and in my lungs. All I knew, though, was my ovaries, because I had a little sensitivity on my side. When they pushed on my stomach, I’d say, “Yeah, it hurts.” When they said I needed to do a biopsy, it was like, “Oh, it’s got to be something on my ovary.​“

They came back and said, “It’s cancer.” They just said, “It’s cancer.” I obviously was upset. But then my nurse was like, “Yeah, but if it’s ovarian cancer, that’s a quick and easy thing that we’ll just take out. You don’t want to have children anymore, so we can remove all of the parts that could be affected right now. I promise you, you’re going to be in great hands.” So I had this really different hope that it was just a tumor situation. We’d just remove it; we’re going to be fine.​

The following day, I was told that it was actually lung cancer and that they had biopsied my liver. The liver is what showed the lung cancer on the slides. Because I didn’t have the classic risk factors, the concern was that it was probably a genomic defect, a mutation. As we were starting to figure out what this was, the doctor mentioned that there could be these genetic tests that we needed to do, and we needed to button up whether it was just straight-up non-small cell lung cancer or if there was an actual mutation that we were up against, because you treat them differently. I also didn’t know that. In my head, you have cancer, you get chemo. That’s as far as I’d been aware of it.​

I was the first person in my family — my parents, my aunts, my uncles, my grandparents — to get cancer. It’s been a very healthy bloodline to date, and I was just shocked at what we’ve learned. I would say that what I learned about, “Every person with lungs can get lung cancer,” was only once I was one of those people, one of those lungs with lung cancer. That’s when I learned it really can be anyone with any risk factor. All you have to do is be breathing, basically, and you have that risk factor.​

Hearing “Stage 4” at 44, and redefining terminal vs. incurable

Hearing “stage 4” was terrifying. It was shocking. I think shock was probably the first thing, because I didn’t even know I was that sick. I knew I was sick with a cold. I knew I was sick with pneumonia. But to think you’re going to tell me I have cancer and it’s stage four already — how in the world did I not know? In my mind, you must have cancer for a really long time for it to get to be at stage 4. Unchecked cancer for a really long time, for it to grow.​

It was probably a matter of months, to be honest, because I was well in the summertime. To think about the fact that I started coughing in the fall and was diagnosed in early December — that was only a matter of months. It was a horrible shock at 44. When you’re not exposed to cancer with other people you know and your family members, you hear the word “stage 4,” and you immediately go to the word “terminal.” At 44, that’s a really scary thought because you just immediately think, “How long do I have? I am halfway through this existence that I thought I had. How are you telling me I’ve got a limited number of, I don’t know, months? Weeks? What are you even going to tell me?​“

The best thing that my doctors did was they never gave me a date. They never said, “You have an expiration date.” When we got to the point of understanding the mutation that I do have, because I’m ALK-positive, there are so many advancements and treatments that I can have, that people are living longer and longer at the stage four level. We’ve changed our language here at my house. We do not use the term “terminal” at all. We say “incurable cancer.”​

Even if I get to a point where there is no evidence of disease, I will always have this gene that’s just kind of waiting in the wings to come back out and scare me again. I recognize that I will be on medication for the rest of my life, making it more like a chronic illness. I need to keep that gene at bay. Keeping it under control, making sure it doesn’t come back and come up bigger by taking these medications, makes this something for me that I will never beat. It’s always in my system. I will never beat this cancer. That’s why it’s incurable, but not terminal. Because it’s not a timeline for me. It’s not a deadline. It’s not saying you only have so long to go. It’s just saying we’re going to work really hard to keep you as healthy as possible for as long as possible. It’s incurable, but we can manage this.​

Learning about ALK-positive lung cancer and targeted therapy

Because of the timing of when I was diagnosed and how fast it had already gone to so many areas of my body, the doctors felt it would be best to have one round of chemo while I was waiting for the genetic test to come back, because it’s not always guaranteed how fast it’s going to come back for each patient. It was just coming up to Christmas time, so there was also something about not being sure of where that test would end up on a lab bench somewhere, how fast it would get there. We scheduled my first round of chemotherapy for December 23rd last year.​

As I was sitting in that chair with my husband across from me, the phone rang, and I ignored it because it was some weird number from Pennsylvania. Then it rang again, and my husband was like, “That’s weird. Come on, why don’t you just pick it up? It’s probably not a telemarketer.” So he picked it up, and it was the doctor who originally diagnosed me at the hospital nearest my house, because we had gone to a cancer center at this point.​

The doctor called and said, “I wanted to be the one to tell you your genetic test came back. Have you started your chemo yet?” I was literally in the chair, and the nurse had the medicine right here, ready to go — are we doing this or not? He said, “It’s an ALK mutation, which, in this general area of conversation, is the best possible news I could give you, because there’s so much treatment out there and so much research, and you’re going to be okay in the sense of, you’re not going to need to stay with chemo, which can be very hard on your body. We’re going to be on targeted therapy.”​

He told me to go ahead and get that first round of chemo because they wanted to knock it down as much and as fast as they could. “Let’s do one round of chemo today, and then we’re going to see you back in the office in a week after you start to feel a little bit better post-chemo.” The way they explained it to me gave me a lot of hope, and it gave my husband a lot of hope to start to really dig in.​

The IV was in my arm. I’m getting the chemo. We’re both on our phones immediately Googling, “What in the world is ALK-positive cancer?” Not knowing anything about this, we were learning about cancer itself, the word “metastasized,” understanding what that even means, what stage 4 means, what ALK-positive means, and what the different types of treatments are. I was getting chemotherapy at that moment and wondering, “What’s the prognosis for the future?” Nobody was telling me, “You have this many years,” or “You have this many months.” Neither of us was ready to Google that. That’s a scary thing to ask, and neither of us wanted to get that answer because you just don’t know what you’re going to see.​

I found hope in the ALK-positive lung cancer community

We started to learn there was a great big community out there of ALK-positive patients, and they are so kind. They talk to each other about what’s going on. Sometimes the questions are, “I’m having a hard time with something — has anybody else experienced this?” But a lot of the time, it’s super positive. A lot of people are saying, “Hey, I just hit my anniversary. It’s been this many years since I’ve been diagnosed,” which was incredibly hopeful for me — to think that I could receive a stage 4 diagnosis, and here are people who are years into their stage 4 diagnosis.​

It helped us really reframe how we think about it, to think about it as the “incurable” phrasing, because we’re seeing so many other people who are successful in their treatment. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who are not as successful, and that’s super hard to see. But the majority of what I’m seeing, at least through these communities that I’m a part of now, is just people wanting to help each other, people celebrating the lives that have been through it before, and the treatments that are on the horizon. 

There’s a lot of very promising activity in the space of ALK-positive lung cancer.​

Telling our teen daughters about lung cancer and the ALK mutation

The poor kids. I was in the hospital for a week, so they knew I was sick, but they also knew I had pneumonia. So they thought I was dealing with pneumonia this whole time. It was a Friday that I was discharged. They both had some activities that they had to go to on Saturday that were, believe it or not, fundraising events for childhood cancer at their school that they were helping to run.​

I certainly was not telling them before that. We just told them, “Mom’s better. She’s going to be okay. We’re out of the hospital. We have a plan. We’ll talk about this more later. Go have fun at your event, and we’ll talk.” We sat them down the next morning and said, “The reason I was out and what we found was that I do have cancer.” We did not tell them staging. We told them only that it was lung cancer. We didn’t tell them that it had spread anywhere. We told them just enough, I think, to make them feel included in the conversation but not to overwhelm them, because my husband and I didn’t have answers yet either.​

When we told them, it was before actually meeting with my now treatment team, my oncology team. We had met with the emergency room oncology team. We didn’t have a plan. We knew we were going to get chemotherapy in a couple of weeks. That was about all we knew. So we told them just enough to let them know, because they were 13 and 15 at the time. We said, “Mom has cancer. It is lung cancer.” They were as baffled as we were. We had to explain that there are different ways people can get lung cancer, and we’re going to learn all about it together, and we’re going to figure out what it means for us as a family.​

The next couple of weeks, it was a lot of cuddling, a lot of movie watching. I was sent home with an oxygen tank, so the poor kids had to see me with this thing strapped to me all the time. It was scary for them. Absolutely scary. My older daughter is very interested in becoming a nurse, so she was already tracking to be in the healthcare field prior to me being sick. She was in an anatomy and physiology class as well as a biology class that year. I didn’t want to overshare because I didn’t know quite how much she might actually understand and look up on her own, and panic, to be totally honest. So telling them just “lung cancer” without staging was very intentional.​

We let them get through the school year. We also let them get through a few rounds of me getting scans, and each time I got scans, it was better and better and better. We decided to wait until the school year ended in June. I had been six months into treatment at that point. We’d all celebrated a couple of rounds where I’d had a reduction in my tumor mass. We sat them each down individually to talk about what it really was, which was the hard part. This was telling them it had actually been in all these different areas and was considered stage four.​

We gave them the spiel about “incurable versus terminal.” We told my older daughter first, and she said, “I kind of knew.” She knew it was ALK-positive lung cancer and had started to do her own research, which I knew she would. She started to do a project in her anatomy class around ALK lung cancer, so she was learning a lot about it. What she learned is that one of the first things you see, and I didn’t realize this when we told them it was ALK, is that a majority of patients find out late stage that it’s ALK, because most of those patients don’t have risk factors. They are surprised by their diagnosis because of this mutation. So she sort of knew what was going on but kept it to herself for a while, and she was very strong about it throughout the year.​

When we told my younger daughter, she’s a very different person. She’s the artsy, English-major type versus the sciencey type. She said, “Okay, okay, I hear you, and I am just going to believe that it’s going to be okay because I’ve seen you over the last six months, and you went from having a gray face and being on oxygen and looking sick all the time to being who you are today, which is you seem like yourself again. You seem normal. You do what you normally do. We go on our little adventures again, and everything is going to be fine.” So she basically moved on. My older daughter was like, “Okay, I’m going to think more about this and do research, and I’m going to really understand it.”​

Since then, they’ve both become part of my little advocacy group because I have advocated for people to understand ALK-positive lung cancer better and to help with funding, because it’s a very unique cancer. We need to make sure that as patients, we’re part of the community that’s driving the research.​

So, about testing them. Luckily, this is one of those things where it’s a gene that in me just broke. It just broke on its own and decided to become cancerous. So it’s nothing that they can inherit, nothing that they have a risk factor for — other than being a person with lungs. Thankfully, that’s what we’ve been learning more about and understanding, that it’s very different from the BRCA gene with breast cancer. Anybody can, unfortunately, just have this kind of genomic mutation where it’s not hereditary, but it’s just something in your body that goes awry.​

Why I chose an ALK-positive lung cancer clinical trial

When I met with my oncology team the first time, it was overwhelming because there was so much I still didn’t really understand. I didn’t understand what my options were. I didn’t understand what ALK-positive was. I just didn’t know how to feel about it. To go in there and be presented with options, I thought, was really unique. I didn’t realize that would even be the way this conversation would go. I thought it would just be, “Let’s pick your chemotherapy regimen, and we’ll move along.”​

When they presented me with the different trial versus standard-of-care options, I think my personality is that I want to pay it forward. I’m a person who wants to be a part of what makes things better for more people, coming up with this. Receiving this diagnosis is not fun, but if I can be part of a medication that makes it better for people, because it has really great effects on the cancer but has fewer side effects than some of its predecessors, I want to be part of that movement. That was part of why I decided to be in the trial.​

The other part was very black and white. Part of it is that the drug that’s on market now does A, B, and C, but you’re going to have X, Y, and Z as side effects, and that’s not going to be fun. The clinical trial drug is the same drug that does A, B, and C, but it may have X, and that’s about it. You’re not quite sure; it may have none of those side effects. It felt to me like an obvious choice, almost like, why wouldn’t I take the drug that’s the same as the one on the market, but maybe has fewer problems?​

They told me it is just as good as what’s on the market right now. It is not a placebo. It’s not half as effective or anything like that. It is just as good as what’s on the market today, but hopefully better because you won’t have the side effects. So, between wanting to do the right thing to help others coming after me and, selfishly, not wanting the side effects, I thought, let’s go for it. It also came with a third thing: it was hopefully going to block the ability for this cancer to reach into my brain. ALK-positive cancer very frequently travels up into the brain.​

This new trial drug helps to block that, or that’s what they hope to find at the end of the trial — that it really does a good job of blocking that brain barrier. That’s what I fear every time I have scans: “Oh God, please tell me it didn’t go all the way up to my brain.” That being one of their selling points, in a sense, was worth being on the clinical trial.​

One of the benefits of being on a trial is that my care team felt a lot bigger. There were clinical trial nurses also keeping track of everything I was doing, as well as my standard oncology team. I had more frequent check-ins and scans because of it, and I felt really well cared for in my first year of treatment. Being on that trial meant that I had a dedicated person, on top of my care team, that I could talk to about the drug itself, to say, “Hey, this thing came up. Do you think that’s a side effect worth reporting, or is that just normal stuff?” For me, it felt like a no-brainer.​

Hip radiation, pain, and learning to advocate for my body

One of the lesions I have is at the top of my femur, called the femoral head. It’s right in the socket where you walk. That lesion was really bothering me a lot. It could never get rest because it was always being rubbed. I had been complaining of hip pain for a long time, not realizing it was because there was a lesion there. That was one of those things that was in my initial diagnosis, and I just never read that full-length report. I don’t think, at the time, I could have even digested it if I wanted to.​

Having hip pain that wasn’t really being helped by any medication, I started to ask more questions about what else could be done, because it was getting to the point where it was unbearable. The doctor mentioned that radiation might help. It might; it may not. It might not work, and it might work. Hopefully, it would zap that one lesion, and it would die or shrink, and maybe it would be easier as I walked.​

I found the radiation process to be less scary than I imagined. I think I was more scared going into it because I don’t understand radiation. Then it was super easy. I went for five days in a row. Luckily, the center is very close to my house, so it was about a 20-minute ride back and forth. I’d go, and I’d have the same care team every day, the same people to say hello to. They played nice music while I was in there. The lights were dimmed a little bit. It felt comfortable. They made it feel very casual, which was really helpful if you’re going somewhere every day to get this done.​

The first time was maybe 20 minutes or so, and it was the longest appointment. The rest were maybe 10 minutes after that. At the end, it was a wait-and-see to see if it worked or not, because it also causes inflammation which can itself cause more pain in that area. It was unclear for about eight weeks if it had actually worked or not. Right after having radiation, I had a spike in pain, which was not typical. I was walking with a cane and called the radiation oncologist to ask if this was normal. I knew there was going to be some pain, but this felt like more than “some pain.” This felt scary, like too much.​

Thankfully, she saw me right away, took an X-ray, and looked at everything. They wanted to make sure nothing was fractured, because radiation can also cause some bone brittleness. They confirmed nothing was fractured, so we were just doing the wait-and-see game again to see if maybe that was just more inflammation coming through. For me, I stopped using my leg as much because I was so nervous that maybe it was fractured, and that if I was on it a lot, I was going to suddenly break something, like osteoporosis. I was afraid it was going to just break out from under me.​

What I ended up doing was a disservice to myself, because all the muscles and ligaments around it got super tight. My physical therapist mentioned it was like leather: it gets harder, like leather, and it doesn’t move as freely. I caused myself to have less mobility because I was so afraid of hurting myself more. Now I’m at a point where I’m done with my cane. I don’t have the pain as frequently, but it didn’t resolve what I was hoping it was going to resolve when I initially went for radiation.​

It’s a very individual thing for every patient, how your body reacts and what it does for you. For me, it was trial and error, and I kind of wish I hadn’t done it. I don’t know if it’s the type of thing where I learned a bit about my body, too. After the fact, I asked for a physical therapy script so I could get moving again, get loose again, and that has helped me a lot. The biggest thing for me is learning how to advocate, because I advocated to do the radiation, but then I also advocated to get physical therapy to loosen myself back up.​

Losing independence: oxygen tanks, mobility issues, and asking for help

That loss of independence is tough. It’s really tough to understand that at 44, I was incredibly independent. I was the type of person who, if you went to the grocery store, I’d bring every grocery bag in one haul because I don’t want to go back out and do that. Or if I decide I’m going to move the furniture, I’m just going to do it myself. I don’t want anybody’s help. I was fiercely independent before this diagnosis.​

The way it sidelined me was dramatic. I was literally tethered to an oxygen tank for probably four weeks after my discharge. Talk about the opposite of independence. I was dependent on this machine following me around. I was dependent on anybody helping me carry the stupid thing if we went out and about somewhere, because it got heavy and was arduous to have with me. I wasn’t able to drive at the beginning because everybody around me was nervous that something was going to happen, and I wasn’t able to drive myself because of that.​

Every time I wanted to go anywhere, it was a huge project because somebody would have to drive me. They were kind to do it, but I didn’t like being dependent on somebody else. I want to be able to just go when I want to go. I had a lot of help. I had a lot of wonderful friends and my family who helped me with everything. If there was an appointment, there were a lot of appointments in the beginning.​

My oncologist said at the very beginning that this treatment, especially because it’s a clinical trial, is like a sprint. You’re just going from thing to thing to thing, and over two weeks, you’re going to be in appointments constantly. Then once that’s all done, you turn into marathon mode. You can get into a cadence, and your appointments will normalize. In the beginning, there were so many appointments. My husband also works full-time, so he was trying to juggle his job. I was out on leave from work, focused on my health.​

My parents were really kind. They drove me to appointments just to keep me company and to make sure I wasn’t struggling if I needed help with something. It was nice just to have company. It’s nice to be there with somebody who you can talk to or don’t have to talk to, but they’re there, so you feel that comfort.​

It was also hard because my daughters play club sports in the winter, and that’s my thing. I enjoy going to these club sports. It’s not a tax on me. I enjoy going. That would make us drive all over tarnation, going to tournaments. We’d be driving two hours away. I couldn’t do that anymore. It was disappointing to have to coordinate a ride for her or ask somebody if they’d be willing to come with us. My husband went to all of them because it’s his daughter, of course. But normally, I would just take off and go with her, and maybe he would meet us there halfway through. It was annoying to me to always have to ask for something, to ask for help. I’m not used to doing that.​

Over this past year, I’ve learned it’s okay to ask for help. Nobody’s upset about doing it. People actually want to help; they just don’t know how to. If you’re able to actually ask for the help, then people will happily give you a hand. If they don’t, then those aren’t the people that maybe you need in your close circle at that time. Right now, I just need the people who are going to matter the most when I’m going through the hardest thing I’ve ever gone through. That’s what my circle is to me. They’re the people I would call no matter what.​

How lung cancer changed my marriage

It’s weird to say, but I feel like this has been harder on my husband than on me. I think he internalized a lot of this pain, and I quickly tried to move into “What’s next?” mode. I don’t like to wallow in what’s happening. I’m just, what can I do next? How can I get better next? How can I get to the next thing? What’s the next landmark I can get to?​

In the very beginning, my husband was emotional. I think he just looked at me and was sad. When you think about your future with someone — we’ve been together since we were 15 years old — to be 44 and still together and in love, it’s hard to look at your future and imagine it not with that person. We haven’t known a life without each other. That’s really hard.​

It has probably made us closer, but we were already so close that it’s hard to say we’re closer now. There’s a difference in the kind of respect. I think he sees me as a fighter, and I see him as a fabulous caretaker. Once I started to feel better and feel like myself, we went back into our old roles, which was really nice, but with an extra layer of care. I don’t know that you really get that without having something like this in your family.​

You care for each other and your spouse when they’re sick with a cold, but there’s a whole other way of caring for someone when they’re sick with a chronic illness or with cancer. That deepened the love and care between us.​

Mom guilt, teen sports, and white ribbons

I’ve never put myself first, and that was a very big wake-up call for me — to put my health, my emotional health, and my mental health at the forefront. Those things all needed attention. I took nine months off work while I was battling my first year. During that time, once I started to feel better, I was prioritizing myself. It was the Stephanie Show. I was going to yoga twice a week. I was grabbing lattes with my friends. Whatever made me feel good and filled my bucket, that’s what I wanted to do.​

A lot of what I wanted to do was spend time with my girls. It was amazing to be home for the summer with them. I got to say things like, “Let’s just go run to the beach today because it’s a Tuesday and we can.”​

Part of my mom guilt was that I felt guilty in the beginning, which was silly because I couldn’t help it. I felt guilty that my daughter was on a new team. She didn’t really know anybody yet, and her mom was dragging around an oxygen tank to the games. Her mom was the one who maybe couldn’t be social with people, because I didn’t have it in me. I was exhausted, or I had masks on, which made me look very “don’t approach.” I did feel guilty for that.​

I felt like, “I hope I’m not alienating her with these new friends because they don’t really understand what we’re going through.” I wasn’t sure if she was telling them what we were going through. I might just look weird to other kids. I had that guilt until she showed me something that makes me emotional even now. She showed me that they had all tied white ribbons to their sneakers, the whole team. The white ribbon is for lung cancer. They all tied white ribbons to their shoes, not even knowing me and barely knowing her.​

That let go of that guilt because I realized she wasn’t embarrassed by it. She had told them, and they see me showing up still. So I’m okay. I’m going to be okay. She’s going to be okay, and we’re going to get through this. By the end of her club season, I was great. My tumor burden was down almost 55 percent within those first three or four months. I knew I was on track to become healthy and be myself again. I let go of a lot of that guilt because I recognized quickly that they’re going to be okay. The girls are good. They accept me for who I am, and they understand the diagnosis now. They can explain it to other people, and it doesn’t hold me back from being a good mom for them.​

One year after my stage 4 ALK-positive diagnosis: reflection and advocacy

It has helped me prioritize what’s important to me. I actually had my first anniversary this week, and I spent it at the spa because that’s what I wanted to do. Again, I’m prioritizing what makes me feel good and what makes me feel whole. I took a day to relax and reflect, and unplug from work so that I could really focus on myself and my family.​

At the one-year mark, I recognized that what’s important to me now is my family and myself, but also advocating. I need people to understand that people do not get cancer maliciously. When people look at you and say, “Oh, it must be because you did A, B, or C,” whatever people think a risk factor you’ve “caused” might be — nobody’s asking for cancer. We need to do a really good job of researching and continuing to advocate for those who are fighting it and for those who are living with the people who are fighting it, because those people need to be heard and seen as well.​

My work is in corporate philanthropy, and I have been in that field for about 20 years. Over time, I hadn’t really found my deep connection with one particular nonprofit that I get behind. Mostly because of the kind of work I do, I tend to support whatever I need to in the moment — something I’m running for work or something I’m affiliated with because of work.​

Now I am very clearly driven by my own diagnosis. This is something that I work on communicating about. I want people I know to understand ALK-positive cancer, and I want people to understand lung cancer in general, especially in younger people, more and more often. For me, it’s been an eye-opening experience to turn this into something positive. I have a real driven purpose and mission in life about ALK-positive cancer now.​

My kids have been great about trying to find ways to affiliate themselves with volunteering and getting involved in things. They support a lot of groups and clubs that have to do with cancer in general. What I’m really excited about is a future where I have more time because of the research being done and the drugs and treatments being manufactured now. They will give me more time with my family and more time to advocate on behalf of those who will eventually find out that they also have ALK-positive lung cancer.​

It’s important to me that people who are coming into this and who are young and just starting their families know that they have time with their families. It’s not as terrifying, perhaps, as what we all thought it was when we first got diagnosed. Rather quickly, you learn more about ALK and how you have hope.​


Stephanie K. ALK+ lung cancer
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“I Knew It Was Back”: How Amanda Knew Her Hodgkin Lymphoma Was Back

“I Knew It Was Back”: How Amanda Knew Her Hodgkin Lymphoma Was Back

A cancer relapse in college was never part of Amanda’s plans, but it became the defining experience of her junior and senior year. Diagnosed with stage 4 Hodgkin lymphoma as a junior in high school, Amanda went through grueling treatment and reached remission, only to later face a relapse as a junior in college at Baylor University. 

Interviewed by: Taylor Scheib
Edited by: Chris Sanchez

In the months before her relapse was officially confirmed, Amanda noticed an alarming 15-pound weight loss that she couldn’t explain, and this led her to suspect that the Hodgkin lymphoma had come back, even though her bloodwork looked spotless. Although her oncologist initially reassured her, she still pushed for a scan. She later opened a MyChart notification in the middle of a college final and her heart sank. After the final, she read the words “likely relapsed disease” out loud to her mom over the phone, describing a moment of shock that quickly turned into survival mode.​

Amanda P. Hodgkin lymphoma

Amanda’s Hodgkin lymphoma relapse also meant confronting big medical and life decisions. She chose to switch from an adult hospital to a children’s hospital where she felt more seen as a young adult, pursued second opinions at MD Anderson Cancer Center, and completed one round of egg freezing before starting more intensive treatment. Her treatment path included immunotherapy, chemotherapy, and an autologous stem cell transplant, and she now has immunotherapy maintenance every three weeks.​

Recovery after her stem cell transplant was brutal — weeks of mucositis, nausea, passing out from dehydration, and readmission when a seizure-like episode raised suspicions that she was also experiencing neurologic issues. Amanda describes the first 100 days post-transplant as the longest and hardest of her life, but she celebrated small but meaningful victories like walking laps around Target and finally tasting food again.​

Amanda’s Hodgkin lymphoma relapse has reshaped how she sees herself and her future. She returned to Baylor, danced at the famous Pigskin Revue just months after needing a walker, and now views exams and deadlines through a different lens: “If I can get through a stem cell transplant and fully recover from it, I can take my Spanish final on Friday.” She is committed to sharing her experience to offer other patients something priceless: hope.​

Watch Amanda’s video and read the edited transcript of her interview below for more on her story, and click here to read about her first Hodgkin lymphoma experience.

  • Listening to your body matters: Amanda noticed rapid, unexplained weight loss and trusted her gut to ask for a scan, even when her bloodwork looked normal
  • Self-advocacy is essential: Her insistence on further testing led to the detection of her Hodgkin lymphoma relapse in college, and her doctors ultimately supported her choice, emphasizing her autonomy
  • Treatment plans can evolve: Amanda moved hospitals, pursued second opinions at MD Anderson, tried immunotherapy first, and then transitioned to chemotherapy and a stem cell transplant when needed
  • Community and connection — in Amanda’s case, family, friends, peers with similar diagnoses — can offer grounding and hope in a time when so much feels out of control
  • Meaning-making beyond treatment: Amanda now uses her experience to support others, from answering messages from patients in transplant to contributing to advocacy efforts like the Give Kids a Chance Act

  • Name: Amanda P.
  • Age at Diagnosis:
    • 20
  • Diagnosis:
    • Hodgkin Lymphoma
  • Staging:
    • Stage 4
  • Symptom:
    • Sudden, unexplained weight loss
  • Treatments:
    • Immunotherapy
    • Chemotherapy
    • Autologous stem cell transplant
Amanda P. Hodgkin lymphoma
Amanda P. Hodgkin lymphoma
Amanda P. Hodgkin lymphoma
Amanda P. Hodgkin lymphoma
Amanda P. Hodgkin lymphoma
Amanda P. Hodgkin lymphoma

This interview has been edited for clarity and length. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider to make informed treatment decisions.

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My name is Amanda

I am originally from Dallas, Texas, but currently live in Waco, Texas, and I was diagnosed with stage 4 Hodgkin lymphoma in May of 2021 and then again in December of 2024.​

My cancer experience to date

I first had a bunch of different symptoms in my junior year of high school, which led to the diagnosis when I was just finishing my junior year. I went through six months of chemo and was in remission, but then, when I was a junior in college, I had a scan that showed my relapse. 

Since then, I have done immunotherapy, a few rounds of chemo, a stem cell transplant, frozen my eggs, and now I am currently doing an immunotherapy maintenance treatment.​

Life between my diagnosis and relapse

It is really a lot of the same, getting back to the same, and trying to just live my life as best as possible. I am still a Young Life leader at Lorena High School, and I am still a Tri Delta at Baylor. It has been a lot of super fun things during homecoming and semi-formal and different events like that, which have been a blast.​

A highlight was definitely what we call Pigskin, which is a super niche Baylor thing where we sing and dance on stage. All of the sororities and fraternities do it, but it is a competition in the spring, and the top eight get to go back and then perform at homecoming, and I was able to be a part of the homecoming performance, which was super fun and super awesome. That has been a really big highlight, along with spending a lot of time with friends and family; my little sister just went to college, and I recently got to visit her, so a bunch of exciting things like that.​

How I knew the Hodgkin lymphoma was back

I knew I had relapsed before any doctor, any scan, any blood work. I had noticed in early November of my junior year — so just a year ago now — that I had been losing weight, and I know my body very well. I do not lose or gain weight very easily; it takes a lot for me to be able to lose weight, and my weight just does not fluctuate.​

Noticing that I had lost almost 15 pounds out of nowhere was definitely a big teller. I could tell by looking in the mirror that my clothes were not fitting right. I went to my oncologist about it and asked, because that was really just about my three-year mark. I was going in for blood work, and they said, “Let’s see how this goes,” and that came back completely normal.​

He said, “If you are still a little on edge about it, if you are still a little nervous, we can schedule a scan,” and it was literally a couple of days later that I said I wanted the scan, so that was scheduled. During that whole time, I did not want to tell people that I was nervous or that I knew; I would say, “We will see what happens; we will see what the scan shows,” but deep down I had a gut feeling, and I knew it was back.​

My relapse was confirmed during a college final

How I found out it had officially come back is a really funny story — not funny at all, but a little bit. I was at a final for my communications class; we were doing our final presentations. I had just finished presenting, got back to my seat, and opened up my laptop, and I saw that I had gotten a notification from MyChart. This was a Saturday, may I add.​

I remember it so vividly. My heart sank, my heart was racing, but again, in class, I could not show it. My friend had driven me to class that day, a good friend but not a close friend, so I could not really tell her what was going on. I remember getting in this girl’s car and driving home, being absolutely terrified; I literally could not breathe.​

When I got home, I called my mom and said, “Okay, I have the results; I am going to open those up and read them out loud to you.” I went up to my room, sat on my bed, opened up my computer with my mom on my phone, and literally just read, “Likely relapsed disease. These tumors in these places; they are four centimeters by five centimeters, and there is one here and one here and one here.”​

I did not cry at first; I was in shock, and so was my mom. We were like, “Are you kidding me right now? This is what we are reading?” Eventually, I was like, “Okay, now what?” and she said, “I am on my way; I am driving there right now.” My dad was at the ranch house, or hunting lease, a little over an hour away, and my mom was in my hometown about two hours away, and both of them immediately got in their car and drove down here, which was very kind.​

For those couple of hours, I was just here. I brought my laptop and walked across the hall to my roommate’s room, looked at them, and said, “It is back,” and that was when I started crying. The rest of that day was spent in my roommate’s bed, talking through what the next steps were.​

I called my old nurse because she had ended up leaving at that point. I called her, and she said, “It is going to be okay; it will be okay,” and I said I needed to contact my doctor and that I did not have his personal cell phone number. She said she did, and she would call him. Then he called me and said he was so sorry, that I was not supposed to find out like this, but it was back, I did have cancer again, and we were going to do this chemo regimen.​

He said it was probably December 14th, so we were ten days from Christmas. He said, “I will let you have Christmas, but on December 26th, you are coming in for a biopsy, and we are starting chemo before New Year’s.”​

The rest of that day, my parents came, and it was really hard to see them. The rest of the day, I was in survival mode. I booked a hair appointment and said I was bleaching my hair and going platinum blond because I did not care how damaged my hair would be anymore. I had spent the last three years growing it out to the length it was, probably here-ish, and I did not care anymore; I was going to bleach it.​

I booked a hair appointment for, I think, either the next day or the day after that. I had a Christmas party that night, and I thought, if I am not coming back to Baylor next semester, I am going to this Christmas party. I went to the Christmas party hours later, which, looking back, is kind of crazy, but I do remember pretty much every single hour of that day very vividly. That is how I found out; there were a lot of tears, but after the initial shock wore off, I think I bounced into survival mode so fast.​

How much I understood about relapsing

It had always been a thought in my mind. I had a really bad habit of saying, “When my cancer comes back,” instead of, “If my cancer comes back.” That was a “me problem,” not anyone else’s problem. My doctor had told me that if it was going to come back, it would happen within the first two years, and after I hit the two-year mark, I thought I was home free.​

I thought I was chilling and we were good. When it came to the three-year mark, seeing my doctor and all those things, and me having to ask for the scan for my own well-being, they really did not expect it at all. They were just as shocked as I was, maybe even more, because of how well I had done over the last three years.​

My blood work was spotless. The first time I was diagnosed, my blood work was a mess, and my blood work being in pristine condition this time also made them not really think that relapse was a possibility. When it came to telling me about the diagnosis, I read it through MyChart and then was able to get a phone call after telling my nurse I had found out. She did not even work there anymore, and I said, “Hey girl, this is what is going on; I need you to contact my doctor right now.”​

Finally, he called me and walked me through what he would consider the next steps, which ended up not even being what we did. He was very much like, “This is what we are going to do; this is when we are going to do it,” and walked me through the whole thing within hours of getting the diagnosis.​

Why self-advocacy matters so much

Every person knows their body best. Nobody can tell you how you feel; you know how you feel. I could tell my doctor all day that my body does not fluctuate in weight, but they could sit there and say everyone’s weight fluctuates, that I was fine, that ten pounds is nothing, and that I should be happy or thrilled that I was losing weight without trying.​

In reality, most girls my age would probably be jumping up and down at that, but I was literally terrified. Not even because weight loss was the first symptom for me in the beginning, but because I knew a lot about my kind of cancer. With Hodgkin, a really big first symptom is weight loss — unintentional, within a couple of months, losing somewhere in the double digits.​

My doctor was really great in letting me choose what I did in order to have reassurance. He said, “If you want a scan, we can get you a scan. I can tell you that you do not need one, but it is ultimately your choice. You are the adult in this situation; it is your body.” His giving me that autonomy was really kind.​

How my second diagnosis felt different from the first

They were very different feelings. The first time I was diagnosed, I was naive; I did not know what the future held. I did not know what I was going to go through or how it was going to affect me. I did not know how chemo felt, I did not know how I would look bald, and I just did not know.​

Because I was so unaware, I got to live in this bubble of, “I do not know, but we will see.” That is not the case for everyone; a lot of people hear “cancer” and are immediately scared, but my doctors at the time did a really good job of reassuring me that I would be okay, that I would be fine, and that we would get through it. I was very naive and unaware of what I would go through the first time.​

The second time, I knew exactly what was going to happen. I know how much chemo sucks, I know how painful the grow-out hair phase is, I know what it feels like to not have an appetite and how awful mouth sores are. Because I already knew, I was filled with more dread and fear, especially with the stem cell transplant looming over my head.​

I had been told pretty much since day one that if it ever came back, I would get a stem cell transplant, and having that looming over me brought a lot more dread and fear the second time around.​

Why I switched hospitals after relapse

Originally, they had told me I was going to start chemo pretty much immediately, and then as soon as I hit remission, I would have a BEAM auto stem cell transplant. They said I would get a biopsy to confirm it was, in fact, the same type of cancer, get my port placed, be admitted, and do chemo.​

I had been saying for a long time, as a 17, 18, 19-year-old going to the adult hospital, that I hated it. I despised that place; there are lots of bad memories there. Everyone there is generations older than me, and I did not really feel seen or understood. There were a lot of things my doctor would not really think about, like how the chemo would affect my pulmonary function 40 years down the line, because most of their patients are already 60, 70, 80 years old and are not going to live another 40 years, so that is not where their head goes.​

I had said from very early on, especially after meeting so many friends online at children’s hospitals, that if I ever relapsed, I would move hospitals, go to the children’s hospital if I still could, and start from scratch. A mix of bad memories, PTSD, anxiety surrounding my old hospital, and wanting a different perspective this time around led me to switch to the children’s hospital.​

I got a whole new care team, a whole new hospital, and a whole new set of nurses. A lot of my care team from the previous time had left, so it was really just my doctor still there, and I was already going to have new nurses and a new PA. Switching was not the biggest change, and looking back, I am so glad that I did.​

Immunotherapy, second opinions, and my final treatment plan

Those doctors said, “No, slow down. You have time. Hodgkin is thankfully a very slow-growing disease.” I was able to do two rounds of egg freezing and now have 12 eggs in a freezer, which is super great and something I am really thankful I had the opportunity to do.​

They said, “Let’s not jump to chemo if we do not have to yet; let’s start with something that might work first,” so we started with immunotherapy. I did a couple of rounds of that and ended up getting secondary opinions at MD Anderson, bouncing between the children’s hospital and MD Anderson.​

Unfortunately, at MD Anderson, I was in the adult wing, and I was bouncing between the two — doing hometown treatments at children’s, going to MD Anderson, which made the final call on all treatment protocols. I did immunotherapy for a bit; it worked, but not as well as we wanted, and that scan was really hard.​

We immediately jumped into the chemo regimen that my doctor had wanted to do previously, but luckily, I only had to do two rounds of that. Then I was in remission and able to go into my stem cell transplant, which I had done at MD Anderson because they had a slightly different regimen. Now I am back at the children’s hospital, doing my immunotherapy.​

It has been a lot of bouncing around, different decisions, and different opinions; we went back and forth on what treatment to start with about a million times, but that is what we ended up doing.​

Making fertility decisions in college (freezing my eggs)

I was very grateful that I had the time and that option. I know that is not an option for everyone and that I am definitely in the lucky few who can do this. It was really a no-brainer to do it at least once.​

I did the first round of freezing to see how many we could get. I knew my egg supply was not at 100% because of my previous treatment, but we knew it was still there. After the first round, we got seven eggs, and I was told the “magic number” was ten, meaning ten would “guarantee” you one child.​

That was really hard and involved going back and forth between me, my parents, my doctors, and all the people involved in deciding whether to do a second round. They said the second round would probably yield fewer eggs, but it would probably bring that number up to ten and could almost guarantee a child rather than just seven.​

We had to decide whether to start treatment right away to get rid of the cancer or do another round of freezing, which would postpone treatment by about two to three weeks. I found out about the relapse in mid-December and did not start treatment until mid-February. Giving it all that time to grow and spread was not comfortable, but looking back, I am really glad I did it.​

The decision to actually do egg freezing was a no-brainer, but the decision of whether or not to do it twice was harder.​

Processing the reality of a stem cell transplant

I was terrified. I was fully, fully terrified. I had never been in the hospital for that long before, and the decision of whether to do it at MD Anderson or at home in Dallas was really hard; we went back and forth on that forever.​

I was terrified because of how many risks it would bring. Pretty much the only word I can think of is “absolutely terrified.” I talked a lot about it with my therapist and how terrifying it was going to be. There were a lot of unknowns — I did not know what was going to happen or how I was going to react.​

My doctor or a nurse told me, “We are pretty much going to bring you as close to death as possible and then save you,” and that was terrifying. I think my stem cell transplant doctor did a decent job preparing me for what to expect. He said I was going to lose probably upwards of 30 pounds, would not eat for a long time, my taste would be messed up, I would have horrific mouth sores, lose all my muscle, and be empty.​

I thought, “Okay, this is real, and this is coming up.” I wanted to get it done as soon as possible because the sooner I could get it done, the more time I would have to recover until the fall semester. The goal, from the second I was diagnosed through treatment, chemo, and the stem cell transplant, was getting back to school in August. I thought, “I just need to be able to get back to school in August, and everything will be okay,” and having that goal helped.​

Why going back for the fall semester mattered so much

The “decision,” which was not really a decision at all, was that I was forced to stay home that spring semester. That was really hard; I did not realize how hard it was going to be. I drove back and forth as much as possible, and every time I went into the clinic, they would ask if I was going to Waco that weekend, and I would say yes.​

I just wanted to be back. It was my senior year, and having my independence stripped away from me after not having it for that long — and stripped away without any choice — was really hard. It gave me a good goal and something to look forward to through such a difficult time.​

I really wanted to be back with my friends and get back on track with classes and everything to continue moving forward in my life.​

How I mentally prepared for my stem cell transplant

In the weeks and months leading up to the transplant, there was a lot of impulsivity and trying to enjoy everything as much as possible. My biggest fear was that the transplant was going to kill me, and that thought loomed in the back of my mind.​

Leading up to it, my doctor would warn me that going to my sorority formal with hundreds of people was not the best idea when I was neutropenic, and I would say I did not care and that I would be there. I put my N95 on and went to the sorority formal.​

I did not go on big vacations; we did a spring break trip, and I had a New York trip planned that ended up getting canceled. I focused on seeing my friends as much as possible, hanging out with them, going shopping, going line dancing, going to all of the sorority events, and doing everything I could possibly do.​

I did my very best to do as much as possible because I have bad FOMO, and I had that thought in the back of my mind — what if this is my last shot or my last time? Doing as much as possible was the priority; some of it was probably dangerous, but here we are.​

Losing my hair for the second time

The second time around, losing my hair was almost the same as the first time, but not quite. Again, I went platinum blond for a couple of months. I did not lose my hair until the end of March, right before I started chemo, after a little bit of immunotherapy and a couple of rounds of chemo.​

Before that was when I shaved my head. I had a scan at MD Anderson that showed the immunotherapy did not work as well as we wanted and that we would have to do chemo. I immediately texted all my friends and said I was on my way to Waco and that we were going to have a buzz party that night because I was getting chemo the next day.​

This all happened within 48 hours, and every single person I texted was there, which was awesome — that they were all able to drop everything and be there for me. It was a really kind and really awesome memory for a not-so-awesome occasion.​

My friends and I went to get bleach, hair ties, and scissors, and we also got a cake. The cake said “In My Britney Era” to commemorate my buzzcut.​

There is a super cool organization based out of Florida that makes halo wigs out of your hair. One person’s full head of hair is not enough to make a full wig, but you can make a halo wig where the hair is sewn on a track that goes from your temples all the way around, with a sock cap on top. I could wear that, put my hat on, and you would never know it was a wig — and it was my real hair.​

We sectioned off my hair into tiny ponytails and cut those off, then shipped them off. It was important to shave my head before starting chemo so I could send them as much hair as possible. All of my friends took turns cutting a ponytail, and eventually I had a really messy buzzcut. Then we took clippers, evened it up, and bleached it to go platinum buzzcut, which was pretty epic.​

I loved the look. Again, I had a buzz party complete with cake and everyone taking turns cutting a piece; some of the same people as last time, but mostly different because it was in my college town, with all my college friends and my siblings coming down for it.​

My community showed up for me

They are literally some of the best people ever. 

The people I have met at Baylor are some of the best people I have ever met. 

My community, my friends, and my family are probably the most important things in my life.​

What my stem cell transplant was like physically

The transplant itself was pretty successful. I got a central line, did a bunch of chemo to knock out everything, and then got my stem cells, and that whole process was not that bad. The chemo did not feel super terrible in the moment, and the G-CSF shots leading up to it were not the most painful.​

There were a couple of instances where I was left in a lot of pain, especially when I got my port removed and my central line placed at the same time, which left me in a lot of pain and landed me in the ER for pain minutes after. That was really rough.​

So much of it is a blur; I think my brain has tried to block out a lot. There were a lot of tears, and I remember having sores in the corners of my eyes from crying so much. I was really just in and out of sleep, talking nonsense according to my parents, not keeping much down, not eating a lot, and not moving a lot.​

I did my best; I loved the PT people — they were lovely humans — but I hated when they came to my room and made me do laps around the hallway. MD Anderson had a really cool system where you would do laps and collect little paper stickers, and when you had 12 (equaling a mile), you would get a bandana to tie around your IV pole.​

We would say, “Okay, today we are going to walk two laps around the floor.”​

Recovering from my transplant

Staying on the floor for so long and not being able to leave was really hard, especially at first; I was so antsy and kept asking them to let me leave. Later, it got to the point where I was so out of it that I did not realize I had not breathed fresh air for three weeks.​

The recovery was the hardest part. From about day +3 or +4 up to around day +30 were the hardest and were unbearable. It was a lot of my parents saying, “Okay, Amanda, let’s walk to the couch today.”​

It was a mix of feeling very depressed and hopeless, feeling like I would never gain my strength back, and also feeling so exhausted and broken down that I said no. My parents could ask me to walk down the hallway as many times as they wanted, but it was up to me and what I decided to do.​

I had a very scary moment about five or six days after I got out of the hospital. I had gotten out on day +13, which was really early compared to a lot of people, and I should not have gotten out that early, because I just landed myself right back in.​

I had such bad mucositis, lost all my taste buds, and could not taste anything. I was still incredibly nauseous from all the chemo. I was eating and drinking almost nothing; I had about eight ounces of chicken broth once a day, maybe a little water to take my meds, and even half the time that would not stay down.​

I was back at the doctor’s office for blood work a couple of times a week post-transplant while living in Houston, but not inpatient. I was sitting there with my mom and sister, and I said I felt really hot. I was wearing a sweater, so my mom came over to help me take it off, and I passed out.​

I went unconscious. I do not remember it, but according to my mom, I was having a seizure-like episode. My doctor immediately said I was back on the floor, and I got readmitted that night. The same thing happened two more times.​

It was a really scary couple of days trying to figure out if it was a seizure or something else. We had a scan that showed a weird thing in the back of my brain, and they did not know what was going on. We still are not fully sure, but we think it was due to a sodium imbalance from my not eating or drinking at all.​

Throughout this whole year, I had passed out a handful of times, mostly from dehydration and not being able to keep things down or wanting to eat or drink. Passing out was not new to me, but whatever else had been going on was new.​

That was a big setback in recovery. After that, I just felt like I needed to get home; I could not be in the city of Houston for one more second and needed out. Soon after that, they gave me the green light to go home, and I was able to go back to my family.​

Getting out of there was awesome, and being back home with my siblings, parents, cats, and hometown friends (who were home because it was summer) was really great. Getting back home helped a lot and sped up recovery.​

Reaching day 100 after my stem cell transplant

It was rough to get to day 100. It was the longest and hardest 100 days of my life. It was a lot of sleeping and a lot of walking; my dad and I would do laps around our living room.​

We spent a lot of time trying to find foods that would sit well, foods I could taste, and that did not taste like cardboard. We started with cheese, cucumbers, and Cheerios, and were on the cucumber, cheese, and Cheerio diet for a while. I went through boxes and boxes of Cheerios.​

I spent a lot of time in bed, pretty much all day, sleeping, then getting up to walk a couple of laps around the living room. A hard thing was that it was summer in Texas, so it was blazing hot outside. As someone with no energy, getting outside in that heat made it impossible to do anything.​

The first time I was out of the house, we went to Target and TJ Maxx, and I thought this was my big outing, walking around the store. I was using a walker to walk most of the time and was not able to walk unassisted. Being able to go to the store and use a grocery cart as my walker gave me a sense of normalcy.​

I used shopping as exercise, walking around the store, which got me out of the house and out of bed and gave me a little normalcy. That summer, everyone else I knew was studying abroad, doing internships, and traveling, and I was looking forward to going to Target for 45 minutes.​

That is how I spent pretty much those 100 days of summer, since I got my transplant on May 29th and my 100-day mark was on September 6th. Getting my taste back and going back to all my favorite restaurants was really fun. I spent a lot of time shopping and with my friends and family.​

My 100-day celebration party

Getting back to school was awesome. About a week and a half into school, my 100 days hit, and the party was epic. It was so fun and awesome.​

There were decorations, a ton of balloons, and catered food. I want to say there were about 60 people there, a mix of hometown friends, my parents, my parents’ friends, family friends, and a couple of other cancer survivors, which was really cool.​

We did a lot of talking and had a good time together. We took a lot of pictures. I got to share the speech I was going to give two weeks later in DC with all my family and friends, which was super cool. My grandparents flew in for it. It was epic and so fun.​

How day 100 felt emotionally

The first 20 to 30 days post-transplant were incredibly hard, but it only got easier. Once I hit about the 45-day mark, things felt like they were plateauing, and I was getting more frustrated, feeling like I was not improving as fast as at first.​

That was really hard. The closer it got to day 100, the more excited I was, as things were starting to get back to normal — going back to school, being able to eat good food, going to classes, and being able to walk on my own.​

I have amazing friends who have gone through transplants before. One girl in particular, my friend Elena, also had Hodgkin twice and got a stem cell transplant the second time. She is really the only person I know who had an auto transplant for Hodgkin lymphoma.​

I talked to her all the time, asking what she did when certain things happened, how she felt, and how she got through it. Having someone like her to guide me through all the different things was so great and helpful to give me hope. Her transplant had been exactly a year prior, and seeing her one year out — studying abroad, living her life, and doing great, fun things — gave me hope.​

Seeing her in that state made me think that if someone else had done it, I could do it. Having her encourage me along the way was very helpful and crucial.​

Adjusting back to college after transplant

There was definitely a learning curve in trying to figure out how to balance my time and recovery. I needed more sleep and naps, and sometimes I did not have the energy to do my homework or make it to class.​

My professors have been wonderful in working with me and helping me in the transition, which was great. It was harder at first.​

We had Pigskin, and a big goal for me was being able to dance on that stage at the end of October. When that happened, it was very emotional and bittersweet. After the last show, I thought, “Wow, I did that.”​

I was not able to walk on my own five months prior, and now I was dancing on stage in front of thousands of people. That was a huge, pivotal moment for me and a big “Wow, I did that, and I am back.”​

It was definitely a transition at first, but worth it. All of the help from friends, family, and professors made the process ten times easier than it would have been.​

What this last year taught me

What I have learned the most is that I can literally do anything. When things come my way, I think that nothing will ever be harder than what I went through this year. Nothing will be worse or as hard.​

If I can get through a stem cell transplant and fully recover from it, I can take my Spanish final on Friday. It makes everything else feel less daunting. I could be super stressed out about this Spanish final — should I be more stressed? Yes, but it does not affect me as much as it might affect my peers.​

A lot of my peers are super stressed; they say they need certain dates for events, or that they need hours to study for an exam, and cannot go to social things because they need to study. I think, “I did not survive that, live through that, and work my butt off the last six months to get here and cancel plans.​“

I am not doing that. I am doing as much as possible because I can. I am grateful and honored to be able to do things, go to social events, hang out with my friends, and do fun things; I am not canceling.​

I am not letting things stress me out on so many fronts. That is one of the biggest things I have learned.​

I have also learned how amazing my friends and my community are. I have grown closer and spent so much time with my sister, parents, and brothers.​

Someone else said this, not me, but it was an awful circumstance to have to move home, rely on my parents so much, and lose so much independence, but how many normal 21-year-olds can say they got that much one-on-one undivided attention from their parents?​

As much as I hated the circumstance I was in, I was also really grateful to have that time with my parents that most people my age are not getting. I have also learned how amazing and “freaking” awesome all of my friends and family are, and have seen everyone show up, which has been cool to watch.​

I have met even more people online through all of this and have been able to speak to people about my experience and get legislation changed. As of right now, the Give Kids a Chance Act has been passed in the House of Representatives and is about to be voted on in the Senate, and being a part of that has been really cool.​

There have been a bunch of different opportunities that I would not have had otherwise, so there are a lot of things to be grateful for.​

What my maintenance treatment looks like now

Right now, I am doing maintenance treatments of immunotherapy every three weeks. I go into the children’s hospital and get that infusion. I am going back to MD Anderson for scans every six months.​

In between those six-month scans, I am doing blood work and maybe scans at the children’s hospital. Again, it is a lot of going back and forth.​

I have three more infusions of immunotherapy. I should hopefully ring the bell for all of my treatment for the relapse at the beginning of February 2026, and finally be done with all treatment.​

After that, I will have scans every six months and checkups in between.​

How it felt when my first video went viral

I was just blown away. I was honored that so many people wanted to listen to me talk and that many people cared about what I had been through and wanted to hear my perspective.​

One of the coolest things I have been able to do with my diagnosis is share my story, and seeing that in a quantified way was really cool. I felt honored.​

When I was first getting diagnosed, I was trying to look for other people having the same symptoms that I was, and that is when I found The Patient Story. I thought, “This girl on this random blog five years ago was having the same symptoms that I am. Yes, she has cancer; I do not want cancer, but if that is the answer, that is the answer; there is nothing I can do about it.”​

Being able to share my story and hopefully help people in a similar way that The Patient Story helped me in that moment was full-circle and really cool.​

How much it means to me to share my story

It means so much. It has truly been such an honor. The text messages I get from people saying, “I am about to go through this stem cell transplant,” or, “I just had a stem cell transplant, I am on day +10, and I am having a really hard time, but seeing that you got through that has helped me so much and given me so much faith and hope,” mean a lot.​

If I can do one thing on this earth, it is to give people hope. If I can do that, I feel like I won a million dollars. It is so much bigger than anything else I could do in my life.​

It is such an honor, and I am very glad and humbled that I have been able to do really cool things like this.​


Amanda P. Hodgkin lymphoma
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