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The Latest in Multiple Myeloma: Understanding Promising Treatment Options

The Latest in Multiple Myeloma

Understanding Promising Treatment Options

Edited by:
Katrina Villareal

Multiple Myeloma:
Symptoms & Signs

PERSEUS Trial

IsKia Trial

Quadruplet Therapy

MAIA Trial

CAR T-Cell Therapy

Bispecific Antibodies

BLENREP (Belantamab Mafodotin)

Impact of Dexamethasone (Dex) Dose

In this discussion, patient advocates Cindy Chmielewski and Jack Aiello speak with multiple myeloma experts, Dr. Rafael Fonseca with Mayo Clinic and Dr. Susan Bal with University of Alabama at Birmingham. They discuss the latest coming out of the 2023 American Society of Hematology meeting and share the latest multiple myeloma clinical trials and treatment options.

Learn about new multiple myeloma treatment options, including triplet and quadruplet combination therapies, CAR T-cell therapy, bispecific antibodies, and trispecifics. Find out about the future of belantamab mafodotin (BLENREP), dose reduction of dexamethasone, and the introduction of sonrotoclax, dubbed as the next-generation venetoclax.


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This interview has been edited for clarity and length. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider for treatment decisions.



Introduction

Stephanie Chuang, The Patient Story Founder

Stephanie Chuang: I’m the founder of The Patient Story and, more importantly, I also got a blood cancer diagnosis of non-Hodgkin lymphoma a few years ago.

We have so many shared experiences in what we’re looking for and that’s what The Patient Story is all about.

We try to help patients and care partners navigate a cancer diagnosis primarily through in-depth conversations with patients, care partners, and top cancer specialists.

I want to give special thanks to GSK for supporting our educational program. Their support helps programs like this more available and free for our audience. We want to note that The Patient Story retains full editorial control of this entire program and this is not meant to be a substitute for medical advice.

Our patient moderators Cindy Chmielewski and Jack Aiello will lead this conversation. Cindy and Jack, can you share a little bit more about your own stories and how you became such passionate advocates in this space?

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Cindy Chmielewski
Cindy Chmielewski, Patient Advocate

Cindy Chmielewski: I’ve been living with multiple myeloma since 2008. What brought me to the doctor was very debilitating back pain. The pain was so bad that it affected my job. I was having a hard time standing up to teach. I wasn’t able to take my class to the playground for recess. I had to have other teachers do that.

I went to an orthopedic doctor who, unfortunately, I think was unfamiliar with the symptoms of multiple myeloma because he diagnosed me with degenerative disc disease. It took an additional two years to get the correct diagnosis.

Since then, I’ve had several treatments and I’m now doing very, very well. I’m excited because I’m hearing all these new therapies that will be available to me if and when I relapse.

Jack Aiello, Patient Advocate

Jack Aiello: I was diagnosed with multiple myeloma at the beginning of 1995.

It started with a backache but MRIs and X-rays didn’t show anything wrong according to a specialist I went to see. I ended up taking a blood test and that showed an elevated protein. The specialist said I likely have multiple myeloma and that was the start of about eight years of significant treatment.

Back then, the average life span for myeloma patients with treatment was only 2 to 3 years. I was fortunate to respond to a third transplant except that I used donor stem cells after a couple of earlier transplants and clinical trials didn’t work for me.

I’m extremely appreciative to be alive 29 years later. I think this discussion is awfully important as all of these webinars are for myeloma. In particular, we focus on what happened at the 2023 American Society of Hematology meeting that will affect patients immediately as well as where the research is going. I’m always in favor of making sure I understand what’s going on so that I can help myself if my disease comes back and I can help others when I’m leading our support group or talking with other patients.

Jack Aiello
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Dr. Rafael Fonseca profile
Rafael Fonseca, MD

Cindy: Dr. Rafael Fonseca is a hematologist-oncologist at Mayo Clinic with a special interest in multiple myeloma. He also participates in and leads clinical trials that have led to the approval of various drugs for the treatment of myeloma

Dr. Fonseca, what drew you to multiple myeloma, and what drives you most to continue to work in helping myeloma patients?

Dr. Rafael Fonseca: The way I got into myeloma is a little bit of luck but mainly because I had great mentors. The late Dr. Philip Greipp was a wonderful influence. I wanted to do lymphoma, but he steered me into myeloma without knowing what would happen. Those were the days of melphalan and prednisone, which links exactly to what drives me now.

We are very fortunate to be living through these times when so many things are happening in the treatment of myeloma. One of my colleagues, Dr. Ruben Mesa, told me a few years back that we are either a drug away or a combination away from being able to cure a significant fraction of patients. We’re shuffling the pieces on the table, but I think we’re there so that keeps us going every day.

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Susan Bal, MD

Jack: Dr. Susan Bal is a hematologist-oncologist with the University of Alabama at Birmingham with a special interest in myeloma and CAR T-cell therapies. In fact, at the recent American Society of Hematology meeting, I was fortunate to see Dr. Bal as a primary investigator present phase 1 findings for the clinical trial of BMS-986393, which is a GPRC5D CAR T-cell therapy.

Dr. Bal, what drew you to myeloma, and what drives you most to continue your work to help patients?

Dr. Susan Bal: Myeloma was always very exciting to me personally. I started my fellowship the year that we saw the first results from daratumumab come about.

Other than the excitement in the field and the possibility of a cure, one thing that drives me most is the meaningful relationships that you can continue to build because our patients live for so long and do so well.

I’m so delighted to be able to work with a great group here and across the country. The myeloma community is strong and we forge onward in our path to curing this condition.

Dr. Susan Bal profile

Patients can come to us from any of these avenues and that’s what makes it interesting… It’s a very heterogeneous disease, certainly in terms of presentation and how people do overall.

Dr. Susan Bal

Overview of Multiple Myeloma

What is Multiple Myeloma?

Cindy: Briefly, what is multiple myeloma and what are some of the first signs and symptoms?

Dr. Bal: Multiple myeloma is a plasma cell disorder so it’s plasma cells that have become cancerous. We have white cells, red cells, and platelets. White cells fight infections, red cells carry oxygen, and platelets stop us from bleeding.

Symptoms of Multiple Myeloma

Dr. Bal: One of the types of white cells that help us fight infection is the plasma cell. The plasma cell is responsible for making antibodies that normally help us fight infection.

Sometimes when these plasma cells go awry and become cancerous, they can crowd out the bone marrow, resulting in symptoms such as elevated calcium levels, bone breakage, and bone damage. It can affect our kidney function, causing renal dysfunction. It can also cause low blood counts because of crowding out of the marrow.

Because it’s a part of the immune system and its job is to prevent infections, oftentimes, patients can present with recurrent infections as a presenting feature as well.

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Patients can come to us from any of these avenues and that’s what makes it interesting. We see patients who are simply diagnosed because they had an astute primary care physician who picked up on a protein gap. We have patients presenting on the other end of the spectrum with the plethora of all symptoms that we know as CRAB symptoms, presenting with very disabling features. It’s a very heterogeneous disease, certainly in terms of presentation and how people do overall.

As is true with everything else in medicine, the availability of additional information has allowed us to narrow down the best options for patients.

Dr. Rafael Fonseca
Considerations When Choosing Treatments for Different Patient Groups

Cindy: Dr. Fonseca, we’re lucky now that there are so many treatments available. When I was diagnosed back in 2008, the treatment arsenal was not nearly as filled as it is now.

What are some of the considerations you think about when choosing treatments for different groups, like transplant-eligible versus transplant-ineligible and newly diagnosed and high-risk? What goes through your mind?

Dr. Fonseca: That’s the essence of everything we do in the practice. All of those considerations and how we present them and share them with patients as options for their treatments.

When we started seeing all these drugs come forward and being approved, my first reaction was, “Boy, this is going to get complicated. How are we going to choose? We have all these treatments. My appointments may have to be two hours long because I have to present everything to patients.”

As is true with everything else in medicine, the availability of additional information has allowed us to narrow down the best options for patients. Even though we have many more drugs, we still have 1, 2, or 3 options that are probably the best for a person at a given step. That has allowed us to work more on our messaging and the rationale of what we do.

The considerations you mentioned are critical. We always want to look at, first of all, the patient as a person with their preferences and goals, as well as some other health issues or comorbidities.

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One of the critical aspects — and one we can’t modify though I know many wish we could — is our age. Age is a major determinant of how well you’re going to be able to tolerate treatment or not.

Some treatments become quite a bit toxic as we take them later on in life. A great example of this is the stem cell transplant. As physicians and clinical teams, we have to tailor our approach to patients as we start proposing the various treatments.

The second consideration is whether the patient is newly diagnosed or someone who, unfortunately, has myeloma that’s coming back or what we call recurrent myeloma. If we think about that, then we say: which stage is this? Is this an early recurrence or is this someone who has already received 3 or 4 prior lines of therapy?

Then we bring other factors that are important for patients to know about and we discuss them with the patients. We test the myeloma cells for genetic makeup. When we talk about genetics in myeloma, we’re mostly talking about the changes that occur in the myeloma cells, not the genetics that a person may have in the rest of their body and, very importantly, not genetic things that are passed on from generation to generation.

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Those are things that play into our decision-making process. Some patients have markers that would make us more concerned, something we call high-risk myeloma. With that in mind, we put together treatment plans that we propose to our patients.

We’re moving forward with a more unified approach to goals. If you go back 15 years or certainly, in 1995, our goal was to control. Can we do something that will put the myeloma at bay that would allow us to gain time?

Many of us feel like the pendulum has swung completely in the other direction. Many individuals, myself included, think that we should aim to eradicate all myeloma cells and, ultimately, produce cures for patients. How you phrase that and plan for that becomes important. Behind that, there’s a whole set of other principles. Those are some of the overriding things we think about but always starting with the patient.

We were lucky to have two major presentations at the meeting, including a plenary session where we saw results from the IsKia trial, as well as a late-breaking session where we saw results from the PERSEUS trial.

Dr. Susan Bal

ASH 2023 Meeting

Biggest Takeaways from ASH 2023

Jack: Dr. Bal, can you explain the importance of the American Society of Hematology meeting and what, from your standpoint, were the biggest takeaways?

Dr. Bal: The American Society of Hematology meeting is a key event for hematologists. It’s where we expect to see some of the latest and greatest of science and all the discoveries and innovations that are occurring within the field. It’s a one-stop shop where we get to see some of the best data so it’s a very looked forward to event in the community.

This ASH was no different. We were lucky to have two major presentations at the meeting, including a plenary session where we saw results from the IsKia trial, as well as a late-breaking session where we saw results from the PERSEUS trial.

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The PERSEUS study was perhaps one of the most awaited trials in the sense that this was a randomized phase 3 trial evaluating a quadruplet regimen of daratumumab, bortezomib, lenalidomide, and dexamethasone versus the same combination without daratumumab in patients with newly-diagnosed, transplant-eligible multiple myeloma. For many in the field, we have moved towards using these quadruplets based on an earlier phase 2 randomized GRIFFIN trial. This was practice-affirming and perhaps practice-changing for a small proportion of patients in the community.

What this trial did was take patients who were transplant-eligible — who are fit and in the European and Australian countries where this was predominantly performed — and were randomized into receiving four drugs versus three drugs followed by stem cell transplant and then a doublet maintenance following consolidation therapy with the same regimen.

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Overall, what we saw was with a close to four-year follow-up, patients who received this four-drug regimen did a lot better and had longer progression-free survival at the four-year time point. Patients had a very deep response with this regimen achieving measurable residual disease negativity, both using very sensitive markers and sustaining over prolonged periods, which has been shown to be hopefully a surrogate for improved patient outcomes overall.

Within the US, many in the field have already taken up the practice of adopting this four-drug regimen based on the prior GRIFFIN study, but I think this was confirming and affirming for those of us who are doing that and practice-changing for those who were still using the triplet combination. This was perhaps one of the most exciting things to come out of this trial, among other things.

Jack: That’s fantastic. Dr. Fonseca, what about you? Can you describe an outcome you saw from ASH that was so important to the myeloma community?

Depending on how you measure and what the threshold is, we have studies showing that somewhere between 60 and 80% of patients can get into minimal residual disease.

Dr. Rafael Fonseca

Dr. Fonseca: What Dr. Bal described is the crux of what we saw at the 2023 ASH meeting. This is our key meeting where we see all this data.

No one would be surprised if we tell you we actually have a lot of fun being at that meeting because we’re with friends. We work the longest hours that we work in the year. Sometimes it’s hard to convince our family that it’s work because we’re all smiling, talking, and exchanging ideas, and then we go for dinner and discuss further.

It’s a wonderful time for us and more so given the progress we’re seeing in myeloma. The fact that we now have very strong data for what needs to be done in the front line is very important for patients.

At this moment, it’s beyond any doubt that we need to use the best treatments up front. For now, that means the incorporation of anti-CD38 monoclonal antibodies. Dr. Bal mentioned the use of daratumumab. We also have a similar molecule, isatuximab.

The clinical trials point to outstanding results, which could not be seen ever before in the treatment of myeloma. The results are so good that they’re now going to start challenging some of our assumptions.

We had the meta-analysis for the maintenance strategy for myeloma, where patients go through induction, get the transplant, and are placed on maintenance. But Dr. Luciano Costa has pointed out repeatedly that those maintenance studies were done where we could achieve a complete response in about 30 to 40% of patients, minimal MRD negativity, and sometimes patients were getting two drugs as induction.

One would say it was no surprise that more treatment was effective. Whether we call it maintenance or consolidation is semantics. Now we’re getting to the point where many patients have a complete response. Depending on how you measure and what the threshold is, we have studies showing that somewhere between 60 and 80% of patients can get into minimal residual disease.

We’re starting to ask: do you even need maintenance in those patients? I don’t claim in any way that we have the answers, but it reflects how fast things are moving forward. Breaking it down, as Dr. Bal did, is critical.

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For some people, we were practicing this, but for other people, either they need this for regulatory purposes across the globe or their reading of the medical literature is such that they want to have that phase 3 trial before they change clinical practice.

Right now, it would be rare that a patient would not be offered induction therapy with something, as we were describing. A lot of things are getting simplified. In a conversation with colleagues, I said the treatment of myeloma should always start with something like daratumumab, lenalidomide, and dexamethasone.

The secondary question is whether the patient needs to get a proteasome inhibitor, like bortezomib or carfilzomib, and whether they need to get a transplant. But then things get simplified because the best players rise to the very top of what we’re doing so I’m excited for what this means for patients.

Dr. Bal: I completely agree with Dr. Fonseca. I feel like some things are almost becoming cleaner as we go. I remember this discussion about three years ago where everybody wanted to know: would you give daratumumab to a transplant-eligible patient? The answer is becoming clearer and clearer that you want to use your best drugs upfront and make that first cut your deepest.

Recently, somebody asked me, “Is there a patient whom you would not give daratumumab to?” I said, “I don’t know who that would be because it’s such a well-tolerated, effective therapy.” Now I’m thinking more like what Dr. Fonseca said about which of the other agents you could potentially get rid of or improve upon, rather than the daratumumab.

I’m not saying we’re ready to dispense with transplants, but the data continues to show that deep responses, no matter how you get there, will result in better outcomes.

Dr. Rafael Fonseca

Front-Line Therapy for Transplant-Eligible Patients

Jack: Dr. Fonseca, one of the important trials — and Dr. Bal referred to it earlier as having been given special recognition at ASH as a plenary session — was the IsKia clinical trial, which compared carfilzomib, lenalidomide, and dexamethasone, adding isatuximab to it or not as front-line therapy for transplant-eligible patients. Isatuximab is like daratumumab in that they’re both CD38 monoclonal antibodies. It was another four-drug trial. Can you talk a little bit about that?

Dr. Fonseca: The reason something is given that plenary status is when the reviewers and the reviewing committee feel that there is something of such high value that reaches the high standards of evidence or that even potentially becomes immediately practice-changing.

This particular clinical trial was one more point in that direction where they started looking at the response rate and the MRD negativity rate for those patients. MRD negativity refers to measurable residual disease or minimal residual disease, which is nothing different than saying we have better markers to assess the depth of a response through mechanisms such as genetic testing.

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It’s becoming increasingly clear and very well-documented that achieving the status where you can no longer find measurable disease — using very sensitive tools where some can go at the level of detecting one cell out of a million — becomes a harbinger of great outcomes for patients, of durable responses, and ultimately improvements in the various metrics that we call survival. The IsKia trial shows that.

It’s very interesting to me for a couple of reasons. This is a different antibody, a different molecule than daratumumab, but the presumption by those in the field has been that we should see similar results. These antibodies carry nothing of what we call a payload. They’re a naked antibody so they go and bind to those cells. By doing that, they unleash our immune response to those cells. They’re able to kill more cells. We know that because the responses are better and the MRD is better.

In that particular trial, we have to wait a little bit longer to see over time what the outcomes will be on those metrics that people hear about, like progression-free survival and overall survival. But given what I said about MRD, all the indicators are that this will be a very useful approach for the treatment of patients.

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Everyone should get a CD38, like lenalidomide and dexamethasone, at least for the time being. But then the question is: what about these drugs that we call proteasome inhibitors? In this particular trial, they used carfilzomib. For me, that’s very interesting because that’s what I do in my clinical practice.

When we make decisions in our clinical practice, there are trade-offs. Carfilzomib is a sister medication of bortezomib. They’re both proteasome inhibitors, but each one has different toxicities.

There’s no clear-cut evidence that one is better than the other, but I don’t like the enduring toxicity that occurs with some of the other drugs, like bortezomib. That’s where we will be spending our time, talking about those types of drugs. Should we use bortezomib or carfilzomib? Both are standard of care and excellent treatment. There are nuances of why we choose one or the other.

There will be the question of transplant, too. If you have these regimens that can make patients have such a great response that they become “MRD negative,” the question will come forward: do you even need a transplant?

I’m not saying we’re ready to dispense with transplants, but the data continues to show that deep responses, no matter how you get there, will result in better outcomes. Maybe some patients will elect to say, “I’m going to collect cells and think about a transplant later.” That’s a very long, nuanced conversation but a reflection of the progress we’re making with this type of combination.

In terms of which proteasome inhibitor is the right choice, some of that depends on the patient’s profile, comorbidities that they already have, and age.

Dr. Susan Bal
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Triplet and Quadruplet Regimens

Cindy: Dr. Bal, you were saying that things are becoming cleaner, but now, we’re thinking about four drugs upfront, but which four drugs? Dr. Fonseca was alluding to it, but are there any considerations that you take into whether your proteasome inhibitor is going to be bortezomib or carfilzomib, or what CD38 monoclonal antibody to use? What goes through your mind now that you’re picking four drugs?

Dr. Bal: As Dr. Fonseca mentioned, the patient in front of you helps determine some of that. As you know, daratumumab and isatuximab are both anti-CD38 monoclonal antibodies. They are both very effective drugs.

However, one is subcutaneous so administration is a little bit easier with daratumumab, which is given as a short injection underneath the skin. The other one requires an IV. For now at least, until we have the subcutaneous version for isatuximab, I do believe that reduces share time and and patient inconvenience very much.

In terms of which proteasome inhibitor is the right choice, some of that depends on the patient’s profile, comorbidities that they already have, and age.

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For example, with bortezomib, we’re aware that the risk of peripheral neuropathy is significant and can be quite disabling even at lower grades. However, with carfilzomib, we have seen cardiac and renal toxicities. Even more than just objective data, a lot of people complain of subjective dyspnea and subjective shortness of breath, which can make it challenging for them to feel good during treatment.

Young, very robust, and perhaps high-risk patients are best stratified into the carfilzomib arms, and older patients, depending on their fitness, would then get either no proteasome inhibitor or a bortezomib-based option.

That part is rather individualized, without any clear data of one being overly more efficacious than the other, at least based on the data that we do have in front of us.

In very elderly, very frail patients, daratumumab is exceedingly both efficacious and quite safe, as long as you provide them with appropriate antibiotic coverage, close monitoring, vaccination, and perhaps even IVIG use to protect them from infections.

Dr. Susan Bal

Possibility of Quadruplet Treatment as Standard of Care

Cindy: Are there particular patients that you would not give the quadruplet regimen to, where you would probably go back to triplet therapy or maybe even doublets?

Dr. Bal: Incorporating frailty assessment and assessment of the patient’s overall performance status going beyond the eyeball test that we do is going to be critical in determining who is not fit to receive a quad.

In cases where there are concerns about the use of a proteasome inhibitor, particularly bortezomib, due to underlying diabetes or other comorbidities or the patient’s age and you’re concerned about cardiopulmonary toxicity with carfilzomib, as Dr. Fonseca also mentioned, daratumumab with lenalidomide and dexamethasone is an excellent option with high-level evidence of benefit.

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I would say for very old patients who are in their high 80s, even 90s, I would consider a doublet. What’s interesting is that the doublet I would consider would be a dara-dex type of combination or even single-agent dara because IMiDs require hematopoietic monitoring or blood work closely checked for low blood counts. The proteasome inhibitors carry all the concerns that we mentioned.

In very elderly, very frail patients, daratumumab is exceedingly both efficacious and quite safe, as long as you provide them with appropriate antibiotic coverage, close monitoring, vaccination, and perhaps even IVIG use to protect them from infections.

Does everyone need maintenance? I don’t know what the answer to that is yet, but I know that the question is very relevant.

Dr. Rafael Fonseca

Cindy: Dr. Fonseca, do you have anything to add to what Dr. Bal said? What about maintenance? Are you seeing single-drug or double-drug maintenance?

Dr. Fonseca: I want to emphasize one of the points that Dr. Bal made. If you asked me two years ago what I would do with a frail patient who has newly diagnosed myeloma, my response would have been lenalidomide and dexamethasone. However, we saw with the subset analysis in the context of the MAIA clinical trial that the addition of daratumumab significantly improved outcomes for these patients.

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I’m glad we have the data because we would be at significant risk of shortchanging patients in the line of thinking of beneficence. Let’s be kind. Let’s use mild treatments. But it turns out that the survival numbers are not as good.

Now, whenever we add a drug, we have to think whether we’re adding toxicity, but the reality is these antibodies are incredibly well-tolerated. It’s different to propose adding carfilzomib or not versus adding daratumumab. Today, I would say the vast majority of patients, even if they’re frail, should get something like daratumumab upfront.

Maintenance is really, really interesting. I’m hoping and I think we’re going to get there soon. Studies, like the ones done by the group of Dr. Bal, are using these adaptive strategies to look at whether we can stop therapy, which naturally leads to the next question. Does everyone need maintenance? I don’t know what the answer to that is yet, but I know that the question is very relevant.

We’re going to get to the point where we’re going to think of maintenance like people think of adjuvant therapy for breast cancer. You complete the surgery. They look at the lymph nodes and the genetic makeup of breast cancer and say whether you need chemotherapy or not. As we incorporate our genetic knowledge, the status of response after induction plus or minus transplant, then we are going to ask those questions.

Does everyone need maintenance? I think it’s going to diverge a little bit more to the extremes. There’s going to be greater contrast. For patients who have standard risk genetic factors, are able to complete induction therapy, have a transplant, and have MRD negativity 10-6, it’s going to be hard to prove that maintenance would have an added benefit. If so, hopefully something that’s better tolerated because, as we know, lenalidomide has significant burden toxicities for patients.

On the other hand, if the patient has residual disease, I don’t think there’s a good enough reason to say that’s what we do. That’s standard. I’m going to cross my fingers and wish that this is not going to come back. I think those are patients for whom we’re going to provide additional treatment for no other reason than to try to get rid of all residual myeloma cells.

I think that’s where we’re going to go with maintenance. I don’t foresee that maintenance, as we have it right now, where everyone gets lenalidomide. You get it until you can tolerate it and hopefully not have side effects or no disease progression. I think that has to change.

If you can eradicate evidence of disease, you can improve your outcomes significantly.

Dr. Susan Bal

Dr. Bal: I couldn’t agree more. We certainly share our opinions regarding the use of measurable residual disease. It’s become the single most important prognostic marker, one that is not defined at all when you’re first diagnosed but comes into play after therapy.

If you can eradicate evidence of disease, you can improve your outcomes significantly. Whether you’re starting as a high-risk patient or a standard-risk patient, getting to that milestone and, more importantly, maintaining that milestone can improve outcomes.

I think maintenance as we know it today will soon cease to exist, hopefully, but mostly because we’re either giving them more therapy, getting them where they need to be, or they’ve done so well because of the excellent therapies we have that we don’t need to continue suboptimal treatments that have other toxicities and risks associated with them.

In the lab, we essentially teach these cells using a viral vector to express receptors on their surface that can target cancer antigens within a patient’s body.

Dr. Susan Bal

CAR T-cell Therapy

Jack: As effective as the treatments are, myeloma still often comes back and one of the exciting new treatments going forward is CAR T-cell therapy. Dr. Bal, can you explain what CAR T-cell therapy is in conjunction with what you presented at ASH?

Dr. Bal: CAR T-cell therapy stands for chimeric antigen receptor T-cell therapy. Within our bodies, there are immune cells and one of those subtypes is T cells, which are normally working to keep our cancers in check. The thought is that these T cells are not working as well as they need to be and the cancer itself is finding mechanisms to evade our immune system, which is what results in disease relapse.

CAR T-cell therapy is a revolutionary therapy. We take out a patient’s T cells by apheresis, very similar to a procedure that patients go through when they do stem cell collection. In the lab, we essentially teach these cells using a viral vector to express receptors on their surface that can target cancer antigens within a patient’s body.

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Thereafter, we provide the patients with lymphodepletion chemotherapy, which is essentially chemotherapy that’s given to reduce the number of T cells which are within the patient’s body. We then infuse these chimeric antigen receptor T cells, which go and interact with the antigen, using their CAR receptor, and cause cancer killing or tumor death.

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This has been shown to be a very effective modality, particularly in patients who previously haven’t had very good treatment options after they’ve been through the three main pillars of therapy, like CD38 monoclonal antibodies, immunomodulatory agents, and proteasome inhibitors. These patients previously had dismal outcomes measured in single-digit months. Now with these therapies, they’re living longer and having excellent responses, including several that are MRD negative even in late-line disease settings.

At this time, there is FDA approval for two chimeric antigen receptor therapies in myeloma that target the B-cell maturation antigen. This is an antigen that is present on the surface of plasma cells in general and more on the surface of malignant plasma cells or cancer cells. Using this target, we have seen very impressive responses of up to 98% overall responses with one of the FDA-approved agents, known as cilta-cel. This is shown to be an effective avenue.

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What we presented at the 2023 ASH meeting is a chimeric antigen receptor T-cell therapy that targets a different antigen known as GPRC5D. This antigen is also one that is expressed preferentially on the surface of these cancer cells and has limited expression across normal tissues, although we do see some expression on tissues such as heart keratinized tissues, on the skin, on nail beds, and in hair follicles. We see some typical side effects, including dyskinesia, with treatments that target this therapy.

Overall, GPRC5D has been shown to be a promising therapeutic target in myeloma. We already have a different immune strategy that’s working against this and is FDA-approved.

In this phase 1 study, we evaluated a CAR T cell that is targeting GPRC5D in patients with relapsed myeloma. What we saw is that in a heavily pre-treated patient population who have received a median of five prior lines of therapy, this was associated with deep responses overall. In about 73 patients who were efficacy available, meaning were available for response assessment, we saw that 88% of the patients had a response.

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For the first time, we shared the recommended phase 2 dose, which is the dose that’s going to be moving forward. It was determined at about 150 million CAR T cells. What was encouraging was that the response rate for this recommended phase 2 dose was 91%. At that dose level, we saw low-grade CRS. No patient had grade 3 or higher CRS. There were no cases of other serious toxicities, such as macrophage activation syndrome, etc. This dose was efficacious.

So far, the follow-up for this dose cohort is relatively short so we don’t know what the long-term progression-free survival and overall survival are going to be. But the responses are deep. We need to follow the study longer to understand the more important and relevant outcomes, like progression-free survival and overall survival.

If they work well downstream, as is true for every single myeloma drug, we keep bringing them towards the forefront. The results are quite remarkable.

Dr. Rafael Fonseca

Jack: Dr. Bal mentioned that there are a couple of approved CAR Ts available for patients now, except for the fact that they require four-plus lines of prior therapy.

There are trials and announcements of results from those trials, like CARTITUDE-4 and KarMMa-3, that are testing these same CAR T-cell therapies in earlier lines of treatment. Can you talk about the results in relation to a patient’s quality of life?

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Dr. Fonseca: I think that is probably the key aspect of all of this. As you mentioned, two trials are looking at CAR T-cell therapy earlier on: KarMMa-3 with 2 to 4 prior lines of therapy and CARTITUDE-4 with 1 to 3.

What they explored is if they work well downstream, as is true for every single myeloma drug, we keep bringing them towards the forefront. The results are quite remarkable. Many of you saw the presentations and ultimately the publication of the CARTITUDE-4, which was presented at ASCO as well as EHA and published in the New England Journal.

What we’re seeing is this treatment can provide very durable responses that can go on for years for some patients. Then, of course, the natural question is: how does this compare to other treatments? We have effective treatments that can work very well in someone who is experiencing a first relapse, such as the combination of daratumumab, carfilzomib, and dexamethasone or isatuximab, carfilzomib, and dexamethasone.

But the one big advantage of CAR T-cell therapy is that it’s “one and done.” We’re seeing patients who are reporting very high levels of quality of life and making statements like, “I haven’t felt this well in such a long time.” It’s not because CAR T-cell therapy gives you superpowers. It gets rid of all of the side effects that come with treatment.

Even the most benign of treatments involves logistics, medications, blood draws or venipuncture, and some have side effects that come from the chemicals or the biologics that are used. Even in the best-case scenario, it’s something that the patient has to do. The idea that you’re done and all that needs to be done is occasional labs to monitor becomes very appealing.

I think that’s probably going to be the number one driver. Of course, we’re very excited. We’re hoping to see these treatments have very, very long-lasting benefits for some patients. But even if they were not, for some, the ability to be treatment-free would be beautiful.

I always quote our colleague, Dr. Amrita Krishnan from City of Hope. She said that one of the unmet needs in myeloma is to stop therapy so even if it’s temporary, for some hopefully more durable, this would be a way to achieve that.

Jack: I have patients in my support group who say exactly what you say. Some are without treatment three years after their CAR T-cell therapy but even those who relapsed sooner, like within six or ten months, say they would do it all over again because they had that drug-free period that they were so appreciative of.

We know that patients, after having the CAR Ts, can sometimes have prolonged periods of low blood counts and no one really knows why.

Dr. Rafael Fonseca
Side Effects of CAR T-cell Therapy

Jack: That said, Dr. Fonseca, I want to ask another question about a specific CAR T-cell therapy side effect having to do with secondary myeloid cancers, like acute myeloid leukemia (AML) and myelodysplastic syndrome (MDS). I’m hearing some concerns about that and wonder what your take is on what’s out there.

Dr. Fonseca: First of all, I’m going to say that we don’t completely understand this and many other factors may come into play.

The FDA recently put an announcement that a fraction of patients, up to 10% in the series that was reported, could develop secondary myeloid malignancies. These are the cells that produce your regular white cells and the conditions that follow from that are either leukemia, acute leukemia, or the preceding stage, which we call myelodysplasia, which is concerning as well to us as physicians.

There are many reasons why this could be nothing more than the reflection of patients living longer and patients who have had exposure before to a number of agents and drugs that are clearly known to cause this. This could include things such as melphalan, which is used for stem cell transplant, but also some of the drugs that are used for the priming of the body for CAR T cells, including fludarabine.

On the other hand, there might be other reasons why this could be linked to CAR T-cell therapy. You’re going to hear more about this as people do the research. For instance, we know that patients, after having the CAR Ts, can sometimes have prolonged periods of low blood counts and no one really knows why.

For instance, in the case of BCMA. BCMA is predominantly expressed in B cells, not in these myeloid cells. How come we have myelosuppression? We don’t know for sure. But if you have that, then there are a lot of hypotheses that can come forward. Does that create an environment that maybe selects for clones that are going to do this? Does that create an inflammatory situation that maybe allows for the progression of some of those pre-malignant clones?

The threat is much greater from unattended myeloma. While we want to have perfect treatments with no side effects, for someone who’s considering CAR T-cell therapy, it’s much better to get it than not, despite these considerations.

Dr. Rafael Fonseca

Our audience is familiar with the term MGUS (monoclonal gammopathy of undetermined significance). As you know, we have myeloma and you have MGUS, and this is a prototype of this stepwise progression. It turns out there’s a similar thing that happens for myeloid cells that there’s something called CHIP (clonal hematopoiesis of indeterminate potential) and it turns out to be very common. It’s one of the things that happens to all of us in life as we age. You develop these premalignant states and CHIP is very common. It can be seen in up to 40% of people.

The question is: what are the CAR Ts doing that maybe makes some of this CHIP grow more or the CHIP cells be favored? We don’t know, but this is an important question.

But practically speaking, as of now, the threat is much greater from unattended myeloma. While we want to have perfect treatments with no side effects, for someone who’s considering CAR T-cell therapy, it’s much better to get it than not, despite these considerations.

Jack: They have other options, like bispecific antibodies.

One of the best parts about bispecific antibodies is the fact that you don’t have this lag time or delay that comes with manufacturing associated with CAR T cells.

Dr. Susan Bal

Bispecific Antibodies

Cindy: Dr. Bal, I hear patients sometimes refer to bispecific antibodies as off-the-shelf CAR Ts and I know they’re not. Can you explain the difference between a bispecific antibody and a CAR T?

Dr. Bal: Bispecific antibodies are antibody fragments. I typically describe them to my patients as a little Y-shaped linker. This is an antibody with two prongs if you will. On one hand, it uses the CD3 molecule to catch the T cell and on the other hand, it has an antigen receptor for one of the myeloma targets.

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Currently, we have bispecific antibodies that target cancer cells using the same antigens that we talked about for CAR T-cell therapy, such as B-cell maturation antigen (BCMA) or GPRC5D. They target the cancer cell using one of these antigens and bring the two close so that cancer cell killing by the immune system can occur.

One of the best parts about bispecific antibodies is the fact that you don’t have this lag time or delay that comes with manufacturing associated with CAR T cells. These therapies are off the shelf. They utilize the patient’s own T cells, bring them close to the cancer cells, and result in cancer cell killing.

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Oftentimes, where we don’t have the time or the manufacturing capability or the slot allocation, or all of those patients who are not necessarily being treated at a large center with CAR T-cell capabilities, this provides an avenue to use new immune treatments and immunotherapies for a wider range of patients. It has the potential to reach many more patients, given the current state of affairs, at least in 2023 and 2024, and so presents a very exciting option for our patients.

Some could argue they don’t have as of yet the same horsepower as some of the CAR Ts. Many of us are thinking of using them down the line, but some of them in combination are incredibly, incredibly active.

Dr. Rafael Fonseca
ASH 2023 Updates on Bispecific Antibodies

Cindy: Dr. Fonseca, were there any major updates on bispecifics at ASH 2023 that we should know about?

Dr. Fonseca: We had a number of updates from some of the longer-term outcomes and some of the studies that are looking at bispecifics in various combinations, including with some of the traditional agents. I’m very interested to see how this plays out.

What we’re seeing is that bispecifics, first of all, are very active. Some could argue they don’t have as of yet the same horsepower as some of the CAR Ts. Many of us are thinking of using them down the line, but some of them in combination are incredibly, incredibly active.

There are clinical trials looking at bispecifics in combination with pomalidomide, bispecifics between themselves, and bispecifics with daratumumab in combination. There’s a trial that combines talquetamab and teclistamab, the RedirecTT-1 trial.

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We have new constructs that are being developed. We saw a presentation about something called a trispecific so instead of having one side that a bispecific can attach to, there are bispecifics that could attach to two different anchor points that these myeloma cells have.

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Now, I’m particularly interested in bispecifics because the possibility that many more patients be treated is there for bispecifics than for CAR T-cell therapy. CAR T-cell therapy requires centers of excellence and referral patterns, and there are wait times for cell production. Whereas with the bispecifics, they’re “off the shelf.”

It’s going to take some time. People have to become familiarized with this, but in the future, we’ll see community hospitals and mid-sized hospitals administering these bispecifics, which in my mind is wonderful because many more patients will derive benefit from this type of therapy.

This is the beginning of a new era in cancer treatment because solid tumors are being explored for bispecifics so lung cancer might be treated with this. Oncologists in the future will certainly need to be facile and comfortable with the use of bispecific antibodies.

There’s a lot of push for fixed-duration therapy. One of the greatest reasons, beyond patients having to come to the hospital or clinic and the treatment and travel burden, is the side effect profile.

Dr. Susan Bal
Dosage & Administration of Bispecific Antibodies

Cindy: Dr. Bal, can you talk about the dosing and schedule of bispecifics?

Dr. Bal: Currently, three FDA-approved bispecific antibodies are on the market. We have two agents targeting BCMA: teclistamab and elranatamab. Both target the B-cell maturation antigen. As of right now, these drugs are typically given on an ongoing basis until disease progression or unacceptable toxicity.

Typically, these start in the hospital with a small portion of inpatient hospitalization. Patients receive step-up dosing to minimize the risk of certain side effects. Afterward, they go on to weekly or every two weeks. In this fashion, they go on until the patients continue to respond or come off due to side effects.

However, patients take a median of a little over a month to respond to these agents and up to about six months to get into a complete response. Often, these responses are very deep. In patients who go off treatment because of side effects, we see that some of these patients can maintain their response for years without treatment.

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There’s a lot of push for fixed-duration therapy. One of the greatest reasons, beyond patients having to come to the hospital or clinic and the treatment and travel burden, is the side effect profile. These B-cell maturation antigen-directed bispecific antibodies have a lot of infection risk.

Seventy-plus percent of patients get infections and 40 to 50% of these can often be grade 3 or higher, which can be quite serious. These infection risks, particularly oftentimes infection with unusual things that we don’t typically see in myeloma patients, have also enhanced some of our concerns about using these agents on a prolonged basis in patients whose disease may be controlled.

Multiple factors are at play so there’s a lot of interest in studying fixed-duration therapy of these agents to tailor it to a patient’s response and be able to discontinue these therapies once they’re responding to optimize their risk and benefit profiles.

We know that when we use several agents that target the same anchor, there is a possibility that you could develop resistance so we’ll have to wait and see.

Dr. Rafael Fonseca

Antibody-Drug Conjugates

Cindy: Dr. Fonseca, we talked about CAR T-cell therapy and bispecific antibodies. Let’s talk about antibody-drug conjugates. We had one that was approved through accelerated approval and then taken off the market but now it may be back. Could you talk about BLENREP (belantamab mafodotin)?

Dr. Fonseca: Antibody-drug conjugates are antibodies that carry a payload. There’s usually a chemical entity attached to an antibody. In general, what happens is the antibodies bind to the cell surface and go inside the cell. They’re eaten into the cell where they release that chemical structure.

One of those antigens is belantamab. When it first started, it showed very, very high rates of response. Quite promising responses. It went through regulatory approval for a fast-track approval.

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Unfortunately, there had to be a confirmatory phase 3 trial that did not meet the endpoint. That means that the data for the trial would not support the complete approval by the FDA. The product has been since withdrawn from the market but is available on a compassionate basis.

This is a highly active compound. It comes with some baggage. One of the main baggage is toxicity to the eyes. Something we call keratopathy and that’s inflammation of the outside layer of the eye, the cornea. As we’re learning how to use it in better doses, that has been a little bit better tolerated. It’s not to say it doesn’t exist, but people are understanding better how to use this.

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We learned about two very exciting trials. One of them is the DREAMM-7 trial, which was belantamab, lenalidomide, and dexamethasone versus daratumumab, lenalidomide, and dexamethasone. We’re told the trial is positive meaning there are favorable effects of the belantamab. We’ll have to see what the actual numbers show.

There’s another one that was recently published called the ALGONQUIN clinical trial, which is a combination of belantamab, pomalidomide, and dexamethasone, which has pretty interesting results.

The question is going to be: how do we time all of this? Belantamab targets BCMA as well, too, so that means it could compete with bispecifics and CAR Ts. We know that when we use several agents that target the same anchor, there is a possibility that you could develop resistance so we’ll have to wait and see.

ADCs are one of the hottest things right now in biotech and development for solid tumors as well, too. I heard from people who were at one of those recent conferences that a lot of companies are interested in them. I think we’ll see a comeback of ADCs in myeloma and in other diseases as well, too.

I have patients right now who are still enjoying the benefits of the prior administration of belantamab.

Dr. Rafael Fonseca

Cindy: Do you think Blenrep will be coming back on the market?

Dr. Fonseca: It’s interesting. I’m not currently up to date on what the regulatory pathway will be for that to occur. I think it will, but the results are exciting. The question is how this will compare to some of the other things that I’m mentioning with bispecifics.

I have patients right now who are still enjoying the benefits of the prior administration of belantamab. They have since resolved the eye toxicity. In all cases, with time, the eye toxicity improves. These are patients that may have gotten a short course of treatment with belantamab and remain under excellent control right now.

It’s always better to have more options. I don’t think I would venture out to say exactly how we’re going to sequence this because of the issues of resistance, but I certainly would welcome having that back in our toolkit.

Cindy: I agree. More options are better because we’re also unique and what works for one person may not work for somebody else so I’m glad to have as many bullets in our arsenal as possible.

BCL2 inhibition has a place and hopefully, we’ll find FDA approval soon so we can use it more freely and benefit this unique subset of patients.

Dr. Susan Bal

BCL2 Inhibitors for Myeloma

Jack: Dr. Bal, venetoclax is well-known out there. It’s an approved drug for chronic lymphocytic leukemia (CLL) or small lymphocytic lymphoma (SLL), but it gets used off-label in myeloma patients who have a translocation called t(11;14). At ASH, something called sonrotoclax was introduced as the next-generation venetoclax. Do you have any comments about that particular new drug?

Dr. Bal: Translocation t(11;14) myeloma is a subtype of myeloma that’s a little bit of a different disease itself. It’s a distinct entity and a distinct subtype of myeloma, which responds a little bit differently to different agents. It has a higher dependency on BCL2 inhibition, which is a key part of what drives this myeloma and, therefore, inhibiting it in this space helps drive treatment responses.

We know venetoclax is an effective therapy. Unfortunately, the randomized trials have not worked very much in favor of it. However, those of us who use it and single-arm studies have shown impressive responses in this subset of myeloma patients.

At the ASH 2023 meeting, we looked at a novel BCL2 inhibitor, which is supposed to be at least 10 times more effective and more selective for BCL2 inhibition. It’s called sonrotoclax and they are studying it in a phase 1 setting in several countries. They’re looking to first get the right dose and then expand it in combination with carfilzomib to best understand how these patients respond.

We know venetoclax is an effective therapy. Unfortunately, the randomized trials have not worked very much in favor of it.

Dr. Susan Bal

What we have seen at ASH 2023 was a result from about 19 patients, 10 of whom got the recommended phase 2 dose, which is going to move forward in studies. What we saw was very impressive single-agent activity in combination with dexamethasone at the recommended phase 2 dose of 70%.

What was even more impressive to me was the complete lack of dose-limiting toxicities. There were really minimal side effects that would prevent dose-finding and dose escalation, and a very low risk of low blood counts, which was something that we thought we would see.

The drug was very, very well tolerated. I recall maybe a single patient with high-grade diarrhea and maybe a COVID-19 infection, which was ongoing during the study. Overall, the safety profile is very impressive with responses in combination with dexamethasone of 70% at the recommended phase 2 dose. As the study accrues more patients and studies combinations with carfilzomib, I think it will be exciting.

I will also touch on some of the data that was presented by Dr. Bahlis, which was venetoclax in combination with daratumumab, which showed very impressive responses. Although the patient population was less heavily pre-treated and mostly daratumumab-naive, response rates and measurable residual disease negative states were very, very impressive. BCL2 inhibition has a place and hopefully, we’ll find FDA approval soon so we can use it more freely and benefit this unique subset of patients.

The long-term use of dexamethasone is not contributing much to the control of the disease and we know for sure it’s contributing to the burden of side effects.

Dr. Rafael Fonseca

Dexamethasone Dose Reduction

Jack: Dr. Fonseca, we patients always appreciate it when we learn that doses can be reduced. When we hear that dexamethasone dosing can be reduced, we get giddy about it.

At ASH 2023, there was a presentation that looked retrospectively at a couple of SWOG trials, S0777 and S1211, which looked at patients who had lower dex dosage. Can you talk about that and what that might mean for patients going forward?

Dr. Fonseca: Whenever we discuss treatments with a patient, I usually emphasize that the hardest part is probably going to be the dexamethasone, for reasons you know better than I do. It all started several years ago with a patient, Michael Katz, who said, “We get too much dexamethasone. What can you do about that?” That led to the design of E4A03, which changed our paradigm that we now use dexamethasone at what we call “low doses.”

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When my endocrinology friends see those doses, they tell us, “What are you doing? This is a massive dose of dexamethasone.” That was a significant change. We used to use 12 days per cycle, that is 12 out of 28 days at 40 mg of dexamethasone.

We’ve moved forward but have not completely gotten rid of it. From what we know now, as you go on with treatment, as shown by the studies mentioned, as the patient gets stabilized, it becomes increasingly clear that the long-term use of dexamethasone is not contributing much to the control of the disease and we know for sure it’s contributing to the burden of side effects. It should be noted that several studies are showing that. Clinicians need to be cautious and need to adjust the doses of dexamethasone.

In the beginning, most of us feel that patients need a little bit of dexamethasone to “jump start” a good response. But even then, you can do some dose adjustments. In patients of more advanced age, we often will use 20 mg instead of 40 mg. As well, in patients who have amyloidosis, we’ll make adjustments like that.

Is there a way by which we can tell who is going to benefit from the addition of the steroids?

Dr. Rafael Fonseca

It’s important to be mindful of this because patients should not be on 40 mg of dexamethasone once a week for a long time. In general, this is not something that we should be using long-term for maintenance. It can be used short-term for consolidation or other reasons.

The field continues to move in that direction. One patient once asked me, “You always talk about lenalidomide resistance, but you never say dexamethasone resistance. How do you know if it’s contributing down the line?” That is one question that we need to go back and address.

At the beginning of myeloma drug development, there were a lot of people who were interested in resistance to steroids, like Dr. Steve Rosen from City of Hope, and we abandoned that line of thinking. We need to go back and say: is there a way by which we can tell who is going to benefit from the addition of the steroids?

Sometimes, myeloma is very aggressive and very difficult to control. But please don’t assume that because you’re facing this diagnosis, there’s an imminent threat that for sure will be life-limiting because the treatments continue to get better.

Dr. Rafael Fonseca

Final Takeaways

Cindy: If you had one key takeaway that you want patients to hear, what would it be?

Dr. Bal: For me, the most exciting thing in myeloma right now is immunotherapy. The prospect of these new agents that use our immune system to kill cancer cells is really innovative and exciting. I can’t wait to understand how best we can use these strategies to provide fixed-duration treatment and lead to the longest possible remission in a low or undetectable cancer state, such that our patients can have an excellent quality of life.

Dr. Fonseca: We’re very excited and positively so because of the developments in myeloma. We fully realize it would be better to meet you in social circumstances or at coffee somewhere else. But right now, if you’re diagnosed with myeloma, for many, many patients, there are options such that myeloma should not be an immediate threat.

In fact, for many patients, we develop this relationship, as Dr. Bal was saying, and then we track along with you for years and even decades for some patients. It’s not unusual for us to see patients in the clinic well beyond 10 years, sometimes 15 and 20-plus years. I am convinced some of those patients have been cured because of effective frontline therapy. But even for those who haven’t, there are often times options for treatment.

Unfortunately, I know this is not a reality for everyone. Sometimes, myeloma is very aggressive and very difficult to control. But please don’t assume that because you’re facing this diagnosis, there’s an imminent threat that for sure will be life-limiting because the treatments continue to get better.

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Jack: For any myeloma patient and care partner, stay educated. There are so many new treatments coming so quickly for myeloma and they are for different target audiences: newly diagnosed as well as relapse patients.

One way to stay educated is to listen to programs like this. Check out the myeloma advocacy websites that offer webinars and videos. Join a support group and make sure to understand the best questions to ask your doctor.

Cindy: It’s important for patients to be seen by a myeloma specialist. Anytime a patient has to have a treatment decision to make, it’s imperative that they get guidance from a myeloma specialist. There are so many new treatments available, new data being presented on different treatments that are now coming to market, and clinical trials so it’s overwhelming.

Conclusion

Stephanie: Thank you so much, Jack and Cindy, for being our incredible patient advocates and moderators. Also to Drs. Fonseca and Bal for the work and research you do to help move the landscape of treatment options in multiple myeloma. 

We hope that you walk away with a better understanding of the latest treatments and clinical trials in myeloma. They may or may not be right for you, but it is our goal to make sure you feel empowered to make a decision for yourself.

Thank you and we hope to see you again at a future program at The Patient Story.

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The Latest in Hodgkin Lymphoma: Treatment Options in 2024

The Latest in Hodgkin Lymphoma

What are My Treatment Options in 2024?

Edited by: Katrina Villareal

Where is Hodgkin lymphoma headed in 2024? Two-time Hodgkin’s lymphoma survivor Dr. Sam Siegel discusses with top lymphoma experts, Dr. Natalie Grover of UNC Health and Dr. Stephen Ansell of Mayo Clinic, as they break down what patients and caregivers need to know!

Key topics include the latest treatment options and clinical trials, reducing toxicity from treatments, advances in post-transplant relapse, and the roles of CAR T-cell therapy and bispecific antibodies in the treatment of Hodgkin lymphoma.

Introduction

Current, Standard Treatments

Latest Advancements in Treatment

SWOG S1826 trial

Bispecific Antibodies

CAR T-Cell Therapy

Stem Cell Transplant

Developments in Salvage Therapy


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This program is brought to you by The Patient Story in partnership with The Leukemia & Lymphoma Society and Imerman Angels.



Introduction

Stephanie Chuang, The Patient Story

Stephanie Chuang, The Patient Story: My name is Stephanie Chuang, the founder of The Patient Story. I also got a blood cancer diagnosis a few years ago. Mine was non-Hodgkin lymphoma, but we have so many shared experiences in what we’re looking for and that’s what The Patient Story is all about.

We help both patients and care partners navigate a cancer diagnosis. We do this primarily through in-depth conversations with patients, care partners, and top cancer specialists.

We’re so proud to be partnering with The Leukemia & Lymphoma Society and Imerman Angels for this program. 

I also want to give special thanks to Seagen for supporting our educational program. Their support helps programs like this become more available and free for our audience. We want to note that The Patient Story retains full editorial control of this entire program and that this is not meant to be a substitute for medical advice. 

Our patient moderator, Dr. Sam Siegel, will be leading the conversation from this point forward. 

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Sam Siegel, MD, Patient Advocate

Dr. Sam Siegel: Thanks, Stephanie! I’m a two-time Hodgkin’s lymphoma survivor, bone marrow transplant survivor, and primary care physician doing survivorship medicine. I’m here to have this wonderful conversation with Dr. Natalie Grover and Dr. Stephen Ansell about Hodgkin lymphoma updates.

Natalie Grover, MD

Sam: Dr. Natalie Grover is a hematologist-oncologist at the UNC School of Medicine. She’s the clinical director of the cellular therapy program, leads several CAR T-cell therapy clinical trials in lymphoma, and strives to improve treatment options and quality of life for lymphoma patients.

Dr. Grover, can you tell us a little bit about yourself, what drew you to lymphoma, and about your approach to patients and how you care for them?

Dr. Natalie Grover: I was drawn to oncology as a maternal medicine resident. Much of it was based on my relationship with patients whom I saw in the inpatient oncology ward. When I saw those patients, I always wanted to go back and find out more about what happened to them and form connections with them.

There were so many discoveries and new treatments available. Even during residency, the treatment landscape was changing so much and that drove me to oncology.

I like how heterogeneous lymphoma is and how it involves a wide patient population of both young and older patients. It’s truly a systemic disease. There are so many different types of lymphoma so my clinic is a very heterogeneous mix of different patients and I enjoy that.

Sam: That makes a lot of sense. Lymphoma is the umbrella, but it’s a lot of different diseases that can affect multiple parts of the body. I could see how that’s interesting.

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Stephen Ansell, MD, PhD

Sam: Dr. Stephen Ansell is a hematologist-oncologist at the Mayo Clinic who studies and specializes in Hodgkin’s lymphoma. His research has led to the use of immune checkpoint therapy in lymphomas, which is a very exciting development. His goal is to translate his research into new treatment approaches.

Dr. Ansell, can you tell us about your path into lymphoma, what drew you to the field, and your approach to patients?

Dr. Stephen Ansell

Dr. Stephen Ansell: I trained in South Africa. I was very focused on internal medicine, but they needed someone to do some work temporarily in oncology and assigned me. 

When I got there, similar to Dr. Grover, I was excited about the opportunity, the disease, the patients, and how we could make a difference based on the fact that treatments were highly effective and beneficial. Patients benefited substantially even from initial treatments back in the day of more chemotherapy.

What has been exciting for me throughout my career has been to see how we can change treatments by increasing the number of people who benefit and hopefully get cured, and decreasing the side effects and toxicities by being able to find effective therapies that aren’t that hard on patients.

Sam: Your areas of interest and passion are so personally meaningful to me and my lymphoma journey, and I think will resonate with a lot of people.

Even though I had some side effects from the brentuximab at the highest dose that I first started it on, it still felt like a cakewalk compared to my initial drug regimen.

Dr. Sam Siegel

Sam’s Hodgkin Lymphoma Story

Sam: I was diagnosed with stage 2AE Hodgkin’s lymphoma and the reason that 2AE is important is because E means extranodal manifestations. I had some lung involvement and it was confusing whether or not I was a stage 2 with right around the lymph nodes in that lung or stage 4. That was going to impact how many months of chemotherapy I would have.

I started with ABVD chemotherapy. Within two months, the initial cough that I had at the time of diagnosis improved pretty quickly. Towards the end of those two months, I started getting a cough again. My PET scan looked good so the thought was that bleomycin was probably to blame for that cough.

We dropped bleomycin and it felt pretty okay making that decision. I suspected that something else was going on, but because the scan had come back clean, we decided to watch and wait.

Samantha S. ABVD
Samantha S. 39th birthday at Brentuximab infusion

About a month or two after that, I developed symptoms that were eerily reminiscent of my initial diagnosis, such as wheezing in the upper left side of my chest, which I knew wasn’t normal, and a pea-sized lump above my collarbone in a very similar location to where the initial lump was.

I suspected that those were Hodgkin lymphoma symptoms and sought care right away. The PET scan showed that I was most likely having a relapse.

It was a process to get the tissue to confirm the relapse. I had to have three biopsies, with the third one involving a thoracic surgery to get a lymph node right near my heart.

By that time, I felt so beaten up by traditional cytotoxic chemotherapy. New information was coming around about salvage therapy, which is the therapy after a person has relapsed from initial therapy. At that time, I didn’t feel that I could go through another few months of multi-drug traditional cytotoxic chemotherapy.

Data was coming out about brentuximab, an antibody-drug conjugate, and using that as a bridge to autologous bone marrow transplant. My oncologist said, “These trials showed that this could be an effective bridge to transplant. What do you think?” I said yes because I wanted to go for the therapy with the least amount of toxicity.

Even though I had some side effects from the brentuximab at the highest dose that I first started it on, it still felt like a cakewalk compared to my initial drug regimen.

That goes to show how important the science is and the clinical trials that inform oncologists how to adjust therapies, especially therapies that were traditionally pretty toxic in terms of long-term and late-term effects.

Samantha S. BMT prep

There are always ways in which we’re trying to make treatment better… we’re trying to replace radiation therapy by utilizing new agents.

Dr. Stephen Ansell

Standard of Care: First-Line Treatments

Sam: Dr. Ansell, can you tell us about the current standard first-line treatments and their efficacy for Hodgkin lymphoma?

Dr. Ansell: In many respects, we think about it in two buckets: people who have more limited-stage disease (only on one side of the diaphragm, either above or below) or advanced-stage disease (both sides of the diaphragm, in the bone marrow, or other tissues).

With limited-stage disease, we again think of two buckets. These are different symptoms and other tests to determine prognostic factors. If you have favorable prognostic factors, we treat you with very minimal chemotherapy. If you have more symptoms and unfavorable factors, we will treat you with a little bit more treatment. If you have advanced disease, we give you more treatment yet again.

There are always ways in which we’re trying to make treatment better, but the most standard way is if you have very limited disease with good favorable factors, we often will give two rounds of chemotherapy treatment and then consider consolidation radiation treatment.

If you have a more advanced disease, still limited to one side of the diaphragm but with more unfavorable factors, we would give more chemotherapy and more radiation treatment. Then for advanced-stage disease, we would give chemotherapy and no radiation treatment.

However, we’re trying to replace radiation therapy by utilizing new agents. We’ve used PET scans to tell us who might need extra treatment or not. I have to hedge a little bit because a lot of it is individualized and that’s the most important thing.

It’s so important to raise awareness about the importance of being involved in clinical trials and knowing that you don’t have to have failed multiple lines of therapy before you consider them.

Dr. Sam Siegel

Sam: Absolutely. How do you decide? There are different prognostic systems so if somebody is unfavorable in one and favorable in others, how do you factor that in?

Dr. Ansell: Pick one system and utilize the data supported by that system. The German Hodgkin Study Group has done a lot of work in this space. In our practice, we tend to use the prognostic system that they use because that helps us standardize treatment.

What we want to do is always push the envelope. We encourage people to participate in clinical trials that are testing new ways compared to the standard ways to see if we can optimize treatment even further.

Sam: I love that. Thank you for bringing up clinical trials. It’s so important to raise awareness about the importance of being involved in clinical trials and knowing that you don’t have to have failed multiple lines of therapy before you consider them.

Clinical trials can be for everyone and there are so many different types of situations where somebody could need a clinical trial. We’re looking at things to de-escalate therapy or alter treatments based on a patient’s situation.

Dr. Ansell: I would say you’re exactly right. The most impressive and important data that has come out on Hodgkin lymphoma is in the front line based on recent clinical trials. Everyone needs to remember that what we do currently is based on people who have participated in clinical trials that have changed how we practice.

Standardly, we utilize new agents, like PD-1 blocking antibodies or brentuximab vedotin plus chemotherapy, rather than chemotherapy alone because that’s improved the outcome of patients. Especially in advanced-stage patients, that’s now the standard of care.

The two biggest drugs that have transformed the care for Hodgkin lymphoma in the past 5 to 10 years are brentuximab vedotin… and checkpoint inhibitors.

Dr. Natalie Grover

Latest Advancements in Treatments

Sam: Dr. Grover, what are some of the newest and hottest treatments for Hodgkin lymphoma?

Dr. Grover: I think the hottest advances in Hodgkin lymphoma are related to incorporating some of these new treatments into earlier lines of therapy to try to both improve outcomes so increase the chance of cure and reduce long-term toxicities.

The two biggest drugs that have transformed the care for Hodgkin lymphoma in the past 5 to 10 years are brentuximab vedotin, which is an antibody-drug conjugate. It delivers chemotherapy specifically to the cancer cells.

The cancer cells in Hodgkin lymphoma have a marker on them—CD30—that’s pretty much universally seen in all the Reed-Sternberg cells, the cancer cells in Hodgkin lymphoma. Brentuximab specifically targets those.

The other drugs are what people may have heard of called checkpoint inhibitors. These immunotherapies help the immune system fight Hodgkin’s lymphoma.

When they incorporated these drugs—nivolumab, pembrolizumab, and brentuximab—they were successful in relapsed/refractory disease. Now they’re being moved to earlier lines of therapy to try to reduce the amount of chemotherapy that we’re giving patients and hopefully to enhance care in these patients.

By limiting chemotherapy and radiation, can you improve patient outcomes?

Dr. Natalie Grover

Sam: How about some recent clinical trials for reducing toxicity? I heard about AHOD2131.

Dr. Grover: There’s a clinical trial for pediatric and adult patients looking at whether we can incorporate these newer treatments, brentuximab and checkpoint inhibitors, in newly diagnosed Hodgkin lymphoma patients.

Everyone gets two cycles of standard chemotherapy then patients get randomized to either getting these new treatments, brentuximab and nivolumab, or continuing to standard chemotherapy.

The question is: by limiting chemotherapy and radiation, can you improve patient outcomes? One thing they want to look at is cure rates and long-term survival from a Hodgkin’s standpoint, but they’re also collecting data looking at quality of life patient-reported outcomes.

The top priority is curing their lymphoma, but we also want to think about the quality of life for patients moving forward and making sure that they live long lives.

Dr. Natalie Grover

Sam: That’s incredible. When you’re talking about late-term effects or reducing toxicities, what are some of the things that we’re trying to reduce long-term?

Dr. Grover: One of the chemotherapy drugs that we give patients can affect their heart function so some of the things that we think about are the risk of heart disease down the line.

One of the drugs that we’re using a lot less often now can affect lung function so we look at issues with lung function past therapy.

With some of these drugs and using more brentuximab, another thing that we’re thinking about is neuropathy. Patients can have some nerve damage and issues with pain, numbness, and tingling or doing different functions, like texting, typing, or writing.

With young patients, another thing we think about is fertility. Even though many of these patients can have children in the future as a lot of these earlier treatments don’t have as big an effect on fertility, it’s still something we think about, especially if we need to escalate people who have a disease that relapses or need more aggressive therapies.

We also think of secondary cancers. Some chemotherapy and radiation may increase the risk of having other cancers.

The positive is that most of these patients live long enough for us to focus on that and think about these effects. The top priority is curing their lymphoma, but we also want to think about the quality of life for patients moving forward and making sure that they live long lives.

Checkpoint inhibitors help the immune system fight the cancer. Some of these patients may stop responding to checkpoint inhibitors so there’s interest in using other types of treatments in combination.

Dr. Natalie Grover

Sam: What about trials to re-sensitize to PD-1 drugs? What does that mean?

Dr. Grover: Checkpoint inhibitors are effective in Hodgkin lymphoma. Right now, we’re moving them to earlier lines of therapy but these are treatments that can also work well for relapsed and refractory patients.

Hodgkin lymphoma is unique because, compared to other lymphomas, there aren’t that many cancer cells in these patients. When pathologists look at cells, there are a lot of immune cells around the cancer cells so there aren’t that many lymphoma cells. A lot of it is your immune reaction to the lymphoma.

Checkpoint inhibitors help the immune system fight the cancer. Some of these patients may stop responding to checkpoint inhibitors so there’s interest in using other types of treatments in combination. If a patient progresses on pembrolizumab or nivolumab, can you combine them with other treatments and re-sensitize your immune system so they can be sensitive again to these treatments? There’s some research looking into that.

We’ve also seen patients get the reverse. These treatments may reset the patients in some way. Patients may get checkpoint inhibitors and then after that may respond better to other treatments. There have been some studies showing that after checkpoint inhibitors, even if they progress on those drugs, patients potentially respond better to chemotherapy or other treatments.

Sam: We’re still learning how these drugs impact the immune system and how they might make you respond better to traditional chemotherapies, even if you didn’t initially. That’s incredible.

Dr. Grover: The current biggest advances are in advanced-stage Hodgkin lymphoma. More recently, brentuximab was incorporated in addition to chemotherapy. Dr. Ansell was part of that study. That improved overall survival in advanced-stage Hodgkin lymphoma patients compared to standard of care.

We can see the progression from old-style chemotherapy to immune checkpoint plus chemotherapy as the front-line treatment.

Dr. Stephen Ansell

Early vs. Advanced Stage Advancements

Sam: Dr. Ansell, can you tell us about the SWOG S1826 trial and what that showed?

Dr. Ansell: Picking up again on the theme of better therapies getting better outcomes and using some of the new drugs that we’ve touched on, as Dr. Grover said, the management of advanced-stage patients has moved over time.

Back in the day, we gave ABVD chemotherapy and tried to leave out bleomycin, which causes lung toxicity, if patients were doing well based on PET scans.

These new drugs, brentuximab vedotin being the first one, were brought into the combination in place of bleomycin. It’s now brentuximab with AVD. When compared head to head, it showed that brentuximab improved the outcome of patients—not only their likelihood of staying in remission but their overall survival.

It was then compared as the standard to nivolumab, the PD-1-directed therapy, plus AVD chemotherapy in place of bleomycin. That then showed progression-free survival at a one-year follow-up. We don’t have mature data yet, but it seemed better already than the brentuximab-AVD chemotherapy and, as Dr. Grover touched on, less in the way of side effects and better tolerated.

That’s likely to become the new standard for advanced-stage patients. We want to see a little bit more mature data. But certainly, in elderly patients where toxicity is a real challenge, this has become a standard for many. We can see the progression from old-style chemotherapy to immune checkpoint plus chemotherapy as the front-line treatment.

Sam: These are exciting times. It’s wild because, for decades and decades, it seemed like we were doing the same thing for Hodgkin patients. Even if I were diagnosed with the same clinical scenario now compared to when I was first diagnosed in 2021, I would be treated differently.

There is still a subset of people where the disease proves to be very challenging and keeps relapsing… We still see patients who have gone through this standard treatment using these new drugs and then the disease comes back yet again.

Dr. Stephen Ansell

Gaps Clinical Trials are Filling

Sam: Can you tell us about these clinical trials and what gaps they fill?

Dr. Ansell: You heard us talk about two new drugs. They came from the relapsed setting but have moved up to front-line treatments. The gaps are for patients, heaven forbid, who have gone through these new therapies.

There is still a subset of people where the disease proves to be very challenging and keeps relapsing. That group’s getting to be smaller and smaller so that’s the good news. The challenging point is that it’s never good enough until there’s nobody in that group. We still see patients who have gone through this standard treatment using these new drugs and then the disease comes back yet again.

Things that are becoming exciting and that we need to do better on is what to do for those patients. Additional treatments that target these other immune checkpoints aside from PD-1 and other ways to make the immune system wake up and do its job are being tested.

The work that Dr. Grover and her team do is taking your immune cells, sending them to “training camp” to get a little docking site on them so they can detect the cancer in a much better way, and then unleashing them on the cancer. That’s proving exciting.

Finally, what we call bispecific antibodies. Those are also being tested and are some of the exciting opportunities in the future.

One arm of the antibody is directed to CD30, but the other arm grabs onto CD3 in the T cells.

Dr. Stephen Ansell

Bispecific Antibodies

Sam: Can you tell us about bispecific antibodies?

Dr. Ansell: This is an area that’s growing fast in Hodgkin lymphoma. Dr. Grover talked about CD30, which is on the cancer cells. One arm of the antibody is directed to CD30, but the other arm grabs onto CD3 in the T cells.

Bispecific antibodies bring those cells into very close proximity to each other. Like your kids in the back of the car who don’t like to sit next to each other and keep poking each other, this causes those cells to be grumpy with each other. The T cells, your immune cells, will then fight the cancer. That’s really what you want to see.

We talked about immune checkpoints that make T cells do a better job. One of the ways we’re doing that is on one arm, PD-1, which is an established immune checkpoint, but on the other, something like TIM-3, which is another immune checkpoint.

Other ways in which T cells are being switched off are now protected so it’s making those cells even more efficient. Those are two of the main ways bispecific antibodies are being tested right now.

With CAR T-cell therapy, we have seen some nice responses in patients whose disease has progressed after many different therapies, but there’s still work to do to improve these therapies.

Dr. Natalie Grover

CAR T-cell Therapy

Sam: Dr. Grover, how about CAR T-cell therapy and post-transplant relapses? Can you tell us about that and where CAR T-cell therapy might play a role?

Dr. Grover: As Dr. Ansell briefly mentioned, CAR T-cell therapy involves taking a patient’s T cells, sending them off, and re-engineering them so they can specifically target the CD30 protein on the cancer cell.

We have a CAR T-cell therapy trial at UNC and at the Baylor College of Medicine. There are two academic trials where we’re studying these CAR T cells in patients with Hodgkin lymphoma. There are also a few international trials. I know there’s a group in Spain and China.

Unfortunately, there isn’t a company-sponsored trial. They’re exciting treatments, but they’re not as easily accessible. Patients do need to travel for these for these treatments.

The big thing is long waiting lists, but we are hoping to get more patients treated more quickly because it still shows that there is an unmet need. Some patients have not responded, progressed after brentuximab, progressed after checkpoint inhibitors, progressed after transplant, and need additional options for treatment.

With CAR T-cell therapy, we have seen some nice responses in patients whose disease has progressed after many different therapies, but there’s still work to do to improve these therapies.

Right now, we have some patients who have been in remission for many years—five-plus years after getting CAR T cells. Many patients get the CAR T cells and have a great response, but their disease relapses afterward. We’re trying to figure out why that’s happening and how we can improve the CAR T cells and improve outcomes for patients.

Patients who relapse can have more aggressive disease as opposed to some other more aggressive types of lymphoma, but with Hodgkin, patients who have relapsed oftentimes can live a long time even with the disease.

Dr. Natalie Grover

Dr. Ansell: There’s one other option that takes both bispecifics and cellular therapies and combines those strategies. That’s taking the natural killer cells from cord blood and using a bispecific antibody that targets CD30 and a protein called CD16 on the NK cell. It sticks this bispecific antibody to the NK cell.

They pre-treat the NK cells before they give them to the patient and then infuse them. You activate the cells outside the body, add the bispecific antibody so that it’s already stuck to the NK cells, and infuse them. Those also have been effective therapies.

Dr. Grover’s right. We’re still learning about how many treatments you need to get. They’re getting high response rates, but the durability is still in question. But I think that’s another exciting strategy of taking cellular therapies and bispecifics and using them together.

Dr. Grover: I think that’s the LuminICE trial, which will be open at several different sites across the country.

Sam: That’s great. That’s an important point. It’s part of the issue of Hodgkin lymphoma compared to non-Hodgkin’s. It’s not nearly as common in terms of the number of people that will qualify for these trials so that may be why there are less commonly offered.

Dr. Grover: Hodgkin lymphoma has higher cure rates and is less common. A lot of times, patients who relapse can have more aggressive disease as opposed to some other more aggressive types of lymphoma, but with Hodgkin, patients who have relapsed oftentimes can live a long time even with the disease.

I’ve seen patients in my trials who have relapsed and have not even been in remission but have been living for many, many years with relapsed disease. A lot of times, these patients may not be as sick, which is a good thing, so they’re able to travel and participate in these trials. Many of these patients may be alive and doing well even though they’re going through treatment or have some disease left.

An allogeneic transplant is still a curative option and something that we would always consider.

Dr. Stephen Ansell

Transplant

Sam: Where is all this in relation to allogeneic transplants for people who are relapsing after transplant? Allogeneic, meaning the donor is somebody else, as opposed to autologous, which is more common in Hodgkin.

Dr. Ansell: To be honest, an allogeneic transplant is still a curative option and something that we would always consider. It’s a little bit high-risk because of the potential for longer-term toxicities.

With a lot of these novel treatments, many of which have been very successful in the past, people delayed allogeneic transplants a little bit. There are some challenges now as patients are having their disease come back after standard treatment so there is a subset of patients for whom that needs to be considered. That’s a very individualized discussion between patients and their doctors to weigh the risks versus the benefits.

One of the key questions to ask is what treatment somebody got as their first line because that impacts what you would do in the second line.

Dr. Stephen Ansell

Developments in Salvage Therapy

Sam: Dr. Ansell, what are some of the developments in salvage therapy, which is given when somebody has their initial relapse?

Dr. Ansell: It’s moving pretty fast right now. Novel drugs are being used in the front line so one of the key questions to ask is what treatment somebody got as their first line because that impacts what you would do in the second line.

However, based on where most patients are right now, not very many have had an immune checkpoint treatment, which is the nivolumab and pembrolizumab that Dr. Grover spoke about. Not too many people have had that as their front-line treatment and using those in combination with standard chemotherapies, like ICE chemotherapy or GVD chemotherapy. In the majority of particularly younger patients, going to more intensive treatment and a stem cell transplant using your own cells is very much the standard management.

Some interesting recent data compared where that was used to standard chemotherapy or the use of brentuximab and chemotherapy then a transplant and then looked at outcomes. The patients with the best outcome got a PD-1 antibody before they got their transplant.

Dr. Grover touched on this, which is an important point. The PD-1 blocking antibody team seems to change the immune system a bit and make patients more sensitive to some of the chemotherapies after the fact so that’s why it seems like it makes a difference. We tend to favor chemotherapy with immune checkpoint therapy as a treatment approach before going to transplant.

We want to see people cured. Heaven forbid that it comes back the first time, but if it does, all the gloves are off. Now we’re going at it as hard as we possibly can.

Dr. Stephen Ansell

Sam: That’s interesting because I know in other cancers, people will save therapies or not want to expose them because the body will learn them. What you’re saying is that the same principle may not apply in Hodgkin. These therapies may sensitize to other therapies or make people respond better so you don’t necessarily need to leave them until later when you’ve burned through other options.

Dr. Ansell: Correct. We want to see people cured. Heaven forbid that it comes back the first time, but if it does, all the gloves are off. Now we’re going at it as hard as we possibly can and we want to utilize all the effective tools that we have so that we can truly beat it into the ground. That’s what I would recommend. Different from other cancers where you might want to string things along in a palliative approach. With Hodgkin, you want to go after it with curative intent.

Sam: It’s wild to think how quickly things evolve and how important it is for patients to seek out providers or treatment at cancer centers who have some connection with the trials and know the latest updates.

How can we advise patients to seek out that kind of care? How can they ask for that from their oncologist if they’re getting treatment in the community?

Dr. Ansell: Be an informed patient. Ask questions and be a strong advocate for yourself. There are excellent resources, like The Leukemia & Lymphoma Society, which have good information related to many of these topics. Being informed about the best way to be managed is useful.

When your doctor sees you and goes through things, asking questions relative to the information that you have helps you feel reassured that you’re on the right track. Most of us are quite okay with patients getting second opinions from other colleagues.

Second opinions help people reinforce the messages you’re already giving. People will be more comfortable doing what needs to be done if they’re hearing the same thing from more than one person. All of that pertains to a good outcome. If you ask questions, make sure you get your questions answered.

Sam: Thanks for empowering patients because it’s so hard to make these decisions even when you have a lot of resources and education. It could be such an emotional time, in addition to not feeling well, and it’s helpful to hear that you expect people to want other opinions and be informed.

Dr. Ansell: To be honest, a lot of patients come in and get so much information that it’s pretty challenging to retain them. I always tell people to bring friends or family. Have other sets of ears that can help reinforce some of the messages so that when your brain is locked down and you can’t think straight, they hear things that you might have missed.

The treatments are getting better all the time so there’s a lot of hope. I’m hoping that in the not-very-distant future, every patient with Hodgkin lymphoma can be cured with front-line treatment.

Dr. Stephen Ansell

Final Messages

Sam: Dr. Grover, can you give us some final points or takeaway messages?

Dr. Grover: I’m excited about improving earlier therapies and moving these newer therapies to the front line both to hopefully enhance cure to prevent patients from relapsing again and reduce long-term toxicities and improve quality of life.

There’s still an unmet need for patients who are refractory to PD-1 inhibitors, brentuximab, and chemotherapy. I’m hoping that over the next few years, we will have more clinical trials and more developments for that patient population.

For patients, ask questions of your provider. Don’t be shy about getting a second opinion. I’m never offended if a patient goes for a second opinion.

Sam: How about you, Dr. Ansell?

Dr. Ansell: If you’re a patient with Hodgkin lymphoma, there are unique and novel treatments that are making a big difference to patient outcomes. The treatments are getting better all the time so there’s a lot of hope. I’m hoping that in the not-very-distant future, every patient with Hodgkin lymphoma can be cured with front-line treatment.

Sam: Thank you so much for that. I remember initially being scared about death and dying. I think that’s what a lot of people think about when they hear the word cancer. Once it began to move away from that and began to become living with cancer or living life after a cancer diagnosis, I thought, I’d like to jog, paint, play guitar, hold my kids, and be able to think as well as possible.

These trials to improve quality of life while simultaneously improving outcomes are so meaningful personally. I know it means a lot to our patient population that you took the time to have this conversation with us. Thank you so much.

Dr. Ansell: My pleasure.

Dr. Grover: Thanks so much for having us.

Stephanie: Thank you so much, Sam, for being our incredible patient advocate and moderator. Also, thank you to Dr. Grover and Dr. Ansell, for the work and research you do to help move the landscape of treatment options in Hodgkin lymphoma. 

We hope that you walk away with a better understanding of the latest treatments and clinical trials in Hodgkin lymphoma. They may or may not be right for you, but our goal is to make sure you feel empowered to make a decision for yourself.

Thank you and we hope to see you again at a future program at The Patient Story.


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Raquel’s Stage 4 Colorectal Cancer Story

Raquel’s Stage 4 Colorectal Cancer Story

Interviewed by: Alexis Moberger
Edited by: Katrina Villareal

Raquel A. feature profile

Raquel first noticed symptoms in 2019, like pencil-thin stools, pain, bloating, and blood in her stool. She then started getting full quickly after eating.

When she finally went to the doctor after developing severe pain, she was dismissed and told, “It was just anxiety.” She then ended up in the emergency room and was later diagnosed with stage 4 colorectal cancer, which had spread to her liver, ovaries, and lungs.

In sharing her story, she aims to raise awareness about rising colorectal cancer rates in young people and the importance of listening to your body.

In addition to Raquel’s narrative, The Patient Story offers a diverse collection of colorectal cancer stories. These empowering stories provide real-life experiences, valuable insights, and perspectives on symptoms, diagnosis, and treatment options for cancer.


This interview has been edited for clarity and length. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider to make informed treatment decisions.

The views and opinions expressed in this interview do not necessarily reflect those of The Patient Story.


  • Name: Raquel A.
  • Diagnosis:
    • Colorectal cancer
  • Staging:
    • 4
  • Initial Symptoms:
    • Frequent bowel movements
    • Pin-thin stools
    • Mild red blood in stool
  • Treatment:
    • Chemotherapy: oxaliplatin, 5-FU (5-fluorouracil), and irinotecan

I feel so confident that whether I can heal from this or not, I’m going to be able to handle it well. It’ll be okay. I’ve overcome other things in life and I hope that I can be an inspiration to people who are struggling.



Introduction

I’m 33 years old with terminal colorectal cancer. It has been such a huge part of my life that I have to remind myself that there are other parts outside of that.

I currently work in the tech industry and I’m very blessed to be able to do so.

In my spare time, I like reading and drawing. I’m very artistic and very recently, I’ve been posting more. I’ve been finding great connections on social media with other people who are going through the same thing as me.

I didn’t take my symptoms more seriously because they would come and go.

Pre-diagnosis

Initial Symptoms

I first started noticing symptoms in 2019. I was roommates with my best friend and she started to notice how often I was going to the bathroom. At the time, I was working in restaurant management so I figured I was probably eating too much of the food at work or eating too many processed foods.

I started changing my diet, trying to eat healthier and more protein but also using fiber supplements. I figured I wasn’t eating enough fiber and that’s one of the first things you read online about how to resolve diarrhea or bowel issues. That did help. The symptoms went away, but they would come back to plague me again.

Raquel A.
Symptoms Worsened

In 2022, I was working as a contractor in the tech industry. I made really good friends with people on my team. One of them noticed how often I was going to the bathroom and she said, “Raquel, are you okay?” I said, “Yeah, I’m fine. Maybe it’s the dairy in my coffee. Maybe I have a gluten sensitivity.”

At the time, I wasn’t concerned and wrote myself off. I dismissed my symptoms. But knowing what I know now, I was having classic colorectal cancer symptoms.

I experienced frequent bowel movements and pin-thin stools. In addition, any kind of blood in your stool is a huge red flag. It means something is wrong. The color, whether it’s dark or mild red, pinpoints where exactly that bleed is located. Mine was mild red. I didn’t have heavy bleeding, which is why I thought there wasn’t something wrong.

But another classic sign is getting full quickly after eating and that was a huge red flag that something was wrong. That happened from 2022 until when I got diagnosed in May 2023. Every time I took a couple of bites of something, I immediately felt so bloated.

I was actively dieting before my diagnosis, but despite how healthy I was eating, I could not lose weight, which I thought was strange. My stomach was so round and hard. I would later find out that the cause of some of my bloating was ascites. When you have cancer that is as advanced as mine, especially with colorectal cancer, the tumors start secreting free fluid. I had about a gallon of fluid in my stomach that they had to drain. That immediately relieved so many symptoms I was having with eating.

I didn’t take my symptoms more seriously because they would come and go. 

They’re not going to think of cancer when they see somebody who visually looks very healthy and young so I don’t necessarily blame her. At the same time, this dismissal of people who are like me is widespread because I know I’m not alone.

Symptoms Dismissed by Primary Care Doctor

It’s important to note that as a millennial—and I have statistically looked into this—half of us don’t have a primary care provider. That was the story of my 20s. I was blessed to land a permanent role in the tech industry where I had good healthcare and was able to schedule my first physical in 10 years back in May of 2023.

When you don’t go to the doctor for that long, there is a lot to talk about. I let my primary care physician know all of my symptoms, especially my bowel symptoms, and that I had severe abdominal pain somewhat recently. It wasn’t in one spot and felt very abnormal.

When I was talking to her about this, I could tell that she thought it was in my head. She scheduled me for a psychiatric appointment after my physical because she thought I had anxiety.

But now that I know so much about my disease, I know that they were classic colorectal cancer symptoms. Because I was so young, a woman, and a minority, statistically speaking, even just one of those categories is going to make you more likely to be dismissed in a medical setting and that is absolutely what I experienced.

Raquel A.

It was maybe three weeks after that physical when my cancer was found to be completely metastatic and had spread all over. I know that she probably felt some guilt because, after my diagnosis, they sent the information to my primary care provider before I was assigned to an oncologist.

I’m sure once she saw how bad it was, she felt guilty at the same time. She’s not the only doctor who has done that, especially when you’re young. Medical doctors are taught these statistics of colorectal cancer being an older person’s disease. They’re not going to think of cancer when they see somebody who visually looks very healthy and young so I don’t necessarily blame her. At the same time, this dismissal of people who are like me is widespread because I know I’m not alone.

It wouldn’t be until I had a liver biopsy that they would find the primary source of my cancer, which was colorectal, and I wouldn’t find out until later how incredibly it had advanced.

Raquel A.

Diagnosis

Getting the Cancer Diagnosis in the Emergency Room

I finally went to the ER. I remember that day so clearly.

I had severe abdominal pain that was migrating to my lower back and I almost fainted in my apartment. My intuition was saying that something was wrong so I went to the ER.

They did a full blood panel on me, which included the cancer markers CEA, CA 125, and CA 19. Mine were elevated. My CEA alone was in the 700s and anything above 30 is already a sign of cancer activity in your body. For mine to be that high means that my cancer was so advanced.

When I was in the ER, I felt that they took me seriously that’s why my cancer was found. The doctor knew something was wrong so she did that blood panel. I had an MRI, a CT scan, and an ultrasound. They did all those tests immediately.

The ER doctor told me that I had ovarian cancer because that’s where they found it initially. Based on the CT scan, the cancer was pretty advanced in my ovaries and my liver. It wouldn’t be until I had a liver biopsy that they would find the primary source of my cancer, which was colorectal, and I wouldn’t find out until later how incredibly it had advanced.

The metastases are in my colon, ovaries, liver, lungs, peritoneal cavity, and omentum. They found them through those tests within a week.

Everything happened so fast. I feel truly blessed that when I went to the ER, my cancer and the type of cancer was diagnosed so quickly. They ran all these tests, found my cancer, and immediately referred me to an oncologist. The next day, I was talking to an oncologist who then referred me to have a liver biopsy. A couple of days later, they found the primary source of my cancer.

Even though it’s very, very unfortunate how late my cancer was found, what an incredible experience for them to take me so seriously and find out what was going on. Kudos to the hospital that I went to. They took me very seriously.

Reaction to the Diagnosis

I don’t think I reacted like a normal person would have and that’s because I’ve had a lot of things happen in my life. I have a very calm demeanor. When things go wrong, I’m your go-to person to think logically and that’s how I processed my cancer diagnosis.

Even the doctor seemed really surprised that she said, “Raquel, you’re not even crying. I’m so sorry I’m not telling you good news.” I said, “You know what? It’s okay because no matter what happens, I’m going to get through it.”

I feel so confident that whether I can heal from this or not, I’m going to be able to handle it well. It’ll be okay. I’ve overcome other things in life and I hope that I can be an inspiration to people who are struggling. I feel like everything’s going to be okay. I told myself that even at the beginning of my diagnosis.

Raquel A.

My liver and lung metastases aren’t responding to chemo, but the metastases in my ovaries and colon are responding moderately well. My oncologist and I are trying to see what combination could help with wherever else my cancer is.

Raquel A.

Treatment

The treatment protocol and how they’re going to approach your diagnosis depends on your hospital. When I first got diagnosed, I was at a different hospital but for insurance purposes, I had to switch to a different one.

My treatments would have been a little bit different if I stayed with the first hospital because they wanted to start surgeries right away. They said, “You’re going to have a full hysterectomy. I’m going to be doing this in collaboration with one of our very renowned liver surgeons and we’re going to do this at the same time.”

But then when I switched to a different hospital, they told me, “We’re going to focus on chemotherapy. Let’s see how you react, shrink what we can, and then talk about surgery.” I understand the reasoning for that because they want to shrink as much as they can to lessen things going wrong during surgery or make it a little bit less risky.

Because I ended up switching hospitals, I’ve just been primarily I’ve been chemotherapy.

Being on Chemotherapy for Life

I first started with oxaliplatin. The side effects are not pleasant. It causes neuropathy.  Fortunately for me, we stopped that in December. I was on it for six months until the side effects started affecting my quality of life too much.

I have switched to 5-FU (5-fluorouracil) and irinotecan. They introduced irinotecan to see if that’s going to help my liver metastases because so far, I’m having a mixed response to chemotherapy.

My liver and lung metastases aren’t responding to chemo, but the metastases in my ovaries and colon are responding moderately well. My oncologist and I are trying to see what combination could help with wherever else my cancer is.

I have chemotherapy bi-weekly and for Christmas, I pushed back my chemotherapy because I didn’t want to be sick during the holidays. My CEA, one of my cancer markers, jumped when I wasn’t strictly on my bi-weekly regimen. If I ever stopped chemotherapy, decided I didn’t want to continue, or changed my protocol at all, my cancer would jump at that opportunity to be aggressive.

Raquel A.

I don’t have a choice as of right now. Chemotherapy is keeping me alive so I’m going to continue being on it bi-weekly. Fifty percent of people who have chemotherapy might need what’s called GRANIX shots.

The white blood cell count gets so low with chemotherapy that medications are needed to boost the white blood cell count to continue treatment. I, unfortunately, fall under that category so not only do I have my chemotherapy, but I have to have those shots to even have chemotherapy because my white blood cells get too low.

I’m very actively looking to find and get second opinions from hospitals that are willing to touch me and get some of this out because I know it would help me in the long run.

Looking for Other Opinions

As of now, they’re telling me that they don’t want to do surgery because of how incredibly advanced my cancer is. They’re saying that it might not be worth it.

However, I’ve read and seen from other people with colorectal cancer that they have better survivability with surgery because the more cancer is in your body, the more opportunities it has to spread and be aggressive.

I’m very actively looking to find and get second opinions from hospitals that are willing to touch me and get some of this out because I know it would help me in the long run. I will be traveling to MD Anderson and Memorial Sloan Kettering, hoping that they can do surgery on me, which will help extend my life. Even though I know it’s risky, I’m willing to do it because the alternative is being on chemo forever.

Raquel A.

Getting Help & Support as a Cancer Patient

Having the support of family and friends has been such a huge help and I give so much thanks to the incredible people in my life who have helped me through this.

Some things have personally made it a little bit easier, like trying to buy foods that are pre-cut or pre-chopped. I like getting frozen oatmeal because I can just microwave it.

I’m sicker some days than others and I have found that it helps to have plastic utensils so that I’m not thinking about washing the dishes. To alleviate some of the guilt of buying disposables, I buy the biodegradable kind. You never think about how much something like that would make your life a little bit easier, but it does.

Give yourself grace and find the little things that you deserve to make your life easier.

If I had advocated for myself sooner, my cancer would have been found sooner… Listen to your intuition. You know your body more than anybody else.

Importance of Self-Advocacy

Self-advocacy has been such a big part of my cancer journey because if I had advocated for myself sooner, my cancer would have been found sooner. A lot of people who are as young as me or even younger don’t have a primary care provider.

Maybe they don’t have health insurance and I understand that there is a money barrier to getting treatment for a lot of people. That’s why I’ve been speaking to people who are younger than me and are getting diagnosed with advanced colorectal cancer because of those barriers.

One of the reasons why I started to be so outspoken about my diagnosis is to encourage people to go to the doctor. It’s never normal to have blood in your stool, even if it’s a little bit. Something’s wrong.

Unfortunately, if you’re young, a woman, or a person of color, you have to advocate for yourself so much more than people in different demographics. I hope to inspire people to get the medical help that they need for their symptoms because I was invalidating myself.

Raquel A.

I went to my primary care provider and had my physical. I told her all of my digestive issues and bowel symptoms, and she said it was all in my head and that it was anxiety.

Other young people say in the comments on my social media, “This happened to me, too.” That’s one of the reasons why I’m trying to be so outspoken and raise awareness. I want people who have had the same experience to hear my story and say, “I need to take this seriously. Even if a medical professional says that I have nothing to worry about, I need a second opinion. I need to go to a GI specialist.” That is my goal in sharing my story. Don’t let anybody write you off. Get seen. Go to a GI specialist.

All it takes is one who will listen to you and help you. They’re out there. We just have to find them.

Raquel A.

Words of Advice

Listen to your intuition. You know your body more than anybody else. A medical professional is diagnosing you based on generalities, but you know yourself better than anybody so if you are having these problems, you deserve to see a specialist and get a second opinion. Don’t listen to the first doctor. Get opinions from a second or a third, especially if your symptoms are persistent.

If your symptoms are persistent and aren’t going away, then something is wrong, especially if you have blood in your stool. That should never be written off. Any kind of blood in your stool is a huge red flag. Pay attention to it.

You deserve to be listened to and taken seriously in a medical setting. If the first doctor isn’t taking you seriously, all it takes is one who will listen to you and help you. They’re out there. We just have to find them.

If you have been invalidated about your bowel health or your symptoms, follow your intuition. As much as we want to completely trust that they have our best interests, that they went to medical school and they’re knowledgeable, that doesn’t mean that they aren’t sometimes wrong and don’t make mistakes or misdiagnoses.

Go out there and fight for yourself. Fight for your health. I hope everybody who hears my story feels very validated to go and seek help.


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The Latest in Myelofibrosis: Understanding Promising Treatment Options

The Latest in Myelofibrosis

Understanding Promising Treatment Options

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Following the American Society of Hematology Annual Meeting (ASH), Dr. Raajit Rampal of Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center, Dr. Gabriela Hobbs of Mass General Cancer Center, and patient advocate Ruth Fein explore new treatment options.

Learn about success stories, dispel myths about experimental drugs, and understand the broader impact of trial participation on advancing MPN treatments.

Find out about the latest options for myelofibrosis patients, how to deal with myelofibrosis symptoms, and how factors like age, mutation status, treatment history, and personal preferences inform your treatment.

Learn about how the latest advancements may affect your care and get updates on exciting news about the pace and progress of myelofibrosis treatments.

The myelofibrosis panelists discuss momelotinib, fedratinib, selinexor, pelabresib, navitoclax, and other myelofibrosis treatments.


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Introduction

Stephanie Chuang, The Patient Story Founder

Stephanie Chuang: I’m the founder of The Patient Story and, more importantly, I also got a blood cancer diagnosis of non-Hodgkin lymphoma a few years ago.

We have so many shared experiences in what we’re looking for and that’s what The Patient Story is all about.

We try to help patients and care partners navigate a cancer diagnosis primarily through in-depth conversations with patients, care partners, and top cancer specialists, like the ones you’ll hear from today. 

I want to give special thanks to GSK and Karyopharm for supporting our educational program. Their support helps programs like this more available and free for our audience. But we do want to note The Patient Story retains full editorial control of this entire program. A quick reminder that this is not meant to be a substitute for medical advice. 

Our patient moderator is Ruth Fein Revell. Ruth, can you share a little bit more about your story and how you became such a passionate advocate in this space?

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Ruth Fein Revell, MPN Patient Advocate

Ruth Fein Revell: Welcome, and thank you for joining us. I’m Ruth Fein, a health and science writer. I’m also a patient and a patient advocate who’s been living with a myeloproliferative neoplasm of one type or another for almost 30 years.

I was diagnosed with essential thrombocythemia when I was 38 years old and raising two young boys. I had had symptoms for many years, but they were disregarded or misdiagnosed. The most troublesome of which was severe, debilitating headaches with blind spots where I literally couldn’t work for hours at a time. I also had bone pain that I experienced for years.

What started as essential thrombocythemia transitioned to polycythemia vera and then progressed to myelofibrosis, which is where I am now. I’m very fortunate to be on a clinical trial that’s working so well that my life is wonderful. I also recognize that everyone isn’t in the same position as I am as there are a lot of people who suffer greatly from myelofibrosis.

I’m speaking with two world-renowned experts in MPNs, Dr. Raajit Rampal of Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center and Dr. Gabriela Hobbs of Dana-Farber/Harvard Cancer Center. Both of you are very, very involved in the patient community and giving back through your knowledge and also taking time to do interviews like this so thank you for that.

We’ll dig into what’s been reported recently at ASH, the annual meeting of the American Society of Hematology where a lot of reports come out. Some of them are quite exciting.

Raajit K. Rampal, MD, PhD

Ruth: Dr. Rampal, give us a little bit of your background, why and how you became interested in MPNs, as well as what your practice looks at.

Dr. Raajit Rampal: I’m a physician-scientist and I lead the MPN program at MSK.

My interest came from the biology side. I’ve been working with Ross Levine for a number of years on the lab side. It became clinically interesting based on what I was learning in the lab so I’ve taken on clinical practice and doing clinical trials for patients in MPN.

This is a field with such an unmet need for effective therapies. Wanting to be at the forefront of that and trying to deliver change where it’s needed have always driven what I want to do. This was the perfect intersection of my scientific and clinical interests.

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Dr. Gabriela Hobbs
Gabriela S. Hobbs, MD

Ruth: Dr. Hobbs, would you tell us a little bit about yourself and how your interest in MPNs began?

Dr. Gabriela Hobbs: I am the clinical director of the leukemia service as well as the MPN program at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston. I’ve always been interested in hematology as far as I can remember, and I was very fortunate to do fellowship training with Dr. Rampal.

For me, myeloproliferative neoplasms in particular are such a rewarding group of patients to take care of. It merges everything that I love about being a physician. I can have very longitudinal as well as very intimate patient relationships with the patients whom I take care of. From the clinical perspective, I found taking care of patients incredibly rewarding and also very varied.

From the scientific perspective, when I was an undergraduate student, we started seeing some of these oral-targeted agents being approved and I knew that was something I wanted to be involved in for my career.

Being a clinical investigator who’s able to see clinicians like Raajit Rampal doing investigations in the lab, finding new targets and new drugs, and being the person who helps take that to clinical trials to the patients is incredibly rewarding.

The most common symptom of patients with myelofibrosis is fatigue, which is probably one of the reasons why myelofibrosis and the other MPNs sometimes take a while to get diagnosed.

Dr. Gabriela Hobbs

Symptoms of Myelofibrosis

Ruth: Myelofibrosis is rare. Some practitioners don’t see very many MF patients. Some patients who are diagnosed with myelofibrosis don’t have enough information or are misguided at times. What do you each see as the major symptoms of myelofibrosis?

Dr. Hobbs: Myelofibrosis is a disease that can present in many different ways. I certainly see completely asymptomatic patients. Their doctor noticed that they had some abnormalities in their blood counts or maybe the patient themself noted that their abdomen felt a little bit different. Patients are on the spectrum of either not having a lot of symptoms or having lots and lots of symptoms.

I would say the most common symptom of patients with myelofibrosis is fatigue, which is probably one of the reasons why myelofibrosis and the other MPNs sometimes take a while to get diagnosed. Other symptoms that we see a lot of are itching, night sweats, fevers, and unintentional weight loss.

Dr. Rampal: Part of the challenge is whether those symptoms are communicated in visits with physicians. Part of that involves us asking the right questions or, at least, training our colleagues to ask the right questions because not everybody is forthcoming about their symptoms. The alternative is that they get so used to their symptoms that it’s the new normal for them and that is sometimes the tougher part of trying to understand how somebody is doing.

Dr. Hobbs: Occasionally, there may be some patients who feel like there are certain symptoms that they wouldn’t bring up to an oncologist. When I meet a patient for the first time and go down my checklist of MPN symptoms, I’ll ask them about itching and they’d say, “How did you know?” We’re fortunate in the MPN world to have these forms that have been validated to help us ask about symptoms that we know are very common in patients with MPN so that we don’t miss anything.

There’s a whole spectrum of symptoms patients can experience.

Dr. Raajit Rampal

Dr. Rampal: Myelofibrosis is a disease of the bone marrow where you have mutated cells that start to grow and take over the bone marrow. They cause inflammation and we think the inflammation causes scarring in the bone marrow. As that happens, the bone marrow starts to contract and is unable to make blood cells. Blood cells start to go into the liver and the spleen to try to produce blood so those organs get larger and cause symptoms.

The inflammation that causes the scarring and damage in the bone marrow also causes people to have symptoms. Those include getting fatigued, losing weight unexpectedly, and having bone pain and aches. There’s a whole spectrum of symptoms patients can experience, but those are among the most common.

That’s how we think about myelofibrosis and how we think about the disease getting worse. We look at blood counts. If people’s blood counts are getting worse, that’s a sign of disease progression. If their spleens or livers are getting larger or they’re feeling worse, all of those are signs of the disease progressing.

There were two phase 3 studies presented about myelofibrosis, the navitoclax and pelabresib studies.

Dr. Gabriela Hobbs

ASH 2023 Updates on Myelofibrosis Treatments

Ruth: We all know there’s been such an explosion in advances in myelofibrosis in recent years. Dr. Hobbs, what came out of ASH 2023 that you’re most excited about?

Dr. Hobbs: It’s exciting. I can’t remember participating in an ASH conference where there were two phase 3 studies presented about myelofibrosis, the navitoclax and pelabresib studies. That in and of itself was a reflection of how far the field has come. We’re now presenting phase 3 studies on drugs that may get approved.

Dr. Rampal: I totally agree. When have we had two phase 3 studies read out? I can’t remember if that’s ever even been the case simultaneously. Thinking about this in the context of our patient audience, this is a clear sign of progress in the field.

Let’s separate that idea from what happens from a regulatory standpoint. You have to get to this point. This is where the finish line is. It is incredibly encouraging that we’ve got drugs to this point of phase 3 where we may have definitive results that could lead to approvals.

What we can probably say, at least with both drugs, is that they have activity in the disease. There’s no question. What happens from here, of course, is up to the FDA. But I’m encouraged by this. I think these drugs have the potential to make a difference for patients so this is exciting.

The combination (ruxolitinib and navitoclax) led to a very dramatic improvement in spleen volume reduction in patients compared to patients who were treated with ruxolitinib alone.

Dr. Gabriela Hobbs

Dr. Hobbs: Both of these studies were phase 3 studies, as Dr. Rampal mentioned. The navitoclax study was the TRANSFORM study that compared ruxolitinib alone to ruxolitinib and navitoclax. They wanted to see if the combination of the two drugs was more effective at improving spleen volume response as well as improving the symptoms of myelofibrosis patients.

They found that the combination led to a very dramatic improvement in spleen volume reduction in patients compared to patients who were treated with ruxolitinib alone. The symptom endpoint was more difficult, as it seemed like symptom improvement was similar with the combination of navitoclax and ruxolitinib compared to ruxolitinib alone.

My take on that is it’s not entirely surprising that a drug like navitoclax would not improve the symptoms, but it certainly didn’t make patients feel worse. I think that’s important when you think about combination therapy as well. I wouldn’t consider that an entirely negative endpoint.

Why should patients care about how big the spleen is and how much it shrinks? That is one of the few things we know that correlates with survival.

Dr. Raajit Rampal

Dr. Rampal: Let me build off of something that Dr. Hobbs said. Symptoms are important to patients and that has to be part of any of our treatment arsenals. But as you said, we want to get drugs that alter the trajectory of the disease and not simply focus on symptom reduction. That has to be part of the conversation going forward as we think about new drugs in this space.

How much weight do we put on symptom reduction as something that we, as a community or the FDA, should fixate on? As long as the drug is not making people feel worse, if it’s doing other things for patients, then maybe that’s where the win is if you will.

About pelabresib, this is a study of the combination of pelabresib, which is a BET inhibitor, plus ruxolitinib versus ruxolitinib alone. The study looked at whether patients had a greater degree of spleen shrinkage with the combination or ruxolitinib alone.

The answer was unequivocally yes. Patients who got the combination had a much greater spleen response, 65% versus 30%.

Why is that important? Why should patients care about how big the spleen is and how much it shrinks? That is one of the few things we know that correlates with survival. We’ve known from the time of ruxolitinib. Spleen shrinkage correlates with overall survival, which is something we all care about deeply.

There was a trend toward the symptoms getting better with the combination. It wasn’t quite statistically significant, but it was certainly a trend that favored the combination.

Importantly, it didn’t add toxicity. We didn’t see that there were any new major signs of toxicity with the two drugs versus one. In oncology, we worry about that all the time. If you add another drug, you may add toxicity, but that wasn’t the case here. From that standpoint, I’m very encouraged by both data sets.

A big takeaway from having all these drugs is that we shouldn’t wait for people to get that sick. We should treat earlier on.

Dr. Raajit Rampal

Treatment Sequencing

Ruth: Dr. Rampal, as we talk about more options available both today and in the future, one of the things that comes up often, especially for higher-risk MF, is sequencing. What are we learning about optimizing the new drugs and combination drug therapies, including determining when and how to switch therapies?

Dr. Rampal: The answer is we don’t know. The broader context of this is that we have more options so that has two implications.

Historically, there’s been a reluctance to start therapy because you didn’t have anything else. If you were in a world where there was only ruxolitinib and it stopped working, what were you going to do? That’s not true anymore.

A big takeaway from having all these drugs is that we shouldn’t wait for people to get that sick. We should treat earlier on. What is earlier on? There’s some ambiguity there, but I think that is one of the implications of having a lot more drugs.

The reality is we’re going to learn how to use these drugs as we go along. There isn’t a great deal of data. We have data on switching from ruxolitinib to fedratinib. We know what happens and how people do when you do that, but do we have data for the other drugs?

If we start going from momelotinib to ruxolitinib, we don’t have the granular data for that. Those are things we’re going to figure out in practice, probably over the next 1 to 2 years, I’d say.

Now that we have four approved JAK inhibitors, there’s no reason to feel like somebody needs to wait for symptoms from their spleen or their disease.

Dr. Gabriela Hobbs

Dr. Hobbs: The point that Dr. Rampal made is so important, especially when we think about what he said about one of the things that we know in myelofibrosis, which is a smaller spleen equals better outcomes.

An important message for patients is exactly what Dr. Rampal said. Now that we have four approved JAK inhibitors, there’s no reason to feel like somebody needs to wait for symptoms from their spleen or their disease because we do have a lot of options.

Now that we have a lot of options, it became a situation where all of us are calling each other and asking, “How do you switch from this one to the other? Have you had a good experience?”

Sometimes, the clinical trials don’t necessarily translate to what we do in clinical practice. Many clinical trials require that patients be completely off of a JAK inhibitor before they switch to the other, which is something that, in practice, probably neither of us would ever really feel like doing. Over the next year, it’s something that we’re going to have some publications about to help guide the broader community to do that safely.

What these data have shown with the FREEDOM trials is that you can better manage gastrointestinal toxicity and that it does get better over time.

Dr. Raajit Rampal

ASH 2023 Updates on Fedratinib

Ruth: Dr. Rampal, what did we learn about fedratinib at ASH 2023?

Dr. Rampal: The most updated data was the FREEDOM2 study, which looked at fedratinib in patients who have been on ruxolitinib. There were earlier trials that looked at the same question, like the JAKARTA2 trial.

When fedratinib was being studied early on, it was seen that there was a lot of gastrointestinal toxicity, like nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea, which was experienced by the majority of patients.

There have been two subsequent trials with fedratinib, the FREEDOM trials, where they aggressively tried to manage the symptoms from the get-go. They didn’t wait for people to get sick or have nausea or diarrhea. When they prescribe the drug, they say, “When you start the drug, if you start to feel nausea, you’re going to take this medication or if any diarrhea starts, you’re going to take this medication.” You don’t let these symptoms get out of control.

What these data have shown with the FREEDOM trials is that you can better manage gastrointestinal toxicity and that it does get better over time. Is that still a side effect that we have to be concerned about? Yes, but it is something that we can manage in most cases if we’re aggressive about doing that upfront and the expectation is that it will get better over time.

The data (on selinexor) is still in earlier stages so I’m waiting to see if this agent is well-tolerated by patients.

Dr. Gabriela Hobbs

ASH 2023 Updates on Selinexor

Ruth: Dr. Hobbs, what about selinexor?

Dr. Hobbs: Selinexor has been interesting as well. This is a newer agent that we’ve started to see some preliminary results on and they presented their data also in combination with ruxolitinib. This agent seems to have very impressive responses in terms of shrinking the spleen and improving symptoms as well.

The data is still in earlier stages so I’m waiting to see if this agent is well-tolerated by patients. We’ll have to see how the later studies will pan out, but it’s still exciting.

Having this fourth agent will be very helpful in the management of patients with MF, especially patients who have anemia and aren’t able to get a bone marrow transplant.

Dr. Gabriela Hobbs

ASH 2023 Updates on Momelotinib

Ruth: There’s an unmet need for the treatment of anemia for patients with MPN, specifically myelofibrosis, which brings us to momelotinib and a few others.

Dr. Hobbs: We’ve mentioned that there are now four JAK inhibitors that are approved for the treatment of myelofibrosis. We have pacritinib, ruxolitinib, fedratinib, and momelotinib, which was approved at the end of September 2023.

Momelotinib is a JAK inhibitor that was approved a little bit differently than the others. Its main indication is for patients who have myelofibrosis and anemia. Anemia has been an unmet need in the management of myelofibrosis so it’s exciting to have a drug like momelotinib that can help anemia and also a drug like pacritinib that can also help anemia in a subset of patients.

In my practice, I’ve noticed that since the approval of this agent, there have been many patients, especially those who are active online, in their communities, and in patient advocacy organizations, who have been excited or eager to switch to this medication.

I do think that having this fourth agent will be very helpful in the management of patients with MF, especially patients who have anemia and aren’t able to get a bone marrow transplant.

When we have patients with myelofibrosis who have anemia, it’s important to consider if a bone marrow transplant is the right therapy. But for those who can’t receive that therapy, momelotinib takes care of a lot of the parts of the disease that we worry about, like the symptoms, the spleen, and the low red blood cell numbers.

In some cases, they take patients who are relying on transfusions and convert them to not needing a transfusion, which is important in terms of survival.

Dr. Raajit Rampal

Dr. Rampal: There is so much going on in anemia in this disease, it’s remarkable. It’s a problem for which we had no good solutions until very recently.

As you mentioned, momelotinib and pacritinib also seem to have an effect in a proportion of patients where they can increase the hemoglobin. In some cases, they take patients who are relying on transfusions and convert them to not needing a transfusion, which is important in terms of survival.

We know that that correlates with survival, but it’s also quality of life. If you have a patient who’s getting stuck in the transfusion chair for 4 to 6 hours a week or more and that is no longer an issue, that is immensely important to their quality of life. It’s an important problem.

There are some other drugs in development and that includes a drug called luspatercept, which is FDA-approved for myelodysplastic syndrome. There are also some other drugs from a few other companies that are anemia-specific and there was some data presented at ASH on them. There are early signs of efficacy. Too early to say anything definitively, but at least it looks like these are drugs that will be studied further.

What’s been practice-changing is having the approval of the last JAK inhibitor, which is momelotinib.

Dr. Gabriela Hobbs

Practice-Changing Updates

Ruth: We talked about what’s happened in the lab, what’s in the drug approval process, what’s recently been approved, and where our needs still are. What came out of ASH that you think is truly practice-changing immediately or in the near future?

Dr. Hobbs: What was very exciting was seeing the two phase 3 studies. Although those two drugs, pelabresib and navitoclax, are still not approved, they are potentially closer to our doorstep and something that we will have to have conversations about how to use.

Do we use them in combination with the JAK inhibitor that they were studied with? Do we use them with other JAK inhibitors? How do we think about sequencing when we’re talking about combination? Although neither of these agents is approved, these are questions that need to be discussed.

What’s been practice-changing is having the approval of the last JAK inhibitor, which is momelotinib. We now have four drugs that we can prescribe to our patients when we see them in the clinic, especially those who have anemia.

There are so many drugs coming down the pipeline and showing interesting activity, especially some of those showing activity by themselves.

Dr. Gabriela Hobbs

Personalizing Myelofibrosis Treatment

Ruth: The drugs and the studies we’ve talked about are all very exciting, but what other treatments are you excited to share with patients to help you personalize treatment?

Dr. Hobbs: We’ve discussed the MANIFEST and TRANSFORM studies looking at combination studies in phase 3. There are so many drugs that are being evaluated and it’s been very exciting to be at an ASH where we hear about so many different mechanisms of action being explored. Many of those are by themselves and some of them are now getting to the point where they’re used in combination.

To mention a few, there was a compound called a PIM1 kinase inhibitor, another one that inhibits lysyl oxidase, which is a group of enzymes that have to do with making fibrosis or scarring happen in the bone marrow, and an LSD1 inhibitor called bomedemstat.

There are so many drugs coming down the pipeline and showing interesting activity, especially some of those showing activity by themselves. Generally speaking, when we have new drugs that are not JAK inhibitors used by themselves, we rarely see a lot of clinical activity so I thought that that was exciting.

Individualized medicine is the holy grail and there’s a lot of different ways to think about it. There’s how we use the drugs we have now and what some of the newer drugs may be able to do for us.

Dr. Raajit Rampal

Dr. Rampal: There is this whole pipeline of things coming forward, which is amazing for this field. We spent some time talking about the top-line phase 3. But as Dr. Hobbs mentioned, there are all of these drugs that are in early development that are showing us that they may be able to do something. Even beyond what we have, some things are part of the big picture here.

Individualized medicine is the holy grail and there’s a lot of different ways to think about it. There’s how we use the drugs we have now and what some of the newer drugs may be able to do for us.

A key example of this is calreticulin. There’s been a focus on this. There are drugs in investigation that are specific antibodies that target calreticulin. That could be a game-changer if those things work. Pre-clinically, there’s good rationale. Imagine a future where if those drugs are effective, then for calreticulin-mutant patients, this is what we use. We have a drug that targets your mutation. That is where we want to be.

Of course, other mutations occur in the disease and we’ve already started trying to do personalized medicine for patients. Some patients have an IDH mutation that occurs typically in people with more advanced diseases.

We’ve completed a trial where we used a JAK inhibitor plus an IDH inhibitor. IDH inhibitors are FDA-approved for people with leukemia and we’ve combined those drugs and seen very good results. That’s an example of genetically-informed personalized medicine, but there’s also how you use the drugs we have in practice.

Dr. Hobbs: We’ve mentioned a few times that we have four different JAK inhibitors and it’s important to know which patients those are going to help. Are there certain situations where we should use one JAK inhibitor versus another?

At ASH 2023, we saw an update on a similar study that was published recently by the folks who looked at pacritinib. They found that patients who have a symptom improvement of greater than 10% had an improvement in survival, which is similar to what they showed recently with patients on pacritinib having a survival benefit if they also had a spleen volume reduction.

Again, that goes to the theme that we were saying. It’s important to use these drugs and make sure that those drugs are doing what they’re supposed to be doing for the patient. We have endpoints that help patients not only to live better but hopefully to live longer. That can also help the practicing doctor to say this drug is not meeting those endpoints. It’s not helping my patient have an improvement in their spleen or their symptoms. We have other drugs that we should we should think about switching to.

One of the areas where there’s a lot of interest is looking at pre-fibrotic myelofibrosis or early myelofibrosis to see if we can get to the disease earlier before a lot of scarring develops.

Dr. Gabriela Hobbs

ASH 2023 Updates on Interferon

Ruth: There was an interesting study presented at ASH about interferon-α versus hydroxyurea, which is the oldest of the drugs still used for myelofibrosis or MPNs. This study was in untreated MPN patients who were unable to take ruxolitinib. What did we learn?

Dr. Hobbs: Several abstracts were presented with interferon. One was the updated results of the DALIAH study comparing pegylated interferon to hydroxyurea for patients with earlier disease essential thrombocythemia and polycythemia vera. There was also another study looking at earlier myelofibrosis, like pre-fibrotic myelofibrosis.

There’s been a lot of interest in looking at interferons in general across the spectrum of the disease. One of the areas where there’s a lot of interest is looking at pre-fibrotic myelofibrosis or early myelofibrosis to see if we can get to the disease earlier before a lot of scarring develops.

If we look at all the characteristics of the patients who had stable disease for years versus those who progressed, is there a difference that AI can say if you look at these particular parameters, this is a warning sign?

Dr. Raajit Rampal

Artificial Intelligence in Hematology

Ruth: There was a fascinating presentation on the use of artificial intelligence, specifically to differentiate between essential thrombocythemia and pre-fibrotic primary myelofibrosis. Is that something that you see coming into practice or are we way off on that?

Dr. Rampal: We’ll level set by talking about what we mean by AI, which neither of us are experts in. One of the powers of AI is to take broad sets of data and identify patterns. That is a very simplistic way of thinking about the many things that AI can do and is built to do. It can take thousands of variables and find patterns that humans aren’t going to be able to find in real time.

This is an example of what you’re talking about. If you took thousands of bone marrow samples and you said that clinically, these people look like ET, but based on the other parameters that we have, these people look like myelofibrosis. Is AI going to be able to better discriminate versus a human and say this pattern better fits the ET pattern and that pattern better fits the MF pattern?

It will help us refine some of the key characteristics of the disease. The hope is that it may also give us some clues for things like progression if you look at the pattern of a lot of patients. We’re talking about thousands of patients and if we look at all the characteristics of the patients who had stable disease for years versus those who progressed, is there a difference that AI can say if you look at these particular parameters, this is a warning sign? That I think is part of where we think this is going to go.

There are lots of great resources online where, as a patient, you can advocate for yourself to recommend different treatments to your provider to make sure that you’re getting the most updated care.

Dr. Gabriela Hobbs

How Patients Can Be More Proactive in Their Treatment

Ruth: Now that we’ve heard updates out of ASH 2023, what can a patient bring to their community hematology-oncologist as opposed to waiting for it to trickle down? What are some of the ways that a patient can be more proactive with knowing what we now know?

Dr. Hobbs: If you’re a patient or a family member of a patient, you’re already taking those steps that are so important. It’s important to remember that myeloproliferative neoplasms are rare diseases so not everybody has access to subspecialized care.

What’s incredible about the MPN community is that the group of clinicians who treat MPN and are doing research in MPN are extremely committed and passionate about treating these diseases. We’re excited to work with industry partners who are similarly very passionate about finding new therapies for these diseases.

There are lots of great resources online where, as a patient, you can advocate for yourself to recommend different treatments to your provider to make sure that you’re getting the most updated care.

It’s worth asking your physician: when is it time for me to get started on treatment? If you are at the point of needing treatment, it may be worth getting a consultation in a center where there’s a lot of experience.

Dr. Raajit Rampal

Dr. Rampal: If you’re a patient who’s being cared for in the community, it’s worth asking your physician: when is it time for me to get started on treatment? This is an evolving space. We’re more and more convinced that earlier may be more beneficial, but there is a danger in waiting too long.

If you are at the point of needing treatment, it may be worth getting a consultation in a center where there’s a lot of experience. We, who are focused on this, have the forefront of the developments at our fingertips. Doctors in the community setting are busy seeing a lot of different types of cancers. They have to keep up on all of this and they may not have immediate access to that information.

If it is time to get treated, it may be worth a consultation at least to say, “Is this the right thing? Or is there a compelling clinical trial that maybe may make more sense right in the current era?”

We’re bringing back hope. We’ve seen more developments at ASH 2023 than in maybe any prior in the last ten years that I can think of. That’s not unimportant.

Ruth: That’s a very hopeful message. We seem to say that every year but maybe now even more than ever.

Conclusion

Ruth: From a patient perspective, one of the themes that came out of ASH 2023 is all these new approaches to old diseases. It’s not that we’ve discovered new diseases. It’s that these are diseases and patients who have not had solutions for so long or our options have been so limited and now there are more and more options.

Thank you both so much for your time, Dr. Hobbs and Dr. Rampal. Always my pleasure.

Stephanie: Thank you so much, Ruth, for being our incredible patient advocate and moderator. Also to Drs. Hobbs and Rampal for the work and research you do to help move the landscape of myelofibrosis options. 

We hope that you walk away with a better understanding of the latest treatments and clinical trials in myelofibrosis. They may or may not be right for you, but it is our goal to make sure you feel empowered to make a decision for yourself.

Thank you and we hope to see you again at a future program at The Patient Story.

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Brandie’s Stage 4 Leiomyosarcoma Story

Brandie’s Stage 4 Leiomyosarcoma Story

Interviewed by: Alexis Moberger
Edited by: Katrina Villareal

Brandie B. feature profile

Brandie shares her journey with stage 4 leiomyosarcoma. She had a history of painful menstrual periods and a family history of fibroids and endometriosis, but in the summer of 2021, Brandie experienced worsening symptoms, including severe urinary urgency. Assuming it was related to fibroids, she underwent ovary removal surgery and an elective hysterectomy.

Unexpectedly, the pathology report revealed leiomyosarcoma, a rare cancer of the smooth muscle. Further surgeries were performed to remove metastatic implants. She also underwent chemotherapy regimens, which proved ineffective.

Seeking a second opinion at MD Anderson, she was recommended radiation. Despite its damaging effects on her bladder and colon, Brandie remained hopeful. However, the tumor continued to grow, leading to a failed surgery attempt. Desperate for options, she sought opinions from other specialists and found a sarcoma surgeon at City of Hope.

In April 2023, Brandie underwent a 14-hour surgery. The tumor was successfully removed, but her medical oncologist warned about the risk of microscopic cells in her bloodstream. A follow-up scan in September revealed a lung nodule, leading to a pulmonary wedge resection in October.

Throughout her leiomyosarcoma treatment, Brandie faced significant side effects, including neuropathy, muscle loss, and urinary incontinence. She maintained a positive outlook and her most recent scans in January 2024 showed no evidence of disease.

Despite the challenges, Brandie emphasizes the importance of seeing a specialist, getting multiple opinions, and continuing support for cancer survivors. She also shares her experience with having an ostomy, expressing gratitude for the improved quality of life it brought. Brandie encourages others to openly discuss their cancer journey and seek help when needed.

In addition to Brandie’s narrative, The Patient Story offers a diverse collection of sarcoma stories. These empowering stories provide real-life experiences, valuable insights, and perspectives on symptoms, diagnosis, and treatment options for cancer.


  • Name: Brandie B.
  • Diagnosis:
    • Leiomyosarcoma
  • Staging:
    • 4
  • Initial Symptoms:
    • Abdominal & pelvic pain
    • Cramping
    • Increased frequency of urination
    • Abnormally heavy menstrual periods
  • Treatment:
    • Chemotherapy: gemcitabine, docetaxel, doxorubicin, ifosfamide
    • Radiation
    • Surgeries: oophorectomy, elective hysterectomy, pulmonary wedge resection
Brandie B.
Brandie B. timeline
Brandie B. timeline

This interview has been edited for clarity and length. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider to make informed treatment decisions.

The views and opinions expressed in this interview do not necessarily reflect those of The Patient Story.



I have a bit of a medical background so I’m running the different possible scenarios through my head. It never crossed my mind that it could be cancer.

Introduction

I live in Northern California. I’m a registered nurse and work as an educator for a medical device company.

I love to travel. Before my diagnosis, I was into fitness. I did CrossFit and was a Peloton enthusiast.

I have a 6-year-old big, fat orange tabby cat named Toby and a wonderful boyfriend named Brad, who is a high school math teacher.

Pre-diagnosis

Initial Symptoms

I’ve always had painful menstrual periods since I was a teenager and a family history of fibroids and endometriosis. I always suspected that there was something unusual going on.

Doctors weren’t concerned over the years. There wasn’t ever any evidence of anything wrong. They told me, “You probably do have endometriosis, but we have to do surgery to confirm that so we’re just going to assume you do. If it gets to the point where you need to have surgery, then we can confirm it that way.”

Brandie B.
Brandie B.
Symptoms Worsen

Fast forward to the summer of 2021, I started having heavier, more painful menstrual periods, which was unusual. I also had a sensation of fullness or bloating in my pelvis. What spurred me to see a doctor emergently was having severe urinary urgency.

I have a bit of a medical background so I’m running the different possible scenarios through my head. It never crossed my mind that it could be cancer. I assumed I had a fibroid. I’d been told years ago that I had a teeny tiny one so I assumed that it was related to that.

Oophorectomy (Ovary Removal Surgery)

I ended up getting rushed into surgery. At this point, cancer’s still not on my radar. I had a large cyst on my ovary, which was funny that it didn’t raise alarm bells for me. It didn’t even occur to me that it could be malignant. They ended up having to remove my ovary because the cyst was solid.

Everything came back benign. But the doctor said, “What do you want to do about this large fibroid in your uterus?” I had turned 38 at the time and wasn’t interested in having children so I told the doctor, “Let’s do a hysterectomy. I know fibroids can come back. I want to do a one-and-done.”

The surgeon gets on the call and tells me, ‘I’m sorry, but your pathology report came back and it was not a fibroid. It was a sarcoma.’

Elective Hysterectomy

I had an elective hysterectomy and a couple of weeks later, I got a phone call from the clinic and they said, “Do you have time this afternoon for a video visit with your surgeon?” I knew something was up.

Diagnosis

Getting the Diagnosis of Stage 4 Leiomyosarcoma

The surgeon gets on the call and tells me, “I’m sorry, but your pathology report came back and it was not a fibroid. It was a sarcoma.” He kept saying, “Wow,” and added, “I haven’t seen this in decades.” He told me that he would be referring me to an oncologist and that’s where it all began.

We were hopeful that this sarcoma was confined to my uterus and since my uterus was gone, maybe this was it. Maybe this was my whole cancer story.

Brandie B.
Brandie B.
Secondary Oophorectomy

A couple of months later, the oncologist decided that she wanted to remove my remaining ovary because the tumor had estrogen receptors. When she went in, she found metastatic implants throughout my pelvis, which were confirmed to be sarcoma.

There were about six tiny nodules throughout my pelvis. They were attached to my peritoneum, bowel, and diaphragm, and they removed them all.

There was one small piece on my colon that they left behind. The surgeon, who was a gynecologic oncologist, told me that she was concerned about damaging my colon so she didn’t want to mess with it.

When I woke up from surgery, the fellow talked to me and said, “I’m so sorry.” I was still hazy coming out of anesthesia. She put her hand on my arm and said, “I’m so sorry, nobody deserves this.” I said, “What are you talking about?” I still was not fully with what was going on and she said, “We found more cancer in your pelvis so we’re going to have you start chemo in three weeks.”

At that point, I thought, “All right, we got this. I’m going to do chemo and it’s going to be what it is.” It turns out, I have leiomyosarcoma, a cancer of the smooth muscle, and it’s pretty much resistant to treatment.

I did 12 infusions, but the tumor doubled in size.

Treatment for Stage 4 Leiomyosarcoma

Chemotherapy (Gemcitabine & Docetaxel)

I did about six rounds of gemcitabine and docetaxel for four months, which I had an allergic reaction to. I did 12 infusions, but the tumor doubled in size so it did nothing.

Chemotherapy (Doxorubicin & Ifosfamide)

They decided to start me on a more aggressive chemotherapy that required me to be hospitalized for five days every three weeks. I started doxorubicin, or what they call the Red Devil, and ifosfamide, which can cause damage to your bladder, which is part of the reason why I had to be hospitalized and monitored closely while undergoing chemotherapy.

I did three rounds of that in about nine weeks and stayed 15 days or so in the hospital for those chemo infusions. They sent me for a scan and it doubled in size again so the tumor was not having it.

Brandie B.
Brandie B.
Tumor Not Responding to Chemo

They started weighing the different options. “It’s starting to invade your bladder and your sigmoid colon. We need to see if we can go in and remove this. If this looks like a surgery that’s not going to cause a ton of damage to your insides, we want to get it done and get you back on another chemo.”

The MRI showed that there’s too much invasion into my internal organs that if they do a surgery, it’s not going to be straightforward. It’s going to be a long recovery. It’s going to delay getting on to another systemic therapy so they decided that they didn’t want to operate.

I was pretty freaked out. Two chemo regimens had already failed me and they wanted to put me on a third. I’m thinking, What are the chances of that doing anything at this point?

Sometimes I wonder if things would have played out differently if I had been with a sarcoma specialist from the beginning.

Getting a Second Opinion

I got on a plane and went to MD Anderson to see a team of specialists who only treated sarcoma. I guess that was my first mistake as the doctor I had been seeing was not a sarcoma specialist. Sometimes I wonder if things would have played out differently if I had been with a sarcoma specialist from the beginning.

The team at MD Anderson said, “We’re going to get some more scans. We’re going to bring this to the tumor board then we’re going to call you and let you know what we think we should do next.”

A few days later, they called me and said they thought radiation was the best way to go. I temporarily relocated to Houston for about six weeks. Luckily, I have an amazing friend who let me stay with her and her husband. It was nice and comfortable. I had my own room. It was a good experience despite the reason why I was there.

Brandie B.
Brandie B.
Radiation

I went through 25 fractions of radiation. I went every single day. It was the first time that anybody had given me any hope. She told me, “I’ve seen your type of tumor respond to radiation before.” She explained how they dosed it in a way that it was going to cover a margin around the tumor that would reduce the risk of it recurring by 50%. I was on cloud nine, thinking I finally figured out something that was going to work.

But even as a nurse, I didn’t realize how devastating radiation can be to your body. I tolerated it pretty well while I was going through it, but it damaged my bladder severely and my colon. I start having bowel issues and urinary incontinence. I thought, This is a means to an end.

I finished radiation the day before Thanksgiving 2022. I packed all my things, went back home, and spent the holidays with my family. That was the order from my doctors. “Go home, spend the holidays with your family, rest, recover from radiation, and we’re going to see you back at the beginning of January for your surgery. We’re going to remove this tumor.”

I thought, If these surgeons at this top hospital are not comfortable operating on me, then I’m a goner. This is it.

Tumor Grew

They scheduled me for surgery. I went out a few days early and my mom flew out with me. They did scans and a bunch of tests. I showed up on the morning of my pre-op, the day before the surgery was supposed to take place, and the surgeon told me, “I’m sorry. It looks like your tumor has grown and I can’t operate on you.”

That was probably the lowest point for me right there. I felt pretty hopeless. I went through all of this to get this thing out of me. It was 12 cm. It was huge and uncomfortable. It was crushing my bladder. I was having bowel issues. I was getting obstructed and I was miserable. I thought, If these surgeons at this top hospital are not comfortable operating on me, then I’m a goner. This is it.

Brandie B.
Brandie B.
Follow-up Appointment with Oncologist

They decided that they were going to have me follow up with my medical oncologist before I flew back home to California. I moped around for a couple of days then I got in to see him.

He said, “You know what? It might still be inflamed from the radiation. It’s negligibly larger. I’m going to run this by the tumor board, but we’re going to send you home for six more weeks. We’re going to scan you again and then make a decision. If it is larger, we’re going to consider systemic therapy again. But if it’s not, then we’ll talk about what we can do.”

I had this sense of relief. I’m going to go back to living my life for six more weeks.

The team at City of Hope brought my case to the tumor board and found out that there was a surgeon there who did nothing but operate on soft tissue sarcoma.

Getting Additional Opinions

During those six weeks, I got more opinions. I saw a doctor at Memorial Sloan-Kettering and a doctor at City of Hope. The team at City of Hope brought my case to the tumor board and found out that there was a surgeon there who did nothing but operate on soft tissue sarcoma.

I felt like it was all serendipitous. When I was first diagnosed, I looked for other sarcoma patients and their stories on social media to help guide me through what I was going through. I came across a surgeon whose Instagram name was @sarcomasurgeon. He turned out to be the surgeon who said that he would be able to help me. I thought, Everything’s aligning. This is meant to be. This guy’s going to save my life.

Brandie B.
Brandie B.
Surgery to Remove the Tumor

I went for my pre-op and saw the surgeon. I said, “Things are not moving.” He admitted me to the hospital right then and there, and I had surgery the next day.

The surgery was supposed to be on April 20th and it ended up happening earlier on April 12, 2023. I was brought in emergently. I had an almost 14-hour surgery.

There were five different surgeons involved. Dr. Tseng, a sarcoma oncologist at City of Hope, led the team, which included 1 or 2 urologists and a gynecologic surgeon. They had to do a diverting colostomy so there was a colorectal surgeon involved.

They ended up having to call on vascular surgery because the tumor was fused to the neurovascular bundle in the left side of my pelvis so the major artery in my pelvis was severed. They had to graft it and repair it because the tumor was fused to it. The tumor was stuck to my sigmoid colon. It had not grown into my colon, but it was smashing it so severely that nothing could pass through.

They had to remove a piece of my sigmoid colon and half of my bladder. The tumor was attached to my left distal ureter, which is the tube that goes from your kidney to your bladder, so they had to remove part of that.

I didn’t care what morbidities or complications I was left with. I wanted the tumor out and I didn’t care what they had to do.

My ureter wasn’t long enough to reach my bladder anymore so they had to reroute my ureters so that they funneled into one. My insides have been MacGyver-ed. They grafted the arterial damage to the artery in my pelvis.

When I went in for the surgery, there was some discrepancy because the radiologist said they were concerned that the cancer had implanted in my peritoneum so they were calling it sarcomatosis, which would pretty much be there’s nothing we can do at this point.

He told me that he did not see that. He did not agree with that radiologist and that we were going to proceed with the surgery, but I needed to be aware that if he opened me up and saw that, then he would have to abort the surgery. That was a big thing going in because I didn’t know if it was going to be successful. I didn’t know if they would be able to get the tumor out at all.

After a few hours, my mom was under the impression that they must be proceeding with the surgery because I’d been in there that long. That was a little bit nerve-wracking. I didn’t care what morbidities or complications I was left with. I wanted the tumor out and I didn’t care what they had to do.

Brandie B.
Brandie B.
Recovering from Surgery

I spent two days in the ICU and about 10 days total in the hospital. They wouldn’t let me go home to Northern California for another month because they wanted me to be close by. I stayed with a friend in the LA area who was a nurse and took great care of me. I have been fortunate to have so many good friends through all of this who have been willing to step up and help out.

I had a nephrostomy tube in my back to drain my kidney, a drain in my abdomen, and a catheter in my bladder. I had all these tubes coming out of me and they sent me home that way for about a month before they finally let me go home to Northern California.

I come back for my first scans and there is a nodule in my lung.

He said, ‘We’re not going to mess around. We’re not going to wait and see what this turns into. I’m sending you to a thoracic surgeon and having that piece of your lung removed.’

Status Post-Surgery

After the surgery, the surgeon came to talk to me and said, “We got the whole tumor out with clear margins, but with sarcoma, that doesn’t mean a whole lot. There could be microscopic cells floating throughout your bloodstream that are waiting to re-implant somewhere else. I’m not telling you that to scare you, but that’s the reality and I want you to be aware.”

I followed up a few weeks later with my medical oncologist and he said, “I consider you to be cured.” I was elated at this point. This was June 2023 and I’m being told that I’m cured of stage 4 sarcoma. This made me laugh. I told him, “Okay. I know we’re going to continue with the scans every four months. I’m going to be cautiously optimistic because I understand the risks of this returning,” and he said, “No, no, no, you should be grotesquely optimistic.” There was a big celebration at this point.

Brandie B.
Brandie B.
Post-Surgery Scan

Fast forward to September, I come back for my first scans and there is a nodule in my lung. My doctor is still very optimistic. He said, “Look, it looks like that nodule has been there for a long time. I went back and looked at your old scans. It decided to grow a little bit and it was still less than a centimeter. It was tiny.”

He said, “We’re not going to mess around. We’re not going to wait and see what this turns into. I’m sending you to a thoracic surgeon and having that piece of your lung removed.”

Pulmonary Wedge Resection

In October, I had a pulmonary wedge resection. They removed the top part of my left lung with the tumor. It was confirmed to be metastatic sarcoma, but they got it all out. Turns out that’s the best-case scenario for me. If something pops up and it is operable, then that’s the plan because we know that I don’t respond to chemo.

When you get diagnosed with cancer, your whole life changes.

Side Effects of Treatment

All of the treatments that I’ve been through have left me with some pretty significant impairments. I have pretty severe neuropathy in both feet and damage to a nerve in my left thigh. I have a lot of muscle loss. I have been able to regain a lot of strength months after surgery, but for a while, I was falling a lot. I even fell and broke my wrist at one point.

I had a lot of instability, like the feeling of not being able to feel your feet. Your feet feel like they’re asleep, like pins and needles 24/7 so that’s pretty uncomfortable. But like I said, I’m alive.

Follow-up Scans

My most recent scans were on January 4, 2024, and they were perfectly clear for the first time since I started this whole journey.

Brandie B.
Brandie B.

Sharing My Cancer Story

Part of the reason why I like to be so open about what I’ve been going through is sarcoma is a rare cancer and a lot of people don’t know what it is. When they hear the word sarcoma, they don’t necessarily know that it’s cancer or what it affects. It makes up less than 1% of all diagnosed cancers and there are over 80 subtypes. There’s not a lot of research. There aren’t a lot of treatment options.

When you get diagnosed with cancer, your whole life changes. It’s not as simple as, “I’m going to do chemo or have this surgery and then I’m going to go on my merry way and put this behind me.” For most people, that’s not the case.

The very first time my care team said that a colostomy was a possibility, I did everything I could to mentally prepare myself.

Having a Colostomy Bag

The colostomy has not been an issue at all. They told me that it would potentially be reversible. I don’t even care. It’s honestly improved my quality of life. I don’t mind it at all. It’s not hard to manage.

Most people wouldn’t know it was there if I didn’t tell them and the people who do know are people who know what to look for because they’re medical professionals that I encounter in my day-to-day life. Nobody needs to know it’s there if I don’t tell them.

I’ve had a pretty significant injury to my bladder so after all of the radiation and the surgery, I was left with a fistula. A hole that developed in my bladder has left me with pretty severe urinary incontinence, which is difficult for a woman in her late 30s who likes to travel and do things.

I’ve been confined to managing that. I spent about four months with a catheter in my bladder in 2023. We’ve tried a lot of things to get it to heal. I saw a specialist who attempted to repair it but my bladder and vaginal tissue were so severely damaged from all the radiation and the surgery that the repair did not work.

Brandie B.
Brandie B.

I’m getting ready to have an ileal conduit surgery, which is a urostomy so I’m going to have two ostomies. We decided that this was the quickest way to get my quality of life back so I could get back to traveling, going on girls’ trips, getting in a swimsuit, and not having to worry about urinary incontinence or having a catheter.

The very first time my care team said that a colostomy was a possibility, I did everything I could to mentally prepare myself. I went on Instagram and started following people who have colostomies, watching their day-to-day lives, how they dress, how they manage it, and how they maintain it. It helped me wrap my head around these women living these lives. They’re in swimsuits, wearing cute clothes, doing this and that, and nobody has to know that they have a colostomy. I can do this.

When I went in for the surgery, they still didn’t know if I would need it or not. It was going to be a surprise when I woke up. But when they told me, I wasn’t upset, not even a little bit. I said, “You guys did what you had to do to save my life and this is my new normal.”

For the most part, it doesn’t affect me. It’s not a problem. It’s only improved my quality of life.

When I came out of surgery, there were so many things going on that I didn’t pay any attention to it. The ostomy nurse saw me several times before I was discharged from the hospital and made sure I was comfortable changing it. She taught me how to do it and then she had me do it with her there so that she could watch, critique, and offer suggestions. We talked about the different products that were available and what I should try. She set me up with my first order of supplies and then I went from there.

I do think that I have a little bit of an unfair advantage being a nurse. Things that might be a little weird or gross to a regular person don’t necessarily gross me out, but it hasn’t been trouble. I haven’t had any horror stories, like a leakage accident, happen.

There have been times when the bag starts to detach from my abdomen, but I usually can tell that something’s going awry and I can intervene pretty quickly. For the most part, it doesn’t affect me. It’s not a problem. It’s only improved my quality of life.

Brandie B.
Brandie B.

Words of Advice

If you were to ever be diagnosed with sarcoma, the very first thing you need to do is search for a sarcoma center at a hospital with a cancer center. Sarcoma does not behave the same way as solid tumor cancers. It’s its own beast and requires somebody who knows exactly how it behaves and how to treat it.

I do wonder what if. What if I had been seeing a sarcoma specialist from the get-go? Not only should you see a sarcoma specialist right off the bat, but you should also get multiple opinions. I know that can seem daunting when you’re faced with a new diagnosis. You feel overwhelmed and don’t know what to do first.

I very much remember being in that situation where somebody like me, who is a nurse, who wants to understand everything about what’s going on, shut down. I wanted to curl up in a fetal position and let somebody else deal with it. It was too much for me to handle.

Once somebody is treated for cancer and receives clear scans or told that they have no evidence of disease, they still need support. It doesn’t end right there.

Fortunately, I have a really good friend who helped her mom navigate through a colon cancer diagnosis and she knew how to be that advocate. She stepped in and made phone calls for me. She handled what I was not capable of handling at the moment. I’m really grateful to her for that.

She set up multiple opinions for me because it’s overwhelming. You just want to go with what the first doctor says, get started with treatment, and get going, but it’s important to get multiple opinions from places that specialize in sarcoma.

Once somebody is treated for cancer and receives clear scans or told that they have no evidence of disease, they still need support. It doesn’t end right there. I’m going to continue to be scanned every four months, probably for the rest of my life, and I have to deal with that paralyzing fear every time.

I have all of these disabilities and complications to deal with now. This is the price that I had to pay to have more time on this earth and I would do it again if I had to.

Continue to support your friends who have been through cancer because it doesn’t go away once they get that all clear.

Brandie B.
Brandie B.

Honestly, if you’re comfortable, ask your doctor for medications that can help. It’s okay to not be able to deal with it all on your own. I take medication for anxiety when I go in for scans and usually, I have to start taking it a few days before.

This might be different for other people, but I can show up to surgery alone; it doesn’t scare me. I can go sit in a chemo chair alone; that’s fine. But when I’m going to have the doctor deliver my scan results, I need to have somebody close to me with me. I do my best to remind myself that whatever the result is, we will take the next steps and deal with it.

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The Latest in Hodgkin Lymphoma

The Latest in Hodgkin Lymphoma with Matthew Matasar, MD

Interviewed by: Alexis Moberger & Jenna Jones
Edited by: Katrina Villareal

Dr. Matthew Matasar at ASH 2023

Matthew Matasar, MD, is the chief of blood disorders at the Rutgers Cancer Institute of New Jersey and RWJBarnabas Health. He oversees hematologic malignancies, transplant and cell therapy, and benign hematology. He is also a professor of medicine at Rutgers Robert Wood Johnson Medical School.

Dr. Matasar discusses some of the most exciting news coming out of ASH 2023.

The American Society of Hematology (ASH) hosts an annual comprehensive meeting that covers new research, scientific abstracts, and the latest topics in hematology.


This interview has been edited for clarity and length. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider to make informed treatment decisions.

The views and opinions expressed in this interview do not necessarily reflect those of The Patient Story.



Introduction

I’m the chief of blood disorders at the Rutgers Cancer Institute of New Jersey.

I’m bringing updates from ASH 2023 about blood cancers to help you better understand this area.

ASH is a major organization in blood cancers. It’s the American Society of Hematology and we have a meeting every December that rotates among different cities. It’s a chance for us to present our latest data, meet colleagues and friends, and talk about future projects and how we’re going to continue to make progress towards curing blood cancers.

There are other medicines that we know are effective in treating Hodgkin lymphoma, including a family of immunotherapies called checkpoint inhibitors.

Dr. Matthew Matasar

What are the updates from ASH 2023 with Hodgkin lymphoma treatments?

There is ongoing progress in our treatment of patients with Hodgkin lymphoma. We have some provocative early data.

For a long time, the standard of care for Hodgkin lymphoma was the chemotherapy regimen called ABVD. That changed a few years back as we learned that using a newer medicine called brentuximab vedotin or ADCETRIS instead of one of the older chemotherapy medicines cured more people.

There are other medicines that we know are effective in treating Hodgkin lymphoma, including a family of immunotherapies called checkpoint inhibitors. We’re now getting some readout about whether we can incorporate those medicines into the first-line treatment of patients with Hodgkin lymphoma, either in early-stage or even advanced-stage disease. Can we cure more patients that way than with our current traditional standards?

The answer begins to look like it could be yes. There’s some very interesting data at ASH, particularly looking at older patients with Hodgkin lymphoma, showing that substituting this checkpoint inhibitor treatment for brentuximab seems to be safer and more effective, and that’s a win-win.

ABVD remains the standard of care, however, for patients with early-stage Hodgkin lymphoma.

Dr. Matthew Matasar

When is bleomycin used in treatment for patients with Hodgkin lymphoma?

Bleomycin is an old standard chemotherapy medicine that’s been around longer than I’ve been doing this. It’s been a standard part of older traditional chemotherapy programs in Hodgkin lymphoma. It’s the B in the ABVD and it was well-known for both its effectiveness but also its potential risks.

Chief among them is a risk of lung injury that can happen unpredictably but can be severe when it occurs. We know that it can happen more commonly in older people, although we don’t know why.

That was the impetus for some of these studies that led to progress. Can we get rid of bleomycin altogether and switch it out for some of these newer medicines? The current program of AAVD, where bleomycin was substituted with Adcetris, an antibody-drug conjugate, showed that we cured more people that way.

ABVD remains the standard of care, however, for patients with early-stage Hodgkin lymphoma because those patients are at lower risk both for lung injury because they get less chemo and for relapsing because our cure rate is so high in early-stage disease.

Nonetheless, we do have evidence at ASH 2023. A study being presented combining Adcetris, a checkpoint inhibitor called nivolumab or nivo for short, and the VD (vinblastine and dacarbazine), showing that the four-drug combination (AN+AD) looks to be very promising in patients with early-stage Hodgkin lymphoma.

Is it a standard yet? Nope. Is it exciting? Definitely. It’s early data. We need to see longer follow-ups and see that compared in a rigorous fashion to older traditional treatments. But the treatment looks to be safe and effective. If we can cure more people and continue to avoid the risk of lung injury with bleomycin, that will be progress.

Your doctor will be able to guide you best in choosing the right treatment if they know you and your priorities best.

Dr. Matthew Matasar

How can patients be involved in treatment decision-making?

I encourage patients to talk with their doctors before and as they’re choosing a treatment together to make sure that the doctor understands their priorities. All of these chemotherapy programs have risks and side effects. Your doctor will be able to guide you best in choosing the right treatment if they know you and your priorities best.

We teach our student doctors and our doctors in training to do this. There’s a program with the best outcomes, but the differences can be minor. If the risks with a certain program are unacceptable, then it’s the wrong treatment even if it has a 1% better cure rate. It’s not right for you as an individual.

You’re not going to give somebody who’s a professional sharpshooter a medicine that has a risk of causing nerve damage to their fingers. Their professional life will be over. Even if it’s the “right treatment,” for that person, it’s the wrong treatment. Everything is in the context of you as a patient. You have to share that openly and candidly with your doctor so you can choose well together.

If your doctor says you’re taking up too much time, you have the wrong doctor. That is unacceptable. I believe in my heart that no doctor actually feels that way. We’re all in this to win this. We show up to work every day because we want to cure people and care for people. Period.

Don’t feel that you’re burdening your doctor. We do our job best when we communicate most clearly and most authentically with our patients. I need to know you as well as possible if I can be the best doctor for you.

I’ll tell my patients that I’m their Sherpa. I’m the guy lugging the bags up the mountain. This is your mountain climb. This is your journey. I’m here to guide the way. I can’t do that if I don’t know you and if you’re not authentic with me.

Radiation treatment, effective though it may be, comes with risks. Those risks can be both short-term and, more importantly, long-term.

Dr. Matthew Matasar

What is the role of radiation in the treatment of Hodgkin lymphoma?

Radiation therapy continues to be a very effective treatment in managing Hodgkin lymphoma but one that we continue to try to constrain the use of. We understand that radiation treatment, effective though it may be, comes with risks. Those risks can be both short-term and, more importantly, long-term depending on where the radiation beam is shined.

Radiation is good at treating and killing cancer cells, particularly Hodgkin cancer cells, but it also touches tissue in the area where the beam is shining. If it’s shining near your heart, your doctor needs to be thoughtful about the risk of subsequent heart disease later in life after you’ve been cured. The same goes for any part of the body.

When you’re considering radiation treatment, you want to have a thorough and informed discussion with both your medical and radiation oncologists to understand what their understanding is of your personalized late-effect risk given the dose, where the beam will shine, and your personal characteristics.

Some studies are now being deployed and developed to try to develop the next-generation immunotherapies that could hold promise for our patients.

Dr. Matthew Matasar

Are there upcoming treatments for Hodgkin lymphoma that patients need to watch out for?

An area of both unmet need and promise is: what do we do when all of our current excellent treatments have failed? Thank God this is not common. We have a very broad and very encouraging treatment armamentarium. We have a lot of tools in the bag.

Despite that, there are still situations when all of our treatments fail patients, including this family of immunotherapies, these checkpoint inhibitors. What do we do when even checkpoint inhibitors have failed our patients? What’s after that has been our question.

Some studies are now being deployed and developed to try to develop the next-generation immunotherapies that could hold promise for our patients, even when our current treatments have failed. We don’t have data on those yet, but we’re seeing those studies being described, developed, and opened. We’re seeing that at ASH and that’s encouraging.

One study we have open at Rutgers is next-generation immunotherapy, a drug called favezelimab. This targets a different mechanism of immune activation. It’s being looked at in combination with checkpoint inhibitor treatment in patients who have been failed by checkpoint inhibitors alone, hoping that this dual immunotherapy could work even when single-agent immunotherapy has failed.

For people who’ve been failed by good first treatment, if they’re fit and eligible, receive an autologous or from-self stem cell transplant.

Dr. Matthew Matasar

When is stem cell transplant considered for a patient with Hodgkin lymphoma?

The way that we often approach Hodgkin lymphoma is we give good first treatment with the hope and usually expectation of cure. Despite that, a smaller percentage of patients will be failed by that treatment and require additional therapy.

For people who’ve been failed by good first treatment, if they’re fit and eligible, receive an autologous or from-self stem cell transplant. That treatment can cure patients even after being failed by traditional chemotherapy. How to get people to and through that treatment is a little bit individualized, but it’s generally seen as a two- or three-step approach, sometimes described as a triple jump.

Step one is to get the disease into remission and shrink it down. We do that with chemotherapy, immunotherapy, or a combination. How best to do that first jump is very personalized.

Once somebody is in remission, God-willing, then they go into step two, which is the stem cell transplant itself. What that is fundamentally is a round of high-dose chemotherapy with or — increasingly — without radiation as part of that.

A small percentage of your body’s stem cells, which are filtered out of your blood, are collected and frozen. You get six days of intensified chemotherapy. On the seventh day, you rest. Your stem cells are thawed and given back to you as an antidote to the chemotherapy to allow you to recover quickly.

Part of the problem with high-dose chemotherapy is that it wipes out, God-willing, every last of those Hodgkin cells, but it also will temporarily empty your bone marrow.

Dr. Matthew Matasar
How does using your stem cells help treat the cancer?

Part of the problem is calling this treatment a transplant. It’s a misnomer. There’s no transplantation going on. When we write about this, what we use is high-dose therapy with autologous stem cell rescue. What that translates to is a round of intensified chemotherapy and giving your stem cells as an antidote to the chemotherapy.

Part of the problem with high-dose chemotherapy is that it wipes out, God-willing, every last of those Hodgkin cells, but it also will temporarily empty your bone marrow because those cells are sensitive to that chemotherapy.

By giving you your stem cells back, those cells know what to do. They go back to the bone marrow space that’s been temporarily emptied by the chemotherapy. They’re seeds planted in fertile soil. They start to grow anew and allow you to start making new blood cells, typically about 10 days later.

The treatment with an allogeneic transplant is a little bit of a tightrope walk.

Dr. Matthew Matasar
When do you use your stem cells versus a donor’s?

There are two different types of transplants. There’s the one that is called autologous or from yourself, which is not a transplant. It’s an antidote.

A situation when you’re doing a donor stem cell transplant is called an allogeneic transplant or from someone else; that’s a transplant. You are transplanting someone else’s immune system into your body.

That’s a very different treatment with very different purposes. The donor stem cells are the treatment because what we’re asking those cells to do is to make a new immune system and have that new immune system prevent the cancer from coming back. It is the ultimate immunotherapy.

An allogeneic stem cell transplant has risks and rewards along with it. It’s great. It can cure Hodgkin lymphoma even when chemotherapies have failed. That’s very powerful. But that new immune system needs to be managed.

The treatment with an allogeneic transplant is a little bit of a tightrope walk. If the new immune system gets too active, it can start attacking not just cancer cells but healthy cells. That’s graft versus host disease (GvHD) when the new immune system attacks your body.

If you suppress that immune system to keep it from being so hyperactive and injuring healthy cells, now your immune system is lowered and you’re at risk for infections. It’s a balancing act and that’s the challenge with donor transplants. And that’s why specialists do this.

Ask for a second opinion. Don’t worry about offending anyone or hurting their feelings.

Dr. Matthew Matasar

How can a patient advocate for their health?

This is an important point and a great challenge. There is a lot of different care given in this country. Some of it is excellent and some of it is less. There’s a lot of inequality and inequity that comes from that observation, but it’s the truth of it.

I worry that patients are uncomfortable, shy, or defer to their doctors. They don’t want to be a squeaky wheel or hurt anyone’s feelings. This is nonsense. This is your journey and this is your life.

Ask your doctor: How up-to-date are these data? How do you keep up to date? How did you arrive at this decision? Is my case reviewed at a tumor board or with your colleagues or are you making these decisions in a vacuum? Where would you recommend I get a second opinion? If it’s a community center, should I go see an expert? The answer is often yes.

A good community oncologist gives excellent care nine times out of ten and will welcome a second opinion from a local academic expert because it gives them additional confidence and support and reassures the patient that they’re getting good care. We all want our patients to be confident in and comfortable with the care they’re receiving.

Be a squeaky wheel. Ask for a second opinion. Don’t worry about offending anyone or hurting their feelings.

Immunotherapy is effective, active, and powerful in Hodgkin lymphoma.

Dr. Matthew Matasar

Will we see the use of bispecific antibodies and CAR T-cell therapy in the treatment of Hodgkin lymphoma?

Truthfully, not yet. It’s an interesting question why. In many ways, we see that immunotherapy is very powerful in treating Hodgkin’s lymphoma. This family of checkpoint inhibitors helps a lot of different types of cancer. They can help non-Hodgkin lymphoma and other types of cancer sometimes.

They don’t work in any disease better than they work in Hodgkin’s. Hodgkin’s is the paragon. It’s a shining example of how these treatments can help patients.

We know immunotherapy is effective, active, and powerful in Hodgkin lymphoma. Why haven’t we been able to develop CAR T and bispecifics in this disease? I don’t know, but we’re working on it.

All these lymphomas are unique illnesses with their unique ways of behaving. They range from very slow-growing illnesses to very fast-growing illnesses and everything in between.

Dr. Matthew Matasar

What is the difference between Hodgkin lymphoma and non-Hodgkin lymphoma?

Lymphoma is not one disease. There are more than 100 different types, all of which come from lymphocytes or immune cells.

One of these lymphomas is called Hodgkin lymphoma and the others are very creatively called non-Hodgkin lymphoma. Why? Because they’re not Hodgkin lymphoma.

All these lymphomas are unique illnesses with their unique ways of behaving. They range from very slow-growing illnesses to very fast-growing illnesses and everything in between.

We generally lump them into two families, one that we call indolent or more naturally slow-growing and aggressive or more naturally fast-growing. These tend to present a little bit differently.

The most common way to find an indolent lymphoma is accidentally doing testing for other purposes. Let’s say a patient had a kidney stone and got a CT scan and there were some small swollen lymph nodes in there. A biopsy is done and, lo and behold, they find lymphoma that wouldn’t have been found if it weren’t for these other tests.

Aggressive lymphomas tend to make people sick and announce themselves. Swollen glands, a new lump, or symptoms like fevers, drenching night sweats, unexplained weight loss, progressive profound fatigue, pain, something wrong that is new, persistent, and progressive — those lead people to go and see a doctor to see why.

Common symptoms for patients with a new diagnosis of Hodgkin lymphoma can also include shortness of breath, progressive fatigue, and drenching night sweats.

Dr. Matthew Matasar

What are the symptoms of Hodgkin lymphoma?

Hodgkin lymphoma has unique symptoms that are traditionally associated with it. Most commonly, it’s swollen glands, typically in the neck or the armpit than in the belly or groin.

Common symptoms for patients with a new diagnosis of Hodgkin lymphoma can also include shortness of breath, progressive fatigue, and drenching night sweats.

There’s a specific and uncommon but peculiar symptom of feeling pain right after drinking some alcoholic beverage, oftentimes in the middle of the chest. If you have that symptom, it always turns out that you have Hodgkin lymphoma. It’s almost diagnostic of this disease. I don’t know why, but it’s the truth.

Itchiness is not an uncommon way for Hodgkin lymphoma to announce itself. There’s all these traditional stories that we all know. A common story leading to a Hodgkin’s diagnosis can be, “I’ve been itching for the last 12 months. I saw my internist and they sent me to an allergist. They did a skin biopsy and put me on antihistamines. They helped for a little while, but then I got itchy again. They gave me steroids and that helped. I stopped the steroids and got itchy again. Finally, somebody said, ‘Maybe we should do an X-ray or a CAT scan or something.’” Then they find out it’s been Hodgkin’s all along.

When patients ask me what the correlation is between itchiness and lymphoma, I say it’s evil humor. It’s something that the Hodgkin’s is secreting into the body to cause itchiness. We don’t know what that substance is, but it’s a real thing.

If you’re not getting a satisfactory answer, if you’re continuing to feel unwell, you need and deserve to know why.

Dr. Matthew Matasar

What can patients do when they’re having symptoms and feel like something is wrong?

This is challenging because doctors’ brains are trained to seek the most likely answer. There’s a phrase that everybody hears in medical school that goes, “When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.”

Common things are common. If you’re an internist, if somebody is itchy, nine times out of ten, chances are it’s because they have a new detergent, eczema, or some seasonal allergy. It’s usually not Hodgkin’s. It’s not a common disease.

From the patient’s perspective, you need to not take no for an answer. If you’re not getting a satisfactory answer, if you’re continuing to feel unwell, you need and deserve to know why. Ask for additional testing or additional referrals until somebody can figure out why.

There’s this family of not very well-understood, illnesses called paraneoplastic syndromes.

Dr. Matthew Matasar

What’s the most unusual Hodgkin lymphoma symptom you’ve seen? 

Some rare but awful things can be symptoms of Hodgkin lymphoma or other lymphomas. There’s this family of not very well-understood, illnesses called paraneoplastic syndromes. It means some sort of illness that’s being caused by the cancer but not from the cancer.

A range of paraneoplastic syndromes can occur. Some of these can be very, very devastating, including neurological or even brain illnesses that are caused by the body’s reaction to the cancer in an indirect fashion. They can be very confusing because they’re very rare and can be devastating.

Hopefully, a diagnosis will be made. Paraneoplasia usually gets better when the cancer gets better. Not always, but usually.

A scan never diagnoses cancer. The only thing that diagnoses cancer is a pathologist.

Dr. Matthew Matasar

How is Hodgkin lymphoma diagnosed?

Often, when somebody meets me, it’s because they’ve been diagnosed with lymphoma already but not always. Sometimes people will be referred for an evaluation to guide that diagnostic process because somebody is worried that it could be Hodgkin’s.

There’s a very clear process for how you go about diagnosing Hodgkin’s lymphoma. You have a clinical suspicion that leads to imaging, which will then show swollen glands or other growths that are suspicious of Hodgkin’s lymphoma or some other illness.

A scan never diagnoses cancer. The only thing that diagnoses cancer is a pathologist, a doctor who looks at a diagnostic-quality biopsy specimen under a microscope.

Lymphomas are cancers of lymphocytes; that’s a biological term. Leukemia means cancer in the blood. It’s a geographical term.

Dr. Matthew Matasar

What is the difference between lymphoma and leukemia?

This is a point of confusion because these terms get bandied around a lot. Lymphomas are cancers of lymphocytes; that’s a biological term. Leukemia means cancer in the blood. It’s a geographical term. It doesn’t tell you anything about what type of cancer it is.

You can have breast cancer that is in the leukemic phase, meaning it’s a breast cancer, but it’s spread into the bloodstream. You can have prostate cancer, in the leukemic phase. You can have lymphomas that are leukemic lymphomas. Chronic lymphocytic leukemia is a lymphoma that is leukemic. It’s a lymphoma in the bloodstream.

Other types of leukemia are not from lymphocytes but from other types of immune cells. The most common of those is acute myelogenous leukemia or AML. That’s a type of leukemia that comes not from lymphocytes but from myelocytes, a different type of immune cell.

As far as symptoms, how do lymphoma and leukemia differ?

Leukemia is a geographic description. Some leukemias have no symptoms. You show up for a routine blood test and the doctor sees something and refers you to a hematologist.

Some types of leukemia make people very, very sick very quickly: progressive fatigue, weight loss, and a loss of appetite. What doctors very unpleasantly label failure to thrive, which means the patient is sick and getting sicker.

Follicular lymphoma is an indolent, slow-growing lymphoma. Most commonly, people with follicular lymphoma will be diagnosed before they ever have symptoms.

Dr. Matthew Matasar

What is follicular lymphoma?

Follicular lymphoma is most common in America and similar countries. It’s the most common slow-growing form of lymphoma.

It’s called follicular not because of hair follicles but because of the stage we think that lymphoma develops. As lymphocytes grow up or mature, they transit through a lymph node. Lymph nodes have these little follicles in them, which are areas where lymphocytes train how to fight infections and mature. While they go through those little follicles, we think that’s the step at which the mutation occurs.

What symptoms are associated with follicular lymphoma?

Follicular lymphoma is an indolent, slow-growing lymphoma. Most commonly, people with follicular lymphoma will be diagnosed before they ever have symptoms. For example, they go for a routine mammogram and the breast tissue is healthy, but there’s a swollen gland in the armpit. That will lead to a biopsy and the biopsy will show follicular lymphoma. Any number of stories like that.

Sometimes people will have follicular lymphoma and be sick from it. The most common symptoms would be progressive fatigue or if a lymph node is growing in a spot that’s pushing on a nerve, it may cause pain.

Is follicular lymphoma genetic?

Follicular lymphoma is a genetic illness insofar as we think that it arises from randomly occurring mutations in those lymphocytes in the majority of patients, but it’s not genetic in terms of hereditary.

It’s not passed on from parent to child in a direct fashion. If you’re diagnosed, your children don’t typically need to be screened or tested to see if they’re at risk for follicular lymphoma. If you have a family member who was diagnosed with follicular lymphoma, it doesn’t mean that you need to go and get a screening test of any sort.

The only one I would actively screen for is a rare form of T-cell lymphoma called either ATLL (adult T-cell leukemia/lymphoma) or HTLV-1-associated leukemia/lymphoma.

Dr. Matthew Matasar

Are there any lymphomas or leukemias that require genetic screening?

Never say never. There’s a lot of variety in my world and there are some illnesses that have a more clear familial relationship.

The only one I would actively screen for is a rare form of T-cell lymphoma called either ATLL (adult T-cell leukemia/lymphoma) or HTLV-1-associated leukemia/lymphoma. It’s an uncommon form of lymphoma in America that’s caused by a virus that can be passed from parent to child.

Not everybody with that virus will develop lymphoma, thank God. But if there’s a parent who develops ATLL associated with HTLV-1, some experts might consider screening children to see if they carry the virus. Whether they need to be screened for lymphoma if they do have it is unknown, but that’s information that some families will choose to seek.

For most forms of lymphoma, even stage 4, which means it’s in lymph nodes and other tissues, is not the bad news that it is with other types of cancer.

Dr. Matthew Matasar

What is staging in lymphoma?

Staging means where the cancer is in your body. The stage for some types of cancers is super important, like breast cancer, lung cancer, and colon cancer. For cancers that start in an organ in the body, the stage is king. Stage 1 means we got it early and stage 4 is often a challenging conversation.

The stage of lymphoma is not as important. For most forms of lymphoma, even stage 4, which means it’s in lymph nodes and other tissues, is not the bad news that it is with other types of cancer.

Stage 1 typically means involving lymph nodes in one area in the body, like the left neck or the right groin.

Stage 2 means multiple lymph node areas but on one side of the body. Stage 2 is lymph nodes either above or below the diaphragm.

Stage 3 is lymph nodes above and below the diaphragm.

Stage 4 is in lymph nodes and other parts of the body, like some other tissue, the bone marrow, or an organ like your lung, liver, or skin.

What is Burkitt’s lymphoma?

Burkitt lymphoma is a less common form of highly aggressive non-Hodgkin lymphoma. There are three different types of Burkitt lymphoma.

One is endemic Burkitt lymphoma and this is usually found in children in Africa. It’s associated with infection with both Epstein-Barr virus and often malaria. It typically shows up in children with a very large mass in the jaw, sometimes with illness throughout the body. In America, that’s much less common, thankfully.

The two types that are more common in America are sporadic Burkitt’s and a secondary form, which is associated with HIV, is immunodeficiency-related  Burkitt lymphoma.


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Emily’s Cytogenetically Normal Acute Myeloid Leukemia (CN-AML) Story

Emily’s Cytogenetically Normal Acute Myeloid Leukemia (CN-AML) Story with NPM1 & FLT3 Wild-Type Mutations

Interviewed by: Alexis Moberger
Edited by: Katrina Villareal

Emily T. feature profile

Emily shares her journey of being diagnosed with cytogenetically normal acute myeloid leukemia (CN-AML) with NPM1 & FLT3 wild-type mutations at the age of 32.

She shares the challenges she faced during the diagnostic process while she was in a foreign country. She delves into the experiences of undergoing intensive chemotherapy, facing side effects, and eventually receiving a bone marrow transplant.

She discusses the difficulties in finding a suitable bone marrow donor, the emotional and physical toll of the transplant process, and the ongoing challenges post-transplant, including graft-versus-host disease (GvHD) and early-onset menopause.

Emily emphasizes the importance of self-advocacy, seeking multiple medical opinions, and finding ways to cope with the physical and emotional aspects of cancer treatment. She highlights the need for a holistic approach to healing, involving supportive relationships, lifestyle adjustments, and a proactive mindset. She also reflects on empowerment and resilience, emphasizing the individual’s role in navigating the complexities of cancer survivorship.

In addition to Emily’s narrative, The Patient Story offers a diverse collection of AML stories. These empowering stories provide real-life experiences, valuable insights, and perspectives on symptoms, diagnosis, and treatment options for cancer.


  • Name: Emily T.
  • Diagnosis:
    • Cytogenetically Normal Acute Myeloid Leukemia (CN-AML)
  • Mutations:
    • NPM1
    • FLT3 wild-type
  • Initial Symptoms:
    • Nosebleeds
    • Fever
    • Chills
    • Small red spots all over the body
  • Treatment:
    • Chemotherapy
    • Bone marrow transplant
Emily T. timeline

This interview has been edited for clarity and length. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider to make informed treatment decisions.

The views and opinions expressed in this interview do not necessarily reflect those of The Patient Story.



Introduction

I was 32 when cancer happened. For most of my life, I’ve always been known as a fitness freak. I can’t even think of one hobby that doesn’t involve any sort of movement.

I’ve been in the health and fitness industry for almost 19 years, primarily coaching people in personal training and fitness, and, more interestingly, in pole dancing and aerial arts.

I was born in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, and moved to Tennessee at a young age. Since then, I have moved back to Asia and lived in Hong Kong, Dubai, and India. All of these places have taught me that it’s so easy to move to the next spot to see what’s next and say yes to everything because that’s life. You don’t say no to everything. You want to experience as much as you can.

There’s always a bit of a “too much” situation with most things and that eventually leads to burnout. At one point, I was living out of my suitcase for about two years for work and personal pursuits, wanting to say yes to every single project that came.

Now I live in a very quiet little town of Alicante, a bustling city in Spain.

Emily T.

I haven’t been able to eat proper food in three to four days. I only had soup and even then, I couldn’t keep it down.

Emily T.

Pre-diagnosis

Initial Symptoms

About three months before I planned to move to Spain for the first time, I started experiencing nosebleeds. I’ve always had nosebleeds throughout childhood but only when the temperature changes. I thought and was told that was normal. But this time, I had nosebleeds at the most random times, like in the middle of a squat or the minute I woke up.

Those were disturbing, but I chalked it up to traveling so much for work and not sleeping well. Typically in the past, when I didn’t sleep well, I tended to have jaw pain that would travel up the neck, which also included ringing in the ears. It becomes very hard to focus.

A few weeks before the diagnosis, I traveled for work from Australia to Hong Kong to pick up my stuff, to Dubai to pick up the rest of my stuff, and then eventually to Madrid, and then to Alicante. By the time I arrived in Alicante, I’d been on my third day of fever, which I thought was the travel and jetlag.

When I went to work the next day, I was told, “Hey, nice to see you! Are you okay?” People worried. “You don’t look as vibrant as you usually do. Are you okay?” My boss specifically said, “You don’t look okay. Are you sure you’re okay?” I brushed it off and said, “Nah, I’m good. Don’t worry. If I need to go to the hospital, I’ll let you know.”

Emily T.

The night before I went to the hospital, I noticed red dots all over my body, especially around my legs.

Emily T.

That night itself, I had an inclination that maybe something wasn’t okay. I haven’t been able to eat proper food in three to four days. I only had soup and even then, I couldn’t keep it down.

I was constantly shivering. I was shivering the whole way on the plane and the train ride. I was popping Advil almost every two hours. I noticed that every single time that I took Advil, it was becoming less and less effective. At the time, I didn’t know that I wasn’t supposed to be taking ibuprofen since it affects your blood count.

The night before I went to the hospital, I noticed red dots all over my body, especially around my legs. They weren’t itchy, but it looked like someone used a red pen and drew dots all over my body.

I went to a local clinic the next day and told the doctor my symptoms, but she didn’t say much. She gave me paracetamol in an IV and told me to go to the main hospital in the middle of the city. I didn’t think much of it because I thought that was protocol for a foreigner in Spain.

When I got to the main hospital, they immediately brought me a wheelchair and said I had to go to the emergency room. When I got there, no one told me anything. They kept jabbing me for test after test after test.

Emily T.

The team at the hospital in Alicante believed that I had leukemia.

Emily T.

Diagnosis

Getting the Official Diagnosis

I was in the ER with not much news. One doctor tried to explain in Spanish that they don’t typically do this because they were waiting for one of the blood results from a leukemia specialist hospital in Valencia. They’re waiting for that final confirmation. The team at the hospital in Alicante believed that I had leukemia.

The official diagnosis was cytogenetically normal AML (CN-AML) with NPM1 and FLT3 wild-type mutations. This essentially puts me at intermediate risk. It’s not low-risk where you can get away with less-intensive chemo, but it’s not high-risk where a bone marrow transplant might be mandated almost immediately.

With intermediate risk, it gave me a little more time to understand what a bone marrow transplant was and how to go about it because I didn’t know anything about bone marrow transplants.

It also gave me time to do consolidation rounds with ample rest time in between. In total, I had five rounds of chemotherapy before the bone marrow transplant and each of them was intensive and each of them was done inpatient.

They didn’t give me a stage. I asked the doctors in Spain and Hong Kong. When I was in Hong Kong, I repeatedly asked the doctor, “Can you tell me more about what all this means and tell me the stage?” He’s a leukemia specialist as well as specializing in AML.

He said, “Right now, we don’t have the test for your specific biomarkers to give you a specific stage,” and that was in 2018. I don’t know if there is new testing available now that could give someone with intermediate risk where exactly they are in stages. But for me, that information was not available at the time.

Emily T.

Deep down, I knew something was very wrong. Even with the language barrier, the way the doctor presented the diagnosis felt sincere and sympathetic.

Emily T.
Reaction to the Diagnosis

I don’t know how that might have sounded if I hadn’t gotten first-hand information from the doctor himself. My friend had to translate and he didn’t realize what leukemia was at the time he was translating. Hearing the news brought to you in that sense was underwhelming but quite profound.

My brain went into logistical mode. I immediately whipped out my phone to Google, “What’s leukemia and how do you recover from it?” When I found out it was blood cancer, my survival instinct said to shut down Google. Then the next day, I texted people to tell them that I wouldn’t be showing up for whatever commitment I had committed to and that was it.

Processing the Diagnosis

Deep down, I knew something was very wrong. Even with the language barrier, the way the doctor presented the diagnosis felt sincere and sympathetic. I was in the ER the whole day. They didn’t do one test and told me they thought it was leukemia.

Emily T.

My dad asked, ‘Can we have some time to look for another treatment? Do we need to jump into chemotherapy so quickly?’ The doctor said, ‘She doesn’t have time.’

Emily T.
Bone Marrow Aspiration

The next big test was bone marrow aspiration. For leukemia and specifically for acute myeloid leukemia, they needed to do a bone marrow aspiration to see how much of it was in my bone marrow. That test tells you how serious the situation is as well.

There are two ways to get your bone marrow out: from the hip and the chest. They chose the chest area where you could see everything. I remember lying down, thinking, Just don’t look. I kept my eyes open for as long as I could and kept it shut the rest of the time. That was probably one of the scariest procedures I had to undergo.

At the time, I didn’t know there was another option. I didn’t know that you could ask for the hip version if you’re not comfortable with the procedure being so close to your vital organs. I don’t even understand why that happens, but I guess it makes sense to always have an alternative just in case the other area is not accessible.

I wish I could have asked for the hip version where I didn’t feel like there was such a compression. Even today, I find myself breathing tightly and that might have been an aftermath and the reflex when you have such a forceful extraction from the chest area.

They gave a local numbing agent, which helped, especially when the first needle went in. It helps you feel less of it. But I do remember feeling a lot of pressure, especially when they started pumping out the marrow. If you dare open your eyes, you will see someone looming over you with a very aggressive type of movement. You’re not going to feel the aggression, but if they have trouble extracting the marrow, there will be some force.

Treatment

Discussing the Treatment Plan

The very next morning, they came in and said, “It’s confirmed. This is what’s going on. Given your condition right now, we have to start chemotherapy right away.” At that time, I was still on painkillers so I don’t remember exactly what I said.

Before I could verbalize anything, my dad jumped in and asked, “Can we have some time to look for another treatment? Do we need to jump into chemotherapy so quickly?” He has a bit of experience with this because his mom went through breast cancer in her 70s. For two years, he saw how it wore her down.

But you have to appreciate how pragmatic Spanish doctors are. I remember this verbatim as well. The doctor said, “She doesn’t have time. She will die,” and that was it. Discussion over.

Emily T.

All things considered, it was good that I had chemotherapy and even better that my body responded to chemotherapy.

Emily T.
Chemotherapy

I asked him about my prognosis. “What’s the next step after this first round of induction chemotherapy?” Induction chemotherapy is “7 + 3,” which is the one I was given. You’re on two different types of chemo. One is on a drip for seven days 24/7 and the other drug is on a drip for three days 24/7 and that’s your induction round. What they hope to do with this round is to induce you into remission, but it’s not considered complete remission from the disease. It has to be above a certain marker to qualify for the next round of chemotherapy.

They gave me three rounds because of the conditions that they said, “Considering your age and that you’re in a healthy weight range, we believe that you have a high chance of recovering from these intensive chemotherapies.” Hence why I was inpatient because they increased the dose on everything so I think the prognosis was positive.

It would have been a different story if my dad had argued and said, “Nope, I don’t believe in chemotherapy. Let’s go with another form of treatment.” I also developed pneumonia while I was in the hospital for the first round.

All things considered, it was good that I had chemotherapy and even better that my body responded to chemotherapy.

The induction chemotherapy included cytarabine. It was one of the drugs that was consistent in the induction round, the consolidation round, and the last round in preparation for transplant.

Cyclophosphamide was the one that was introduced right before the transplant. That was one of the more toxic ones but also one of the stronger ones.

There was also daunorubicin hydrochloride.

Side Effects of Chemotherapy

My side effects varied. During the first round of treatment, the induction chemo, I thought that was going to be as bad as it goes. There was nausea, but what was more prominent was gut pain. I couldn’t eat. I was put on an IV drip for seven days because I couldn’t eat literally and they had to give me nutrients.

Emily T.

I had skin reactions and somehow, I developed an allergic reaction to platelet transfusion

Emily T.

My bowel movement was very uncontrolled for about 20 days. It wasn’t until two days before leaving the hospital that I felt the side effects were finally under control.

I was in the hospital for three weeks for that first round of chemotherapy. I lost my hair. I had a lot of fever as well. Every time the fever happened, it was also accompanied by bad coughing, which explained the pneumonia.

I was given morphine for the gut pain because it was so painful that I couldn’t even function. Even when I had people visiting me, it was hard to talk. I was also given fever medication, antifungal medication, and antiviral medication. They did one scan to see how things were going in terms of the gut because it was so painful.

Throughout the consolidation rounds, the side effects weren’t as bad. My platelets dropped. I had fevers, but they weren’t as intense.

The worst side effects I had were skin-related. I had skin reactions and somehow, I developed an allergic reaction to platelet transfusion, which is ironic because that’s something I needed throughout my treatment. To counter that, they had to give me an antihistamine right before a platelet transfusion to mitigate that reaction.

Managing the Side Effects

The chemo before the bone marrow transplant was the most intense. That was when I started to second-guess myself. But during the first round of chemotherapy, what helped me was a sense of acceptance: to sit there and trust that my family and my friends have my best interests at heart, in how they communicate with the doctors, with the medical team, and also asking questions on my behalf.

In the first round, that’s when you’re very dazed, especially when you just heard your diagnosis two days ago before you started chemotherapy. In that situation, open yourself up to someone that you can trust. It was the moment when I felt like I could surrender to whatever higher power there was as well as conventional medicine. That was when I felt my parasympathetic nervous system start to settle a little.

If I’m in fight or flight mode, I don’t think my body biologically would have the ability to handle the side effects. My sense of touch was very strong. My mom was there. She gave me hand and foot massages. She gave hugs. All of those are the type of medicine that people don’t value. I realized how much power we can open ourselves to if we take a step back.

Emily T.

The chemotherapy before my bone marrow transplant was the hardest. The pain was the most intense. The fevers were relentless.

Emily T.

The steps that I took throughout the consolidation round were very helpful. I used the hospital grounds as my exercise place. I was taking walks around the nurses’ station. With every step that you take moving forward, you can feel yourself taking ownership and taking an active role in your recovery. Even if it’s five minutes of walking, even if it’s two minutes of walking, it’s something. It’s a physical representation of you taking action for what you can’t control, but you can still try and it still counts.

I leaped into my hobby of martial arts by watching martial arts movies, martial arts tutorials, and TV shows. I don’t have a martial arts background, but I enjoyed Thai boxing and jiu-jitsu as an adult. I can see how it’s not about the physical strength, but the mental agility that you have to exercise when you have to make decisions in the ring or on the mat.

Those don’t apply to everybody, but there are still some things that we can take from them. We can practice resilience in everyday tasks, like when you’re taking pills that you don’t want to take, but you’re taking them because you know that it’s going to help you. In a way, that’s a tiny practice in resilience.

The perspective exercise is to also see every little thing as, “How can I see this differently? By seeing it differently, I can do something differently. By doing something differently, I might get a different result.”

The chemotherapy before my bone marrow transplant was the hardest. The pain was the most intense. The fevers were relentless. I went into anaphylactic shock once during a platelet transfusion, but, luckily, I rang the call bell and everything was sorted.

I had a splitting headache and I got worried that it was a hemorrhage. Luckily, it wasn’t, but it was very important to articulate the sensation of how it occured. I timed it as well in terms of when it happened and how long it usually happened. This is important information to give to our medical team.

That’s what I mean by seeing things differently, being able to see everything that occurs. This is something that I can track. How can I build this case for my doctor to help me the best way they can?

Emily T.

I didn’t realize how difficult it was to get a donor. It’s complicated in the sense that your heritage matters.

Emily T.

Moving From Spain to Hong Kong

After the induction chemo in Spain, they gave me the green light to go back to Hong Kong. I told them, “I would love to continue here, but I don’t think the language barrier would serve me any good nor help you guys do a good job,” so I went back to Hong Kong.

I did all my consolidation rounds in Hong Kong as well as the bone marrow transplant. Luckily for me, Hong Kong had one of the most respected and prestigious transplant centers in Asia. It’s like everything was aligned.

I sought additional medical opinions outside of Hong Kong. I asked Australia, Canada, the UK, and Germany. The consensus was, “You are good where you are right now. Hong Kong has a very good system. They have a specialty specifically for bone marrow transplants there. They don’t even share that ward with anything else, specifically just for that. You are in a good place.” That was very comforting to know.

Bone Marrow Transplant

When they said that I needed a bone marrow transplant, I thought that it was going to be simple. I didn’t realize how difficult it was to get a donor. It’s complicated in the sense that your heritage matters.

The conversation of bone marrow donation is only very popular in first-world countries or mainly English-speaking countries so unless you have Caucasian genes, you have lesser chances of finding a bone marrow donor match all around the world.

This image was originally published in ASH Image Bank. Peter Maslak. Normal Bone Marrow Aspirate – 1. ASH Image Bank. 2005; 00003158. © the American Society of Hematology.

I was contacted by Be The Match as well as the Gift of Life Marrow Registry to see how they can help… Because of their reach, you have a higher chance of finding a donor.

Emily T.
Finding a Bone Marrow Donor

When I took my information to compare with my brothers, none of them were a match. Your siblings have the highest chance of being a match. They opened it up to Hong Kong and no one was a match. It was only when they opened it up internationally that increased my chances of finding a donor.

I was contacted by Be The Match as well as the Gift of Life Marrow Registry to see how they can help. I appreciate that these organizations are in place. Because of their reach, you have a higher chance of finding a donor, perhaps through one of their bone marrow donor drives.

Additionally, being a local in your area will play a big difference. My friends in Malaysia did a bone marrow donor drive at the pole dancing studio. My friends in Hong Kong did a bone marrow donor drive through a deadlifting fundraiser.

When it comes to the bone marrow donor, I didn’t realize that I had to pay a deposit for a search. I thought that was covered and you don’t have to pay for it, but I guess every country is different. At the time, I had to put down about HK$ 60,000 as a deposit to get the search going as well as cover the initial stages of getting a donor.

Emily T.
Emily T.

Once they have your information, they will put it in their system to see if anyone in their registry is a match. If they find a match, the registry will contact the donor to see if they’re still willing to donate and if they’re able to donate. If they’re pregnant, develop a disease, or age, these factors disqualify them from being able to donate. There are a lot of procedures before they even tell you that you finally have a confirmed donor.

The donor registry in Hong Kong did all of it. They got the news that they found a donor. The donor lives in China. Luckily for me, I was in Hong Kong at the time. China had a rule that they weren’t donating bone marrow anywhere outside of their territories except for Macau and Hong Kong. If I stayed in Spain, I probably wouldn’t have had the chance to receive that donation.

I don’t know if they changed their rules yet, but if they haven’t, that’s what you need to know. If you are of Chinese heritage and you can’t find a donor anywhere else, you need to be in a place where you can receive a donor from one of the biggest Chinese populations in the world.

Everything went well. I received the marrow. I remember specifically it felt like something glittery was coursing through the veins of my body.

Getting the Bone Marrow Transplant

That was probably my longest stay in the isolation ward. To optimize your chances of survival, they do everything in their ability so you don’t get a second disease while you’re in isolation at your most vulnerable.

There was a slight anxiety when I asked the doctor, “When exactly is the donation going to be? When is the marrow going to be extracted? When are they going to be on the way here? How long will they be kept until it’s time to be in my body?”

Emily T.

He said, “They will extract a few days before you are meant to receive the marrow.” I did the calculation in my head. I would be on day four of very intensive chemo, in which you made me sign a waiver that I might die from the chemo. If the donor changes his mind or something happens on the way, I might not receive the stem cells. The Chinese doctors said, “We try not to think about that. Let’s not talk about that.”

But to be fair, these are very important things to know. I’m the type of patient who the more you tell me, the more calm and collected I can be. When I don’t have the probabilities, my overthinking brain takes over and that’s not good for any recovering patient. In this case, knowledge is powerful.

Everything went well. I received the marrow. I remember specifically it felt like something glittery was coursing through the veins of my body. It wasn’t scary. It felt like a blood transfusion and that’s what it looks like. It goes through your port. It’s not painful.

As a precaution, they injected me with antihistamines and steroids because it’s possible to have an allergic reaction to some degree.

The graft versus host disease (GvHD) signs for me appeared earlier than what’s seen because typically, you only see signs after the two-week mark.

Side Effects of Bone Marrow Transplant

After the transplant itself, it’s expected that you will have side effects. The question is to what degree and how many of those side effects will require hospitalization or not. Most of my acute side effects happened while I was still in the hospital so they were able to counter many things.

I had a massive skin reaction. According to the doctor, the graft versus host disease (GvHD) signs for me appeared earlier than what’s seen because typically, you only see signs after the two-week mark. They saw signs within less than 10 days and it started with my skin then fevers and then mouth pain and headaches.

The skin was probably one of the hardest aspects as well because it was itchy. I had hives everywhere, including my face. It can be hard to look at yourself and even receive visitors during that time. If you’re a caregiver or want to visit someone, it’s not a bad idea to check in and respect that there are times when a patient doesn’t want to see anyone.

Emily T.
Emily T.

They gave me steroid creams as much as they could, but it was up to me to apply them diligently, especially when the weather was cold or hot. I kept asking for stronger medication, but the doctor said, “I can’t give you anything stronger right now because I’m waiting for the worst side effects to happen before I give you the stronger medication.” They were holding out on me for my good.

The gut pain this time was more intense. I was timing them as well to give the doctor an idea of what the pain was like and how frequently they were happening. Every patient is different. Sometimes we have to remind the doctors of that as well.

One of the common GvHD signs is the lungs are affected in some way. For me, it was the smaller airways at the bottom of my lungs. They’re not functioning anymore. They kind of have a blockage. I’ll be lying down sleeping and then I’ll start coughing all of a sudden because I need to get more air in.

The intensive chemotherapy I endured launched me into early-onset menopause… In my case, it’s chemo-induced and GvHD-related.

The more chronic GvHD signs that I’ve been living with until today are ulcers around the mouth. I had to change the food that I eat in terms of texture so no more potato chips because they’re too crunchy and stab my mouth. No more spicy food. Thankfully, I’m not a girl who loves spice anyway. There are certain seasonings that if they’re acidic, then I might get a nasty reaction as well.

Those are minor lifestyle tweaks. I’m happy to survive. If you talk to my current doctor in the hospital in Valencia, he will say, “Your quality of life is currently being affected. You’re not eating the foods that you like. Your sex life is very likely also affected. You can’t exercise as much as you can because of your lungs.”

But for me, part of the healing journey is also learning how to stop gaslighting myself. When it comes to disease management and having a background in health and fitness, it’s very common to hear people gaslighting themselves. “It’s fine, I can tweak it,” “It’s fine, I can do that,” or, “It might be this, it might not be that.”

One of the glands in my eyes is not functioning as well as it can so it causes very dry eyes. If you don’t manage it through medicated eye drops, regular checkups, and other practices, it can lead to worse eyesight conditions and ocular health.

Emily T.
Emily T.

Early-Onset Menopause

Part of the GvHD signs also include vaginal dryness, causing the capillaries in the lining of the wall to thin so during intercourse, pain and bleeding can happen. The intensive chemotherapy I endured launched me into early-onset menopause so that also played a big part in vaginal dryness. In my case, it’s chemo-induced and GvHD-related so it’s helpful to understand the options when it comes to hormone replacement therapy and not taking one doctor’s word for it.

Doctors in different regions are exposed to different types of studies and different types of statistics. In Hong Kong, when he found out that I had breast cancer in the family, he said, “Let’s not do hormone replacement therapy. Let’s wait it out. Even though you’re menopause right now, wait it out.”

But in Spain, when I went to a gynecologist, he said, “I would have put you on hormone replacement therapy seven years ago when your period stopped.” I took one doctor’s word for it. It’s always good to have a second or even a third opinion, preferably from different regions.

In the first two years after the transplant, I was not in the mindset for physical intimacy. It had a big impact on my relationship.

Follow-up Protocol

Before the transplant, they did a bone marrow aspiration to see where things were. Right before I was cleared to leave the hospital, they did another bone marrow aspiration to see where things were. But after that, based on my blood work, the doctor didn’t see a need for any more bone marrow aspirations or biopsy. The blood work was a roller coaster, but not to the point where there’s a red flag so that’s a plus.

The other scans that they did were around the lung area. I do a pulmonary function test every six months. That gives the doctor an idea to see if the GvHD is being controlled or advancing.

I’m in my fifth year after the transplant. I’m still here. Regular checkups are not at a fixed interval. It’s whenever the medical system can give me an appointment, which is around every 3 to 6 months.

The first 100 days after the transplant, is when they monitor the closest. I had to go to the hospital once a week then once every two weeks, once every three weeks, once every four weeks, and then it was stretched out from there.

In my case, I still had to go in to get medication intravenously. The doctor said, “You need to live with someone. You can’t live by yourself right now. If you pass out, if anything happens with your port, you need to be able to call for help.” That’s also important to recognize.

Emily T.
Emily T.

Design your home in a way that’s going to be conducive to healing and recovery. That was the first time I started yoga. I have a bit of yoga experience now.

In the first two years after the transplant, I was not in the mindset for physical intimacy. It had a big impact on my relationship. We’re no longer together, but he didn’t stop showing up as a supportive partner so props and kudos to him. He didn’t leave me in that sense.

I had to go through a stage where I had to learn what it meant. I don’t know if it was their training or culture, but whenever I asked questions about our sexual health, I wasn’t given a very open response. It was only in Spain that I had a doctor who initiated that question. “Tell me about your sex life. How are you doing right now? How is your sex? How is your health?” That prompted me to share.

As cancer patients, we have this ideal image of ringing the bell and being cancer-free. That’s our finish line, that’s the glory, but it’s not the case for everyone.

Words of Advice

What I learned in this journey is that you can go to all the specialists, experts, and trainers as much as you want. Go to a therapist, go to a counselor, find a coach, whatever it is. It comes down to you. Extrapolate the feedback that you get and come to your own conclusion on how healing will be for you. It doesn’t come down to a doctor telling you, “You are now cancer-free.”

My doctor said that he could not give me those words because there were no tests that could give me that guarantee. “I can tell you that you’re responding very well, but I can’t tell you that you’re cancer-free.”

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Emily T.

Hearing that made me realize that as cancer patients, we have this ideal image of ringing the bell and being cancer-free. That’s our finish line, that’s the glory, but it’s not the case for everyone. It wouldn’t be fair to impose that on everyone.

You can take power back by deciding what you choose to do. If you want to see a therapist, see one. I saw three. If you want to talk to coaches, find one. I have plenty of coaches even until today. It doesn’t make you a weaker person. It doesn’t make you a weaker personality. It actually makes you brave.


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Laura’s IgG kappa Multiple Myeloma Story

Laura’s IgG kappa Multiple Myeloma Story

Interviewed by: Stephanie Chuang
Edited by: Katrina Villareal

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Laura, who was diagnosed with multiple myeloma in her late 60s, reflects on her experiences. As a former lawyer, she shares her journey from the shock of the diagnosis in 2012 to her various treatments, including participation in clinical trials.

She highlights the importance of having a supportive and knowledgeable doctor. She delves into the complexities of different treatments, including CAR T-cell therapy and bispecific antibodies.

Laura also discusses the challenges and adjustments in her life due to the diagnosis, the impact on her husband as a caregiver, and the importance of staying connected with the myeloma community. In this interview, Laura emphasizes the significance of having new treatment options and the support of a reputable medical facility.

In addition to Laura’s narrative, The Patient Story offers a diverse collection of multiple myeloma stories. These empowering stories provide real-life experiences, valuable insights, and perspectives on symptoms, diagnosis, and treatment options for cancer.


  • Name: Laura E.
  • Diagnosis:
    • Multiple myeloma, IgG kappa
  • Symptom:
    • Increasing back pain
  • Treatments:
    • VRd (Velcade, Revlimid, Dexamethasone) (August 2012)
    • Zometa (for bones)
    • Stem cell transplant (March 2013)
    • CyBorD (Cytoxan, Velcade, Dexamethasone)
    • Cleave study (didn’t last long)
    • Carfilzomib & panobinostat
    • CD47 study
    • Dara-Rd  (Daratumumab, Revlimid, Dexamethasone)
    • VenVd (Venetoclax, Velcade, Dexamethasone)
    • PCd (Pomalyst, Cytoxan, Dexamethasone)
    • Pomalyst, Bendamustine, Dexamethasone
    • Bendamustine, Dexamethasone
    • CAR-T trial BB2121 (October 2018)
    • Pomalyst, Daratumumab, Dexamethasone
    • CAR-T trial with GSI (Summer 2019)
    • Pomalyst, Keytruda
    • Cytoxan, Dexamethasone
    • Teclistamab trial with Daratumumab (2020)
    • Talquetamab trial with Daratumumab (2021)
    • Selinexor and Carfilzomib
Laura E.

This interview has been edited for clarity and length. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider to make informed treatment decisions.

The views and opinions expressed in this interview do not necessarily reflect those of The Patient Story.



Introduction

I’m getting up there in years. I can’t believe I’m this old, but here I am, almost 78, and have had a pretty full life.

I was a lawyer. I have a son that I adopted as a single parent and then I got married. 

I lost my first husband to cancer. We think it was stomach and liver cancer, but by the time it was discovered, it wasn’t entirely clear.

My second husband was somebody I’ve known since I was 15. We have a wonderful relationship and he’s been a wonderful companion in this journey with multiple myeloma. We lost touch for some years and we had some good friends who, at some point, decided that we should get together. They plotted to get us together and it worked.

My primary care physician said, ‘You have multiple myeloma and it’s treatable. I have patients who’ve lived for 10 and 20 years with this disease.’ I felt a lot better.

Diagnosis

Getting the Diagnosis

I was diagnosed in 2012.

The attending doctor at the emergency room wanted to give me a prescription for physical therapy and send me home. I said no. It wasn’t fair to the physical therapist to have to figure out what the problem was. She left the room and sent a younger doctor in after a while.

The younger doctor said I had two choices. One was the option I’d already refused and the other was to have a CT scan so I thought I’d have that one.

Meanwhile, the shift changed. The next attending physician came in and told me I had cancer. This was in the emergency room in the middle of the night. I went home with my husband and left a message for my primary care physician.

After a long day of seeing patients, he called me at about 8 o’clock in the evening. He said, “You have multiple myeloma and it’s treatable. I have patients who’ve lived for 10 and 20 years with this disease.” I felt a lot better. It didn’t relieve all of the bad feelings about having a cancer diagnosis, but it certainly made me feel better than what the first doctor had said.

When my primary care physician told me that it was treatable, it made a difference in how I felt about it.

Reaction to the Diagnosis

Even though I’d had some experience with cancer before, it still came as a terrible shock when I was told I had it. I wanted to press the reset button and have this not happen, but that’s not possible.

We were both devastated. I’d never even heard of this disease. My husband had, oddly enough. His father had had it so he knew a little about it.

I’m still doing okay. I keep having new treatments. They only last for a fairly short time with me. If it’s a good treatment, it lasts a year or less. If it’s not such a good treatment, it might not even last that long.

When my primary care physician told me that it was treatable, it made a difference in how I felt about it. It wasn’t nearly as scary. I accepted what he said and felt a lot better.

When you’ve had as many treatments as I’ve had, sometimes you come to a point where it’s difficult to know what the next step is.

Seeing a Myeloma Specialist

Because my husband knew about this disease, he met Dr. Durie at the International Myeloma Foundation and asked, “Who should we get to treat Laura?” He gave us Dr. Martin’s name so we managed to get in to see him and he took me as a patient. He wasn’t nearly as famous in 2012 as he is today. He’s been my doctor all along and I’m really glad.

I feel like he’s done right by me. When you’ve had as many treatments as I’ve had, sometimes you come to a point where it’s difficult to know what the next step is. He always has my best interest in mind. He knows a lot. He’s a really good doctor.

Once when I needed a new treatment, he told me that he had nothing to offer me so he helped me get on waiting lists at three other hospitals. When one of them came through, he encouraged me to take it and I did. He had my interest at heart.

Treatment

I started my first treatment in August 2012. They call it VRd. It’s a pretty common first treatment. They’re starting to change the usual first treatment, but for a long time, that was the first treatment almost everyone got. Unless you had a terrible reaction to one of the treatment drugs, you had VELCADE, REVLIMID, and dexamethasone, and that went on for several months.

I didn’t know much about clinical trials until I got involved.

Joining Myeloma Clinical Trials

I’m not sure exactly how many treatments I’ve had because there have been some changes that may or may not have been a separate treatment. I think I’ve had about 16 different treatments, 12 of which were clinical trials.

There were a couple of clinical trials near the beginning of my treatment that only lasted a month or two. He took me off them because they weren’t benefiting me.

I didn’t know much about clinical trials until I got involved. I know there are some misconceptions that a lot of people have, especially whether you’re going to get the study drug. In phase 1 and phase 2 trials, you get the study drug. I’ve only had phase 1 and phase 2 trials so I know I’m getting the drug that’s been described to me.

On more than one occasion, when it came time that I needed another treatment because the one I had been taking had stopped working, Dr. Martin would explain to me what the options were.

We’d have a meeting where he’d explain to me the possibilities. Typically, if I didn’t already have a pretty good idea of what I wanted, I would ask him which one he preferred for me. He’d tell me which one he thought was best and I’d usually go with his recommendation. He wouldn’t insist on it. He would only tell me his preference when I asked him.

It’s good to be near where you can not only get help but that has all of my records and access to the information that a doctor would need to deal with whatever the problem is.

Factors to Consider When Deciding to Join a Clinical Trial

Efficacy is, of course, very important. Sometimes side effects affect my preference but not often. I don’t even know how those side effects are going to feel until I experience them.

One of my other health issues is gastrointestinal issues so if a treatment is going to affect my GI, I would want to know about it and evaluate how that affects my choice. It won’t necessarily prevent me from entering into that trial, but it’ll be a consideration.

I’ve only traveled once and that was when Dr. Martin didn’t have an option for me. I prefer to stay at UCSF for several reasons, one of which is that if I have side effects, that can be addressed right away.

Side effects can be relatively minor or they can be major. There have been occasions when my husband puts me in the car late at night and takes me to the emergency room. It’s good to be near where you can not only get help but that has all of my records and access to the information that a doctor would need to deal with whatever the problem is. That’s important.

When I did go to another hospital, it was in Seattle and now my Seattle records are connected to my UCSF records. I have a doctor in Seattle, too. I don’t see him anymore, but that connection is very important. Being someplace where they know enough to know what to do is key.

You want to know about the experience of other people who’ve been in this clinical trial.

Extra Considerations in Traveling for a Clinical Trial

Seattle makes it easy for you. At the time, it was called the Seattle Cancer Care Alliance. The same place is now called Fred Hutchinson. They arrange housing for you and they have a shuttle that takes you to the clinic and the store.

I went there alone and didn’t think I needed a caregiver right away. One day, they told me that I needed a caregiver for a particular test that I had to undergo. I was living with other myeloma and cancer patients. They didn’t have anything to do except go to the clinic so there were lots of people who volunteered to help me that particular day.

Eventually, my husband had to come. I spent two and a half months in Seattle for this. He was there for maybe two months, I’m not sure exactly.

Clinical Trial Paperwork

They always send you a copy of the paperwork before you decide to join the clinical trial so you have a chance to look it over. I know that some people might find it daunting, but one of the things they have in that consent form is a list of the possible side effects. You can read all about it and ask questions before you sign.

I know where to look for all this so I go straight to it and ask questions. It’s easy to understand. It’s surrounded by a lot of other words, but if you find the possible side effects, that’s what you want to look at and ask questions about.

You want to know about the experience of other people who’ve been in this clinical trial. In Seattle, they told me that one of the participants had died so I wanted to know about her health. After they explained it all to me, I decided that I was considerably healthier than the patient who had died and it was going to be okay.

Expenses Related to Clinical Trials

My insurance paid for just about everything that the trial didn’t pay for. The sponsor will pay for anything new. Your insurance will pay for other things that have to be done anyway.

The most expensive was travel to Seattle and housing in Seattle. I had to pay for that.

My first CAR T didn’t work so well for me and we’re not entirely sure why.

CAR T-cell Therapy

I joined a CAR T trial in 2019.

The great thing about CAR T is if it works for you, it’s one and done. Once you’ve had the treatment, you don’t need treatment again for a while.

Like a lot of us, the treatment doesn’t last forever. It lasts for a while and you don’t have to keep coming back for additional infusions or anything like that. If it works, it’s great.

My first CAR T didn’t work so well for me and we’re not entirely sure why. It brought my numbers down, but not enough so I still needed treatment.

One theory is that I’d had bendamustine before, which might have made it difficult for the CAR T to work, but I don’t think anybody knows if that’s the answer.

Like a lot of us, the treatment doesn’t last forever.

Preparing for CAR T-cell Therapy

They take the T cells out of your body by running your blood through this contraption, which has a centrifuge that can separate the T cells from your blood and give the rest of it back to you. To do that, they put this giant thing in your neck to get the blood out and that’s just annoying, but it’s not terrible.

They put the re-engineered T cells back into you and look for the side effects. Neurotoxicity and CRS, which means cytokine release syndrome.

I had a very strong reaction to my second CAR T. I had a day when I was completely out of it. They tell me I couldn’t answer simple questions like, “What’s your name?” I don’t remember a thing from that day. All of my organs were affected. They were afraid that I’d had a heart attack, but I didn’t. It was a very strong reaction.

It worked. I’m not sure how long for exactly, but it was about a year.

I cope with this kind of uncertainty reasonably well. Not everybody does, I suppose.

Comparing CAR T-cell Therapy to Other Myeloma Treatment Options

CAR T is over so quickly compared to the others.

I did have a problem that showed up right after the treatment. I got parvovirus, which doesn’t affect most people, but it caused me to need IVIG. That takes care of the problem, but it complicates our ability to measure how well I’m doing.

If you put a lot of IgG into my body, it looks like there’s more cancer, but there isn’t. It’s not cancer. It took a little longer to figure out that it worked as well as it did, but it did work.

Dealing with the Wait

I cope with this kind of uncertainty reasonably well. Not everybody does, I suppose. For example, I think this is harder on my husband than it is on me sometimes because he has a completely different personality.

I’m optimistic and I believe that Dr. Martin is doing something that’s going to work for me. Now, my husband believes that Dr. Martin is doing right by me, too, but he’s naturally not as optimistic.

Like most patients, I get checked regularly so it’s not a big surprise when a treatment stops working. When my M protein reaches 1.0, it looks like another treatment is under consideration. We start thinking about it even before we reach that point.

Bispecifics are a very good choice, especially if you can get them at your home medical center.

Bispecific Antibodies

I’ve been on two of them so far.

He described all the options that were available at that point. He first recommended teclistamab. The second one was talquetamab, which hasn’t been approved yet.

Teclistamab was a good treatment, but I don’t remember the specifics. I think I was on teclistamab for the better part of a year.

I remember talquetamab better because it was problematic. Some of the side effects of talquetamab were annoying. The target molecule was something that was not just on myeloma cells but also on fingernails, toenails, and the tongue. Some people lose their fingernails altogether and food doesn’t taste the same. That was pretty annoying.

Bispecifics are a very good choice, especially if you can get them at your home medical center. Some new ones are coming out that I haven’t tried yet.

It didn’t affect everybody the same way, but I couldn’t stand eating blueberries and pears.

Side Effects of Bispecific Antibodies

The fingernails weren’t so terrible. The palms of my hands and the bottom of my feet also got a little red and peeling, but that’s not so terrible. I only lost a part of my fingernails and toenails. But the taste buds affected my everyday life because there were things that didn’t taste right.

It didn’t affect everybody the same way, but I couldn’t stand eating blueberries and pears. They tasted salty to me. I didn’t like anything spicy because it was very harsh to me. It affected what I would be willing to eat and eating is an important part of your life.

It was very unpleasant and I didn’t like it, but it didn’t cause me to stop treatment. I persisted, but I was annoyed all the time. Other people had different changes to their taste buds. Some people liked having hot foods and wanted them all the time.

It still caused a lot of nausea and throwing up so I had to stop because I was losing a lot of weight.

Selinexor & Carfilzomib

I was on it for about two months.

Selinexor also had a negative effect on my taste buds. I was given prescriptions for several anti-nausea drugs, but it still caused a lot of nausea and throwing up so I had to stop because I was losing a lot of weight. Not only was the food not tasting very good, but I couldn’t keep it down. But it kept my numbers down for a long time, even though I stopped taking it.

Dr. Martin and the nurse practitioner knew. I would come in regularly and one of the things they always do is weigh me and it was obvious. My weight was going down. At some point, Dr. Martin and I came to the conclusion about the same time that I really shouldn’t be taking selinexor anymore so he took me off.

It’s a nice holiday. I know it’s not going to last and that’s okay.

Treatment Holiday

My numbers have stayed down for so long even without treatment. At first, he only took me off selinexor. I was taking another drug with it at the same time and he took me off that, too.

I haven’t had treatment since November 2022, but I’m going to need treatment again soon. My antibodies are good so I don’t feel like I’m in danger every time I walk out the door. It’s been fine.

It’s a nice holiday. I know it’s not going to last and that’s okay. But it’s a nice thing to be able to do and to be able to do it at a time when I’m not too worried about COVID because my antibodies are good. I don’t want to get it. I’ve had it once, but I feel like I can enjoy a holiday.

I feel some freedom that I didn’t have for a while. Getting myeloma treatments usually means that there’ll be a problem with antibodies again, a problem with white cells. I’ll have to be more careful.

The diagnosis didn’t change my life nearly as much as the pandemic… The worst part is I don’t get to see my grandchildren much.

Living Life with Myeloma

A lot of people have given up masks and I’m not talking about myeloma patients. They think it’s a little odd when people continue to use them. I do what I need to do, but I feel a lot freer walking around without one nowadays. I know when I start treatment again, I’ll have to be careful again. That’s okay.

I’m satisfied with how my life is going. I’ve come to know some people in this journey that I like very much and it’s a very important part of my life now. I do other things. I have a nonprofit that I do a bunch of things with. Most of the meetings that I go to, I do on Zoom. Hardly anybody ever sees me in person, but occasionally they do.

I have a lot of friends in this community. People I meet when we have a support group meeting are people I keep up with. We might not go out to dinner together, but I feel like I know them and care about them. They’re people I’ve gotten to know and care about. We happen to have the same disease, but what’s important is that we met.

The diagnosis didn’t change my life nearly as much as the pandemic. My husband and I did some traveling. I wasn’t working full-time anyway. I moved from Virginia to California so I wasn’t practicing law. I was doing some arbitrations and I still do.

After the pandemic set in in early 2020, I couldn’t travel and that’s made more difference than having myeloma. Or having myeloma alone anyway.

I don’t think I’ve changed too much. The lawyer you meet today isn’t that much different from the lawyer who existed before. I have this disease and it limits me. The pandemic limits me, but I still get up every morning and do things that I like to do so that’s good.

The worst part is I don’t get to see my grandchildren much. My grandson, who was 13 last summer, visited me all by himself. He was great. He followed my instructions, got a COVID test, and wore glasses and a mask on the plane. He wanted to make the trip and had a good time. His little sister was extremely jealous, but she was too little to make the trip by herself. That will have to wait for a while.

Sometimes I think it’s harder for the caregiver than it is for the patient.

Husband as Caregiver

He has been such a loyal caregiver. Recent changes have been more important in a way because it’s been such a long, hard journey for him.  More than half of our marriage has been consumed with multiple myeloma and it’s affected his life at least as much as mine.

Sometimes I think it’s harder for the caregiver than it is for the patient. In our situation, I’m the one who makes decisions about my care. I listen to my husband because he comes with me most of the time. He has opinions, too, but I get to make the decision and he doesn’t. That’s much harder on him and I understand that.

It’s also coming at a time when we’re losing friends. This has happened to him more than it has to me. A lot of his friends have died these past 10 years and it becomes lonelier and lonelier when you don’t have your friends around. He still has some who are still living, but it’s making his life harder.

Having a wife with this terrible disease doesn’t help because I can’t help him with some of these things. We need to acknowledge that. Everybody works out these issues their way, I think.

Importance of Having New Treatment Options

I’ve had most treatments so I can run out of options. I don’t think I’ll run out of options completely, but it’s a little worrisome. I want UCSF to stay ahead of what I need.

If I have to, I could go somewhere else. It’s not my preference because I think it’s much better to be able to stay in my home medical facility.


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Jason’s Stage 3B Colon Cancer Story

Jason’s Stage 3B Colon Cancer Story

Interviewed by: Alexis Moberger
Edited by: Katrina Villareal

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Jason was diagnosed with stage 3B colon cancer at 36. He first experienced minor abdominal pain and blood in his stool. His concern grew after repeatedly encountering colon cancer in online searches.

No abnormalities were detected after a visit with his general physician. Despite reassurances that colon cancer is unlikely in a healthy 36-year-old, he pushes for a colonoscopy referral.

Because of pandemic delays, his anxiety grew, leading him to seek emergency room evaluation. A CT scan revealed a mass in his colon and enlarged lymph nodes while a subsequent colonoscopy confirmed the presence of a tumor. Pathology results indicated the presence of cancer cells in some lymph nodes.

Jason reflects on the shock of the diagnosis, the emotional impact, and the difficulty in breaking the news to family and friends. Throughout his journey, he learned the importance of actively participating in one’s health care, advocating for oneself, and seeking support from organizations and communities. He also highlights the impact of a cancer diagnosis on caregivers and the need for a strong support system.

In addition to Jason’s narrative, The Patient Story offers a diverse collection of colorectal cancer stories. These empowering stories provide real-life experiences, valuable insights, and perspectives on symptoms, diagnosis, and treatment options for cancer.


  • Name: Jason A.
  • Diagnosis:
    • Colon cancer
  • Staging:
    • 3B
  • Symptoms:
    • Abdominal pressure
    • Fatigue
    • Small amounts of blood in stool
  • Treatments:
    • Surgery: colon resection
    • Chemotherapy: FOLFOX (folinic acid, fluorouracil, and oxaliplatin)
Jason A.
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This interview has been edited for clarity and length. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider to make informed treatment decisions.

The views and opinions expressed in this interview do not necessarily reflect those of The Patient Story.



Introduction

I live in Ottawa, Canada, with my wife Leslie, our three-year-old daughter Kira, and our dog Sage.

I love the outdoors. I’m a big runner. Over the last few years, a big passion of mine has been doing a lot of advocacy work and peer support in the cancer world.

Jason A.

It was the blood in the stool that got me thinking there was something more going on.

Jason A.

Pre-diagnosis

Initial Symptoms

My story started when I was 36. I was a healthy, active, very typical 36-year-old adult. I was in the prime of my life. I was happily married and work was going well.

I started getting very minor abdominal cramps and pains that I’d never really felt before. I thought it was stress, something I ate, or a pulled muscle. I didn’t think anything of it.

Then I started to have a little bit of blood in my stool. It was very, very minor. It could have very easily been passed off for hemorrhoids, an inflammation in the intestine, or an infection in my GI tract.

But when I was searching “abdominal cramps, blood in the stool” on Google, colon cancer kept coming up. It wasn’t on my radar, to be honest, but the fact that it was there got me thinking about it. I got concerned when that started popping up over and over again.

Seeing a General Physician

In September 2020, I went to see my GP. I don’t think my early symptoms were what you often hear. I wasn’t in debilitating pain or needed emergency surgery.

My doctors even said they didn’t necessarily know if that had anything to do with the colon cancer because it was so mild. It was more like a nuisance. It was a little bit of pressure here and there, the odd spasm-like sensation. It came and went. There was nothing persistent. There was nothing that affected me dramatically. It wasn’t something that concerned me. It was the blood in the stool that got me thinking there was something more going on.

Jason A.
Jason A.

My tumor was quite small. It was only about 2 x 3.5 cm. Because of the size and where it was, which was in my sigmoid colon, my doctors don’t believe that a lot of that pain even had anything to do with that. At the time of my diagnosis, I had a very physical job. I was running and working out all the time so it could have been anything.

My GP is awesome. We have a great rapport. She has my back and has always taken good care of me. The day I went in, it was clinic day and they had residents working with the doctors. I got to meet one of her residents who was probably around the same age as I was.

He did everything I was expecting. He asked all the questions. “How long have you had the symptoms?” “Are they impacting bowel movements?” “Are you eating?”

Because of the blood, he did a digital rectal exam, but he didn’t feel anything nor was there anything odd so he left it as potentially an infection. It could be an inflammation from a hundred different things. Hemorrhoids and stress came up, the typical stuff you hear when you have things going on in your stomach. But I pushed back a little bit because I was concerned that I kept seeing colon cancer come up every time I searched on Google.

Part of the visit I always try to highlight was him looking right at me and saying, “Mr. Abramovich, you’re 36. You’re healthy. This is not cancer.” At the time, that was reassuring. When he said that, it was a huge weight off.

I still saw my actual GP afterward and she was honest. She did say that it’s very unlikely. She didn’t dismiss my concerns, but it was unlikely that a healthy 36-year-old adult had colon cancer and that was a fair assessment.

However, she’s quite diligent. She asked if I wanted to have a referral for a colonoscopy and I said, “Absolutely. That’s what I was hoping to get out of the appointment.” I hope the resident that I saw found out what happened. It happened right in front of him. He sat with a healthy, 36-year-old male and said, “It doesn’t happen to young adults.”

The scary thing was how many other patients he could’ve said something like that to. This was a brand new doctor who still thought that young adults couldn’t get this disease. It’s disheartening that it hasn’t hit home yet in medical school that it could happen to anybody.

Jason A.

My anxiety was getting quite high and I was getting worried… There was too much waiting and I wasn’t doing well with it.

Jason A.

Diagnosis

Going to the Emergency Room

My situation unfolded a little bit differently in the sense that this was all during the pandemic so everything was a little bit delayed. I had a little bit of a wait to get a colonoscopy because I wasn’t presenting urgent symptoms. It was more exploratory.

I was on a two- to four-month wait to get that colonoscopy done. However, my GP is an ER physician as well in the hospital and said, “If it’s getting worse or you want to get this solved quicker, go to the ER so you’ll have access to this a lot quicker.”

After a couple of weeks, my anxiety was getting quite high and I was getting worried. My wife had very gently encouraged me to go to the hospital and get it looked at for the good of my mental health. There was too much waiting and I wasn’t doing well with it.

I ended up in the ER because some of the symptoms were getting a bit worse. Again, I was looked at as a healthy 36-year-old adult. They did a physical exam. My blood work came back perfectly. My CEA was 1.8. It’s never changed. It’s always stayed at that so they were leaning towards diverticulitis, stress, inflammation, and everything they consider before cancer because of my age and my health.

Getting a CT Scan

The ER physician decided to do imaging. He wanted to do a CT scan to confirm what his thoughts were because he didn’t want to give me antibiotics unnecessarily.

I came back the next day and did the CT. About an hour later, he called me. I knew right away that something was wrong. From working in emergency services, I know people’s demeanors and the whole process of giving someone some bad news so I knew right away that something was up when he called me back.

He took me back to a private room, sat down on the bed right next to me, showed me my CT report, and said they found a mass in my colon. They also saw some lymph nodes that were enlarged regionally in that area.

Jason A.

Colonoscopies are not scary at all. They’re pretty smooth and painless.

Jason A.
Getting a Colonoscopy

I didn’t have a colonoscopy until after they found the tumor on a CT scan.

Colonoscopies are not scary at all. They’re pretty smooth and painless. To be honest, the most uncomfortable part is the prep to clean out your bowels but, at the same time, it’s not that bad. You have to drink a whole bunch of liquid that doesn’t taste very good.

Would I rather not have to do them? Absolutely. But at this point in my journey, I’ve had about 3 or 4 of them.

When you get the procedure done, you’re comfortable. I didn’t feel a thing. The staff was great. They gave me the choice to be awake or be totally out based on my comfort level.

The whole procedure lasted about 25 minutes. In my situation, I found it neat and a little empowering because I stayed awake. My surgeon did my colonoscopy and showed me my tumor. She explained where it was exactly and gave me an idea of what was going on, which I thought was cool because you never really get that perspective.

A procedure that could save someone’s life or make a drastic difference in an outcome is a no-brainer. I talk a lot about colonoscopies because a lot of people are scared of them or don’t want to do them. There are so many myths about them, but they’re quite simple, pretty comfortable, and quick procedures to get done.

Reaction to the CT Scan Results

I was in complete shock. This was the complete opposite of what anybody thought that was going on.

Unfortunately, given the pandemic, I was alone. It was not a pleasant situation. I know the staff felt quite bad as well. They were doing their best to comfort me and do what they could.

I was able to call my wife to let her know what was going on, but she wasn’t allowed in the hospital. She drove down and waited in the parking lot in case I needed anything.

I had an amazing medical professional. The nurse I had that day was phenomenal. She was a blessing in disguise in a difficult time. We were very similar in age so I think what was happening hit home to her.

The rest of that day was a blur. I was fortunate that my GP had a lot of connections at that hospital. I got a quick emergency procedure done to do a sigmoidoscopy and get a biopsy done.

Jason A.
Jason A.
Getting a Sigmoidoscopy & Biopsy

When I woke up, the general surgeon was very open with me. He said that he was 99% sure that we were looking at cancer. I was coming out of sedation so it didn’t hit me how it necessarily would if I wasn’t. Luckily, my wife was there.

Waiting and not knowing what was ahead, those few days after finding out were tough in many different ways.

Reaction to the Diagnosis

We went home in shock. We didn’t know what to say or what to do. We had a five-day wait to get the biopsy results back.

We both decided to keep working to keep things as normal as possible throughout the week. We tried not to sit around, thinking and waiting, because it wasn’t going to make anything easier.

That Friday, I got a call in the parking lot as I was leaving work and it was the general surgeon with the biopsy results. He confirmed that it was cancer, that he was sending all of my files immediately over to The Ottawa Hospital Cancer Centre, and that I’d be hearing from them at some point early the following week.

At that point, everything came crumbling down. I remember driving home and having to pull over on the side of the highway. My wife had to meet me because I couldn’t. I wasn’t there. When she pulled up, I was walking up and down the side of the road, in shock. I didn’t know what to think at that point.

We cried a bit. We drove home and were in shock for a few days. Waiting and not knowing what was ahead, those few days after finding out were tough in many different ways.

Jason A.
Jason A.
Breaking the News to Family and Friends

The toughest part was having to tell people because there’s very little cancer history in my family. I didn’t have any predispositions to anything that made sense.

Having to tell my family and friends was quite the thing. My wife played a huge role. She told a lot of people because I didn’t know what to say. I couldn’t have those conversations at that time.

The tumor was small and in a place they could reach very easily. They can take a few inches of my large intestines out and reconnect everything.

Treatment

Getting a Sigmoidoscopy

The initial procedure was a sigmoidoscopy. If I recall, it was 30 minutes between getting sedated and waking up again. There was no recovery, to be honest. I had a bit of a little discomfort in my rectum area, but beyond that, it was a quick, painless procedure.

I was very naive to the cancer world. You always hear of stages because of how cancer is portrayed in the media and on social media, I guess.

All my stuff got sent to The Ottawa Hospital. The following week after the biopsy confirmation, I heard from the colorectal surgeon’s office and they reviewed everything. Because the tumor was quite small, they decided to do surgery upfront.

Jason A.
Jason A.
Colon Resection

They weren’t sure if the lymph nodes they were seeing were involved. They couldn’t confirm that at that point. But what they did know was the tumor was small and in a place they could reach very easily. They can take a few inches of my large intestines out and reconnect everything.

Between the first week of December and about mid-January, I was doing pre-surgery workups, like blood work and pulmonary tests. They checked my heart and my lungs. I met with the anesthesiologist and the prep nurse. I had two MRIs because my stomach was not behaving and there were motion artifacts so they had to redo it.

Following that, I had a colonoscopy so they could go in, take a look, and mark the tumors because that’s how they locate them when they do the surgery laparoscopically. They also wanted to check the rest of my colon. Everything was clear. There were no other areas of concern.

I had my surgery on February 19th and it went smoothly. There were no issues. The surgery was about 3 1/2 hours. They were able to do it laparoscopically so it was minimally invasive, which was great. They ended up taking out about 6 or 7 inches of my large intestines and were able to reconnect the plumbing, as my surgeon called it.

I had a lot of support. My family was great. During that time, I found great social and emotional support groups that helped me during that time.

Recovering from Surgery

One of the things I was worried about was whether I was going to wake up with an ostomy bag. That was a big relief. I know it’s silly but out of everything, that was the big stressor for me. In retrospect, it’s probably the least that can go wrong.

Hospital stays are normally 4 to 7 days, depending on what happens. I was lucky I got out in three. The surgeons were happy. I went in strong and healthy. I was up and walking the next day.

The pain wasn’t too bad. I was off pain meds the next day. I was switched to Tylenol 3s. They sent me home with a bit of codeine. I used it once and beyond that was regular Tylenol.

I was in good shape. I worked out going into the surgery and prepped myself for it so that helped with the recovery as well.

In my mind, everything was great. The surgery was successful. Recovery was going well. There was the stress of all of this happening during COVID and being in the hospital was not fun.

Jason A.
Jason A.

After I got home, they called me because a nurse that I had tested positive. Luckily, I was negative, but it was a pretty stressful situation because I’d been home for a week already and my family was around me. Everything was great, but that was a stressful little situation after a pretty stressful situation of major surgery.

I was active during my recovery. Some days were more difficult and there was a little more pain. The first couple of weeks especially were frustrating. I’m active and independent. I work out, run, and lift weights, but for six weeks, I couldn’t even lift the laundry basket. I took handfuls of laundry in little scoops at a time. We went to buy groceries and I was able to carry in one item at a time. 

That was quite challenging mentally. Going from being strong, healthy, and independent to suddenly being unable to do anything for yourself. That was tough, but I got through it.

I had a lot of support. My family was great. During that time, I found great social and emotional support groups that helped me during that time. Getting onto some Zoom calls, talking to other patients, and making those peer connections definitely made recovery a lot easier.

There were cancer cells in 7 out of the 25 lymph nodes that they removed so that took me from what they thought was stage 1 or 2 to stage 3B.

Getting the Pathology Results

We had to wait for the pathology results. They took out the tumor, but they also took out about 25 lymph nodes that had to get sent to pathology so there was about a four-week wait for all that to come back.

When we got the pathology results, unfortunately, it showed that there were cancer cells in 7 out of the 25 lymph nodes that they removed so that took me from what they thought was stage 1 or 2 to stage 3B, which was a pretty big jump. I was not expecting that.

In retrospect, my stage still had great odds and was a very manageable stage, but it was still a shock to hear. It was more of a shock because I knew that meant chemo. It made the difference between everything being over after surgery and having a whole other adventure in this situation.

Jason A.
Jason A.
FOLFOX Chemotherapy Regimen

My diagnosis was stage 3B colon cancer. After recovery, I was lined up for six months of FOLFOX (folinic acid, fluorouracil, and oxaliplatin).

A couple of days before my first treatment, I went to the cancer center to do my chemo education. The first time I walked in, everything hit home. Up until that point, it was scary and traumatic. Hearing I had cancer was huge, but the surgery was like any other surgery. There was nothing different just because it was cancer surgery. The recovery was very smooth.

Walking into that cancer center and being a patient, not going there to visit someone or cut through to go to another part of the hospital, was quite the gut punch. That was a very big moment.

The beginning was a very interesting experience. The staff was amazing. They took great care of me. They took me on a tour. They educated me about my chemo and helped me choose if I wanted a PICC line or a port.

But one thing that stood out was every time I go to the cancer center, people look at me and wonder why I’m there. They don’t realize that I’m a patient. I’ve been asked several times, “Who are you picking up? Who are you visiting?” And when I say I’m here to get chemo, they give you the big deer-in-the-headlight look like it doesn’t make sense.

Waiting rooms are strange because I’m young and I look healthy and great. I would say 99% of the people are 50- to 60-plus. Most of them look pretty rough. The whole experience is very different. It’s really sad to say that I’ve gotten used to it. I put my blinders on, do my thing, and leave.

Those first couple of months were tough because they magnified and amplified the why me. Why am I the only 36-year-old sitting in this place? I treat myself well. I’m young and healthy beyond this, but I’m sitting in this room with all these people. That was quite a challenge as well.

Jason A.
Jason A.

The friends I made in Man Up to Cancer helped a lot because I was able to talk to them about that stuff. I quickly realized that it’s a widespread experience for a lot of people, especially younger adults. When you realize you’re not necessarily alone, it makes it a little bit easier to deal with.

Any colorectal cancer person is very familiar with the chemo regimen I did. I did six months of FOLFOX. I did 12 treatments.

I did a lot of things to help myself, which I do think made my experience with chemotherapy a little bit different.

Side Effects of FOLFOX

I tolerated it quite well. I was lucky in that regard. I worked while I was getting my treatments. I was quite active. They took great care of me.

I’m not going to sugarcoat it. There were days I felt like crap, but I also took control of a situation that I had very little control of. I did a lot of things to help myself, which I do think made my experience with chemotherapy a little bit different.

I got through the 12 cycles with no incidents. I did chemo from April until September 2021. My last session was on September 23rd. After that, I was NED (no evidence of disease) essentially. I was graduated to surveillance and that was supposed to be the end of it.

Jason A.
Jason A.

I know I did a lot, but I got very lucky. My body took to it very well, fortunately. The major side effect that I had was fatigue. I had quite a bit of fatigue.

My skin was not happy. I have sensitive skin as it is, but it did a number on my skin with rashes, dryness, and cracking. I had a pretty rough time with that at some points.

The neuropathy was not fun. Anyone who’s done FOLFOX knows that neuropathy from oxaliplatin can get pretty nasty, but I did a lot to counter it. It wasn’t too bad.

My oncologist and I have a great relationship… He’s very open to things as long as he has good data to make an educated decision.

Managing Neuropathy

To combat neuropathy, I worked with a naturopath. I took a lot of supplements. I did acupuncture, reflexology, and massage. I was doing all kinds of alternative stuff.

In my cancer center, I was one of the first people to do icing. I iced my hands and feet during every infusion of FOLFOX. I know in the States, in some of the larger cancer centers, it’s been a bit more common in the last few years, but in my cancer center, at that point, no one ever did that before. Everybody was dumbfounded by that because why would you ice your hands and feet with a chemotherapy agent that has extreme cold sensitivity?

I was fortunate to be hooked up with COLONTOWN. I was able to present my oncologist with studies, actual data, and factual information as to why it’s used.

My oncologist and I have a great relationship. We have a lot of respect for each other. He’s very open to things as long as he has good data to make an educated decision. I was the first person to do icing at my cancer center on FOLFOX and now he recommends that to a lot of his patients. He gives that as an option to anybody moving forward with that regimen so that’s cool.

Jason A.
Jason A.

I don’t know the detailed science behind it, but essentially what it’s supposed to do is help with the cold sensitivity because it restricts blood flow to your extremities. It shrinks your veins and arteries down so you don’t get as much blood flow in that area. I guess the theory is not as much chemo gets to your hands and feet so it lessens the cold sensitivity effects.

I’d put my hands in the freezer, pick up frozen food, and be okay. Patients who didn’t do that couldn’t even touch a cold cup. You’d get shocks and it would be extremely painful. I would take all these videos to show to my oncologist and he loved them because it’s not something that he was familiar with at that point.

There’s so much stuff out there and it’s not his fault. It seems a lot of stuff from the States comes to Canada 3 to 5 years later. It hasn’t gotten here yet, but it’s becoming more common. I’m happy that I got to try it and it benefited me so it’s going to benefit a lot of other people that come after me, too, which is cool.

Celebrating the End of Treatment

After I had my last chemo on September 23rd, I rang the bell. I had a nice big celebration. I hugged all the nurses there.

After six months of going in by myself, my wife was allowed to come in for my last treatment, which was cool because she’d never seen the cancer center because of the restrictions. She didn’t know what happened to me for three hours when she dropped me off at the front door. It was really neat for her to see what the process was and what I’d been doing for six months.

The plan was a couple of months after, I was going to get a follow-up scan to get a post-chemo baseline. That scan came back clean. At that point, I was under surveillance. I was declared NED and it stayed that way for about 16 months.

Jason A.

I realized how tired and burnt out I was… I didn’t process anything that happened to me that year and a half until chemo was over.

Jason A.

Taking Time Off Work

After that scan, I took time off work to recover because I’d been working through everything. Once that scan came back clear, it was like the weight of the world was lifted.

I realized how tired and burnt out I was from the year and a half of appointments, treatments, procedures, and operations so I decided to take a couple of months off work.

During that time, we adopted a little girl. She was one. That was something we put on hold when I got this diagnosis. We were in the process of becoming adoptive parents when we found out so we had to put that on pause.

Two weeks after my last treatment, we got a call that we were matched with this one-year-old adorable little girl. Two weeks after that, she was living with us. I went from a year and a half of being a patient to a dad in two weeks. There was no time to process anything.

It was this amazing, life-changing thing after a year and a half of this difficult, life-changing thing. It was exactly what my wife and I, and our family needed to have something great happen and get back to living.

Taking Time to Process Everything

It was a new normal. The next six months were hard. It was tough emotionally because I was finally able to stop. I wasn’t in survival mode anymore. I knew I was okay. All my systems started to slow down. Then you realize what you’ve been through. I didn’t process anything that happened to me that year and a half until chemo was over. 

Everything surfaced and hit me like a freight train. I spent a lot of time working with a social worker and my psychologist. I did a lot of peer groups within the cancer support community to work through everything and figure out what my new normal is and who I am now.

Jason A.
Jason A.

Everything changed. I was a first responder before and I was always a big risk taker and helper. After this, I realized, all my priorities had changed. Your outlook on everything is different.

I had to give myself time to heal both physically and mentally but also to figure out who I was, what I was going to do, what I wanted my life to look like now, and what was the healthiest thing for me moving forward. Working through all of that and trying to navigate some of the chemo side effects took a good chunk of the next year.

I was getting scans every three months for the first year. Then I moved up to every six months. I had one six-month scan that was clean.

How could a reoccurrence happen when you’re feeling great?

Finding a Lung Nodule

In September 2023, on one of my surveillance scans, a lung nodule popped up. We went back and saw that it was on a scan a year ago. It was tiny and a lot of the time, stuff in the lung isn’t noted until it changes because a lot of us have stuff on our lungs that are absolutely nothing. It changed gradually over the past year.

It was a bit of a shock. I’ve been completely asymptomatic. I’ve been feeling pretty good. I think I’m in better shape and feeling better than I was before my diagnosis, which is awesome but also a little confusing. How could a reoccurrence happen when you’re feeling great?

I didn’t feel any different. I was feeling great. If it wasn’t for that scan, I wouldn’t have a clue anything was there. That thrust me back into patient mode quickly, which was challenging because I’ve spent the last almost two years trying to figure out how not to be a patient anymore and I was in a really good spot.

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Jason A.
Discussing Treatment Options

Luckily, I had a lot of options. I had a whole bunch of tests done. It was an isolated incident and there was no spread anywhere else. Everything else is still great. 

After meeting with a thoracic surgeon, the first go-to will be surgery to take it out. I did a PET scan, which came back great. I had a brain MRI, which was clear. I did a CT scan, a cardiopulmonary test, EKG, and all the pre-surgery stuff.

Because of the location, even though it was a small 18 mm tumor, they were going to have to remove my whole lower lobe because it was quite central. They couldn’t do a wedge resection. They would have had to take too much out so it was safer to take the whole lobe.

From the time that lung nodule popped up on the scan, within a week, I had four procedures booked and done. I had a consult with a surgeon the following week.

Seeking a Second Opinion

Because of my age, my health, and because there was a low disease burden, I asked for a second opinion. I knew that there had to be a less invasive but as effective approach. I thought I was being pretty logical.

I talked to a couple of great people who are quite educated in the advocacy world and they guided me in the right direction about how to do that, what to do, and who to contact.

I ended up getting a second opinion from a highly regarded surgeon in Toronto out of Sunnybrook and he ended up being my thoracic surgeon’s mentor when he was in med school. Small world.

I pushed. If I need something, my doctors make it happen because if not, their phones are going to be ringing and I’m going to annoy everybody.

Jason A.
Jason A.

From the time that lung nodule popped up on the scan, within a week, I had four procedures booked and done. I had a consult with a surgeon the following week.

My oncologist is great. He goes to bat for me, which helped as well, but I was on the phone daily, calling the offices. “Do you have my file? Has it arrived yet? When’s my appointment? Book me in.”

My oncologist called me that week, saying, “Who are you calling? I’ve been getting messages about you all day and I don’t understand where these are coming from.” We had a good little chuckle.

What that ended up doing was getting my second opinion quickly and getting it moved to the tumor board the very next day.

Stereotactic Body Radiation Therapy

We ended up deciding to do SBRT as opposed to surgery. I had three 15-minute sessions in that area, which was done in November.

It’s a very specialized and precise radiation. As opposed to traditional radiation, which targets an area of the body and a whole bunch of tissue gets affected, they map out almost to the millimeter. The radiation impacts only the tumor and very minimal surrounding tissue around it.

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Jason A.
Side Effects of SBRT

I had very little side effects. I had a little bit of fatigue immediately after each session, a little bit lethargic, but that’s it.

It’s quite amazing that 45 minutes of treatment could replace losing a whole lobe of your lung. They’re as effective but on opposite ends of the spectrum with invasiveness so I’m fortunate for that second opinion.

My surgical oncologist would have come to that anyway, but that second opinion sped the whole thing up.

My situation is very good. I know I’m fortunate. I’m right on the brink of being NED again and staying there for a long time.

Follow-up Protocol

Technically speaking, if the SBRT did what it was supposed to do, I am back at NED. There was another tiny nodule that popped up that they were watching, but it did not light up on my PET scan so they’re not sold that it’s anything at all.

They’re going to keep a close eye on it in the next set of scans to see if anything changes. If it does, my radiation oncologist has already told me that he will treat it with SBRT right away. If it does turn into something at some point, I have a plan. I’m good. I know that SBRT is highly effective and minimally invasive so I’m happy about that.

Jason A.
Jason A.

My next scans are in January 2024. Those are going to be big ones. Everybody gave me the holidays off. They said, “SBRT takes some time to work so let’s push the scans back a couple of weeks. Enjoy the holidays with your family. You don’t need test results hanging over your head. We’re going to scan in the second week of January and ensure that the SBRT did what it was supposed to do.”

Knock on wood, it’s shrunk, it’s dead, it’s stable, whatever they need to see. If it did grow at all, I do have the option of doing another round of SBRT on it.

My situation is very good. I know I’m fortunate. I’m right on the brink of being NED again and staying there for a long time, if not forever this time. I’m a little bit nervous about that appointment because I don’t know if my oncologist is going to suggest clean-up chemo to be sure.

My situation is fairly unique because it was one isolated met. We didn’t do a biopsy on it because I felt that the risks of that lung biopsy were not necessarily worth it, especially given that it lit up on the PET scan. The fact that it lit up on the PET scan was enough for me. I didn’t feel that the potential side effects and risk factors were worth it. My oncologist and my team agreed.

Jason A.
Jason A.

Technically speaking, they don’t know 100% if it’s a CRC met or if it was potentially a second primary cancer in the lung. My staging is not necessarily changing. They’re not rushing to jump on anything. It’s essentially a stage 3B with an unconfirmed met in the lung essentially. I’m in a weird gray zone, I guess you could say.

The way I see it is I can still be NED from my stage 3 colon cancer and have a stage 1 lung something and they blast it out with SBRT. Both of those have extremely high cure rates and success rates. The worst case is that it was a met. It was isolated, the rest of me is clear, they blasted that away.

Do your research. Talk to organizations. There are great organizations out there. Get a network built around you.

Words of Advice

Our systems are very different in the US and Canada. Second opinions and all that work very differently, but at the core of it, advocacy is advocacy.

The biggest lesson I’ve learned is you have to trust your doctors. They’re the pros. But you also have the right to question them in a polite, professional, appropriate way.

You’re allowed to ask questions. You’re allowed to ask them why they’re making the decisions they’re making and why not. You’re allowed to give them ideas.

Jason A.
Jason A.

Do your research. Talk to organizations. There are great organizations out there. Get a network built around you.

Don’t hesitate and don’t be scared to say you don’t understand something, don’t agree with something, you got an idea from somebody, or you heard of a study, new treatment, or what have you. Don’t think that bringing that to your team is going to hurt their feelings or insult anybody.

At the end of the day, it’s your body and it’s your outcome. Doctors are amazing, absolutely. I love my team. There’s a very mixed bag of oncologists and doctors. People have very different experiences. But at the end of the day, they are not the be-all and end-all.

They help you and quarterback you, but their word is not the final say and it’s not always the right one. I’ve learned that when you bring things to their attention, when you learn how to work with them and be part of your care, they take your opinions and some of your ideas and make things happen.

Be part of your care. When there are meetings and decisions to be made, be part of that. Be actively engaged and make your voice heard.

If they know you’re going to cause a ruckus, speak up, and stir up the pot essentially to get things done, they will work that much harder for you because they know you’re invested and that you’re not going to wait. If they lag or say no, you’re going to find a way. Don’t take no for an answer. Don’t be scared to question and ask why.

Jason A.
Jason A.

We cannot do this alone. Supporters and caregivers are often not talked about enough. They get as affected as we do. Maybe not in the same ways, but they experience this with us. When one of us has cancer, the whole family does. Don’t forget about those people. Everybody’s trying to help. Surround yourself with good.

There are a lot of amazing organizations out there. I used Young Adult Cancer Canada, Colorectal Cancer Canada, Man Up to Cancer, and CCRAN.

Surround yourself, educate yourself, and be knowledgeable. Don’t put your head in the sand and isolate because that’s not going to go well. Find your people and latch on to what helps. That community will help you get through this.

Be part of your care… Be actively engaged and make your voice heard.


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Kristin’s Myelofibrosis Story

Kristin’s Myelofibrosis Story

Interviewed by: Alexis Moberger
Edited by: Katrina Villareal

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Kristin shares her experience of being diagnosed with myelofibrosis, a rare type of bone marrow cancer.

She was initially diagnosed with polycythemia vera (PV), a blood disorder wherein there is an increase in red blood cells. She would have phlebotomies done every three months as a treatment for about a year until she didn’t need to anymore.

Shortly after, a routine blood work showed very, very low platelets. After having a bone marrow biopsy done, she was referred to an oncologist.

The only treatment suggested was a stem cell transplant. Unable to match with a donor through Be The Match, she thankfully matched with her sister. She also shares how she dealt with her 25-year-old daughter’s Hodgkin lymphoma diagnosis.

Kristin shares her journey and the importance of finding positive people to surround you.

In addition to Kristin’s narrative, The Patient Story offers a diverse collection of myeloproliferative neoplasm (MPN) stories. These empowering stories provide real-life experiences, valuable insights, and perspectives on symptoms, diagnosis, and treatment options for cancer.


  • Name: Kristin D.
  • Diagnosis:
    • Myelofibrosis
  • Mutations:
    • JAK2
  • Initial Symptoms:
    • None; caught at routine blood work
  • Treatment:
    • Stem cell transplant
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Introduction

I’ve been a flight attendant since ‘98, which has always been my dream job. I grew up in Chicago and went to college at the University of Illinois.

I’ve lived in a lot of interesting places. My favorite place in the world is where I live now in Annapolis, Maryland. My husband lived here so I moved here. We bought a house in 1996 and had a great life.

At the end of 2021, I was told I had myelofibrosis. I didn’t have many options. The treatment for it was a stem cell transplant.

It’s a very rare blood disease. I’ve never heard about it and I don’t know anybody who has. Luckily, I had a sister who helped me navigate through the whole process.

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When I had routine blood work done, my platelets were very, very low so my general doctor wanted me to see an oncologist.

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Pre-diagnosis

Initial Symptoms

During my annual blood work, they said my red count was so high. They said, “Don’t worry about anything. It’s easy to treat with phlebotomies.” They said it was not that uncommon.

I would go to the blood center every three months and pump out a couple of pints of blood. They would discard it because it wasn’t good blood. It was painless. I didn’t feel different going in or coming out.

I did that for a year. One time, my red blood cell count was good enough that I didn’t need it. I thought that was odd but a good sign.

Shortly after, when I had routine blood work done, my platelets were very, very low so my general doctor wanted me to see an oncologist. He did a bone marrow biopsy and turned me over to the University of Maryland.

I felt great. I wasn’t fatigued. I played a lot of tennis and nothing.

The only symptom was I bruised easily. There were bruises on my hands, legs, and arms. I would wake up with itchy arms.

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I felt confident this wasn’t something I was going to die prematurely of because there was a treatment for it.

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Diagnosis

Getting the Diagnosis

Nobody in my family ever had something like this. They said it’s not genetic.

My oncologist at the University of Maryland is fantastic. He’s a real rose-colored glasses kind of guy and non-alarmist. He said there was no explanation. It wasn’t environmental, genetic, or my lifestyle.

Before treatment, they thought it was related to working at altitude all the time, but they ruled that out.

Reaction to the Diagnosis

It was frightening, but I felt confident this wasn’t something I was going to die prematurely of because there was a treatment for it.

My sister’s a nurse. She’s my right hand when it comes to looking at my test results. She’s my interpreter because a lot of that’s so foreign to me. She was also my donor.

Getting a Second Opinion

I went for a second opinion at Hopkins. The doctor recommended a book about myelofibrosis, but I could never get my hands on it.

When people say, “What were you out with?” I say it’s a kind of blood disorder. I don’t say myelofibrosis because nobody knows what it is.

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There was nothing else I could do, but it was up to me as to when to do it.

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Treatment

Discussing the Treatment Plan

Other than the transplant, there was no other treatment suggested. It was the only solution. The only option I had was when to do it.

He said that since I felt so good, I could wait a year or two or three. He said it’s better to do it when you’re young. The way I am is I want to get it done.

He said, “You’re going to need a donor. You’re going to need to take a year off work,” and that shocked me. It turned out to be a year and a half.

I block out bad stuff and bad times, but I vaguely remember there was no other option than the transplant.

Bone Marrow Biopsy

They looked at my counts and my platelet counts were getting gradually worse. They said the next step was a biopsy, which was pretty much a no-brainer.

They got the diagnosis from the bone marrow biopsies. I’ve had probably at least 10 of them in my life.

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Preparing for the Bone Marrow Transplant

Luckily, I have two children and that’s a good thing because they said the age of the donor is important to its success.

My son was living in Maui so he wasn’t an option. I didn’t want him to interrupt his life. My daughter stepped up to the plate and said she would do it. She started going for all the visits and tests.

I didn’t match with anyone in Be The Match. They said I was 1 in 1,000,000. My sister was a match so even though she was 61 at the time, there were advantages because we were full siblings.

I was in the hospital for five weeks. It was like being in a bubble.

Going Through Transplant

I went through radiation for two days for 15 minutes on each side.

I never knew how chemo worked. You get a port and it goes right in. You don’t feel a thing. They called it the eat, drink, and be merry days.

After the chemo went in, I felt really good. I couldn’t leave the floor so I would go on the treadmill.

My nurses predicted that by around day 10, I would feel sick and wouldn’t have any energy or appetite. They were right. Everything people say about chemo is true.

I had diarrhea pretty much for two months. It was a slow healing.

In my ward at the University of Maryland, I was the youngest person there. I was amazed that older bodies could go through that.

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Recovering from Transplant

I was in the hospital for five weeks. It was like being in a bubble. You think it’s relaxing because you can read or watch a lot of TV or movies, but they’re constantly checking on you. They get your vitals every three hours. But I got a lot of support from them. I had my designated visitors so the five weeks went by fast.

You need a caregiver. You need somebody to live with you in case you fall, to check your temperature, and to monitor you. My best friend from Indiana gave up three months of her life and came to live with me.

She was the perfect person for it. She took notes and took charge of my meds. She went with me to every appointment. She’s an incredible person.

If this comes back, when my numbers start to falter, I will do it again in a second.

Transplant Didn’t Work As Planned

When they found out I accepted only 2% of my sister’s cells, they looked at it as somewhat of a failure. I was so mad when a nurse said my transplant was a failure. I asked Dr. Rapoport, “Why did she call it a failure?” He said, “It was a bad choice of words. It didn’t work as planned. You still succeeded in getting rid of the JAK2 mutation.”

I was so upset about that because it meant my immune system was weak.

I was on VALTREX (valacyclovir). When my refill came up, I asked Dr. Rapoport, “Do I still need to be on this?” He said no. I’m in the process of getting vaccinated again.

They offered clinical trials to everybody on the floor. It required coming back to the hospital. I live an hour away and I didn’t want to do it.

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Danielle is different than me. She investigated and talked to people who had been through it. She met a few people online who had myelofibrosis. She wanted to know where you were at this point, this point, and this point. I wanted to dive in and then forget about it.

Getting Another Transplant

They want to see me every four months. If this comes back, when my numbers start to falter, I will do it again in a second.

My best friend came with me to one of my appointments and said, “I don’t understand what’s going on with Kristin. Is she cancer-free?” A different said, “She’s never going to be cancer-free. It’s just the way it works.”

Hopkins had a way of doing things that I liked and didn’t like, but I would probably do it again there.

As far as finding another donor, I would probably go with my son because he’s young. It worked out well for my daughter and I’m sure he would do it. My sister’s 63 and if it comes back, she might be older.

My numbers have been stable. They’re not off-the-charts great, but they’re not getting worse.

Life Post-Transplant

I wasn’t allowed to vacuum. I wasn’t allowed to go anywhere without a mask. I wasn’t allowed in restaurants. I wasn’t allowed to eat anything that other people brought in.

They made me paranoid about germs, going outside, and eating anything that hadn’t been washed. No sushi, nothing undercooked, and no lunch meats. They put the fear in me. If I got sick with pneumonia or COVID, it could have been really bad because I didn’t have anything to fight that off, but I didn’t.

Follow-up

When I go to the doctor, I have a little fear, but Dr. Rapoport emphasizes that my numbers have been stable. They’re not off-the-charts great, but they’re not getting worse. He’s a great guy to deal with because he always looks on the bright side.

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When she said, ‘I have a tumor in my chest. It’s big and it’s near my heart,’ we started crying.

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Going Through Cancer with Her Daughter

Even though she’s got a wonderful guy, a mother’s instinct is to take care of her daughter, go to her treatments, and baby her and I couldn’t at those stages.

We all got through it. I thought she was going to have no energy and be chronically sick to her stomach and she didn’t. She didn’t feel great, but she was strong throughout it while I could barely get off the couch or go up and down the stairs. I don’t know if it was her age or if they did something differently with her.

She started going through all the tests that a donor needed to go through. They were confident she’d be great because she’s healthy, too.

It was Friday afternoon when she had her chest X-ray done. They took her in after the results came out and the doctor said, “You have a tumor,” and it was pretty sizable.

She called me as we were taxiing out. I wanted to know what was going on, but she said, “I’ll talk to you when you come back Sunday,” because she knew I would probably break down.

I thought she was going to tell me she couldn’t be my donor because we didn’t match. When she said, “I have a tumor in my chest. It’s big and it’s near my heart,” we started crying and saying, “This doesn’t make any sense.”

She went through the PET scan and the biopsy of the tumor. We clung on to the hope it would be benign and it wasn’t.

My daughter, who went to Hopkins, didn’t have it affect her as badly. They put her on chemo and she handled it well. She rang the bell and had a cancer-free celebration.

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Four months after she stopped chemo, they found a lymph node. They called it hot. It showed up red on the PET scan. She was called refractory because she didn’t respond to chemo.

That was probably the worst part because I thought she was headed towards what I went through, which was hard. She’s 25. She’s supposed to be doing so many other things.

I wanted them to move in with me after she got out of the hospital and they said, “No. We’re adults. We’re going to figure this out our way.” I respect them. They didn’t need me as much as I wanted her to, but that’s a good thing.

She and her boyfriend have a great relationship. They laugh, enjoy themselves, and go for walks. They navigated their way through it. Now we’re in a state of relief. They have a great future ahead of them.

Words of Advice

I rave about Dr. Rapoport because he was positive, but there’s a lot of negativity.

You have to rely on other people to keep your spirits up. Take in all the positives. I had people come over and do puzzles with me. We’d watch Ted Lasso and I’d eat a lot of ice cream. To be without anybody that loved you or cared for you would be dark.

When I was in New York and started running a fever, I called the University of Maryland and said, “Can I come in tomorrow? Because I’m running a fever. I don’t feel that bad. I’m just running a fever and I know you don’t like that.” She said, “Get to an emergency room right now.”

I said, “Why? Why can’t I see you at eight tomorrow morning? I’ll catch the next flight.” She said, “Because the infection could go into your bloodstream.” She said this was an emergency.

I went to the emergency room and, as you know in New York, that took about six hours. They diagnosed me with pneumonia. I went on medication and got over it in a couple of weeks.

You deal with fatalistic people who are the glass is half empty. Find a positive person who points out the good things.

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