Interviewed by: Taylor Scheib Edited by: Katrina Villareal
Dee was diagnosed with stage 3 invasive ductal carcinoma (IDC) and ductal carcinoma in situ (DCIS) at 31, which later progressed to stage 4 metastatic breast cancer. Her initial symptoms began in 2017 when she experienced pain in her left breast while breastfeeding, followed by the discovery of a large lump. Despite persistent pain, she was initially dismissed by doctors due to her age and the assumption that breast pain was not a sign of cancer. After advocating for herself and undergoing an ultrasound through a private hospital, she was finally diagnosed.
Dee underwent a challenging treatment plan, starting with neoadjuvant chemotherapy (AC-T), a bilateral mastectomy, and radiotherapy. She experienced severe side effects, such as radiation burns and a painful capsular contracture around the implant. During her treatment, Dee struggled with identity loss and was later diagnosed with PTSD. She tried to return to normalcy too quickly, which led to further health complications, including pneumonia and hospitalization.
Despite setbacks, Dee rebuilt her life, focusing on her mental health and making significant lifestyle changes. In 2023, Dee learned her cancer had metastasized to her bones. However, she maintained a positive mindset and adapted well to new treatments, including targeted therapy with ribociclib. Dee continues to embrace life fully, cherishing time with her children and finding support through an online cancer community.
Name: Dee D.
Diagnosis:
Breast Cancer
Invasive ductal carcinoma (IDC)
Ductal carcinoma in situ (DCIS)
ER+
Staging:
Stage 4
Symptoms:
Inability to produce milk on the left breast while breastfeeding
Breast pain (palpable and radiating to the back)
Lumps in the breast and armpit
Treatments:
Chemotherapy: AC-T
Surgery: bilateral mastectomy and axillary lymph node clearance
Radiotherapy
Hormone therapy: Zoladex (goserelin)
Aromatase inhibitor: letrozole
Targeted therapy: Kisqali (ribociclib)
This interview has been edited for clarity. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider for treatment decisions.
Krista’s Stage 1A IDC Breast Cancer with ATM Mutation Story
Interviewed by: Taylor Scheib Edited by: Katrina Villareal
Krista’s stage 1A breast cancer journey is deeply connected to her family’s history. Her mother was diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer at 48 and underwent various treatments like chemotherapy, radiation, and hormone therapy. She tested positive for a mutation in the ATM gene, which raises the risk of breast cancer. This finding led Krista to get genetic testing, revealing she also carried the same mutation, giving her a 69% risk of developing breast cancer.
Krista began following a rigorous screening schedule, alternating between mammograms and breast MRIs every six months. Despite a normal mammogram, her MRI detected an abnormality. Though specialists initially dismissed it as non-cancerous, Krista felt uneasy and insisted on a biopsy. This confirmed her breast cancer diagnosis just two weeks before her scheduled preventative surgery.
She chose to undergo a double mastectomy with DIEP flap reconstruction, using tissue from her abdomen to reconstruct her breasts. The process involved an initial eight-hour surgery followed by a revision surgery. After the procedure, Krista was relieved to avoid chemotherapy due to her low Oncotype DX score. Instead, she began a five-year course of tamoxifen, experiencing minor side effects like sleep disturbances and fatigue.
Her treatment plan also included daily exercise, which helped manage the side effects. Krista’s nutrition strategy focused on a plant-heavy diet, aiming for 8 to 10 servings of fruits and vegetables daily with a balanced intake of high-quality, low-quantity meat.
Mentally, Krista dealt with stress by spending quiet time, running, and leaning on her husband’s support. She emphasizes the importance of making informed, personal treatment decisions and encourages others to consider genetic testing and explore all their options.
Krista’s motivation to share her story comes from a desire to empower others with the knowledge she has gained. She hopes to help others make informed decisions and potentially prevent cancer. She advocates for taking one’s time to navigate the overwhelming journey of cancer, stressing the importance of making decisions that bring peace of mind.
Name: Krista B.
Diagnosis:
Breast Cancer
Invasive ductal carcinoma (IDC)
HR+, HER2-
Staging:
Stage 1A
Mutations:
ATM
Symptoms:
None; abnormality detected in breast MRI
Treatments:
Surgery: double mastectomy with DIEP flap reconstruction
This interview has been edited for clarity. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider for treatment decisions.
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[00:01] Hi, I’m Krista, and I am a nurse and a patient advocate and a breast cancer survivor. My story really begins with my mom’s cancer diagnosis. She was diagnosed at age 48 with stage 3 breast cancer. At that time, she was only tested for two gene mutations linked to breast cancer, which were the BRCA1 and BRCA2 mutations. She was negative.
[00:36] Fast forward, she did every type of treatment—chemo, radiation, hormone therapy, everything. She put up a strong fight for about 12 years. Shortly before she passed away, she was unfortunately offered expanded genetic testing for other genes linked to breast cancer. She did test positive for a mutation in her ATM gene, which was a pathogenic mutation and higher risk than the average ATM gene.
[01:15] She shared that with all of her children because we then had a 50% chance of inheriting that from her, so we had the option to also test for that mutation. A few months after she passed away, I decided to move forward with my own genetic testing and found out I was also a carrier of the same mutation. So, I had a 69% risk of breast cancer, a 5 to 10% risk of pancreatic cancer, and also a 2 to 3% risk of ovarian cancer.
[01:56] Because I was at high risk for these cancers, I started to follow the recommendations for more thorough and frequent screenings, which meant on top of mammograms, I was also doing breast MRI, alternating every six months. I started that process and also began considering different surgical options for preventative surgeries.
[02:20] During this time, my mammogram was normal, but my breast MRI showed an abnormality. We did some follow-up testing—ultrasound and diagnostic mammogram. At that time, they said that it did not look like cancer. I was nervous about that with my risk, so I followed up and had three specialists tell me that it was not cancer. They advised me to take my time, make my decisions, and move forward with the surgical plan that I had in place.
[03:01] So, I did that, but because it started to have a possibility of affecting the process of my surgery, I requested a biopsy. It came back two weeks before my preventative surgery and showed a diagnosis of breast cancer. It was a little bit of a shock. I went into my biopsy thinking, “Oh, I’m good. This is just a routine check to make sure it’s okay to move forward with my surgery in the order we had planned.” So, I was really surprised at the diagnosis, but I was grateful to have that plan in place already and that I wasn’t scrambling to make decisions.
[03:42] I had my first surgery, a double mastectomy with flap reconstruction, on January 30th of this year, followed by a second surgery in April. Luckily, I really believe that I owe this all to my mom and advances in genetics. I’m grateful every day for the fact that she did genetic testing because, to this day, at this point in time, I don’t think I would still have a diagnosis based on my screening schedule. I’m very grateful I was able to avoid chemotherapy and a lot of the other things that I watched her go through. I’m grateful for that every day. It saved my life.
[04:36] If you’re interested in doing genetic testing, the first step would be to talk to your medical provider. This can sometimes be your primary care provider, an OB-GYN, or any specialist in the field of cancer that you may or may not have a family history with. You’re going to want to request a hereditary cancer panel, which screens for somewhere around 79 different genes that are now linked to cancer. The first step would be to request that from your provider, and most of the time, they’ll recommend that you see a genetic counselor, which is a great idea in my opinion. They’re amazing and have the most up-to-date information on the different genes and the risks associated with each. They do a deep dive into your family history and then make recommendations for different testing.
[05:31] From that point, it has really changed my life. I have three little girls, and I just think how different it’s going to be for them and how much they can avoid. But when it comes down to choices for reconstruction, there are typically three main choices that are offered to patients or should be offered to patients. One of them is esthetic flat closure, the second one is breast implants, and the third is flat base reconstruction. Flat base reconstruction is one that’s a little less known. It was my choice, and rather than having an implant, they take tissue from a part of your body and basically transplant it with all the vessels and use that in place of the implant for your reconstruction.
[06:26] It’s pretty amazing the way that they do it, and there are different places that they can take the tissue from. One of the most common is the one that I chose called deep flap reconstruction. They take tissue from your abdomen and use that for the reconstruction. It’s a little bit of a longer surgery upfront, and it was a two-phase surgery for me. That’s very common for patients who choose this reconstruction option. It is around an eight-hour surgery usually, so a little longer.
[07:06] My advice to anyone who is facing these choices is that they’re very hard choices, right? They’re life-changing decisions that you have to make. Sometimes you aren’t given a lot of time, but the thing that I hope everyone understands is that there are different options out there. Regardless of what anyone else thinks—whether it’s your provider, your family members, or someone who has been through it—ultimately, it’s your decision, and it’s what you have to live with. It should be the choice that makes you feel the most at peace moving forward.
[07:50] I have a lot of patients who I talk to who get very frustrated because they were not offered all the options. That’s one of the reasons I like to share my story because even for me as a nurse, in the beginning, I did not have a clue that this was an option. My biggest advice would be to take your time. Even with a cancer diagnosis, you have time to make an informed decision. Consider all of your options and choose the one that makes you feel the most at peace moving forward.
[08:25] The recommendation for me, treatment-wise moving forward, was that I had a very low risk of recurrence. My Oncotype score was one out of 100, so no chemo was recommended. But I was hormone receptor-positive, HER2-negative. The recommendation for me was tamoxifen, and that would be over a five-year period. I am at this point only three months in, but very happy to say that my side effects have been very minimal so far. I know that can change, but so far, not bad—just a little bit of sleep disturbance and fatigue, but nothing that is not manageable.
[09:10] One of the things that my oncologist, who I love, recommended was making sure you exercise every day. That was going to make the biggest difference in my side effects on that medication, so he said, “Don’t stop.” So I increased it, and I’m going to keep doing that and hope for the best moving forward. I know that side effects can be really hard sometimes, and it’s always a hard choice. It was something that I never wanted to do, which is why I chose the preventative surgery. But here we are. Just try to make the best of it and take it day by day.
[09:52] I think I tend to carry stress well somehow, but after everything was finished, I felt this huge weight lifted off my shoulders. I remember saying to my husband, “I didn’t even realize how much I was carrying until I was done with the surgery part.” It’s a huge stressor, but I did try to do a few things during the last year as I was going through all of this that helped a lot.
[10:31] For me, I’m not necessarily a meditation person, but that is very helpful for a lot of people. For me, I have a swing on my back porch, and that’s kind of my space where I spend a lot of time. I guess it could be similar to meditation, but that was very helpful to me. I would just go out and have quiet—turn off the phone, have time to just kind of process things, and swing on my swing. Grounding is also really good.
[11:10] Having somebody to talk to is important. I’m very lucky. My husband is very supportive, and he listened to me. I’m an out-loud processor, so he listened as I made all these hard decisions and changed my mind 500 times. Just the back-and-forth, talking about all the things I’m learning about food—you have to have a person who is willing to listen and not necessarily give advice. That was very helpful.
[11:42] I’m also back to the exercise, but running is a huge stress relief for me. That was one of the things I also tried to focus on—making sure I was getting in running and doing some deep breathing.
[11:55] One of the biggest things that feels overwhelming to a lot of people who have just been diagnosed with cancer or are at high risk is, “What do I eat?” That was one of the first things that I said to my doctor, “What should I eat? Is there a specific diet that I should be on?” I talk to women every day who are asking the same questions. It is one of the most impactful things that we can do, but also one of the most overwhelming, especially if you’re trying to navigate all of these things being thrown at you with a new diagnosis and high-risk genes.
[12:34] I am in a Master’s of Medical Nutrition program right now, which I love. I get to focus a lot on the research with cancer prevention and all of the new studies that are coming out. I love it. I’m very passionate about it, but I will also say that there is no perfect plan. There’s no perfect diet that we can all do to prevent cancer, right? There’s no 100% guarantee with anything when it comes to cancer. It does what it wants.
[13:10] Some of the best recommendations I can give are to eat a lot of plants. One of the best things you can do is eat lots of fruits and vegetables. I think the recommendation is 5 or 6 servings. I try to go for 8 to 10 every day, which sounds like a lot, but once you start incorporating them and finding different ways to do it, there are so many things—fruits, vegetables, nuts, legumes, whole grains—that have so many benefits for cancer and trying to prevent cancer and reduce your risk as much as possible.
[13:47] The reason that I like to share this kind of information is because, for me personally, moving from this place of overwhelm and trying to navigate everything into a space where I felt more empowered was huge for me. I remember thinking, “I’m a nurse, and how much of this did I not know from the start, and how much have I had to learn?” I felt very fortunate to have access to a lot of courses and certifications that not everyone has.
[14:26] I feel like I owe my life to my mom and genetic testing, and I would be in a very different place without that. After I went through all of this, I felt this huge responsibility to share with others because I know there are so many people who could benefit from this information. Even if it makes a difference for one person or helps one person feel more empowered in their decision-making and informed about the options that are available, even genetic testing—if it helps one person or prevents one cancer diagnosis—it’s totally worth it.
[15:12] No matter what phase you’re going through, it’s scary, and it’s overwhelming. Whether you have been diagnosed with cancer already or are a provider who is just starting out on your journey, just know that it’s not always going to feel like it feels right now.
Interviewed by: Alexis Moberger Edited by: Chris Sanchez
Laura survived stage 4 kidney cancer.
Originally from south Louisiana, Laura now lives in Southern California. She splits her time between working full time in marketing in the gaming and hospitality industry, being a kidney cancer patient advocate, enjoying her sports and hobbies, and caring for her family.
Laura had been struggling with her health for at least two years before her symptoms were properly diagnosed as cancer. She suffered from elevated blood pressure and fatigue so significant that she would sometimes have to nap in her car during lunch breaks, and was also found to have a very high red blood cell count. But the doctors she would consult chalked her symptoms up to lack of sleep, stress due to her demanding job, excess weight, and so on.
Later on, Laura’s health took a turn for the worse. She started to experience back pain so bad that she sometimes had a hard time walking, and her legs became so swollen that she was unable to wear pants to a dinner out to celebrate her 29th birthday. She returned to the doctors, who started taking a closer look at her symptoms and ordered more procedures.
Blood work uncovered kidney issues. Her doctor told her to have a CT scan done that week, but she decided to take immediate action. That very night, just 5 days after her 29th birthday, she went to the emergency room. It was a pivotal and timely decision: the doctors discovered that she had stage 4 cancer and a massive 13cm tumor on her right kidney. The doctors also found that this tumor was what was causing her legs to swell, because it was blocking her vena cava–the main artery bringing blood back up to the heart from the lower parts of the body–making immediate treatment even more urgent. Laura was also diagnosed with the rare genetic disorder, hereditary leiomyomatosis and renal cell cancer (HLRCC), or Reed’s Syndrome.
Laura’s ER surgeon, a kidney cancer survivor himself, connected her with the UCLA-based surgeon who had operated on him years ago, and she ended up heading there for surgery. During a 5-hour session, the surgical team removed her right kidney, right adrenal gland, most of her inferior vena cava, and 7 lymph nodes. However, a checkup some weeks later revealed that the cancer was not only still present but had also spread to her lungs, liver, and nearly all the lymph nodes in her chest.
Laura started seeing another doctor in Las Vegas, who recommended that she take part in the S1500 PAPMET randomized clinical trial organized by the global cancer research community, SWOG Cancer Research Network. After some deliberation, she decided to join the trial, where she ended up taking the targeted therapy drug Cabometyx (cabozantinib).
The side effects of cabozantinib were crippling. But just a year after Laura started taking it, she was found to be in complete remission. Out of 147 patients who joined the trial, she was 1 of only 2 who had had a complete response to their treatment.
Laura continues to be healthy to this day; she undergoes scans every six months, and to date her status continues to be “NED” (no visible evidence of disease). But not only is she enjoying her life once again, she is also now a patient advocate, and actually works with the very doctors who concluded the clinical trial she joined.
Laura is sharing her story with us to show that a Stage 4 diagnosis does not have to be a reason to give up hope; to exhort cancer patients to advocate for themselves as a lifelong responsibility; and to urge them to get to know both their bodies and their disease, in order to be able to make the best possible choices for themselves.
In addition to Laura’s narrative, The Patient Story offers a diverse collection of stories about kidney cancer. These empowering stories provide real-life experiences, valuable insights, and perspectives on symptoms, diagnosis, and treatment options for cancer.
Name: Laura E.
Diagnosis:
Genetic condition: hereditary leiomyomatosis and renal cell cancer (HLRCC) (Reed’s Syndrome)
Type 2 metastatic papillary renal cell carcinoma
Staging:
Stage 4
Initial Symptoms:
Profound fatigue
Hypertension
High red blood cell count
Severe back pain
Badly swollen legs
Treatment:
Cabometyx (cabozantinib) assigned under S1500 PAPMET clinical trial
This interview has been edited for clarity. This is not medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider for treatment decisions.
I’m not the same person I was before I was diagnosed. There’s no way I could be.
I definitely look at life differently now…
I try my best to live as authentically as possible. Because I know time is a gift.
Introduction
I am 36 years old. I live in Southern California, and I’m originally from outside of Baton Rouge, in the south of Louisiana.
I’m a proud graduate of Louisiana State University, where I got a bachelors and masters from National University. I’ve been working in marketing in the gaming and hospitality industry for over a decade now. Just busy with my family when I’m not at work.
I also like to read and do Zumba and watch global reality TV. I’m actually am part of an all women’s Mardi Gras krewe; I ride in a parade in New Orleans every year and it’s one of my favorite things to do. I just rode earlier this year and I’m already ready for next year.
Pre-Diagnosis
I was having symptoms of my kidney cancer probably two years before I was officially diagnosed.
I had horrible fatigue and was actually going to my car in my lunch breaks to sleep. My blood work was really off. I would go get my blood work done and there would be this one level that I was like, why is it off? And actually had a doctor tell me, oh, if something was really wrong, it would be like hundreds off the charts.
My blood pressure was high, too. I talked to my primary care doctor and she said, well, hypertension runs in your family. And I said, I know, but I’m in my 20s. It’s usually people in their 40s and 50s in my family that have hypertension.
Everyone just kept telling me, lose weight, get more sleep, reduce your stress. And at the time I was working in marketing for a casino corporation that has multiple properties across the country. I was the marketing manager over three of their properties on the strip. And so I thought, okay, well, I probably am stressed.
You know, I was working a lot of hours and, and had a lot of responsibilities. My kids were in middle school at the time or late elementary school. And so I just thought that’s kind of how things were. And then it was about six months before my diagnosis.
Diagnosis: Type 2 metastatic papillary renal cell carcinoma
I went to get another biometric screening done, and they almost called an ambulance because my blood pressure was so high.
So I went to my primary care doctor. But she again said, lose weight, reduce your stress. I ran my blood work and my red blood cell count came back really high, which I later found out is an indicator of kidney cancer. But the doctor said, oh, you probably just had an infection or something.
I felt like a hypochondriac at that point. These are all specialists. These are all doctors. They know what they’re doing, who am I to question it? So that was December.
And then one day in May, ten days before my birthday, I woke up and I just had the most horrific back pain I’ve ever had in my life.
I was honestly struggling to walk. It felt like I was a puppet and someone was just pulling the strings, you know?
And so I went to urgent care because my primary care couldn’t get me in. But it was more of the same. They said, yeah, you probably pulled a muscle here. I was given some muscle relaxers. Of course, they didn’t work.
It progressed to the point that a few days later, for my birthday, we went out to dinner and I couldn’t even put pants on. I had to wear a dress because my legs were really swollen.
So my mom was in town at the time and I didn’t want to freak her out, so I waited until she left town a few days later to go to my primary care. And when I went there, the doctors did more blood work and said, something’s wrong with your kidneys. I’m going to send you for a CT scan. Go get it done within the week.
But I was really feeling that it couldn’t wait. Thankfully I didn’t listen. I went to the ER that very night after work.
The ER doctor diagnosed me with a 13 centimeter tumor on my right kidney and told me I needed to have surgery as soon as possible. He told me to go to a specialty hospital, not to just let any surgeon operate on me, which now that I know so much more about my disease than I did at the time, I realized it’s because it was a very complicated surgery they had to do.
And that was five days after my 29th birthday. I know my outcome would have most likely been very dramatically different had I not gone to the ER that night.
I was also diagnosed with a rare genetic disorder, known as hereditary leiomyomatosis and renal cell cancer (HLRCC), or Reed’s Syndrome.
Reaction to the Diagnosis
It took forever for me to get diagnosed, but once I did, everything lined up into place.
I think I just kind of shut down mentally after the ER doctor said, you have cancer. And I really struggled to process it. I almost felt for a minute there like if I said it out loud, it made it real, you know? I’m a very logical person, but it was hard to process.
I remember we got home from the emergency room, early the next morning because I had been there all night. I had to call my boss. It was a work day; I actually had a presentation that I was supposed to be giving that day. And so I’m thinking, oh my gosh, I have to call my boss and tell him I have cancer. And I actually sat in my chair in my living room and was practicing saying, “I have cancer” before I called him. I was trying to: one, make my experience a reality and, two, keep myself from crying while I’m telling him this. It just felt like a bad dream, honestly. It didn’t even feel real.
And there was about a month between my diagnosis and my surgery, and I was in terrible pain the whole month. You know, I just wanted to sleep and just not think about what was happening. So it took me a while, even after my surgery, to really come to terms with what was happening.
And I remember distinctly after my surgery, I was in ICU for, I think, about five days. And then they moved me to a regular room, and it was there that I finally went, I should probably look at my gown and see my doctors. I hadn’t even done that at that point. I think that was the moment that it really hit me, like, oh my God, my life is never going to be the same again. Like I knew that cognitively. But that was my emotional process. This isn’t just “I have surgery and I’m done with it and I move on with my life.” This is forever going to be something that I am now identifying as a cancer patient and cancer survivor.
It’s frustrating whenever I look back, because I know that at the time of my diagnosis, I had to have had cancer for at least a year, probably two plus. And the idea that had I not been diagnosed at stage four, I could have just had surgery and been done with it, I wouldn’t have reached a point where I’m being diagnosed with a terminal phase of this disease. It’s pretty heartbreaking and it’s really frustrating.
I went back and talked to my primary care doctor a few months after I was diagnosed. Obviously, I’d switched doctors at that point. But I talked to to her and the head of the clinic and I said, look, I know that you will probably never see another case like mine again, but, you know, there’s this phrase with rare cancer patients that they tell doctors at medical school to look for horses when you hear hoofprints, not zebras. And I’m a zebra.
Look, you’re going to go on and treat other patients. And you may never see another case like mine again, statistically speaking, but it doesn’t mean that you don’t have to see other cases that aren’t rare on their own. And I think that we are conditioned a lot of times, especially as women, to just accept diagnoses, if you’re telling me nothing’s wrong, nothing’s wrong, and I’m just going to believe that. But we know our bodies.
I really encourage people to trust their instincts when it comes to their health. You know your body best, you know if something’s wrong with you.
And I really wish I would have just kept listening to that little voice that I had in my head. You know, in my heart that said, Laura, something’s wrong.
I’m glad that I finally did, because that’s what encouraged me to go to the ER that night.
Surgery
The ER doctor told me that he’d already contacted a local urologist in Las Vegas, where I was living at the time, and that the urologist was going to help me get to either USC or UCLA in California for surgery. The ER doctor was very adamant that I needed to go to California for surgery.
I’m now realizing how extensive the tumor was. It’s not just that it’s 13cm, which is very large for a kidney tumor, but it was also blocking my vena cava, which is your main artery that brings your blood back up to your heart from your legs and all. Which is why my legs were so swollen. And so that’s a life threatening condition, which I’m glad I didn’t know at the time because I probably would have just completely shut down at that point.
I realize now that’s why the ER doctor was so insistent that he needed to go to California for surgery. And so the next morning we went to the urologist in Vegas, and he said there was one surgeon in town who may be willing to take your case. Didn’t want that. But he said, if you go to California, I’ll get you in at UCLA.
The doctor added, actually, I was you seven years ago, with kidney cancer. And if you go to UCLA, I will send you to the surgeon who operated on me. And sure enough, he did. He actually walked out of the exam room and called the surgeon on his cell phone and said, I’m sending you a patient from Vegas. And so I got into UCLA.
They did a phenomenal job with my surgery. I was incredibly lucky. I had two amazing surgeons and it was a five and half hour surgery, and they removed my right kidney, my right adrenal gland, most of my inferior vena cava, and seven lymph nodes. And we were hopeful that they’d removed all the cancer. And maybe I would need to do immunotherapy afterwards to keep it from coming back. So that was in June.
Cancer metastasized
But when I had my first scans in August, the cancer was spreading like wildfire.
And so at that point, the cancer was in my lungs and my liver and pretty much all the lymph nodes throughout my chest.
And the doctor at UCLA said, I could put you on this one treatment.
Again, I would just go back to if something doesn’t feel right, listen to your body.
I think even as cancer survivors, we tend to dismiss things sometimes, and so even if you’re in your cancer journey or you’re a survivor, you have to.
It’s advocating for yourself as a lifelong responsibility.
Treatment
Treatment Options
The doctor said, I don’t know if it’s going to work for you. I think you probably should look into clinical trials, but if you do that, you’re going to have to come back and forth a lot. And I know that’s going to be kind of a burden for you to do that. So there’s a doctor in Vegas who is a specialist in kidney cancer, and I would recommend you go see her.
And I was really nervous about switching my care back to Vegas because of the experiences I had before, obviously. I actually had debates with my family and friends on whether I was making the right decision to move my care from UCLA? And I said, you know what? I’m going to go ahead and try it.
And I wound up with the most wonderful oncologist, who, again, was a GU, a kidney cancer specialist named Doctor Vogelzang. And at the first appointment, he sat me down and said, look, here’s what you have. He was the first doctor to explain to me what specific type of kidney cancer I had, answered all my questions, said, I have these treatment options lined up for you. There were all clinical trials because at the time there was no standard of care for the type of kidney cancer I had.
And so he said, here’s the one I think is the best option for you. There were three other ones that he had lined up. And then he said, look, I’ll even do chemo if I have to. Chemo isn’t usually used for kidney cancer patients. But I was so young that he just was like, I’ll do whatever I can to try to give you as much time as we can.
So he explained the first trial and he said it’s four different types of treatments. It’s a randomized trial. I can’t promise you which one that you’ll get. We have no control over that. But there is one treatment on this trial that I think would be your best bet. He said, look, think about it. Let me know what you think in your next appointment, what you want to do.
Decision to Join a Clinical Trial
And I decided to join the clinical trial. The clinical trial that I was on was sponsored by a group called SWOG.
Even now people say to me, oh, that was so brave of you to choose a clinical trial. And I recognize now that it was a brave decision to do a clinical trial. And I’m really proud of my decision to do that. But at the time, it just felt like, what choice do I have? I have terrible choices to make. And, if I make the wrong decision, that’s my life in the balance. That’s how it felt.
I also remember having this conversation with a close friend on my next steps. I said, look, the doctor I met with in Vegas is saying he doesn’t think the treatment that UCLA recommended is going to work for me. And let’s be honest, I’m dying anyway.
So maybe this is a Hail Mary. Maybe this will help me to live a few years. My goal at the time was to see my kids graduate high school. But if not, at least I’ll be doing something that will help other patients at some point. And so that’s why I decided to do the trial.
Cabometyx (cabozantinib)
And I remember when they randomized my treatment. My doctor said, oh my gosh, you hit the jackpot. This is the drug I wanted you in. It was a drug called cabozantinib.
And, at the time, I didn’t know what that was. I thought I was going to be doing immunotherapy, which I’m now embarrassed to admit because I know the differences between the drugs now.
And so I’m like, I can’t believe I thought I was doing immunotherapy because I just didn’t know the difference. It was a targeted therapy drug. And I started it and I was just terrified. And of course, my doctor explained the side effects and I’m going like, wait, what’s going to happen to me?
But again, I was like, what choice do I have? I mean, I can’t die now. I knew at that point that I had no more than a year and I would be lucky if I had another year.
And so I actually pulled my kids out of school for my first day of taking my pills. They needed a mental health day anyway, I’m sure, they had been watching me go through this all summer. And so I brought them to this little hotel outside of Vegas. And they have a really nice pool and all and then I’m sitting here thinking gosh, this is probably dumb. What if I take the first pill and I have this terrible reaction and then my kids are, you know, even more scarred, because mom had to go rushing to the E.R., which thankfully didn’t happen.
Side Effects
The side effects of cabozantinib were rough, to say the least.
What’s hard about being a cancer patient who’s doing one of these newer forms of treatments, like targeted therapy or immunotherapy, is you don’t typically have the same outward side effects that people recognize, whether they think of cancer patients.
I didn’t lose my hair, but it actually turned white. That’s one of the typical side effects from this type of treatment. And that was heartbreaking for me because I’m 29, 30 years old. My hair is going white; even my eyebrows went white. And it’s just all those things that you try to tell yourself, okay, the prize is I live longer and it’s true. It worked for me. I don’t regret it for a second. I would do it all over again in a heartbeat. But, you know, it does a number on you. It changes who you are.
I always say, kidney cancer helped me take the best pictures of myself that I ever took, which is terrible. I mean, I lost an unhealthy amount of weight. Honestly, looking back at pictures now is honestly kind of painful because I go, oh my gosh, I looked sicker than I realized I did
And because you don’t look like people expect a cancer patient to look, when I got back to work and all, they’d go, you’re doing great now, right? And like, no, I threw up three times before I left the house and had to drag myself out of bed because I was so fatigued and also, these targeted therapy drugs actually create a lot of GI issues. You get horrible diarrhea.
I recall standing in the grocery store aisle like about six months into my treatment, trying to pick out what adult diapers I was going to wear. I’m 30 and I’m buying adult diapers. And then I go to check out, I’m thinking, oh my gosh, this woman’s going to know, right? And she probably thought I was buying it for a grandparent or a parent or something.
You get all these side effects like it’s almost shameful to talk about. Your body is crumbling. And, again, it’s things that with traditional treatment you don’t always encounter. And of course, the side effects from traditional treatment are also horrible, too.
… if something isn’t sitting right with you even once you’re diagnosed, you know, if your doctor is telling you, oh, you should do this and something’s just not sitting right, get a second opinion. Get a third opinion if you need to.
You have to feel comfortable with your care.
NED Status
I reached NED within a year of starting Cabometyx, which is, like, insane. Incredibly hard to come across, to say the least.
I had a very rare response where I was 1 of only 2 of the 147 patients who had a complete response to treatment.
I wound up staying on Cabometyx for another about three years, because we just didn’t know what was going to happen after I had that first med scan. And so in 2020, my oncologist said, look, I think the side effects will kill you before the cancer does. Let’s see how you do coming off of it, which was terrifying because at that point it was my security blanket, right?
But I did successfully transition off Cabometyx. I stopped treatment in April of 2020, and now I have scans every six months. And thankfully I have had NED scans ever since. I just had a scan last January: I’m still NED. So I’m really, really fortunate.
And now I’m actually a patient advocate for the GU committee. And so I’m now actually working with the doctors that concluded the trial that I was on that saved my life.
So it’s honestly one of the most meaningful things that I do in my advocacy work, because it’s just a complete full circle.
Knowledge is power in every sense of the word.
You are a better patient if you are knowledgeable about your disease.
Words of Advice
I really encourage people to trust their instincts when it comes to their health. You know your body best, you know if something’s wrong with you. And I really wish I would have just kept listening to that little voice that I had in my head. You know, in my heart that said, Laura, something’s wrong. I’m glad that I finally did, because that’s what encouraged me to go to the ER that night.
Again, I would just go back to if something doesn’t feel right, listen to your body. I think even as cancer survivors, we tend to dismiss things sometimes, and so even if you’re in your cancer journey or you’re a survivor, you have to. It’s advocating for yourself as a lifelong responsibility.
And, you know, I’ve had the unfortunate gift of being not just a patient, but also a caregiver to my mom who passed away five years ago from complications of kidney cancer and lymphoma.
Also, I really encourage you, especially if you’re a younger patient who has a rare cancer, get genetic testing done. I encourage my family members to get genetic testing done, and receive their carrier for it as well.
And I always encourage anyone who has any kind of outliers in their health history that would indicate maybe they could benefit from genetic testing to take the tests. I know it’s scary to have a genetic disorder diagnosed, but I really wish I would have had the opportunity to know I had my disorder before I had cancer.
Knowledge is power in every sense of the word. You are a better patient if you are knowledgeable about your disease, which is what I really try to encourage patients and caregivers to do, to understand their disease.
And also, if something isn’t sitting right with you even once you’re diagnosed, you know, if your doctor is telling you, oh, you should do this and something’s just not sitting right, get a second opinion. Get a third opinion if you need to. You have to feel comfortable with your care. And if you’re not, you know it.
So you’re the best person that’s most knowledgeable about yourself, your body. Honor that in all the ways.
Symptoms: None; found the cancers during CAT scans for internal bleeding due to ulcers Treatment: Chemotherapy (capecitabine + temozolomide), surgery (distal pancreatectomy, to be scheduled)
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Cancer details: Also known as urothelial (invasive), 5-10% of kidney cancers 1st Symptoms: Blood in urine Treatment: Nephrectomy (surgical removal of kidney and ureter)
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Symptoms: Persistent left flank pain, backache, fatigue, weight loss, traces of blood in urine, fluid in left kidney Treatment: Chemotherapy (gemcitabine & carboplatin)
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Cancer genetics: hereditary leiomyomatosis and renal cell cancer (HLRCC) (Reed’s Syndrome) 1st symptoms: profound fatigue, hypertension, high red blood cell count, severe back pain, badly swollen legs Treatment: Cabometyx (cabozantinib) assigned under S1500 PAPMET clinical trial
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