Clinical Trials Update

What to Know in Myelofibrosis Care

Edited by:
Katrina Villareal

Following the American Society of Hematology Annual Meeting (ASH), Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju of MD Anderson and patient advocate Ruth Fein Revell discuss the latest myelofibrosis treatment options.

Thank you to GSK and AbbVie for their support of our patient education program! The Patient Story retains full editorial control over all content.

This interview has been edited for clarity. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider for treatment decisions.

Introduction

Ruth Fein Revell, Patient Advocate

Ruth Fein Revell: Hi and welcome to our program, Clinical Trials Update: What to Know in Myelofibrosis Care. My name is Ruth Fein Revell and I’ve lived with a myeloproliferative neoplasm (MPN) for nearly 30 years.

I was diagnosed with essential thrombocythemia in 1995, polycythemia vera about 20 years later, and myelofibrosis in 2018. I’ve also lived with a number of complications from dangerous blood clots and hemorrhages that put me in the ICU to debilitating headaches, bone pain, and extreme fatigue.

I’m a health and science writer and very fortunate to be in a clinical trial for the last four years with amazing results, eliminating my symptoms, and significantly reducing my bone marrow.

I’d like to give special thanks to GSK for supporting this educational program. We want to note that The Patient Story retains full editorial control of this entire program. This is not meant to be a substitute for medical advice.

Joining us is Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju, a top expert in MPNs and myelofibrosis from MD Anderson. Dr. Pemmaraju, it’s so nice to see you. Thanks for joining us and for being a part of this program. Can you tell us more about yourself and what drew you to MPNs?

Naveen Pemmaraju, MD

Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju: Thanks for having me. I’m a professor of leukemia at MD Anderson in Houston, Texas. I serve as the executive director for cancer medicine and as the director for our rare disease program, including blastic plasmacytoid dendritic cell neoplasm (BPDCN).

I am an expert in both clinical trial research and patient care for patients with MPNs, including myelofibrosis, polycythemia vera, essential thrombocythemia, and mastocytosis.

Ruth: It’s always great to see you and to speak to you. You offer so much to the MPN community and we really thank you.

JAK inhibitors are not JAK2 mutant-specific inhibitors, so that’s why they work in patients whether they’re JAK, MPL, CALR, triple-negative, or have no mutations.

Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju

Standard of Care: JAK Inhibitors

Ruth: We now have four JAK inhibitors and one one of them was just approved. Walk us through this. First of all, how does a JAK inhibitor work?

Dr. Pemmaraju: The basic premise is that MPN cells signal through a specific pathway called the JAK/STAT pathway.

A regular cell uses the JAK/STAT pathway for normal blood cell growth, differentiation, and lifespan. Now take an MPN cell and that pathway is hijacked and used in a malignant way, so those cells keep growing and dividing. It’s like a light switch that’s turned on that doesn’t go off.

Interestingly, the JAK inhibitors are not JAK2 mutant-specific inhibitors, so that’s why they work in patients whether they’re JAK, MPL, CALR, triple-negative, or have no mutations.

JAK inhibitors are based on the principle that the JAK/STAT pathway and the cells are overactive and not working properly. JAK inhibitors aim to block that malignant activity and restore normal growth.

Ruxolitinib was the first-ever approved JAK inhibitor. Since 2011, three JAK inhibitors have been US FDA-approved: fedratinib in 2019, pacritinib in 2022, and momelotinib in 2023. The four currently approved JAK inhibitors have some interesting similarities and differences.

[Ruxolitinib] works very quickly in relieving the symptom burden for our patients with MPNs.

Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju

Ruxolitinib

Dr. Pemmaraju: Ruxolitinib, the first and longest in class, is a JAK1/JAK2 inhibitor. This drug was simply amazing in the original clinical trials, which were COMFORT-I and COMFORT-II, led by Serge Verstovsek and Professor Claire Harrison.

In those studies, we learned a few things about ruxolitinib. One is that it works very quickly in relieving the symptom burden for our patients with MPNs. It can shrink the spleen rather quickly as well, so quickly that the hallmark ended up being at week 24 by six months.

Some side effects to look out for over time in this otherwise well-tolerated drug have been the development in some patients of opportunistic infections, such as herpes zoster or shingles, weight gain, and non-melanoma skin cancers.

Basal cell and squamous cell cancers of the skin are already common in our patient population, so a lot of our patients end up seeing a dermatologist. Most of our patients don’t necessarily discontinue for those side effects, but we need to watch out for them.

All patients who are going to get treated with fedratinib should have their thiamine level checked.

Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju

Fedratinib

Dr. Pemmaraju: Fedratinib improves symptoms and decreases spleen size, but it has a very notable toxicity or side effect, which garnered an FDA black box warning. It’s a very serious potential side effect called encephalopathy. Some have seen it to be Wernicke’s encephalopathy, but on later analysis, not exactly.

Wernicke’s encephalopathy is a name for a syndrome that can cause problems with thinking and even balance and can result from severe nutritional deficiencies. For fedratinib, it appears that it displaces vitamin B1 (thiamine) so what we see is the linking of those. All patients who are going to get treated with fedratinib should have their thiamine level checked because the encephalopathy can be related to that.

Patients can have GI side effects with fedratinib, like nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea, so we have to watch out for that, particularly in our older and more frail patients.

The unique thing with pacritinib is for several years, it was being watched for the development of cardiac and/or bleeding signals.

Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju

Pacritinib

Dr. Pemmaraju: Pacritinib is an interesting agent. Again, all these are trying to hit the JAK/STAT pathway, but this hits other pathways outside of that and that may be part of its benefits and toxicities.

It helps to shrink down the spleen and improve the symptom burden of patients, but the unique thing with pacritinib is for several years, it was being watched for the development of cardiac and/or bleeding signals.

I and others have done a lot of evaluation and analysis, including post-approval. We’re not seeing a high signal for that, but that’s something you have to be aware of if the patient is on a blood thinner, having chest pain, or having heart surgery.

Not only did [momelotinib] show improvement in the spleen size and symptoms, but what’s interesting — and pacritinib is showing this as well — is having an improvement in anemia.

Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju

Momelotinib

Dr. Pemmaraju: Momelotinib is the most recently approved JAK inhibitor. Again, not only did it show improvement in the spleen size and symptoms, but what’s interesting — and pacritinib is showing this as well — is having an improvement in anemia. Now that’s important.

Ruxolitinib and fedratinib don’t necessarily do that and, in some cases, it can make it transiently worse. Momelotinib has ACVR1 inhibition. Pacritinib also showing that as well unleashes a new era for our patients of JAK inhibitors having beneficial side effects, such as improvement of anemia and potentially, thrombocytopenia.

You have to watch out for GI side effects with fedratinib, pacritinib, and even momelotinib. In the earlier studies of momelotinib, there was a signal for peripheral neuropathy. I want to put those forward as an overview. There are some subtleties and differences, if one reads further.

Ruth: Thanks for that explanation. I’ve heard a lot of people say that they have a different mutation, so a JAK inhibitor isn’t going to help them, but we know that that’s not the case, so thanks for your explanation of how they work.

There isn’t a single molecular test. The decision is based on clinical factors and the art of medical decision-making.

Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju

Switching JAK Inhibitors

Ruth: How do you know which JAK inhibitor might or might not work and which one to try first? How is that decision made?

Dr. Pemmaraju: The decision to switch JAK inhibitors is not scientific. We’re not there yet. At some point, I envision that we’ll have a decision tree, like our colleagues in CML. But right now, there’s no molecular test, so it is the art of medicine. It is clinical decision-making.

There are some factors, if one looks up in the NCCN and other guidelines. One is platelet count. Ruxolitinib and fedratinib should be given to patients who have a certain amount of platelets and that’s where pacritinib was able to get its approval.

Pacritinib is specifically approved in the front-line setting for patients whose platelet count is less than 50, for example. The NCCN guidelines and other groups say that once you use pacritinib in later lines, maybe you don’t have to pay attention to the platelet as much, but that’s obviously for debate.

Another factor is the GI signal. If you have someone who has a known encephalopathy syndrome or thiamine deficiency, then fedratinib is not going to be one that you would choose.

Finally, you have to look at some of these subtle side effects that we mentioned earlier, such as GI and neuropathy, to help you choose.

The bottom line is there isn’t a single molecular test. The decision is based on clinical factors and the art of medical decision-making.

Switching can have financial cost repercussions, new toxicities when a patient was otherwise doing ‘okay,’ problems with access to the drug, and could uncover idiosyncratic side effects that may be specific to that patient and weren’t seen in the studies.

Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju

Ruth: So it’s possible that somebody could start on one JAK inhibitor and at some point switch to another. Is that an issue if you change?

Dr. Pemmaraju: This is a great important point about switching JAK inhibitors and what are the indications. There are several buckets here.

First is clear disease progression in terms of the spleen. If you have a patient who’s been on a certain JAK inhibitor for a sufficient amount of time and you have a spleen that previously shrunk but now starting to rise again, that could be considered disease progression and an indication to switch.

Second is worsening MPN symptom burden to the point where the patient’s quality of life is affected.

Third is blast count, peripheral blasts or bone marrow blasts, going up.

Fourth is the progression of the disease to an outright higher level of disease, what we call an accelerated blast phase.

The development of these clinical factors, such as the platelet count, may matter if you have a patient who’s on ruxolitinib, for example, and you consistently have platelets below 50, then that’s an indication to switch, for example, to pacritinib. If you have a patient who has anemia, you may think about momelotinib.

These are some of the reasons to think about switching. But again, there isn’t a molecular test or a definitive moment to switch. Switching can have financial cost repercussions, new toxicities when a patient was otherwise doing “okay,” problems with access to the drug, and could uncover idiosyncratic side effects that may be specific to that patient and weren’t seen in the studies.

Finally, you have a question about withdrawal and overlap, so these are things I think we’ll all work out together over the coming years as we have these JAK inhibitors in the clinic.

The story of JAK inhibitors is an evolving story and it’s evolving at three levels.

First is the science of it alone. In 2005, I was at Johns Hopkins with Alison Moliterno and Jerry Spivak, and I remember the day that the JAK2 mutation V617F was elucidated. From that time to now, we have JAK inhibitors that are amazing, so science is still evolving.

Second is the clinical part, as we’ve discussed. When to switch, how to switch, what are the factors, etc.

Third is the future. How do we combine these drugs with a second agent and potentially a third agent? What are those cross-reactivities? How does that benefit the patient to start those upfront rather than later on? You have this evolving area that’s quite exciting but also quite daunting not only for the patients and the clinic but for researchers.

This is preliminary data, but it was so encouraging that they are now moving on to a phase 3 randomized global study.

Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju

Clinical Trials: Combination Therapy

Selinexor & Ruxolitinib

Ruth: We’re seeing some really exciting updates as far as combination therapy. Let’s talk about clinical trials, starting with selinexor plus a JAK inhibitor and then move on to other combinations.

Dr. Pemmaraju: At ASH 2023, Dr. Sri Tantravahi from Utah presented the first public data of front-line combination, updated I should say, of selinexor with ruxolitinib. This is untreated patients with myelofibrosis, intermediate to high risk, who were given the combination rather than ruxolitinib, which would be considered the standard or JAK inhibitor.

Although it was early on and only a few patients, very surprisingly and amazingly, the group showed that there’s a high rate of activity in spleens being reduced as well as symptom burden being increased.

Now, this is preliminary data, but it was so encouraging that they are now moving on to a phase 3 randomized global study. The combination selinexor-ruxolitinib, so the XPO1 inhibitor plus JAK inhibitor, versus JAK inhibitor alone. Those data will be eagerly awaited.

This is also, if I may say, a fascinating study.

Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju

Navitoclax & Ruxolitinib

Ruth: What about the BCL inhibitor navitoclax?

Dr. Pemmaraju: A second combination is that of the BCL-XL inhibitor navitoclax with ruxolitinib, which I presented as an oral presentation at ASH on behalf of my colleagues. This is also, if I may say, a fascinating study.

We globally enrolled 252 patients into a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study of ruxolitinib plus navitoclax, which is not yet approved for any indication, versus ruxolitinib alone. Again, we had intermediate to high-risk patients, around 80-plus percent of intermediate-2 patients.

What we found is a very outstanding rate of 60-plus percent of patients in the combination arm having an SVR35 at week 24, so spleen volume reduction of 35% or more, versus only 30-plus percent in the control arm, which was ruxolitinib alone. The waterfall plot showed that almost all patients benefited from the combination.

In terms of statistical analysis, the primary endpoint of spleen reduction was met with a high statistical significance, but the symptom burden difference was not yet found to be statistically significant. Both groups had reductions, so there was a numerical reduction of the symptoms in both the combination and the ruxolitinib alone, but there was no statistical difference.

The study is ongoing for collecting for maturity and overall survival duration, so this was a preliminary presentation at 15 months follow-up. We’ll stay tuned to see how it gets updated over the next congresses.

Great safety, but you have to watch out for thrombocytopenia, which is low platelets, and watch for that signal very closely.

Luspatercept & Ruxolitinib

Ruth: Another combination being investigated is the use of a shot called luspatercept to boost hemoglobin or fight anemia, and that also is being used with ruxolitinib. Can you tell us more about that one?

Dr. Pemmaraju: Luspatercept is a fascinating molecule. It’s already FDA-approved in the myelodysplastic syndrome setting. In the MPN setting, we think it has a similar activity to improve hemoglobin and anemia, which is an urgent, unmet medical need.

The initial studies have shown positive data, which is either luspatercept by itself, usually given every three weeks, or in combination with the JAK inhibitor ruxolitinib. Those studies are ongoing and we eagerly await those results in the coming year or two.

When the group looked back at certain subsets, including the intermediate-1 patients and others, it appeared that there was a benefit in both spleen size and symptoms.

Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju

Pelabresib & Ruxolitinib

Ruth: We’ve also had the MANIFEST trial, which is the trial that I happen to have been on for the last four years, and that’s a different drug, s pelabresib. Could you talk about that combination and what you think the potential is?

Dr. Pemmaraju: Another exciting combination presented at ASH 2023 was that of the MANIFEST-2, which is ruxolitinib plus a new agent pelabresib, a bromodomain or BET inhibitor, which is not yet FDA-approved for any indication.

This encouraging data set was presented by Dr. Raajit Rampal from Memorial Sloan Kettering. It’s the second-largest study ever conducted in the myelofibrosis front-line space, which included 430 patients. They also randomized ruxolitinib-pelabresib versus ruxolitinib alone in the control, mostly intermediate-1 to intermediate-2 patients, so a slightly different population.

They showed a very similar profile. A highly statistically significant primary endpoint was met, which is SVR35 at week 24. The symptoms in all comers, although showing a numerical decrease in both groups, did not quite meet statistical significance.

When the group looked back at certain subsets, including the intermediate-1 patients and others, it appeared that there was a benefit in both spleen size and symptoms.

The supposition is the same as navitoclax. These two are the first ever in our field, resulting in phase 3 global, double-blind, placebo-controlled, front-line, untreated myelofibrosis patients with a novel combination of pelabresib and navitoclax, neither of which are FDA-approved for any indication.

I would say my editorial comment is super exciting for the field that we even did it. Both were international studies largely conducted during the pandemic and involved lots of patients and investigators.

The primary endpoint was met for both of them. The symptoms were not quite met in either study in terms of statistical significance so the question asked is three-fold.

What is the utility of following the symptom burden scale in combination studies, something that was designed 15 years ago for a single-agent JAK inhibitor?

Do we expect a combination to improve symptoms over ruxolitinib alone, or because you’re introducing a second drug, you’re going to introduce new toxicity?

On behalf of my colleagues, maybe it’s time to reevaluate: what are the endpoints for our patients with myelofibrosis? Perhaps in addition to reducing spleen size and improving symptoms, we should be factoring in overall survival, progression-free survival, and bridging to stem cell transplant. This is the time to talk about it because these combination studies are difficult, if not impossible, to judge based on the COMFORT-I and COMFORT-II studies.

Imetelstat is in an ongoing phase 3 trial, which is in the second-line setting and beyond, against the best available therapy (BAT).

Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju

Telomerase Inhibitors

Ruth: Let’s go beyond JAK inhibitors. There are other drugs being studied. Can you help us understand other approaches?

Dr. Pemmaraju: There’s an exciting alphabet soup of clinical trials and drug molecules out there. It’s exciting for our patients to know that there are people around the world who care about MPNs, so it’s good to know that despite COVID, we have a lot of innovation.

We’re adding a new trial once a week, so it’s almost impossible to keep up, but I do want to give some sampling of what’s going on.

Imetelstat is very important for everyone to know. It’s a first-in-class telomerase inhibitor. Some people have heard of telomeres. They are the little ends on the ends of chromosomes that help to determine aging and possibly even cancer biology.

Imetelstat is in an ongoing phase 3 trial, which is in the second-line setting and beyond, against the best available therapy (BAT). I praised this trial because it’s the first and, to my knowledge, only phase 3 trial that has overall survival as its primary endpoint. Hopefully, it will give us a readout in the next year or two.

MDM2 Inhibitors

Dr. Pemmaraju: MDM2 inhibitors have gotten a lot of press in all MPNs. This is a key pathway that has to do with guarding the cell TP53. It’s an oral drug that has been studied before. As a class of drugs, there may be some GI side effects to watch out for, but in the later trials we’ve seen, the groups have figured out a way to address that by either adjusting the dosing schedule or dosing frequency.

I’m excited to see where that area goes. Right now, the lead trials are MDM2 inhibitors with ruxolitinib as an add-on approach or a suboptimal approach. You’re already on a JAK inhibitor. You have an okay response, not a great one, but not quite ready to come off of it, and then you add the MDM2 inhibitor. Those studies are actively ongoing and I think we’ll be excited to see those results.

The good thing about myelofibrosis is whether you’re JAK, CALR, MPL, or triple negative, you respond to JAK inhibitors and novel agents alike.

Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju

Genetic Mutations in Myelofibrosis

Ruth: What if someone’s myelofibrosis isn’t driven by a JAK mutation but a different mutation, is there a different approach? We’ve also been hearing about a cancer vaccine related to CALR, so could you walk us through both?

Dr. Pemmaraju: There’s a two-part answer to the question of molecular mutation targeting in MPNs. Historically and in the clinic right now, there is no difference at the moment.

The good thing about myelofibrosis is whether you’re JAK, CALR, MPL, or triple negative, you respond to JAK inhibitors and novel agents alike. That’s an interesting thing that suggests that there’s a common pathway.

But for the future, yes. Already in the clinic in 2024, we expect a new era to begin, which is, for the first time, to have mutant-specific approaches for both JAK2 and CALR. I expect that we’ll see multiple different drugs targeting mutant JAK2 specifically. The hypothesis is: could that be better and more specific than targeting the whole pathway? Let’s see. You’ll see phase 1 trials there.

CALR turns out to be a really good target, especially for immune therapy targeting. That’s only new science in the last five years. There are vaccine approaches either by themselves or with other immune drugs, such as ipilimumab. There’s an exciting bispecific molecule, which is a mutant CALR x CD3 bispecific antibody that I and others will be working on.

There are also going to be other ways to target CALR. You have multiple different ways of targeting mutant-specific approaches, but let me highlight these are phase 1 clinical trials. They’re backed by animal preclinical data. Now we need to see how they do in the initial trials.

For the first time, I’m seeing sustained improvement in the anemia of MPN, specifically myelofibrosis. We have three different categories trying to address this for our patients.

Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju

Anemia in Myelofibrosis

Ruth: Dr. Pemmaraju, you mentioned that many people suffer from anemia when hemoglobin is low. We know they can feel extremely fatigued so much that it interferes with their quality of life, which I know from personal experience, unfortunately. With what you’ve described, do you feel like we’re getting better tools to fight anemia and hopefully avoid people needing more frequent transfusions?

Dr. Pemmaraju: Yes. For the first time, I’m seeing sustained improvement in the anemia of MPN, specifically myelofibrosis. We have three different categories trying to address this for our patients and it’s simply exciting.

First is the JAK inhibitors themselves. As we mentioned earlier, the first initial ones did not improve and may have worsened the anemia transiently in some patients. Now these second- and third-generation JAK inhibitors are improving the anemia and possibly through the inhibition of ACVRL1, so that’s exciting.

Second is the additional agents, such as luspatercept. You can add on an agent that works outside of the JAK inhibitor that aims to stimulate the hemoglobin and improve the anemia.

Third is these novel agents. When you look closely at the navitoclax and pelabresib data sets, in those two particular instances, you have some people who get anemia as toxicity, but you also have patients who have anemia improvement with the combination, maybe better than with ruxolitinib alone. These three approaches, we’re already seeing in the clinic in phase 1, 2, and 3 clinical trials.

Out of all of these theoretical things, a lot of times what our patients are suffering from is anemia. When the hemoglobin gets below 7, 6, 5, or 4, it’s not even compatible with life, much less quality of life. Anything we can do to reduce the burden of getting transfusions, missing appointments, and missing life events is going to be a big breakthrough, and I’m starting to see that.

If a transplant is available and indicated, it is the only curative approach for myelofibrosis.

Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju

Role of Stem Cell Transplant in the Treatment of Myelofibrosis

Ruth: Typically, a doctor will tell a patient that the only cure for myelofibrosis is having a stem cell transplant. With these new medical therapies, my question is always the same: do you see a changing role for transplants?

Dr. Pemmaraju: The role of stem cell transplant in myelofibrosis is one of great importance still. While I’m personally excited about all of these drugs in development, two things are important.

First, none of these have been shown to create a long-term cure in and of themselves for myelofibrosis. Second, if a transplant is available and indicated, it is the only curative approach for myelofibrosis.

Having said that, the realistic problem with allogeneic transplants is that it’s not available for everyone because of their comorbidities, how frail versus how fit they are, matching, the infection rate, and the mortality rate. As patients get older, it may be tougher at some centers and for some folks to do it. There are some real limitations.

The other problem is that out of all of our patients, the vast majority are not going to transplant. Improvements are being made with transplants every day. Haploidentical transplant, which is a half match, is becoming more of a standard, so that gives the donor pool exponentially more options.

Trying to reduce graft versus host disease, which are complications after the transplant, with medicines are revolutionizing the field.

As I’ve traveled all over the world, people can do stem cell transplants in economically diverse situations. The transplant procedure itself can be highly expensive. Interestingly, even though cost-effectiveness is an issue, in some locales, if you can do a transplant and potentially cure the disease, it can lead to an improvement in socioeconomic status overall.

There are some cool, important things happening. But it’s an important point that even with all the excitement of these medicines and medicine combos, we’re still not at the point where we’re talking about a cure, so if you have the availability and indication for transplant, you have to pursue that consideration.

We have brand new approaches that we didn’t have a few years ago. There is a lot of data and science, so there’s hope.

Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju

Final Takeaways

Ruth: Let’s put all of this together. For those of us living with myelofibrosis or others who are concerned about progressing to myelofibrosis, what do you want to leave them with? When you total up everything we’ve talked about, how do you want to leave the conversation?

Dr. Pemmaraju: This discussion was very exciting because it left me with even more hope than when I started the day. I would leave our patients, caregivers, family members, advocates, and stakeholders with a message of hope and positivity. It’s not blind hope and positivity. It’s not based on hunches or ideas. It’s based on data.

The last three years in particular, I would call it — and I do not use this phrase lightly — a golden era for research for the MPN, specifically including myelofibrosis.

There are four areas to highlight and to be very excited about for our patients and families. First is the development of new JAK inhibitors. We mentioned the four that are already approved in the US, so let’s get them available all over the world. There are several more in clinical development.

Second is the JAK inhibitor combinations. Very exciting data from ASH. Let’s see the new combinations. Maturing data for navitoclax, pelabresib, and selinexor.

A third area of excitement and hope is that of anemia-improving agents.

Finally, the delineation, description, and demonstration of brand-new molecular pathways inside the cells that were never known before. New insights and ways of approaching. We mentioned potential immune therapy approaches, like the CALR mutation. It’s exciting that we have brand new approaches that we didn’t have a few years ago. There is a lot of data and science, so there’s hope.

Ruth: Dr. Pemmaraju, thanks so much for being with us today. You’re always a pleasure to talk to and so informative to our guests. We really appreciate your time.

Dr. Pemmaraju: Thank you so much for having me. This was a very thought-provoking and stimulating discussion.

Special thanks again to GSK and AbbVie for their support of our independent patient education content. The Patient Story retains full editorial control.

More Medical Expert Interviews

Using AI to Detect Lung Cancer Risks With Dr. Lecia Sequist

Using AI to Detect Lung Cancer Risks Dr. Lecia Sequist discusses using AI to detect lung...

Read More

Trends in Cancer Research 2022

Learn from three of the top cancer specialists about cancer treatment trends, including precision medicine...

Read More

The Role of Bispecific Antibodies in the Treatment of Multiple Myeloma

The Role of Bispecific Antibodies in the Treatment of Multiple Myeloma Hematologist Alfred Garfall, MD, MS...

Read More

The Latest in Multiple Myeloma: Understanding Promising Treatment Options

The Latest in Multiple Myeloma: Understanding Promising Treatment Options Patient advocates Cindy Chmielewski and Jack Aiello...

Read More

The Latest in Multiple Myeloma with Caitlin Costello, MD

Dr. Costello discusses the latest in multiple myeloma treatment from ASH 2022, including the MAIA...

Read More

The Latest in Multiple Myeloma Treatments

The Latest in Multiple Myeloma Treatments: What Clinical Trials are Available to Me? Patient advocate Cindy...

Read More

The Latest in Lung Cancer Treatments

The Latest in Lung Cancer Treatments: Is a Clinical Trial Right for Me? Leading experts Estelamari...

Read More

The Latest in Hodgkin Lymphoma: Treatment Options in 2024

The Latest in Hodgkin Lymphoma: Treatment Options in 2024 Dr. Matthew Matasar, chief of blood disorders...

Read More

The Latest in Hodgkin Lymphoma

Matthew Matasar, MD, MS Dr. Matthew Matasar, chief of blood disorders at the Rutgers Cancer Institute...

Read More

The Latest in Genetic Testing in 2023

Abigail and Sue sat down with The Patient Story to discuss FORCE, the genetic component...

Read More

The Latest in Breast Cancer Patient Research

Lesley and Dr. Roberson sat down with The Patient Story to discuss patient research and...

Read More

Testicular Cancer: What Patients Need to Know

Testicular Cancer: What Patients Need to Know Medical oncologist Alok Tewari, MD, PhD, who specializes in...

Read More

SABCS 2022 Highlights

SABCS 2022 Highlights Top breast cancer doctors Dr. Paolo Tarantino with Dana-Farber Cancer Institute and Dr...

Read More

Relapsed/Refractory Multiple Myeloma Highlights from ASH 2022

Relapsed/Refractory Multiple Myeloma Highlights from ASH 2022 Multiple myeloma specialists Dr. Ajai Chari with Mount Sinai...

Read More

Pathologists: The Unseen Doctors of Your Medical Team

Pathologists: The Unseen Doctors of Your Medical Team Hematopathologist Kamran Mirza, MD, PhD, explains more about...

Read More

Optimizing Quality of Life: Reducing Toxicity in Hodgkin Lymphoma Care

Optimizing Quality of Life: Reducing Toxicity in Hodgkin Lymphoma Care Dr. Andy Evens from Rutgers Cancer...

Read More

Newly Diagnosed Multiple Myeloma Highlights from ASH 2022

Newly Diagnosed Multiple Myeloma Highlights from ASH 2022 Dr. Caitlin Costello and Dr. Sagar Lonial discuss...

Read More

Myelofibrosis Highlights from ASH 2022

Myelofibrosis Highlights from ASH 2022 Dr. Serge Verstovsek and Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju discuss cutting-edge treatments and...

Read More

Multiple Myeloma in 2023

Multiple Myeloma in 2023 Long-time myeloma patient and advocate, Jack Aiello, leads the conversation with Dr...

Read More

Monsanto Roundup Trials Update

Chadi Nabhan, MD, MBA Dr. Chadi Nabhan shares how he got involved in the Monsanto trials...

Read More

Lynch Syndrome: What Patients Need to Know

Lynch Syndrome: What Patients Need to Know Medical oncologist Michael Hall, MD, MS, discusses Lynch syndrome...

Read More

Lola Fayanju, MD, MA

Dr. Fayanju, MD, MA Role: Chief, Division of Breast Surgery Focus: Breast Cancer Provider:...

Read More

Let’s Talk CLL: Patients & Doctors Discuss the Latest LIVE – Transcript

Let’s Talk CLL: Patients & Doctors Discuss the Latest LIVE Patients, care partners, and a panel...

Read More

How to Work With a CLL Specialist

How to Build a Strong CLL Team Nicole Lamanna, MD, from Columbia University Medical Center, Spencer...

Read More

How Long Can You Live with Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia

How Long Can You Live with Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia? Dr. Adam Kittai and Dr. Joanna...

Read More

High-Risk Smoldering Multiple Myeloma Highlights from ASH 2022

High-Risk Smoldering Multiple Myeloma Highlights from ASH 2022 Patient advocate Jack Aiello and hematologist Dr. Shaji...

Read More

Health Insurance and Cancer Treatment

Health Insurance and Cancer Treatment Abigail Johnston, a metastatic breast cancer patient and lawyer, talks about...

Read More

Financial Toxicity of Cancer Treatment

Financial Toxicity of Cancer Treatment Dr. Fumiko Chino opens up about her late husband’s diagnosis and...

Read More

DLBCL: The Latest in Treatment and Research

DLBCL: The Latest in Treatment and Research Discover the latest DLBCL treatments from two top lymphoma...

Read More

DLBCL in 2023

DLBCL in 2023 The Patient Story founder and DLBCL advocate Stephanie Chuang leads the conversation with...

Read More

Colorectal Cancer in Young Adults

Toufic Kachaamy,MD Role: Chief of Medicine and Director of Gastroenterology Focus: endoscopic oncologyProvider: City of Hope...

Read More

CLL Highlights from ASH 2022

CLL Highlights from ASH 2022 Patient advocate Andrew Schorr and hematologist Dr. Nitin Jain discuss the...

Read More

Black Myeloma Patients: Access & Disparities

Research on Black Myeloma Patients, Access & Disparities Patient advocate Valarie Traynham and Dr. Shakira Grant...

Read More

The Latest in Myelofibrosis

Understanding Promising Treatment Options

Edited by:
Katrina Villareal

Following the American Society of Hematology Annual Meeting (ASH), Dr. Raajit Rampal of Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center, Dr. Gabriela Hobbs of Mass General Cancer Center, and patient advocate Ruth Fein explore new treatment options.

Learn about success stories, dispel myths about experimental drugs, and understand the broader impact of trial participation on advancing MPN treatments.

Find out about the latest options for myelofibrosis patients, how to deal with myelofibrosis symptoms, and how factors like age, mutation status, treatment history, and personal preferences inform your treatment.

Learn about how the latest advancements may affect your care and get updates on exciting news about the pace and progress of myelofibrosis treatments.

The myelofibrosis panelists discuss momelotinib, fedratinib, selinexor, pelabresib, navitoclax, and other myelofibrosis treatments.

Thank you to GSK and Karyopharm for their support of our patient education program! The Patient Story retains full editorial control over all content.

This interview has been edited for clarity. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider for treatment decisions.

Introduction

Stephanie Chuang, The Patient Story Founder

Stephanie Chuang: I’m the founder of The Patient Story and, more importantly, I also got a blood cancer diagnosis of non-Hodgkin lymphoma a few years ago.

We have so many shared experiences in what we’re looking for and that’s what The Patient Story is all about.

We try to help patients and care partners navigate a cancer diagnosis primarily through in-depth conversations with patients, care partners, and top cancer specialists, like the ones you’ll hear from today. 

I want to give special thanks to GSK and Karyopharm for supporting our educational program. Their support helps programs like this more available and free for our audience. But we do want to note The Patient Story retains full editorial control of this entire program. A quick reminder that this is not meant to be a substitute for medical advice. 

Our patient moderator is Ruth Fein Revell. Ruth, can you share a little bit more about your story and how you became such a passionate advocate in this space?

Ruth Fein Revell, MPN Patient Advocate

Ruth Fein Revell: Welcome, and thank you for joining us. I’m Ruth Fein, a health and science writer. I’m also a patient and a patient advocate who’s been living with a myeloproliferative neoplasm of one type or another for almost 30 years.

I was diagnosed with essential thrombocythemia when I was 38 years old and raising two young boys. I had had symptoms for many years, but they were disregarded or misdiagnosed. The most troublesome of which was severe, debilitating headaches with blind spots where I literally couldn’t work for hours at a time. I also had bone pain that I experienced for years.

What started as essential thrombocythemia transitioned to polycythemia vera and then progressed to myelofibrosis, which is where I am now. I’m very fortunate to be on a clinical trial that’s working so well that my life is wonderful. I also recognize that everyone isn’t in the same position as I am as there are a lot of people who suffer greatly from myelofibrosis.

I’m speaking with two world-renowned experts in MPNs, Dr. Raajit Rampal of Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center and Dr. Gabriela Hobbs of Dana-Farber/Harvard Cancer Center. Both of you are very, very involved in the patient community and giving back through your knowledge and also taking time to do interviews like this so thank you for that.

We’ll dig into what’s been reported recently at ASH, the annual meeting of the American Society of Hematology where a lot of reports come out. Some of them are quite exciting.

Raajit K. Rampal, MD, PhD

Ruth: Dr. Rampal, give us a little bit of your background, why and how you became interested in MPNs, as well as what your practice looks at.

Dr. Raajit Rampal: I’m a physician-scientist and I lead the MPN program at MSK.

My interest came from the biology side. I’ve been working with Ross Levine for a number of years on the lab side. It became clinically interesting based on what I was learning in the lab so I’ve taken on clinical practice and doing clinical trials for patients in MPN.

This is a field with such an unmet need for effective therapies. Wanting to be at the forefront of that and trying to deliver change where it’s needed have always driven what I want to do. This was the perfect intersection of my scientific and clinical interests.

Gabriela S. Hobbs, MD

Ruth: Dr. Hobbs, would you tell us a little bit about yourself and how your interest in MPNs began?

Dr. Gabriela Hobbs: I am the clinical director of the leukemia service as well as the MPN program at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston. I’ve always been interested in hematology as far as I can remember, and I was very fortunate to do fellowship training with Dr. Rampal.

For me, myeloproliferative neoplasms in particular are such a rewarding group of patients to take care of. It merges everything that I love about being a physician. I can have very longitudinal as well as very intimate patient relationships with the patients whom I take care of. From the clinical perspective, I found taking care of patients incredibly rewarding and also very varied.

From the scientific perspective, when I was an undergraduate student, we started seeing some of these oral-targeted agents being approved and I knew that was something I wanted to be involved in for my career.

Being a clinical investigator who’s able to see clinicians like Raajit Rampal doing investigations in the lab, finding new targets and new drugs, and being the person who helps take that to clinical trials to the patients is incredibly rewarding.

The most common symptom of patients with myelofibrosis is fatigue, which is probably one of the reasons why myelofibrosis and the other MPNs sometimes take a while to get diagnosed.

Dr. Gabriela Hobbs

Symptoms of Myelofibrosis

Ruth: Myelofibrosis is rare. Some practitioners don’t see very many MF patients. Some patients who are diagnosed with myelofibrosis don’t have enough information or are misguided at times. What do you each see as the major symptoms of myelofibrosis?

Dr. Hobbs: Myelofibrosis is a disease that can present in many different ways. I certainly see completely asymptomatic patients. Their doctor noticed that they had some abnormalities in their blood counts or maybe the patient themself noted that their abdomen felt a little bit different. Patients are on the spectrum of either not having a lot of symptoms or having lots and lots of symptoms.

I would say the most common symptom of patients with myelofibrosis is fatigue, which is probably one of the reasons why myelofibrosis and the other MPNs sometimes take a while to get diagnosed. Other symptoms that we see a lot of are itching, night sweats, fevers, and unintentional weight loss.

Dr. Rampal: Part of the challenge is whether those symptoms are communicated in visits with physicians. Part of that involves us asking the right questions or, at least, training our colleagues to ask the right questions because not everybody is forthcoming about their symptoms. The alternative is that they get so used to their symptoms that it’s the new normal for them and that is sometimes the tougher part of trying to understand how somebody is doing.

Dr. Hobbs: Occasionally, there may be some patients who feel like there are certain symptoms that they wouldn’t bring up to an oncologist. When I meet a patient for the first time and go down my checklist of MPN symptoms, I’ll ask them about itching and they’d say, “How did you know?” We’re fortunate in the MPN world to have these forms that have been validated to help us ask about symptoms that we know are very common in patients with MPN so that we don’t miss anything.

There’s a whole spectrum of symptoms patients can experience.

Dr. Raajit Rampal

Dr. Rampal: Myelofibrosis is a disease of the bone marrow where you have mutated cells that start to grow and take over the bone marrow. They cause inflammation and we think the inflammation causes scarring in the bone marrow. As that happens, the bone marrow starts to contract and is unable to make blood cells. Blood cells start to go into the liver and the spleen to try to produce blood so those organs get larger and cause symptoms.

The inflammation that causes the scarring and damage in the bone marrow also causes people to have symptoms. Those include getting fatigued, losing weight unexpectedly, and having bone pain and aches. There’s a whole spectrum of symptoms patients can experience, but those are among the most common.

That’s how we think about myelofibrosis and how we think about the disease getting worse. We look at blood counts. If people’s blood counts are getting worse, that’s a sign of disease progression. If their spleens or livers are getting larger or they’re feeling worse, all of those are signs of the disease progressing.

There were two phase 3 studies presented about myelofibrosis, the navitoclax and pelabresib studies.

Dr. Gabriela Hobbs

ASH 2023 Updates on Myelofibrosis Treatments

Ruth: We all know there’s been such an explosion in advances in myelofibrosis in recent years. Dr. Hobbs, what came out of ASH 2023 that you’re most excited about?

Dr. Hobbs: It’s exciting. I can’t remember participating in an ASH conference where there were two phase 3 studies presented about myelofibrosis, the navitoclax and pelabresib studies. That in and of itself was a reflection of how far the field has come. We’re now presenting phase 3 studies on drugs that may get approved.

Dr. Rampal: I totally agree. When have we had two phase 3 studies read out? I can’t remember if that’s ever even been the case simultaneously. Thinking about this in the context of our patient audience, this is a clear sign of progress in the field.

Let’s separate that idea from what happens from a regulatory standpoint. You have to get to this point. This is where the finish line is. It is incredibly encouraging that we’ve got drugs to this point of phase 3 where we may have definitive results that could lead to approvals.

What we can probably say, at least with both drugs, is that they have activity in the disease. There’s no question. What happens from here, of course, is up to the FDA. But I’m encouraged by this. I think these drugs have the potential to make a difference for patients so this is exciting.

The combination (ruxolitinib and navitoclax) led to a very dramatic improvement in spleen volume reduction in patients compared to patients who were treated with ruxolitinib alone.

Dr. Gabriela Hobbs

Dr. Hobbs: Both of these studies were phase 3 studies, as Dr. Rampal mentioned. The navitoclax study was the TRANSFORM study that compared ruxolitinib alone to ruxolitinib and navitoclax. They wanted to see if the combination of the two drugs was more effective at improving spleen volume response as well as improving the symptoms of myelofibrosis patients.

They found that the combination led to a very dramatic improvement in spleen volume reduction in patients compared to patients who were treated with ruxolitinib alone. The symptom endpoint was more difficult, as it seemed like symptom improvement was similar with the combination of navitoclax and ruxolitinib compared to ruxolitinib alone.

My take on that is it’s not entirely surprising that a drug like navitoclax would not improve the symptoms, but it certainly didn’t make patients feel worse. I think that’s important when you think about combination therapy as well. I wouldn’t consider that an entirely negative endpoint.

Why should patients care about how big the spleen is and how much it shrinks? That is one of the few things we know that correlates with survival.

Dr. Raajit Rampal

Dr. Rampal: Let me build off of something that Dr. Hobbs said. Symptoms are important to patients and that has to be part of any of our treatment arsenals. But as you said, we want to get drugs that alter the trajectory of the disease and not simply focus on symptom reduction. That has to be part of the conversation going forward as we think about new drugs in this space.

How much weight do we put on symptom reduction as something that we, as a community or the FDA, should fixate on? As long as the drug is not making people feel worse, if it’s doing other things for patients, then maybe that’s where the win is if you will.

About pelabresib, this is a study of the combination of pelabresib, which is a BET inhibitor, plus ruxolitinib versus ruxolitinib alone. The study looked at whether patients had a greater degree of spleen shrinkage with the combination or ruxolitinib alone.

The answer was unequivocally yes. Patients who got the combination had a much greater spleen response, 65% versus 30%.

Why is that important? Why should patients care about how big the spleen is and how much it shrinks? That is one of the few things we know that correlates with survival. We’ve known from the time of ruxolitinib. Spleen shrinkage correlates with overall survival, which is something we all care about deeply.

There was a trend toward the symptoms getting better with the combination. It wasn’t quite statistically significant, but it was certainly a trend that favored the combination.

Importantly, it didn’t add toxicity. We didn’t see that there were any new major signs of toxicity with the two drugs versus one. In oncology, we worry about that all the time. If you add another drug, you may add toxicity, but that wasn’t the case here. From that standpoint, I’m very encouraged by both data sets.

A big takeaway from having all these drugs is that we shouldn’t wait for people to get that sick. We should treat earlier on.

Dr. Raajit Rampal

Treatment Sequencing

Ruth: Dr. Rampal, as we talk about more options available both today and in the future, one of the things that comes up often, especially for higher-risk MF, is sequencing. What are we learning about optimizing the new drugs and combination drug therapies, including determining when and how to switch therapies?

Dr. Rampal: The answer is we don’t know. The broader context of this is that we have more options so that has two implications.

Historically, there’s been a reluctance to start therapy because you didn’t have anything else. If you were in a world where there was only ruxolitinib and it stopped working, what were you going to do? That’s not true anymore.

A big takeaway from having all these drugs is that we shouldn’t wait for people to get that sick. We should treat earlier on. What is earlier on? There’s some ambiguity there, but I think that is one of the implications of having a lot more drugs.

The reality is we’re going to learn how to use these drugs as we go along. There isn’t a great deal of data. We have data on switching from ruxolitinib to fedratinib. We know what happens and how people do when you do that, but do we have data for the other drugs?

If we start going from momelotinib to ruxolitinib, we don’t have the granular data for that. Those are things we’re going to figure out in practice, probably over the next 1 to 2 years, I’d say.

Now that we have four approved JAK inhibitors, there’s no reason to feel like somebody needs to wait for symptoms from their spleen or their disease.

Dr. Gabriela Hobbs

Dr. Hobbs: The point that Dr. Rampal made is so important, especially when we think about what he said about one of the things that we know in myelofibrosis, which is a smaller spleen equals better outcomes.

An important message for patients is exactly what Dr. Rampal said. Now that we have four approved JAK inhibitors, there’s no reason to feel like somebody needs to wait for symptoms from their spleen or their disease because we do have a lot of options.

Now that we have a lot of options, it became a situation where all of us are calling each other and asking, “How do you switch from this one to the other? Have you had a good experience?”

Sometimes, the clinical trials don’t necessarily translate to what we do in clinical practice. Many clinical trials require that patients be completely off of a JAK inhibitor before they switch to the other, which is something that, in practice, probably neither of us would ever really feel like doing. Over the next year, it’s something that we’re going to have some publications about to help guide the broader community to do that safely.

What these data have shown with the FREEDOM trials is that you can better manage gastrointestinal toxicity and that it does get better over time.

Dr. Raajit Rampal

ASH 2023 Updates on Fedratinib

Ruth: Dr. Rampal, what did we learn about fedratinib at ASH 2023?

Dr. Rampal: The most updated data was the FREEDOM2 study, which looked at fedratinib in patients who have been on ruxolitinib. There were earlier trials that looked at the same question, like the JAKARTA2 trial.

When fedratinib was being studied early on, it was seen that there was a lot of gastrointestinal toxicity, like nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea, which was experienced by the majority of patients.

There have been two subsequent trials with fedratinib, the FREEDOM trials, where they aggressively tried to manage the symptoms from the get-go. They didn’t wait for people to get sick or have nausea or diarrhea. When they prescribe the drug, they say, “When you start the drug, if you start to feel nausea, you’re going to take this medication or if any diarrhea starts, you’re going to take this medication.” You don’t let these symptoms get out of control.

What these data have shown with the FREEDOM trials is that you can better manage gastrointestinal toxicity and that it does get better over time. Is that still a side effect that we have to be concerned about? Yes, but it is something that we can manage in most cases if we’re aggressive about doing that upfront and the expectation is that it will get better over time.

The data (on selinexor) is still in earlier stages so I’m waiting to see if this agent is well-tolerated by patients.

Dr. Gabriela Hobbs

ASH 2023 Updates on Selinexor

Ruth: Dr. Hobbs, what about selinexor?

Dr. Hobbs: Selinexor has been interesting as well. This is a newer agent that we’ve started to see some preliminary results on and they presented their data also in combination with ruxolitinib. This agent seems to have very impressive responses in terms of shrinking the spleen and improving symptoms as well.

The data is still in earlier stages so I’m waiting to see if this agent is well-tolerated by patients. We’ll have to see how the later studies will pan out, but it’s still exciting.

Having this fourth agent will be very helpful in the management of patients with MF, especially patients who have anemia and aren’t able to get a bone marrow transplant.

Dr. Gabriela Hobbs

ASH 2023 Updates on Momelotinib

Ruth: There’s an unmet need for the treatment of anemia for patients with MPN, specifically myelofibrosis, which brings us to momelotinib and a few others.

Dr. Hobbs: We’ve mentioned that there are now four JAK inhibitors that are approved for the treatment of myelofibrosis. We have pacritinib, ruxolitinib, fedratinib, and momelotinib, which was approved at the end of September 2023.

Momelotinib is a JAK inhibitor that was approved a little bit differently than the others. Its main indication is for patients who have myelofibrosis and anemia. Anemia has been an unmet need in the management of myelofibrosis so it’s exciting to have a drug like momelotinib that can help anemia and also a drug like pacritinib that can also help anemia in a subset of patients.

In my practice, I’ve noticed that since the approval of this agent, there have been many patients, especially those who are active online, in their communities, and in patient advocacy organizations, who have been excited or eager to switch to this medication.

I do think that having this fourth agent will be very helpful in the management of patients with MF, especially patients who have anemia and aren’t able to get a bone marrow transplant.

When we have patients with myelofibrosis who have anemia, it’s important to consider if a bone marrow transplant is the right therapy. But for those who can’t receive that therapy, momelotinib takes care of a lot of the parts of the disease that we worry about, like the symptoms, the spleen, and the low red blood cell numbers.

In some cases, they take patients who are relying on transfusions and convert them to not needing a transfusion, which is important in terms of survival.

Dr. Raajit Rampal

Dr. Rampal: There is so much going on in anemia in this disease, it’s remarkable. It’s a problem for which we had no good solutions until very recently.

As you mentioned, momelotinib and pacritinib also seem to have an effect in a proportion of patients where they can increase the hemoglobin. In some cases, they take patients who are relying on transfusions and convert them to not needing a transfusion, which is important in terms of survival.

We know that that correlates with survival, but it’s also quality of life. If you have a patient who’s getting stuck in the transfusion chair for 4 to 6 hours a week or more and that is no longer an issue, that is immensely important to their quality of life. It’s an important problem.

There are some other drugs in development and that includes a drug called luspatercept, which is FDA-approved for myelodysplastic syndrome. There are also some other drugs from a few other companies that are anemia-specific and there was some data presented at ASH on them. There are early signs of efficacy. Too early to say anything definitively, but at least it looks like these are drugs that will be studied further.

What’s been practice-changing is having the approval of the last JAK inhibitor, which is momelotinib.

Dr. Gabriela Hobbs

Practice-Changing Updates

Ruth: We talked about what’s happened in the lab, what’s in the drug approval process, what’s recently been approved, and where our needs still are. What came out of ASH that you think is truly practice-changing immediately or in the near future?

Dr. Hobbs: What was very exciting was seeing the two phase 3 studies. Although those two drugs, pelabresib and navitoclax, are still not approved, they are potentially closer to our doorstep and something that we will have to have conversations about how to use.

Do we use them in combination with the JAK inhibitor that they were studied with? Do we use them with other JAK inhibitors? How do we think about sequencing when we’re talking about combination? Although neither of these agents is approved, these are questions that need to be discussed.

What’s been practice-changing is having the approval of the last JAK inhibitor, which is momelotinib. We now have four drugs that we can prescribe to our patients when we see them in the clinic, especially those who have anemia.

There are so many drugs coming down the pipeline and showing interesting activity, especially some of those showing activity by themselves.

Dr. Gabriela Hobbs

Personalizing Myelofibrosis Treatment

Ruth: The drugs and the studies we’ve talked about are all very exciting, but what other treatments are you excited to share with patients to help you personalize treatment?

Dr. Hobbs: We’ve discussed the MANIFEST and TRANSFORM studies looking at combination studies in phase 3. There are so many drugs that are being evaluated and it’s been very exciting to be at an ASH where we hear about so many different mechanisms of action being explored. Many of those are by themselves and some of them are now getting to the point where they’re used in combination.

To mention a few, there was a compound called a PIM1 kinase inhibitor, another one that inhibits lysyl oxidase, which is a group of enzymes that have to do with making fibrosis or scarring happen in the bone marrow, and an LSD1 inhibitor called bomedemstat.

There are so many drugs coming down the pipeline and showing interesting activity, especially some of those showing activity by themselves. Generally speaking, when we have new drugs that are not JAK inhibitors used by themselves, we rarely see a lot of clinical activity so I thought that that was exciting.

Individualized medicine is the holy grail and there’s a lot of different ways to think about it. There’s how we use the drugs we have now and what some of the newer drugs may be able to do for us.

Dr. Raajit Rampal

Dr. Rampal: There is this whole pipeline of things coming forward, which is amazing for this field. We spent some time talking about the top-line phase 3. But as Dr. Hobbs mentioned, there are all of these drugs that are in early development that are showing us that they may be able to do something. Even beyond what we have, some things are part of the big picture here.

Individualized medicine is the holy grail and there’s a lot of different ways to think about it. There’s how we use the drugs we have now and what some of the newer drugs may be able to do for us.

A key example of this is calreticulin. There’s been a focus on this. There are drugs in investigation that are specific antibodies that target calreticulin. That could be a game-changer if those things work. Pre-clinically, there’s good rationale. Imagine a future where if those drugs are effective, then for calreticulin-mutant patients, this is what we use. We have a drug that targets your mutation. That is where we want to be.

Of course, other mutations occur in the disease and we’ve already started trying to do personalized medicine for patients. Some patients have an IDH mutation that occurs typically in people with more advanced diseases.

We’ve completed a trial where we used a JAK inhibitor plus an IDH inhibitor. IDH inhibitors are FDA-approved for people with leukemia and we’ve combined those drugs and seen very good results. That’s an example of genetically-informed personalized medicine, but there’s also how you use the drugs we have in practice.

Dr. Hobbs: We’ve mentioned a few times that we have four different JAK inhibitors and it’s important to know which patients those are going to help. Are there certain situations where we should use one JAK inhibitor versus another?

At ASH 2023, we saw an update on a similar study that was published recently by the folks who looked at pacritinib. They found that patients who have a symptom improvement of greater than 10% had an improvement in survival, which is similar to what they showed recently with patients on pacritinib having a survival benefit if they also had a spleen volume reduction.

Again, that goes to the theme that we were saying. It’s important to use these drugs and make sure that those drugs are doing what they’re supposed to be doing for the patient. We have endpoints that help patients not only to live better but hopefully to live longer. That can also help the practicing doctor to say this drug is not meeting those endpoints. It’s not helping my patient have an improvement in their spleen or their symptoms. We have other drugs that we should we should think about switching to.

One of the areas where there’s a lot of interest is looking at pre-fibrotic myelofibrosis or early myelofibrosis to see if we can get to the disease earlier before a lot of scarring develops.

Dr. Gabriela Hobbs

ASH 2023 Updates on Interferon

Ruth: There was an interesting study presented at ASH about interferon-α versus hydroxyurea, which is the oldest of the drugs still used for myelofibrosis or MPNs. This study was in untreated MPN patients who were unable to take ruxolitinib. What did we learn?

Dr. Hobbs: Several abstracts were presented with interferon. One was the updated results of the DALIAH study comparing pegylated interferon to hydroxyurea for patients with earlier disease essential thrombocythemia and polycythemia vera. There was also another study looking at earlier myelofibrosis, like pre-fibrotic myelofibrosis.

There’s been a lot of interest in looking at interferons in general across the spectrum of the disease. One of the areas where there’s a lot of interest is looking at pre-fibrotic myelofibrosis or early myelofibrosis to see if we can get to the disease earlier before a lot of scarring develops.

If we look at all the characteristics of the patients who had stable disease for years versus those who progressed, is there a difference that AI can say if you look at these particular parameters, this is a warning sign?

Dr. Raajit Rampal

Artificial Intelligence in Hematology

Ruth: There was a fascinating presentation on the use of artificial intelligence, specifically to differentiate between essential thrombocythemia and pre-fibrotic primary myelofibrosis. Is that something that you see coming into practice or are we way off on that?

Dr. Rampal: We’ll level set by talking about what we mean by AI, which neither of us are experts in. One of the powers of AI is to take broad sets of data and identify patterns. That is a very simplistic way of thinking about the many things that AI can do and is built to do. It can take thousands of variables and find patterns that humans aren’t going to be able to find in real time.

This is an example of what you’re talking about. If you took thousands of bone marrow samples and you said that clinically, these people look like ET, but based on the other parameters that we have, these people look like myelofibrosis. Is AI going to be able to better discriminate versus a human and say this pattern better fits the ET pattern and that pattern better fits the MF pattern?

It will help us refine some of the key characteristics of the disease. The hope is that it may also give us some clues for things like progression if you look at the pattern of a lot of patients. We’re talking about thousands of patients and if we look at all the characteristics of the patients who had stable disease for years versus those who progressed, is there a difference that AI can say if you look at these particular parameters, this is a warning sign? That I think is part of where we think this is going to go.

There are lots of great resources online where, as a patient, you can advocate for yourself to recommend different treatments to your provider to make sure that you’re getting the most updated care.

Dr. Gabriela Hobbs

How Patients Can Be More Proactive in Their Treatment

Ruth: Now that we’ve heard updates out of ASH 2023, what can a patient bring to their community hematology-oncologist as opposed to waiting for it to trickle down? What are some of the ways that a patient can be more proactive with knowing what we now know?

Dr. Hobbs: If you’re a patient or a family member of a patient, you’re already taking those steps that are so important. It’s important to remember that myeloproliferative neoplasms are rare diseases so not everybody has access to subspecialized care.

What’s incredible about the MPN community is that the group of clinicians who treat MPN and are doing research in MPN are extremely committed and passionate about treating these diseases. We’re excited to work with industry partners who are similarly very passionate about finding new therapies for these diseases.

There are lots of great resources online where, as a patient, you can advocate for yourself to recommend different treatments to your provider to make sure that you’re getting the most updated care.

It’s worth asking your physician: when is it time for me to get started on treatment? If you are at the point of needing treatment, it may be worth getting a consultation in a center where there’s a lot of experience.

Dr. Raajit Rampal

Dr. Rampal: If you’re a patient who’s being cared for in the community, it’s worth asking your physician: when is it time for me to get started on treatment? This is an evolving space. We’re more and more convinced that earlier may be more beneficial, but there is a danger in waiting too long.

If you are at the point of needing treatment, it may be worth getting a consultation in a center where there’s a lot of experience. We, who are focused on this, have the forefront of the developments at our fingertips. Doctors in the community setting are busy seeing a lot of different types of cancers. They have to keep up on all of this and they may not have immediate access to that information.

If it is time to get treated, it may be worth a consultation at least to say, “Is this the right thing? Or is there a compelling clinical trial that maybe may make more sense right in the current era?”

We’re bringing back hope. We’ve seen more developments at ASH 2023 than in maybe any prior in the last ten years that I can think of. That’s not unimportant.

Ruth: That’s a very hopeful message. We seem to say that every year but maybe now even more than ever.

Conclusion

Ruth: From a patient perspective, one of the themes that came out of ASH 2023 is all these new approaches to old diseases. It’s not that we’ve discovered new diseases. It’s that these are diseases and patients who have not had solutions for so long or our options have been so limited and now there are more and more options.

Thank you both so much for your time, Dr. Hobbs and Dr. Rampal. Always my pleasure.

Stephanie: Thank you so much, Ruth, for being our incredible patient advocate and moderator. Also to Drs. Hobbs and Rampal for the work and research you do to help move the landscape of myelofibrosis options. 

We hope that you walk away with a better understanding of the latest treatments and clinical trials in myelofibrosis. They may or may not be right for you, but it is our goal to make sure you feel empowered to make a decision for yourself.

Thank you and we hope to see you again at a future program at The Patient Story.

Special thanks again to GSK and Karyopharm for their support of our independent patient education content. The Patient Story retains full editorial control.

More Medical Expert Interviews

Using AI to Detect Lung Cancer Risks With Dr. Lecia Sequist

Using AI to Detect Lung Cancer Risks Dr. Lecia Sequist discusses using AI to detect lung...

Read More

Trends in Cancer Research 2022

Learn from three of the top cancer specialists about cancer treatment trends, including precision medicine...

Read More

The Role of Bispecific Antibodies in the Treatment of Multiple Myeloma

The Role of Bispecific Antibodies in the Treatment of Multiple Myeloma Hematologist Alfred Garfall, MD, MS...

Read More

The Latest in Multiple Myeloma: Understanding Promising Treatment Options

The Latest in Multiple Myeloma: Understanding Promising Treatment Options Patient advocates Cindy Chmielewski and Jack Aiello...

Read More

The Latest in Multiple Myeloma with Caitlin Costello, MD

Dr. Costello discusses the latest in multiple myeloma treatment from ASH 2022, including the MAIA...

Read More

The Latest in Multiple Myeloma Treatments

The Latest in Multiple Myeloma Treatments: What Clinical Trials are Available to Me? Patient advocate Cindy...

Read More

The Latest in Lung Cancer Treatments

The Latest in Lung Cancer Treatments: Is a Clinical Trial Right for Me? Leading experts Estelamari...

Read More

The Latest in Hodgkin Lymphoma: Treatment Options in 2024

The Latest in Hodgkin Lymphoma: Treatment Options in 2024 Dr. Matthew Matasar, chief of blood disorders...

Read More

The Latest in Hodgkin Lymphoma

Matthew Matasar, MD, MS Dr. Matthew Matasar, chief of blood disorders at the Rutgers Cancer Institute...

Read More

The Latest in Genetic Testing in 2023

Abigail and Sue sat down with The Patient Story to discuss FORCE, the genetic component...

Read More

The Latest in Breast Cancer Patient Research

Lesley and Dr. Roberson sat down with The Patient Story to discuss patient research and...

Read More

Testicular Cancer: What Patients Need to Know

Testicular Cancer: What Patients Need to Know Medical oncologist Alok Tewari, MD, PhD, who specializes in...

Read More

SABCS 2022 Highlights

SABCS 2022 Highlights Top breast cancer doctors Dr. Paolo Tarantino with Dana-Farber Cancer Institute and Dr...

Read More

Relapsed/Refractory Multiple Myeloma Highlights from ASH 2022

Relapsed/Refractory Multiple Myeloma Highlights from ASH 2022 Multiple myeloma specialists Dr. Ajai Chari with Mount Sinai...

Read More

Pathologists: The Unseen Doctors of Your Medical Team

Pathologists: The Unseen Doctors of Your Medical Team Hematopathologist Kamran Mirza, MD, PhD, explains more about...

Read More

Optimizing Quality of Life: Reducing Toxicity in Hodgkin Lymphoma Care

Optimizing Quality of Life: Reducing Toxicity in Hodgkin Lymphoma Care Dr. Andy Evens from Rutgers Cancer...

Read More

Newly Diagnosed Multiple Myeloma Highlights from ASH 2022

Newly Diagnosed Multiple Myeloma Highlights from ASH 2022 Dr. Caitlin Costello and Dr. Sagar Lonial discuss...

Read More

Myelofibrosis Highlights from ASH 2022

Myelofibrosis Highlights from ASH 2022 Dr. Serge Verstovsek and Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju discuss cutting-edge treatments and...

Read More

Multiple Myeloma in 2023

Multiple Myeloma in 2023 Long-time myeloma patient and advocate, Jack Aiello, leads the conversation with Dr...

Read More

Monsanto Roundup Trials Update

Chadi Nabhan, MD, MBA Dr. Chadi Nabhan shares how he got involved in the Monsanto trials...

Read More

Lynch Syndrome: What Patients Need to Know

Lynch Syndrome: What Patients Need to Know Medical oncologist Michael Hall, MD, MS, discusses Lynch syndrome...

Read More

Lola Fayanju, MD, MA

Dr. Fayanju, MD, MA Role: Chief, Division of Breast Surgery Focus: Breast Cancer Provider:...

Read More

Let’s Talk CLL: Patients & Doctors Discuss the Latest LIVE – Transcript

Let’s Talk CLL: Patients & Doctors Discuss the Latest LIVE Patients, care partners, and a panel...

Read More

How to Work With a CLL Specialist

How to Build a Strong CLL Team Nicole Lamanna, MD, from Columbia University Medical Center, Spencer...

Read More

How Long Can You Live with Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia

How Long Can You Live with Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia? Dr. Adam Kittai and Dr. Joanna...

Read More

High-Risk Smoldering Multiple Myeloma Highlights from ASH 2022

High-Risk Smoldering Multiple Myeloma Highlights from ASH 2022 Patient advocate Jack Aiello and hematologist Dr. Shaji...

Read More

Health Insurance and Cancer Treatment

Health Insurance and Cancer Treatment Abigail Johnston, a metastatic breast cancer patient and lawyer, talks about...

Read More

Financial Toxicity of Cancer Treatment

Financial Toxicity of Cancer Treatment Dr. Fumiko Chino opens up about her late husband’s diagnosis and...

Read More

DLBCL: The Latest in Treatment and Research

DLBCL: The Latest in Treatment and Research Discover the latest DLBCL treatments from two top lymphoma...

Read More

DLBCL in 2023

DLBCL in 2023 The Patient Story founder and DLBCL advocate Stephanie Chuang leads the conversation with...

Read More

Colorectal Cancer in Young Adults

Toufic Kachaamy,MD Role: Chief of Medicine and Director of Gastroenterology Focus: endoscopic oncologyProvider: City of Hope...

Read More

CLL Highlights from ASH 2022

CLL Highlights from ASH 2022 Patient advocate Andrew Schorr and hematologist Dr. Nitin Jain discuss the...

Read More

Black Myeloma Patients: Access & Disparities

Research on Black Myeloma Patients, Access & Disparities Patient advocate Valarie Traynham and Dr. Shakira Grant...

Read More

The Latest in Myelofibrosis Treatments

What Clinical Trials are Available to Me?

Edited by:
Katrina Villareal

Myelofibrosis experts Dr. John Mascarenhas (Mount Sinai) and Dr. Tania Jain (Johns Hopkins Medicine), and Clinical Trial Nurse Ashley Giacobbi (The Leukemia & Lymphoma Society) explain cutting-edge therapies. Hosted by The Patient Story Founder Stephanie Chuang and featuring insights from patient advocate Mary Linde, this empowering discussion will help you navigate all aspects of clinical trials.

The myelofibrosis panelists discuss momelotinib, navtemadlin, selinexor, pelabresib, navitoclax, imetelstat, and other myelofibrosis treatments.

Done in partnership with our friends at The Leukemia & Lymphoma Society.

Thank you to GSK and Karyopharm for their support of our patient education program! The Patient Story retains full editorial control over all content.

This interview has been edited for clarity. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider for treatment decisions.

Introduction

Stephanie Chuang, The Patient Story: Hi, everyone! Welcome to the program hosted by The Patient Story and The Leukemia & Lymphoma Society.

I had a different blood cancer, non-Hodgkin lymphoma, and I went through treatment a few years ago, but I’m so passionate about these discussions. So many things are happening in the landscape of changing treatment options and they start with clinical trials.

We hear about clinical trials but the term is so daunting and overwhelming. Our goal is for you to have a much better understanding of what they are in human terms. Maybe some might be right for you that you can ask your own doctors about.

The Patient Story features hundreds of in-depth, authentic patient stories across cancers and we also feature top cancer specialists. Our goal is to humanize cancer and help you navigate life after a diagnosis, whether you’re a patient or a caregiver. You can join our community and you’ll get first access to programs like these with new updates and new stories.

We’re so proud to be co-hosting this with The Leukemia & Lymphoma Society. It is the world’s largest nonprofit health organization dedicated to funding blood cancer research as well as offering patient services and education.

They have great resources if you haven’t checked them out yet. Their information specialists are just a phone call away to help you answer some cancer questions. They also offer help to pay for cancer costs through a co-pay assistance program, like travel to CAR T-cell therapy or clinical trials.

We also want to give special thanks to GSK and Karyopharm for supporting our free, independent patient education program. We want to stress that The Patient Story and The Leukemia & Lymphoma Society retain full editorial control over the entire program.

This is not medical advice and not meant to be a substitute so please make sure to talk to your own healthcare team when you’re making any decisions.

We have incredible panelists for this discussion.

Dr. John Mascarenhas

Stephanie: First up, really lucky to have Dr. John Mascarenhas, professor of medicine at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, director of the Center of Excellence for Blood Cancers and Myeloid Disorders, director of the Adult Leukemia Program, and also leads clinical investigation within the Myeloproliferative Disorders Program.

Dr. Mascarenhas, really appreciate you being here. I heard you describe yourself as being tireless and working nights and weekends to help patients in this space. We really want to understand what drew you to MPNs and to continue to do this work for patients.

Dr. John Mascarenhas: Thanks for having me join you. My interest began in the laboratory doing leukemia research many years ago. It evolved over time into clinical research in which I was introduced to MPNs and I really gravitated towards it. This was at a point where we didn’t have JAK inhibitors.

I was at the right time when the discovery of the JAK2 mutation came out. I got involved in the early development of JAK inhibitors and watched the field blow up. It’s been really exciting and rewarding to see this transition from how we used to treat patients with myelofibrosis and other related MPNs to what it looks like today so I’m very enthusiastic and optimistic about the future.

Stephanie: Thank you, Dr. Mascarenhas. We know that the landscape has shifted very quickly in a short amount of time. Excited to talk about it.

Dr. Tanya Jain

Stephanie: We’re also really excited to have Dr. Tanya Jain here tonight, another MPN specialist. She is an assistant professor of oncology at Johns Hopkins Medicine and director of the Adult CAR-T Cell Therapy Program at the Sidney Kimmel Comprehensive Cancer Center with myeloproliferative disorders as a top area of interest and studying newer drugs in the early phase of development.

Dr. Jain, thank you for joining our discussion. We’d also love to understand what drew you to the MPN space. What’s the driver of doing this work for patients and their families?

Dr. Tania Jain: Thank you so much for having me. I’m absolutely delighted to be a part of this panel.

I don’t think it was a specific event. It was a natural transition during my fellowship under the mentorship of Dr. Ruben Mesa and Dr. Jeanne Palmer, who’ve obviously done a lot of work and continue to do so.

How that transitioned me was to recognize the significant unmet need in the space and the opportunity that existed to contribute to improve outcomes for patients and to improve the lives of patients and their families so that’s what we try to do.

Stephanie: Thank you so much. That means a lot for all of us who’ve gone through cancer.

Ashley Giacobbi

Stephanie: Speaking of incredible work, we have Ashley Giacobbi representing The Leukemia & Lymphoma Society’s Clinical Trial Support Center. It’s a really great resource because as we know, clinical trials can be very daunting and seem like a lot to wade through.

Ashley, thank you for being here. I have such a special place in my heart for nurses. I remember going through my treatment and nurses being such a lifeline so I really appreciate the work that you do. We’d love to understand more about yourself and what drew you to this calling.

Ashley Giacobbi: Thank you so much. I’m really honored to be here.

I have been a nurse for almost 20 years now and have enjoyed all of my time at the bedside.

I get extra excited when talking about new changes and how much has changed in the world of oncology over the last 20 years. It’s exciting to be able to help patients find clinical trials when they’re seeking the newest and next level of care and some of these new developments and advancements that we’ve had.

Stephanie: Thank you, Ashley. We’ll be talking about some of the top topics you’re getting from patients and care partners who are calling you and asking for your help in the clinical trial space.

Mary Linde

Stephanie: Finally, we’ve got Mary Linde, who I’m really blessed to be able to call a friend now. Mary, you’re a myelofibrosis patient advocate. You lead a group on Facebook with myelofibrosis patients and care partners. We’re so lucky to have you share your perspective as well. Can you describe yourself a little bit outside of cancer? As we know, we are so much more than a diagnosis.

Mary Linde: Thank you for that. I’m almost 61 years old. I’m a nurse as well and have both a bachelor’s and a master’s degree in nursing. I stopped clinical nursing for 25 years.

I’m currently the CEO of a small nonprofit foundation that mostly runs a retirement community here in San Francisco. I have always had a heart to serve the elderly.

I’m a mom to two amazing adult sons who are launched and living on their own. One is married and one is about to get married. I’m really hoping for grandchildren soon and to live long enough to really enjoy those grandchildren.

I have a three-year-old Coton de Tulear puppy who gets me out and moving. I walk 3 or 4 miles a day with him.

Mary’s myelofibrosis diagnosis

Stephanie: Like so many of us experience, a diagnosis changes our lives. What led you to figure out that something wasn’t right and how did you get your primary myelofibrosis diagnosis?

Mary: It wasn’t easy. I was about 54 1/2 when I started with vague symptoms. I had fatigue, dizziness, and sometimes vertigo to the tune of whoosh and then I fell. I felt like I needed to nap more frequently. I felt like if I walked up any incline, I needed to rest.

I knew something was wrong. I thought I had mono or Lyme disease. I kept complaining to my primary physician about these symptoms. He kept telling me I had menopause, which had long been through at that point.

I would repeatedly go back to my primary physician and say, “Please, let’s investigate what this is,” and even told him that my father had a rare blood cancer at around this same age.

Finally, six months into begging, I reached out my arm to the doctor and said, “I’m not leaving your office till you do a chem 7 and a CBC,” and he did.

Three days later, I got the results that I had platelets in the 800,000. Of course, Google became my friend. I called the doctor and he refused to talk to me. He said, “I’m sending your blood off for special testing. I don’t want to tell you because I don’t want to scare you.”

I started Googling and I was pretty certain I had an MPN. Three months later, I found out that I had the JAK2 mutation. I didn’t find out from my primary care physician; I found out when I got a call from the oncology center admitting me to services.

When I walked into the oncology center, I had a very strange experience. The introductory oncologist said to me, “I know you’re probably really afraid of the C-word so we’re not going to talk about it. Let’s talk about it like a blood disease.” I told her that I was a nurse so she didn’t have to do this. Then she said, “The other C word is an evil drug so we’re not going to talk about that either.”

I kindly asked her to get me another doctor and then sought a second opinion. At that time, I wasn’t so afraid of dying as much as I was afraid of not having the information I needed to live well. I didn’t know if my life was going to be shortened and I wanted as much information as I could get.

Stephanie: I really appreciate you sharing all that, Mary. I also love the message of self-advocacy and empowerment. It’s your life, you know your body, and you certainly didn’t let that fall through the cracks.

What is myelofibrosis?

Stephanie: Dr. Jain, what is myelofibrosis in layman’s terms? What are some of the more common first signs or symptoms?

Dr. Jain: What we heard from Mary’s story is something that I hear in the clinic fairly commonly. Having that fatigue and tiredness is something that often takes people to physicians to get tested. Delays are not uncommon either because fatigue or tiredness have several possible reasons. Some may be more common than others.

Mary also mentioned the JAK2 mutation, which is of relevance here. The premise of myelofibrosis starts with the overactivation of the JAK/STAT pathway, which is supposed to be a normal functional pathway that’s supposed to do regular stuff and make blood cells.

When it’s over-activated or activated without any restrictions, that’s when undesirable things happen, which can include affecting the bone marrow function in a negative way.

You could be making too many cells or you could alter the bone marrow function in the way that there is more scarring in the bone marrow, which is the fibrosis in the term myelofibrosis, which again affects the ability of the bone marrow to function normally whose job is to make a normal quantity and quality of blood cells.

As a result, patients can get anemic or have low hemoglobin, which can cause tiredness, fatigue, difficulty breathing, and related symptoms.

By virtue of the JAK/STAT pathway activation, this systemic or generalized inflammation that we often notice or patients leads them to a workup. What that results in is what we in our clinic call constitutional symptoms or symptoms that could be nonspecific or vague as sometimes labeled.

Those can include things like night sweats, low appetite, or other symptoms resulting from an enlarged spleen like abdominal discomfort, which are other symptoms that can sometimes lead to further investigations clinically.

Stephanie: Thank you. I know that’s a lot to cover in a short amount of time. We do hear lots of stories about how long it can take to figure out a myelofibrosis diagnosis so that’s not unique to Mary’s situation.

Landscape shifts in myelofibrosis treatments

Stephanie: Dr. Mascarenhas, you alluded to how optimistic you are because there are so many developments happening. How would you describe the landscape shifts that have happened in myelofibrosis treatments, especially in just the last few years?

Dr. Mascarenhas: Myelofibrosis is a stem cell-derived blood cancer and it could affect people in different ways. You don’t meet two people that walk the same path. They all come in different forms and fashions. Their clinical picture can be really varied and their course can be quite heterogeneous and variable, too. You have to understand the patient that you’re dealing with and the patient-specific goals of therapy.

For some patients, it could be alleviation of anemia. For other patients, it could be systemic symptoms like fevers, night sweats, weight loss, bone pain, and profound fatigue that can be quite debilitating. For many patients, it can be an enlarged spleen or liver that’s causing a lot of discomfort and challenging normal activities like bending over and doing things that would be normally easy to do.

Knowing how the disease is affecting the patient really informs and dictates how best to approach the patient. It’s typically trying to alleviate the symptomatology and reduce the spleen, and that’s usually using JAK inhibitors.

JAK inhibitors

Dr. Mascarenhas: Over the years, we’ve grown to have three clinically or commercially available JAK inhibitors: ruxolitinib since 2011, fedratinib since 2019, and pacritinib since 2022. And a fourth one, momelotinib, later in 2023.

This provides a lot of opportunities to try to address those symptoms. Those cytokine-driven symptoms that Dr. Jain explained are a result of this JAK/STAT pathway. These drugs are great in reducing a lot of that inflammatory cue that makes patients feel terrible, improving their sense of well-being and functionality, and reducing their spleen.

In doing so, patients have a better quality of life and, by virtue in most cases, will live longer because they can do the simple things that we need to do. They can move and eat. People who move and eat will simply live longer and do better than patients who cannot and that’s just generally true in oncology.

They have really revolutionized the quality of life aspect. As Dr. Jain pointed out, she worked with Dr. Mesa who was really instrumental in measuring quality of life and making that an endpoint for clinical trials and bringing attention to symptomatology and quality of life.

We have a great armamentarium that covers lots of different types of patients to improve their symptoms and quality of life.

We are developing drugs that are looking to try to improve anemia. Historically, we use drugs like epoetin alfa or darbepoetin alfa, which are erythropoiesis-stimulating agents, to try to improve hemoglobins, get patients out of the transfusion suite, and give them some more energy back, or drugs like danazol, a synthetic male androgen.

There are drugs that we repurpose, which is a common theme in oncology, from other diseases like multiple myeloma. We use drugs called IMiDs or immunomodulatory drugs like thalidomide, lenalidomide, or pomalidomide. These can all be used in myelofibrosis off-label to improve hemoglobin with responses of about 20 to 30%.

The reality is we can improve hemoglobin in some patients, we can improve symptoms in the spleen, but there’s still really a lot left to do.

How JAK inhibitors work

Mary: Dr. Mascarenhas, could you tell us how JAK inhibitors work? What are their benefits and limitations?

Dr. Mascarenhas: JAK inhibitors are a class of agents interestingly invented in the setting of this disease and now have applications to a lot of different diseases that are not even malignant.

They intermittently reduce the JAK/STAT pathway that is inappropriately activated in the bone marrow cells. This pathway is responsible for causing the proliferation of blood cells and elaborating inflammatory mediators.

JAK inhibitors intermittently quell this cascade of events. That reduces the propensity to have this inflammatory state, this overproduction of blood cells, and seems to improve symptoms by reducing cytokines, which are inflammatory byproducts.

Patients feel better and can move and eat. It restores vitality for reasons that I personally don’t understand and I’ve never seen a good explanation for.

It also reduces the spleen. It’s a phenomenon I don’t really understand. It’s an interesting aspect of the drug. It reduces symptoms by reducing the activity of this pathway.

Unfortunately, these drugs don’t induce remissions. They don’t kill what I would call the maternal stem cell that gives rise to all of these abnormal cells. It doesn’t get rid of that cell.

It quiets down what’s happening in the bone marrow and the spleen allows for some degree of normalcy. The malignant cell population still remains in the body, in the bone marrow, and in the organs.

Unfortunately, we don’t see changes in the bone marrow that would lead us to believe that we’ve remitted the disease. Myelofibrosis is in the name. You have scarring in the bone marrow that typically remains even while patients enjoy the clinical benefits of the drug.

Then there’s the potential for downsides of the drugs. They often will exacerbate cytopenia or low blood count. Anemia and thrombocytopenia (low hemoglobin and low platelet) count can often get lower with these drugs.

We’ve pivoted to try to develop drugs that may not be as myelosuppressive, as count reducing and may even improve some of the blood counts.

Pacritinib can be delivered in patients with low blood counts and can improve hemoglobin in about 25% of patients. Momelotinib has also been associated with improvements in blood counts.

What we now know, which we didn’t know when we started off in all of this, is these drugs are not just JAK inhibitors. They interfere with a lot of different pathways that may be relevant and irrelevant and cause toxicity.

For example, inhibiting ACVR1, which is another pathway that’s important for iron availability, might explain why pacritinib and momelotinib improve hemoglobins and why maybe ruxolitinib and fedratinib.

There are a lot of nuances with these drugs that help us understand why they may fit niches and help certain people in certain ways and why you can provide serial JAK inhibitors.

If you fail one, it doesn’t necessarily mean that you wouldn’t enjoy some response to another. You can go from one to the other. The tailoring of the JAK inhibitor is somewhat of an art more than a science in some cases and requires knowing the patient, what the goals are, and trying to match the potential goals and potential toxicities to that patient.

Mary: Thank you for that. I’ve often heard that we’re not getting rid of our JAK2 but maybe turning the volume down on it a bit with the use of these drugs.

Determining the sequence of treatment

Mary: Dr. Jain, how do you know which JAK inhibitor might or might not work and which one to try first for a patient?

Dr. Jain: I’m going to piggyback on what Dr. Mascarenhas said and emphasize the point that no two patients with myelofibrosis will be the same. Everybody will have their own presentation or different things that you need to address.

Everybody will have a different trajectory in terms of their disease course and that’s what’s important to recognize as you’re thinking about what you’re going to start a patient on in terms of your choice of JAK inhibitor. We don’t have the same treatment for everyone. We’re looking at what we need to address in you as a patient.

If we’re trying to address high counts, a JAK inhibitor makes sense. If they have a big spleen and/or symptoms that will need to be addressed in combination with that, a JAK inhibitor would make sense based on the fact that we have the longest experience with it.

Ruxolitinib has been our first go-to. It was the first approved and we feel more comfortable with it. We know how to adjust the dose and move things around with it. If that doesn’t work, then the go-to next step in an ideal world would be a clinical trial.

If we don’t have one that would fit, it would either be fedratinib or pacritinib. The choice would depend on where the blood counts stand. If the platelets or the cell counts are on the lower side, pacritinib would probably be a better choice.

There are patients who have anemia as a major presenting symptom. In those situations, options such as epoetin alfa, danazol, pacritinib to some extent, and hopefully momelotinib in the future are some of the options. Luspatercept is in clinical trials; we’ll see how that pans out. Those will be some of the options.

The third set of patients is those who come with more advanced disease in the way of more excess or a higher fraction of blasts or leukemic cells or very, very early cells in the bone marrow that indicate that these patients are headed towards the pathway of a more aggressive pattern of disease like leukemia.

In those situations, either in combination with JAK inhibitors or without something like hypomethylating agents could be considered usually en route to a bone marrow transplant, if that makes sense in terms of eligibility.

Stephanie: What’s clear is this is very individualized. There are so many considerations.

What are clinical trials?

Stephanie: Mary, can you bring us back to the day when you got the diagnosis? What was that like for you learning about cancer?

Mary: When I was initially diagnosed, it was over a long period of time so it wasn’t shocking exactly as I grew into it.

I thought back to my own father, who had a rare blood cancer in the late 1980s, had it for five years, and died at age 60. In fact, we were both diagnosed at age 55. I felt like I was somewhat prepared for how to manage this because I’m in the health field.

I had a bird’s eye view of it with my own father and I knew how to advocate for myself, especially since my dad had to advocate at a time when there really weren’t a lot of options for this cancer.

There’s a lot of fear and a lot of wondering. Will I be around to see my grandchildren? Will I finish my career? Will I make the contribution to society that I had hoped? Will I have a painful death?

I’m grateful over the years to have learned that I have so many treatment options available to me that I don’t look at the future as something grim at all. I just see it as my normal life.

I’m so grateful to learn of combination therapies because not all of us can make it to stem cell transplant, which is ultimately our cure.

There’s a whole lot more hope on the horizon for us with MPNs, particularly primary myelofibrosis. I’m just grateful for the research and the amount of research that’s being churned out these days, the clinical trials, and the combination therapies.

I’m so excited to be able to talk to experts in the industry about research and development towards not only treatment but cure for myelofibrosis.

Stephanie: We’ve talked a little bit about some of the drugs and combinations that are being studied now.

The first time I heard the term clinical trials, it felt a little daunting. There are lots of misconceptions about clinical trials. We do know that different stakeholders are trying to research what can be better to improve the standard of care for different patients and patient groups. One of the challenges is that people view clinical trials as a last resort.

Ashley, we know clinical trials might not be right for everybody, but they are an access to tomorrow’s treatment today. We’re sure you get lots of questions in your role at the LLS. What are clinical trials in layman’s terms and what are some of the top questions and misconceptions you hear from people?

Ashley: Clinical trials are carefully controlled research studies, which are conducted by doctors, researchers, and scientists. They may be investigating new therapies or therapies used in the past in a slightly different way or in combination with other therapies to find out which works better or might have fewer side effects. They’re looking at both tolerability as well as effectiveness of the treatments.

There are so many misconceptions out there, but one of the largest is that it’s for patients who have exhausted all options. That’s simply not the case. There are clinical trial options at all stages of diagnosis.

There are interventional trials, which test treatment options, as well as observational or registry trials, which help us learn more about myelofibrosis as a diagnosis but may not involve specific treatments.

Another concern that we regularly hear about is the use of placebos. Placebos have definitely gotten a bad rap. A placebo can be known as a sugar pill. They’re not very commonly used in cancer clinical trials because it just wouldn’t be right for us to use a sugar pill in place of somebody who needed active therapy for a serious or life-threatening disease.

When placebos are used, it would be in a setting where a patient doesn’t require any type of treatment at that particular moment or in combination with another therapy so that the patient is continuing to receive active therapy for the disease that they have.

Logistical concerns may come up as well. We always like to chat with patients about travel for clinical trials and what that might entail. We’ve talked about some of the academic medical centers and how important it is to have an MPN specialist.

Very often, investigators who are looking at clinical trials for myelofibrosis are in academic centers. We’re always encouraging and pushing for those clinical trials to be available in the community setting because traveling to and from those academic centers can be a real challenge for patients.

In addition to the logistical travel considerations, there are some misconceptions that clinical trial participation is free or that patients may even receive money for participating. Unfortunately, that’s not always the case. It’s really important that we explain that to patients.

Parts of the clinical trial that are investigational or are not approved will be provided by the clinical trial. Physician visits and lab work are things that we would expect patients to undergo if they were receiving standard care. Those will still get billed back to the insurance company or may have to be paid for in another manner.

Each clinical trial is structured a little bit differently and it’s hard to know from an overview, but really it’s important to have a general understanding before diving into the specifics of any clinical trial.

If you are participating in a clinical trial, occasionally, there can be stipends available to support the patient or caregiver and that’s why it’s so important to reach out and find out more and make sure that you have all the information you need as you make a decision about participating.

Mary: Thank you, Ashley. It’s so important to hear that we do have access to medication, not necessarily the placebo. A lot of us do worry about that. We also need to check in to find out what is available to us in terms of financing.

Momelotinib, a new drug

Mary: Dr. Mascarenhas, let’s talk about single-drug therapy. There’s a new drug that was recently FDA-approved, momelotinib. What patient might it benefit?

Dr. Mascarenhas: Momelotinib is a JAK inhibitor so it’s much like ruxolitinib except as I mentioned before, there are some nuances that make these drugs a little bit different. It also inhibits ACVR1, which is another pathway that regulates iron availability for red blood cell production. In its long development history, it’s differentiated itself from other drugs in large part by its ability to improve hemoglobins in a subset of patients.

It went to the FDA based on a study called MOMENTUM. The expected approval was in late June. It was delayed by the FDA, which is not uncommon, to September for re-review. My expectation is it will probably be commercially available in the pharmacies and available for prescription likely by mid to late September.

I encourage patients to discuss with their physicians if that drug might make sense for them or any of the other drugs that we’ve talked about, whether it’s fedratinib, ruxolitinib, or pacritinib. As we’ve said, it really has to be tailored to the patient.

I’m excited to see momelotinib come up. For a physician, it’s great because it gives us different options and allows us to tailor the treatment for each patient. That might be a great opportunity for some patients to either embark on that therapy or switch.

The clinical trials set the tone for the interactions with the FDA about what that label would look like based on the way the clinical trial was designed and run. We can only guess that there may be stipulations.

It may only be available after the use of a first-line JAK inhibitor or it might have to have certain requirements for depth of anemia level. There are some nuances that sometimes play into the decision-making and these are based on the clinical trials that led to the approval.

Best drug combination therapies

Mary: Dr. Jain, there’s combination therapy to think about. June F. asks, “What are the best drug combinations at present?” Can you introduce us to combination therapies?

Dr. Jain: I’m not sure if I can answer what the best drug combination is right now, but hopefully that is a question we will learn more about and address in the future.

There are drug combinations that are promising. It brings options that we can offer to patients. They’re mostly in clinical trials but hopefully, some will move the field forward.

Historically, we addressed the JAK/STAT pathway, which we have learned the most about in the last couple of decades. That is the primary pathway involved in the occurrence of myelofibrosis.

As we have learned more over the years, there are other pathways that are critical to the development of myelofibrosis and that is where the rationale for drug combinations comes in.

We’ve seen several clinical trials that have addressed that or used combination therapy in patients who don’t have a good response to ruxolitinib itself and need more than that. Many of those drugs have been tested in the first-line setting to see if patients would do better with combinations upfront rather than ruxolitinib alone, which has been the long-standing go-to first-line treatment for over a decade now.

Some of the drugs that you’ll hear about are navtemadlin, for example, which is an MDM2 inhibitor. Dr. Mascarenhas presented data at EHA that showed a 35% spleen reduction in about one-third of patients in patients who weren’t responding to ruxolitinib itself.

There are BET inhibitors like pelabresib that I heard Dr. Mascarenhas talk about at ASH, which also is being tested in the first line in patients who are starting upfront treatment.

There are BCL-xL inhibitors like navitoclax, which have shown some improvement in the second-line setting. We’re awaiting a public announcement on the data for the first-line trial.

The premise is that you’re combining two mechanisms that have shown to work such that you do not have overlapping toxicities. That’s an important piece to remember. 

JAK inhibitors can cause some decrease in blood counts; we’ve seen that with ruxolitinib. You want to add a drug that may not do that as much or may not do that to an extent that makes it prohibitive of a combination.

With pacritinib, for example, patients often would get gastrointestinal toxicity so don’t combine a drug that may also have gastrointestinal toxicity. That’s important to remember as we think about combinations, which we will see more and more in the future.

Logistics are certainly important to consider as we’re thinking about clinical trials, what the trial offers, the frequency of visits to the center, and whether that makes sense in terms of continuing to be on it or not.

When to consider combination therapy

Mary: Dr. Mascarenhas, what should patients ask when considering a combination therapy like Dr. Jain just talked about? How do we know when it’s right or the right time to start one?

Dr. Mascarenhas: The first question to ask is: Why is this combination for me? What would be the advantage in my case in terms of addressing my goals of therapy? Importantly, what are the potential risks?

As physicians—and I’m definitely included when I say this—we often focus on what we think is going to be the advantage of participating in a clinical trial. The reality is there are disadvantages sometimes. There can be toxicity associated with approved drugs and unapproved drugs that are in clinical trials.

Patients want to understand expectations of results and the potential toxicities that one could incur. What does the patient need to be aware of in terms of mitigating and reporting?

A trial is not really a passive experience. Patients are active participants. They’re not simply receiving a drug. They have to be very willing and engaged to report all symptoms and not just what they think might be important. They need to report everything to the study team.

That might involve calling ahead of their visit to let the team know what’s going on, making sure that all their medications are accounted for, and they’re following up. It’s an opportunity to assess whether a drug is active and adequately characterize the toxicities of a drug. As the drug moves along, it’s optimized in the delivery for future patients.

There are two objectives. How is this drug going to help me and what is my role in this whole process? It really should be a joint venture. It’s not a one-sided experience. We learn from the patients. Hopefully, the patient community learns from what we’re doing and everyone benefits.

Stephanie: Dr. Jain had set up the landscape of combination therapies and talked about different options. Dr. Mascarenhas, it’d be great to run through a few specific combinations.

Dr. Mascarenhas: Clinical trials today to a large degree are unlike what clinical trials were historically. These drugs are all rational with supporting pre-clinical data. People don’t always realize that they go through enormous amounts of testing through various aspects before they ever enter a human being.

There’s an enormous amount of regulatory burden that exists that’s really annoying but really important because it provides that sense of confidence in the investigators but also in the patients that what we’re introducing makes sense. We’re not just taking something off the counter and saying, “I wonder if this is going to work,” and throwing it into a clinical trial. These are rationally developed drugs.

An example is selinexor. Selinexor is a really interesting drug. It’s already approved for blood cancers that are not myeloid cancer like multiple myeloma and other B-cell lymphomas. This drug affects the shuttling of proteins in different compartments in the blood cell, in the nucleus, and in the cytoplasm.

Why does that matter? Because if you can affect where proteins are in a cell, you can ultimately affect the functioning of these proteins. Selinexor inhibits this shuttling protein and affects the way certain proteins exert their function, which might be important to the pathophysiology of the disease. This might even turn on other proteins and put them in an area where they can actually induce a good effect.

For example, there is probably a multitude of different changes when you use a drug like selinexor that shifts the cell’s functioning from one in which it’s acting inappropriately and nefariously into one in which you try to induce it to die through normal mechanisms.

There are normal mechanisms that are built into our cells that if they get corrupted by a virus or by cancer, they turn on this mechanism called apoptosis and undergo programmed cell death. Cancer cells have ingeniously figured out ways to get around that. We struggle each day to figure out ways to get them back on track, to encourage them to recognize that they’re inappropriate and to undergo this programmed death.

Selinexor is a great example of a drug that affects multiple pathways and induces myelofibrosis, perhaps even the primordial cells, to undergo this process of death. It works best in combination with ruxolitinib and that’s a common theme that we’ve seen.

In oncology, it’s very rare, except for maybe CML or some other diseases, that we use monotherapies. In most of oncology, we use combination therapies to synergize together to get deeper responses and avoid overlapping toxicities.

That’s what we’re seeing with drugs like selinexor or navtemadlin, which has a great wealth of data at this point. These drugs are active as single agents, but they seem to be even more active in combination.

This is supported by studies that are done in mice that are engineered to have myelofibrosis with primary cells from people who have been generous enough to donate their blood cells. We experiment and figure out how we are going to make better drugs in the future.

I thank those patients. Seems like a small thing, but it’s a huge, huge aspect of how we move this whole machine forward in clinical research. All of that information allows us to say this combination really looks effective.

We’ve got JAK inhibitors that are commercially available. We’re going to add this drug that synergizes nicely in preclinical models and cells in the dish. We think it’s going to work better than each drug alone and we’ll figure out how to dose them and schedule them to minimize toxicity. That’s really where we’re seeing it.

Selinexor, navtemadlin, pelabresib (BET inhibitor), and navitoclax (BCL-xL inhibitor) all look good in combination with ruxolitinib. As Dr. Jain said, ruxolitinib has been around the longest and that’s the go-to drug that we combine drugs with.

We’re not even waiting anymore for patients to have failed the first line of therapy. We’re introducing the drugs earlier on. We get confidence in their ability and their toxicity profile. Why wait for patients to do worse? Why not try to get deeper responses earlier on?

The deeper we can reduce the disease burden, we believe that the better the patient will be overall. They will not simply feel better but have smaller spleens, which is important. Fewer disease cells in their body will hopefully mean longer progression-free survival.

Navtemadlin, selinexor, pelabresib, navitoclax, imetelstat — there’s a whole host of drugs that are aiming to really hit the clone and induce deeper responses.

Second-line treatment after Jakafi

Mary: For people who have been on ruxolitinib and, for whatever reason, the treatment wasn’t effective, what treatment options are available?

Dr. Jain: That’s a common situation we run into because as Dr. Mascarenhas pointed out, ruxolitinib has a very strong role. There are a lot of things that it does do, but there are a few things that it doesn’t do. Based on registration studies and clinical practice, if it works, it works for a few years and then we start losing that response.

A clinical trial available that would be a combination of a JAK inhibitor with something else or something added to ruxolitinib itself would be my go-to to consider. There are several of those going on at this time. There are also trials with single-agent drugs.

The way drug development goes is there’s testing of efficacy by using the drug alone. Then once we are comfortable with their efficacy and safety profile, we add it onto a ruxolitinib or a JAK inhibitor backbone.

If we see efficacy and safety in that combination, we move it up the ladder a little bit more and try to investigate if that would be a better option in the front line compared to ruxolitinib itself.

There are non-JAK inhibitor combinations that get added to ruxolitinib. Navtemadlin, an MDM2 inhibitor, has data. It restores the natural cell-killing pathway that should happen but is not working very well for some reason. We’ve seen patients respond in a post-ruxolitinib setting in terms of their spleen and symptoms.

There are other drugs like navitoclax, a BCL-xL inhibitor, that show responses in about one-third of the patients who were not having a good response to ruxolitinib by itself.

Pelabresib is a BET inhibitor. There are other BET inhibitors in the pipeline that are being developed with slightly different nuances to their conformation and how they inhibit the pathway. These are some of the categories of drugs that look promising and worth looking forward to.

Imetelstat has emerging data. It’s slightly different in the way it works. It inhibits the telomerase activity. It’s one of what we think happens in myelofibrosis or leads to that, even though the telomerase length may be not as long or in fact short. The telomerase activity tends to be high and that’s what imetelstat inhibits.

I’m sure I’m missing some here and that’s not for the lack of preference. Selinexor is another one that Dr. Mascarenhas already mentioned.

I would tell my patients that if we can get our hands on one of these combination clinical trials at that time, that would be my first go-to option.

If for any reason there are no clinical trial options available after ruxolitinib, then obviously there are other JAK inhibitors like fedratinib, pacritinib, and hopefully soon momelotinib. Patients may still benefit even though they stopped responding to or did not achieve benefit from ruxolitinib as a front-line JAK inhibitor.

When to get a second opinion

Mary: When is it right for a patient to seek a second opinion during this time of figuring out the right treatment options?

Dr. Mascarenhas: The right answer always is now. I don’t think it ever hurts to seek a second opinion at the time of diagnosis to confirm the diagnosis. There is a lot of heterogeneity in the way these diseases can present. There are overlaps and nuances.

It’s important to seek a second opinion because you may be a patient who should be considered for a bone marrow transplant, which is the only curative option we have. Sometimes that’s delayed too late and the patient misses the window of opportunity. For some patients, that may not be on their plate but having that discussion is really important.

I don’t recommend seeing lots of different people; that can be problematic. Getting a second opinion at each stage never hurts — at the time of diagnosis, if you’re not doing well on your first therapy, and when there’s consideration of second therapy.

If you have a physician who gives you pushback about getting a second opinion or comes across negatively, you might want to find another physician because it shouldn’t be an ego thing.

It’s your life. You’re dealing with cancer. You should feel free and confident that a second opinion is not a reflection of your treating physician. It’s getting more information and the more information you have, the better the outcome.

Dr. Jain: I agree with that 100%. The MPN community is small but also very well knit and I think we work very closely together. I’ve asked my patients to get second opinions and I’ve set them up for them if they need to go. I’ve sent patients to Dr. Mascarenhas and to others if there is, for example, a clinical trial opportunity that we may not have and they may have.

Sometimes it’s better for them to hear it from more than one person. We do a lot of things similarly, but there are some that we may have different perspectives about.

A common joke is if you ask 10 MPN experts, you’ll get 12 different opinions, and not because anything is right or wrong. There just may be a slight difference in our prior experience with a particular strategy or what our perspective about a particular strategy may be. All those are important things.

The role and timing of the transplant may benefit from a second opinion. Get another perspective as to what their center’s experience has been and how they may do something different. There are nuances to every transplant center and some of it may be more beneficial to you. Geography obviously plays a big role.

How to look for myelofibrosis clinical trials

Stephanie: We’ve talked about treatment options in myelofibrosis, but when you actually come down to needing to find one or stay on one, there are so many questions that we all encounter. We know that ClinicalTrials.gov is out there, but it’s a little bit difficult to navigate and that’s why the LLS’ Clinical Trial Support Center is so important. Ashley, what are your top recommendations in terms of looking for clinical trials?

Ashley: Often, people try to go about it on their own. ClinicalTrials.gov is the most comprehensive database of all clinical trials. In addition to cancer clinical trials, there are also clinical trials for all types of disorders and diagnoses.

It’s not always easy to hone in on what you need depending on past treatments you’ve had or medical history so it can be a challenging situation to find clinical trials that are actually applicable to you as an individual.

We always encourage reaching out to The Leukemia & Lymphoma Society. We have the Clinical Trial Support Center, which was developed as a response to help patients find clinical trials that are appropriate to them as unique individuals.

It’s a free service staffed by nurses who have expertise in blood cancers and clinical trials. Nurse navigators connect one-on-one with patients, caregivers, or even other healthcare providers who may need to learn more about potential clinical trial options.

We find out more about the patient’s diagnosis. We learn about any past treatments they may have had and find out about their medical history because all of those factors will play into a patient’s eligibility to participate in a clinical trial.

We also take a long time to find out about patient preferences and any unique obstacles that could hinder or drive participation in clinical trials. We help tailor some of the support and resources that we’re able to provide so that patients can overcome some of those barriers that may be in place.

After we’ve generated all of that information and really taken the time to get to know the patients, we produce an individualized clinical trial search. That could be related to geography and preferences. What matters most to the patient? Is this something that they’re really not interested in spending a long time in the hospital if they can avoid it?

We definitely look at all of those and produce a list that can be taken back and reviewed with their treatment team so that that can be part of the informed decision-making with the patient’s next steps.

We are available for all blood cancers, including myelofibrosis and other MPNs. It’s important to know that patients can reach out.

Half of the ongoing clinical trials are cancer clinical trials, but sadly, only about 5% of cancer patients actually enroll or participate. There’s so much opportunity out there and we’d really love to help overcome any barriers that patients might have so that they can consider participating.

The role of stem cell transplant

Stephanie: Transplant is such a huge topic for so many people and they hear so much about it. In the context of the landscape changing so quickly, do you feel that you and other specialists in the field will be recommending transplants less to people? This is probably a very individual response, but with everything happening, what’s the trend?

Dr. Jain: I actually think of it the other way. By virtue of having more effective treatment strategies to improve the spleen and symptoms, and get a disease response, we may be able to take more patients to transplant as a curative therapy.

A lot of times, lack of spleen response, poor performance by virtue of a lot of symptoms, or disease advancement into a more aggressive disease pattern become barriers to transplant. Having more options in the future will allow us to take more of these patients to transplant.

We’ve seen a lot of advances with a lot of these options. What we have not seen so far is the curative potential. Hopefully, we will in the future. All of these drugs have a lot of advantages in terms of improving spleen symptoms and cytopenias but we have not had definitive improvement or getting rid of the abnormal stem cell clone. That’s something that at least so far we’ve only achieved with a stem cell transplant.

At some point, as long as patients are eligible for transplant and that is something that would fit their life wishes in general, that would be a curative option to consider. Better non-transplant treatments will only get more patients to something more curative like a transplant.

Dr. Mascarenhas: I couldn’t have said it better myself.

Final takeaways

Stephanie: We’ve covered a lot of ground in a short amount of time. If there’s one thing you’d like for our audience of patients and care partners to walk away with, what would that be?

Dr. Mascarenhas: I hope to share my enthusiasm and optimism that we are making advances. There is a brighter future and I’m really genuinely excited about that.

Embrace the opportunity of clinical trials. Clinical trials are looked at for other people, but they may be important for you. Talk to your physicians. You may not go through with it but learning about it and exploring it is important for each patient.

Dr. Jain: It’s never a wrong time to see a specialist or to see someone else if something is not working out. Some symptoms are nonspecific. Never hesitate to be an advocate for yourself, to get things done, and to seek a second opinion.

As a transplanter, I’m obliged to pitch in that getting an opinion about transplant and at what course in your disease that makes sense is important to address. You don’t have to wait until you’re progressing or not responding to drugs. That needs to be addressed and outlined in an early appointment rather than waiting for too long.

Ashley: I really want to echo what’s already been said. It’s so important to consider clinical trials as part of the treatment plan. Even if they may not be an option at that particular moment, it’s important to be informed and look at all of those components as you’re making an informed decision about the treatment plan with your providers.

As a representative of The Leukemia & Lymphoma Society, I would really encourage any patient with myelofibrosis or any MPN to reach out. The Leukemia & Lymphoma Society has so many resources available, including clinical trial support but also so many others that we would really enjoy the opportunity to connect and provide those resources to patients.

Mary: Continue to have hope. Continue to want to thrive and live.

At the beginning of my journey with myelofibrosis six years ago, I was told I’d be dead by 72. Now they’re saying you could outlive this. You could die with this, not of it. Hearing both Dr. Jain and Dr. Mascarenhas talk about all these combination therapies and how they actually might get us to the cure was very exciting.

Conclusion

Stephanie: Thank you so much, Mary. Your story is so powerful. It’s also on our platform so feel free to check out Mary’s story.

Thank you to Ashley from The Leukemia & Lymphoma Society and to Dr. Jain and Dr. Mascarenhas for the work that you’re doing to push forward research and help patients and family members better understand their options in myelofibrosis and MPNs altogether.

I hope you’re able to take away something that was really key for you, because that’s our goal, to empower you in your own care. We look forward to seeing you at a future program.

Special thanks again to GSK and Karyopharm for their support of our independent patient education content. The Patient Story retains full editorial control.

More Medical Expert Interviews

Using AI to Detect Lung Cancer Risks With Dr. Lecia Sequist

Using AI to Detect Lung Cancer Risks Dr. Lecia Sequist discusses using AI to detect lung...

Read More

Trends in Cancer Research 2022

Learn from three of the top cancer specialists about cancer treatment trends, including precision medicine...

Read More

The Role of Bispecific Antibodies in the Treatment of Multiple Myeloma

The Role of Bispecific Antibodies in the Treatment of Multiple Myeloma Hematologist Alfred Garfall, MD, MS...

Read More

The Latest in Multiple Myeloma: Understanding Promising Treatment Options

The Latest in Multiple Myeloma: Understanding Promising Treatment Options Patient advocates Cindy Chmielewski and Jack Aiello...

Read More

The Latest in Multiple Myeloma with Caitlin Costello, MD

Dr. Costello discusses the latest in multiple myeloma treatment from ASH 2022, including the MAIA...

Read More

The Latest in Multiple Myeloma Treatments

The Latest in Multiple Myeloma Treatments: What Clinical Trials are Available to Me? Patient advocate Cindy...

Read More

The Latest in Lung Cancer Treatments

The Latest in Lung Cancer Treatments: Is a Clinical Trial Right for Me? Leading experts Estelamari...

Read More

The Latest in Hodgkin Lymphoma: Treatment Options in 2024

The Latest in Hodgkin Lymphoma: Treatment Options in 2024 Dr. Matthew Matasar, chief of blood disorders...

Read More

The Latest in Hodgkin Lymphoma

Matthew Matasar, MD, MS Dr. Matthew Matasar, chief of blood disorders at the Rutgers Cancer Institute...

Read More

The Latest in Genetic Testing in 2023

Abigail and Sue sat down with The Patient Story to discuss FORCE, the genetic component...

Read More

The Latest in Breast Cancer Patient Research

Lesley and Dr. Roberson sat down with The Patient Story to discuss patient research and...

Read More

Testicular Cancer: What Patients Need to Know

Testicular Cancer: What Patients Need to Know Medical oncologist Alok Tewari, MD, PhD, who specializes in...

Read More

SABCS 2022 Highlights

SABCS 2022 Highlights Top breast cancer doctors Dr. Paolo Tarantino with Dana-Farber Cancer Institute and Dr...

Read More

Relapsed/Refractory Multiple Myeloma Highlights from ASH 2022

Relapsed/Refractory Multiple Myeloma Highlights from ASH 2022 Multiple myeloma specialists Dr. Ajai Chari with Mount Sinai...

Read More

Pathologists: The Unseen Doctors of Your Medical Team

Pathologists: The Unseen Doctors of Your Medical Team Hematopathologist Kamran Mirza, MD, PhD, explains more about...

Read More

Optimizing Quality of Life: Reducing Toxicity in Hodgkin Lymphoma Care

Optimizing Quality of Life: Reducing Toxicity in Hodgkin Lymphoma Care Dr. Andy Evens from Rutgers Cancer...

Read More

Newly Diagnosed Multiple Myeloma Highlights from ASH 2022

Newly Diagnosed Multiple Myeloma Highlights from ASH 2022 Dr. Caitlin Costello and Dr. Sagar Lonial discuss...

Read More

Myelofibrosis Highlights from ASH 2022

Myelofibrosis Highlights from ASH 2022 Dr. Serge Verstovsek and Dr. Naveen Pemmaraju discuss cutting-edge treatments and...

Read More

Multiple Myeloma in 2023

Multiple Myeloma in 2023 Long-time myeloma patient and advocate, Jack Aiello, leads the conversation with Dr...

Read More

Monsanto Roundup Trials Update

Chadi Nabhan, MD, MBA Dr. Chadi Nabhan shares how he got involved in the Monsanto trials...

Read More

Lynch Syndrome: What Patients Need to Know

Lynch Syndrome: What Patients Need to Know Medical oncologist Michael Hall, MD, MS, discusses Lynch syndrome...

Read More

Lola Fayanju, MD, MA

Dr. Fayanju, MD, MA Role: Chief, Division of Breast Surgery Focus: Breast Cancer Provider:...

Read More

Let’s Talk CLL: Patients & Doctors Discuss the Latest LIVE – Transcript

Let’s Talk CLL: Patients & Doctors Discuss the Latest LIVE Patients, care partners, and a panel...

Read More

How to Work With a CLL Specialist

How to Build a Strong CLL Team Nicole Lamanna, MD, from Columbia University Medical Center, Spencer...

Read More

How Long Can You Live with Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia

How Long Can You Live with Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia? Dr. Adam Kittai and Dr. Joanna...

Read More

High-Risk Smoldering Multiple Myeloma Highlights from ASH 2022

High-Risk Smoldering Multiple Myeloma Highlights from ASH 2022 Patient advocate Jack Aiello and hematologist Dr. Shaji...

Read More

Health Insurance and Cancer Treatment

Health Insurance and Cancer Treatment Abigail Johnston, a metastatic breast cancer patient and lawyer, talks about...

Read More

Financial Toxicity of Cancer Treatment

Financial Toxicity of Cancer Treatment Dr. Fumiko Chino opens up about her late husband’s diagnosis and...

Read More

DLBCL: The Latest in Treatment and Research

DLBCL: The Latest in Treatment and Research Discover the latest DLBCL treatments from two top lymphoma...

Read More

DLBCL in 2023

DLBCL in 2023 The Patient Story founder and DLBCL advocate Stephanie Chuang leads the conversation with...

Read More

Colorectal Cancer in Young Adults

Toufic Kachaamy,MD Role: Chief of Medicine and Director of Gastroenterology Focus: endoscopic oncologyProvider: City of Hope...

Read More

CLL Highlights from ASH 2022

CLL Highlights from ASH 2022 Patient advocate Andrew Schorr and hematologist Dr. Nitin Jain discuss the...

Read More

Black Myeloma Patients: Access & Disparities

Research on Black Myeloma Patients, Access & Disparities Patient advocate Valarie Traynham and Dr. Shakira Grant...

Read More